Re: OFFICERS will fly to Portugal next week to interview the suspects over the disappearance of Maddie in 2007.

by margaret 16.12.14 16:23

woodforthetrees wrote:
My biggest bugbear with the hire car is...how did they manage to transfer her into the boot of the car then dispose of her without anybody seeing? They were being watched 24-7.

Just playing devils advocate here and trying to get things clear in my head, so please don't shout

I disagree with that, there were times they asked to be left alone and were. They had PR guru Mitchell so if the press wanted photographs they used to stage little photo opportunities, like the Punch and Judy ones, the beach ones.

Also they did loads of mileage in that car it was impossible to be watched and followed 24/7.

by woodforthetrees 16.12.14 16:24

PeterMac wrote:
woodforthetrees wrote:
My biggest bugbear with the hire car is...how did they manage to transfer her into the boot of the car then dispose of her without anybody seeing? They were being watched 24-7.
Just playing devils advocate here and trying to get things clear in my head, so please don't shout :

They didn't need to transfer her into the boot of the car. The blue bag might have been enough.
The bag that was in the wardrobe in exactly the spot indicated by one of the dogs.
If the blue bag had been used to remove her, and then put back on the shelf, and then at a later stage put into the boot of car, that might have been enough.
They then realise is is beginning to smell, and is perhaps stained . . . so they ditch it, and Mitchell denies there ever was a blue bag - which proves to the world beyond a reasonable doubt that there had been.
Madeleine had been disposed of several weeks before - probably during the afternoon of the 3rd, when everyone else was got rid of, Tapas group to the Paraiso bar, Kate on a run, and Gerry had his Achilles Tendon injury - which thanks to the intervention of The Blessed Katherine of the Multiple Immaculate Conceptions spontaneously healed by tea time.

He has several hours to hump a blue tennis bag round a resort bristling with tennis courts, whilst wearing tennis gear. In full sight he would be invisible.

Or not, as the case may be, of course !

I tend to agreed with that theory to PeterMac, i'm just struggling to see how/why OG are not on the same page...

So, there is evidence in the police files about the blue bag (i have seen the photo) and it has been questioned.... if SY agreed with this evidence then it would eliminate tannerman, smithman and the whole raft of dodgy suspects. But yet OG continue to look for witnesses, suspects etc anywhere but the McCanns.

This to me seems very odd, almost like there is more evidence to back up their paedo abductor theory in the police files that haven't been released.

by woodforthetrees 16.12.14 16:32

Joss wrote:
woodforthetrees wrote:
Joss wrote:And did the killer paedophile who removed Madeleine from the apartment then store her in the McCann renault scenic some 25 or so days after that to leave decomp. evidence in the trunk of the car? And that after he left that same evidence in the McC apartment as well? Sounds like a legit story, NOT.

This is the bit that always swings me back around to the perp being MrMc, but.... as with the apartment cadaver, there is no concrete evidence to say it is Madeleine. If they knew 100% that the tissue was Madeleine's and it was decomposed, then they would not be walking around freely now.

What would be great is if new DNA testing were able to prove that hairs/tissue in the boot of the car was from a deceased Madeleine, but until there is, it's inconclusive :-(

My biggest bugbear with the hire car is...how did they manage to transfer her into the boot of the car then dispose of her without anybody seeing? They were being watched 24-7.

Just playing devils advocate here and trying to get things clear in my head, so please don't shout
If the cadaver evidence alerted to by the dogs in the apartment was not from Madeleine then who did it belong to? No one else had died in that apartment to my knowledge in this case?
I think the DNA evidence did point to it being from Madeleine if i recall correctly.
I'm not sure by that stage if the McC's were being watched 24/7, it was a few weeks after the initial disappearance of the child.
I really don't know exactly how or when they would of transferred Madeleine, and only the perp/s would know that.
And no, i don't shout at people, :flower:

This is what is unknown.... who died in the apartment. Unless they can account for every single person who has been in the apartment and the hire car, then it cannot be said it is Madeleine.

From memory, the tissue/hairs/DNA in the boot wasn't confirmed from a deceased Madeleine and was said to have come from having items of hers in the boot, but i'll go back and read again. It was from Madeleine, but nor necessarily a deceased Madeleine.

The McCanns were surrounded the majority of the time by Portuguese police/Uk police, and/or special forces/ victim support people, Mark Warner staff, friends, family and also under the watchful eye of the worlds media from day 1, so they didn't have much time to do anything..

by tiny 16.12.14 16:49

I don't think the mccanns were watched 24/7.

by margaret 16.12.14 16:49

woodforthetrees wrote:
I tend to agreed with that theory to PeterMac, i'm just struggling to see how/why OG are not on the same page...
So, there is evidence in the police files about the blue bag (i have seen the photo) and it has been questioned.... if SY agreed with this evidence then it would eliminate tannerman, smithman and the whole raft of dodgy suspects. But yet OG continue to look for witnesses, suspects etc anywhere but the McCanns.

This to me seems very odd, almost like there is more evidence to back up their paedo abductor theory in the police files that haven't been released.

But how go you know OG isn't on the same page? To me (and I don't believe in a whitewash) it looks like those questioned are being ruled out OR? Those who have failed to rule themselves out I.e not assist the police should be worried.

by Casey5 16.12.14 16:52

woodforthetrees:-
The McCanns were surrounded the majority of the time by Portuguese police/Uk police, and/or special forces/ victim support people, Mark Warner staff, friends, family and also under the watchful eye of the worlds media from day 1, so they didn't have much time to do anything..
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No they weren't. They had scheduled meetings with the Portuguese and English liaison teams. Their family/friends were in charge of looking after the twins and preparing meals after shopping etc. and the media left them alone in exchange for the photo shoots of the McCanns with the twins and the pensive beach shots complete with cuddle cat.They weren't followed by hoards of media when they went to Spain either.

by ScarletLaw 16.12.14 17:08

woodforthetrees wrote:
PeterMac wrote:
woodforthetrees wrote:
My biggest bugbear with the hire car is...how did they manage to transfer her into the boot of the car then dispose of her without anybody seeing? They were being watched 24-7.
Just playing devils advocate here and trying to get things clear in my head, so please don't shout :

They didn't need to transfer her into the boot of the car. The blue bag might have been enough.
The bag that was in the wardrobe in exactly the spot indicated by one of the dogs.
If the blue bag had been used to remove her, and then put back on the shelf, and then at a later stage put into the boot of car, that might have been enough.
They then realise is is beginning to smell, and is perhaps stained . . . so they ditch it, and Mitchell denies there ever was a blue bag - which proves to the world beyond a reasonable doubt that there had been.
Madeleine had been disposed of several weeks before - probably during the afternoon of the 3rd, when everyone else was got rid of, Tapas group to the Paraiso bar, Kate on a run, and Gerry had his Achilles Tendon injury - which thanks to the intervention of The Blessed Katherine of the Multiple Immaculate Conceptions spontaneously healed by tea time.

He has several hours to hump a blue tennis bag round a resort bristling with tennis courts, whilst wearing tennis gear. In full sight he would be invisible.

Or not, as the case may be, of course !

I tend to agreed with that theory to PeterMac, i'm just struggling to see how/why OG are not on the same page...

So, there is evidence in the police files about the blue bag (i have seen the photo) and it has been questioned.... if SY agreed with this evidence then it would eliminate tannerman, smithman and the whole raft of dodgy suspects. But yet OG continue to look for witnesses, suspects etc anywhere but the McCanns.

This to me seems very odd, almost like there is more evidence to back up their paedo abductor theory in the police files that haven't been released.

I'm new btw, but I feel if a bag was used then the body would be stored there throughout and unlikely to be removed again. Also a body would stiffen after a few hours and this would make it difficult to lift because the joints would stiffen and become rigid. Hence my own theory about what happened was late in the evening if the Smith sighting was Gerry. This blue bag is the only thing I haven't been able to clarify for definite because in some of the pictures I've seen they show a travel bag?

by AlexBG 16.12.14 19:36

PeterMac wrote:They didn't need to transfer her into the boot of the car. The blue bag might have been enough.
The bag that was in the wardrobe in exactly the spot indicated by one of the dogs.
If the blue bag had been used to remove her, and then put back on the shelf, and then at a later stage put into the boot of car, that might have been enough.
They then realise is is beginning to smell, and is perhaps stained . . . so they ditch it, and Mitchell denies there ever was a blue bag - which proves to the world beyond a reasonable doubt that there had been.
Madeleine had been disposed of several weeks before - probably during the afternoon of the 3rd

That view isn't shared by Amaral, who implies in a 2009 interview that he believes the body itself was transferred into the boot of the car:

Q: Do you think the body was refrigerated?
A: Yes. The bodily fluid in the car show that. If the body had been buried there would have been mummification. The fact that there were fluids points to refrigeration.

If you think about it logically, had they used the bag to transport the body to a final resting place on or before 3rd May, chances are they'd have subsequently either got rid of the bag ASAP, or cleaned it very thoroughly in the vain hope of removing all forensic evidence. The former option is arguably both faster and safer.
If the body was indeed transferred into the boot of the hire car at a later date, the bag was perhaps only used to transport it at that point, assuming it was ever used at all.

In response to a comment made by woodforthetrees, if you consider, for example, the fact that the PJ were only alerted to the "open car boot" issue by the observations of a neighbour, the McCs evidently weren't being watched 24/7 after 3rd May.

In response to Joss' comment regarding possible past deaths in the apartment, Amaral states during the above-mentioned interview that:

...from the inquiry we know that before the 3rd of May nobody died in the apartment, nor in the car.

by Praiaaa 16.12.14 19:49

AlexBG wrote:
If you think about it logically, had they used the bag to transport the body to a final resting place on or before 3rd May, chances are they'd have subsequently either got rid of the bag ASAP, or cleaned it very thoroughly in the vain hope of removing all forensic evidence. The former option is arguably both faster and safer.

Indeed! Can think of no reason for retaining a contaminated bag - and in any case, much easier to dispose of a bag than a body!

by stillsloppingout 16.12.14 22:10

tiny wrote:I don't think the mccanns were watched 24/7.

I can categorically confirm they were not .
i have mentioned this many times . I knew a few snappers over there at the time . Photo call then back to the bars and cafes everybody at the time initially thaught it was really a missing child case .respect was asked for and granted .They were only papped once if i can recall the shots on the rocks .
They were NEVER FOLLOWED.

by joyce1938 16.12.14 22:53

I think I saw a theory about hairs found in car ,and if were tested again with more information now available could be found if from a dead person or alive ,something to do with roots of hair ,hard last time because the hairs need to have bulb of root , so maybe the tests maybe retested 7 years later ? does anyone else recall this ?maybe possible to tell DNA from the hairs they have still got ,with no roots intact ? joyce1938

by ScarletLaw 16.12.14 22:59

I know the McCanns were going out for night walks on their own early on, which I initially thought was looking for daughter. But then I saw an interview on camera where her mum said that she hadn't actually searched?? Which I thought was strange. Odd behaviour to be out for hours but not searching.

by Joss 17.12.14 4:08

woodforthetrees wrote:
Joss wrote:
woodforthetrees wrote:
Joss wrote:And did the killer paedophile who removed Madeleine from the apartment then store her in the McCann renault scenic some 25 or so days after that to leave decomp. evidence in the trunk of the car? And that after he left that same evidence in the McC apartment as well? Sounds like a legit story, NOT.

This is the bit that always swings me back around to the perp being MrMc, but.... as with the apartment cadaver, there is no concrete evidence to say it is Madeleine. If they knew 100% that the tissue was Madeleine's and it was decomposed, then they would not be walking around freely now.

What would be great is if new DNA testing were able to prove that hairs/tissue in the boot of the car was from a deceased Madeleine, but until there is, it's inconclusive :-(

My biggest bugbear with the hire car is...how did they manage to transfer her into the boot of the car then dispose of her without anybody seeing? They were being watched 24-7.

Just playing devils advocate here and trying to get things clear in my head, so please don't shout
If the cadaver evidence alerted to by the dogs in the apartment was not from Madeleine then who did it belong to? No one else had died in that apartment to my knowledge in this case?
I think the DNA evidence did point to it being from Madeleine if i recall correctly.
I'm not sure by that stage if the McC's were being watched 24/7, it was a few weeks after the initial disappearance of the child.
I really don't know exactly how or when they would of transferred Madeleine, and only the perp/s would know that.
And no, i don't shout at people, :flower:

This is what is unknown.... who died in the apartment. Unless they can account for every single person who has been in the apartment and the hire car, then it cannot be said it is Madeleine.

From memory, the tissue/hairs/DNA in the boot wasn't confirmed from a deceased Madeleine and was said to have come from having items of hers in the boot, but i'll go back and read again. It was from Madeleine, but nor necessarily a deceased Madeleine.

The McCanns were surrounded the majority of the time by Portuguese police/Uk police, and/or special forces/ victim support people, Mark Warner staff, friends, family and also under the watchful eye of the worlds media from day 1, so they didn't have much time to do anything..

Letter dated 11 September regarding FSS report received by PJ
on on 4 September from Leicester Police, citing 15/19 matches of Madeleine DNA
profile

This serves to add [to the case file] a laboratory examination report prepared
in England, written in English and translated into Portuguese, delivered to this
police force on 4 September 2007 by English police officer Stuart Prior.

This laboratory report tells about the examinations made of two trace evidence
recoveries, one behind the living room sofa in apartment 5A and the other in the
boot area of the vehicle used by the McCann family, hired [by them] from the end of May this year.

In some of these recoveries (samples) DNA was found whose components are also
found in the profile of Madeleine McCann.

With respect to the trace evidence recovered behind the sofa all the confirmed
DNA components coincide with corresponding components in the DNA profile of
Madeleine McCann.

In the sample collected in the boot area of the vehicle, 15 of the identified
DNA components coincide with the corresponding components in the DNA profile of
Madeleine McCann, this of [having] 19 components.
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by Joss 17.12.14 4:12

ScarletLaw wrote:
woodforthetrees wrote:
PeterMac wrote:
woodforthetrees wrote:
My biggest bugbear with the hire car is...how did they manage to transfer her into the boot of the car then dispose of her without anybody seeing? They were being watched 24-7.
Just playing devils advocate here and trying to get things clear in my head, so please don't shout :

They didn't need to transfer her into the boot of the car. The blue bag might have been enough.
The bag that was in the wardrobe in exactly the spot indicated by one of the dogs.
If the blue bag had been used to remove her, and then put back on the shelf, and then at a later stage put into the boot of car, that might have been enough.
They then realise is is beginning to smell, and is perhaps stained . . . so they ditch it, and Mitchell denies there ever was a blue bag - which proves to the world beyond a reasonable doubt that there had been.
Madeleine had been disposed of several weeks before - probably during the afternoon of the 3rd, when everyone else was got rid of, Tapas group to the Paraiso bar, Kate on a run, and Gerry had his Achilles Tendon injury - which thanks to the intervention of The Blessed Katherine of the Multiple Immaculate Conceptions spontaneously healed by tea time.

He has several hours to hump a blue tennis bag round a resort bristling with tennis courts, whilst wearing tennis gear. In full sight he would be invisible.

Or not, as the case may be, of course !

I tend to agreed with that theory to PeterMac, i'm just struggling to see how/why OG are not on the same page...

So, there is evidence in the police files about the blue bag (i have seen the photo) and it has been questioned.... if SY agreed with this evidence then it would eliminate tannerman, smithman and the whole raft of dodgy suspects. But yet OG continue to look for witnesses, suspects etc anywhere but the McCanns.

This to me seems very odd, almost like there is more evidence to back up their paedo abductor theory in the police files that haven't been released.

I'm new btw, but I feel if a bag was used then the body would be stored there throughout and unlikely to be removed again. Also a body would stiffen after a few hours and this would make it difficult to lift because the joints would stiffen and become rigid. Hence my own theory about what happened was late in the evening if the Smith sighting was Gerry. This blue bag is the only thing I haven't been able to clarify for definite because in some of the pictures I've seen they show a travel bag?

Madeleine was only 3 almost 4 yrs. old, and i believe from what i have read she was small for her age, so i don't think her disposal would have posed too much of a problem for an adult.

by NickE 17.12.14 8:45

Tweet from METpolice this morning:
Commissioner on @LBC973 re the search for Madeleine McCann: The parents want certainty… we are doing our best to help with that"

Are they a bit shaky
..or?

by woodforthetrees 17.12.14 8:58

Joss wrote:
woodforthetrees wrote:
Joss wrote:
woodforthetrees wrote:
Joss wrote:And did the killer paedophile who removed Madeleine from the apartment then store her in the McCann renault scenic some 25 or so days after that to leave decomp. evidence in the trunk of the car? And that after he left that same evidence in the McC apartment as well? Sounds like a legit story, NOT.

This is the bit that always swings me back around to the perp being MrMc, but.... as with the apartment cadaver, there is no concrete evidence to say it is Madeleine. If they knew 100% that the tissue was Madeleine's and it was decomposed, then they would not be walking around freely now.

What would be great is if new DNA testing were able to prove that hairs/tissue in the boot of the car was from a deceased Madeleine, but until there is, it's inconclusive :-(

My biggest bugbear with the hire car is...how did they manage to transfer her into the boot of the car then dispose of her without anybody seeing? They were being watched 24-7.

Just playing devils advocate here and trying to get things clear in my head, so please don't shout
If the cadaver evidence alerted to by the dogs in the apartment was not from Madeleine then who did it belong to? No one else had died in that apartment to my knowledge in this case?
I think the DNA evidence did point to it being from Madeleine if i recall correctly.
I'm not sure by that stage if the McC's were being watched 24/7, it was a few weeks after the initial disappearance of the child.
I really don't know exactly how or when they would of transferred Madeleine, and only the perp/s would know that.
And no, i don't shout at people, :flower:

This is what is unknown.... who died in the apartment. Unless they can account for every single person who has been in the apartment and the hire car, then it cannot be said it is Madeleine.

From memory, the tissue/hairs/DNA in the boot wasn't confirmed from a deceased Madeleine and was said to have come from having items of hers in the boot, but i'll go back and read again. It was from Madeleine, but nor necessarily a deceased Madeleine.

The McCanns were surrounded the majority of the time by Portuguese police/Uk police, and/or special forces/ victim support people, Mark Warner staff, friends, family and also under the watchful eye of the worlds media from day 1, so they didn't have much time to do anything..
Letter dated 11 September regarding FSS report received by PJ
on on 4 September from Leicester Police, citing 15/19 matches of Madeleine DNA
profile

This serves to add [to the case file] a laboratory examination report prepared
in England, written in English and translated into Portuguese, delivered to this
police force on 4 September 2007 by English police officer Stuart Prior.

This laboratory report tells about the examinations made of two trace evidence
recoveries, one behind the living room sofa in apartment 5A and the other in the
boot area of the vehicle used by the McCann family, hired [by them] from the end of May this year.

In some of these recoveries (samples) DNA was found whose components are also
found in the profile of Madeleine McCann.

With respect to the trace evidence recovered behind the sofa all the confirmed
DNA components coincide with corresponding components in the DNA profile of
Madeleine McCann.

In the sample collected in the boot area of the vehicle, 15 of the identified
DNA components coincide with the corresponding components in the DNA profile of
Madeleine McCann, this of [having] 19 components.
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'Deceased' Madeleine...not just Madeleine

by Rogue-a-Tory 17.12.14 10:13

margaret wrote:
Also they did loads of mileage in that car it was impossible to be watched and followed 24/7.

Loads of unaccounted for mileage/kilometrage - according to Dr Amaral.

by woodforthetrees 17.12.14 10:21

Rogue-a-Tory wrote:
margaret wrote:
Also they did loads of mileage in that car it was impossible to be watched and followed 24/7.

Loads of unaccounted for mileage/kilometrage - according to Dr Amaral.

The PJ weren't watching them, but i am in little doubt that the British police/services were (as they would have made the parents immediate suspects as standard protocol).

by aiyoyo 17.12.14 10:22

NickE wrote:Tweet from METpolice this morning:
Commissioner on @LBC973 re the search for Madeleine McCann: The parents want certainty… we are doing our best to help with that"

Are they a bit shaky
..or?

Tweet from MET Police ? WT..........F?
What's the value of that saying it on the social media?

"Certainty" the parents want ?
"Certainty" of what ? That she is alive or she is dead ?
"Certainty" on what / who the Police are focusing on ?

Not "answer" but "certainty" - that's a very odd thing to say !

by Joss 17.12.14 10:32

woodforthetrees wrote:
Rogue-a-Tory wrote:
margaret wrote:
Also they did loads of mileage in that car it was impossible to be watched and followed 24/7.

Loads of unaccounted for mileage/kilometrage - according to Dr Amaral.

The PJ weren't watching them, but i am in little doubt that the British police/services were (as they would have made the parents immediate suspects as standard protocol).

WikiLeaks cables: UK police 'developed' evidence against McCanns

British ambassador's reported comments to US counterpart offer insight into role of UK police in 2007 investigation
British police helped to "develop evidence" against Madeleine McCann's parents as they were investigated by Portuguese police as formal suspects in the disappearance of their daughter, the US ambassador to [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] was told by his British counterpart in September 2007.
The meeting between US ambassador Al Hoffman and the British ambassador, Alexander Wykeham Ellis, took place a fortnight after Kate and Gerry McCann were formally declared arguidos, or suspects, by Portuguese police. The McCanns have said that there was "absolutely no evidence to implicate them in Madeleine's disappearance whatsoever."
In a diplomatic cable marked confidential, the US ambassador reported: "Without delving into the details of the case, Ellis admitted that the British police had developed the current evidence against the McCann parents, and he stressed that authorities from both countries were working co-operatively."
The comments attributed to the ambassador appear to contradict the widespread perception at the time that Portuguese investigators were the driving force behind the treatment of the McCanns as suspects in the case.
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by woodforthetrees 17.12.14 10:34

aiyoyo wrote:
NickE wrote:Tweet from METpolice this morning:
Commissioner on @LBC973 re the search for Madeleine McCann: The parents want certainty… we are doing our best to help with that"

Are they a bit shaky
..or?

Tweet from MET Police ? WT..........F?
What's the value of that saying it on the social media?

"Certainty" the parents want ?
"Certainty" of what ? That she is alive or she is dead ?
"Certainty" on what / who the Police are focusing on ?

Not "answer" but "certainty" - that's a very odd thing to say !

I think 'certainty' on the perpetrator. (Paedo or other)

The parents were advised very very early on that the chances of her being alive were very low and this has since been emphasized by the cadaver, the change in thinking of OG (or them bringing the death thesis in line with those from the PJ and various others).

The only reason the McCanns have continued to (publicly at least, if not privately) believe that she may still be alive is to keep the fund donations coming in and keep the cash flowing for them from court cases, media coverage and sofa time.

All IMO of course ;-)

by ScarletLaw 17.12.14 15:19

woodforthetrees wrote:
aiyoyo wrote:
NickE wrote:Tweet from METpolice this morning:
Commissioner on @LBC973 re the search for Madeleine McCann: The parents want certainty… we are doing our best to help with that"

Are they a bit shaky
..or?

Tweet from MET Police ? WT..........F?
What's the value of that saying it on the social media?

"Certainty" the parents want ?
"Certainty" of what ? That she is alive or she is dead ?
"Certainty" on what / who the Police are focusing on ?

Not "answer" but "certainty" - that's a very odd thing to say !

I think 'certainty' on the perpetrator. (Paedo or other)

The parents were advised very very early on that the chances of her being alive were very low and this has since been emphasized by the cadaver, the change in thinking of OG (or them bringing the death thesis in line with those from the PJ and various others).

The only reason the McCanns have continued to (publicly at least, if not privately) believe that she may still be alive is to keep the fund donations coming in and keep the cash flowing for them from court cases, media coverage and sofa time.

All IMO of course ;-)

I agree; it's going to be a conclusion that the little girl is dead in keeping with the dogs evidence and I'm pretty sure they're going to say that she was taken away after being killed in the flat. How they're going to explain how the scent was left there by a body being killed hours before is going to be interesting or the scent in the hired car. They will give out a flat statement because they won't want journalist questions on this.

by woodforthetrees 17.12.14 15:26

ScarletLaw wrote:
woodforthetrees wrote:
aiyoyo wrote:
NickE wrote:Tweet from METpolice this morning:
Commissioner on @LBC973 re the search for Madeleine McCann: The parents want certainty… we are doing our best to help with that"

Are they a bit shaky
..or?

Tweet from MET Police ? WT..........F?
What's the value of that saying it on the social media?

"Certainty" the parents want ?
"Certainty" of what ? That she is alive or she is dead ?
"Certainty" on what / who the Police are focusing on ?

Not "answer" but "certainty" - that's a very odd thing to say !

I think 'certainty' on the perpetrator. (Paedo or other)

The parents were advised very very early on that the chances of her being alive were very low and this has since been emphasized by the cadaver, the change in thinking of OG (or them bringing the death thesis in line with those from the PJ and various others).

The only reason the McCanns have continued to (publicly at least, if not privately) believe that she may still be alive is to keep the fund donations coming in and keep the cash flowing for them from court cases, media coverage and sofa time.

All IMO of course ;-)

I agree; it's going to be a conclusion that the little girl is dead in keeping with the dogs evidence and I'm pretty sure they're going to say that she was taken away after being killed in the flat. How they're going to explain how the scent was left there by a body being killed hours before is going to be interesting or the scent in the hired car. They will give out a flat statement because they won't want journalist questions on this.

That's exactly what they are pushing for (IMO), then the only thing they need to decide is whether to a) pull the McCanns and Tapas group in for lying about checking the kids and charge them, or come up with a suitable alternative story to brush it all under the carpet.

Based on Gerrys connections in the police, government and masons and his ability to get favours done (based on some information/dirt he knows about people in power, though not confirmed exactly what), i would say it'll all get brushed under a carpet.

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