Is Robert Murat About To Close This Case?

I think the importance / relevance is whether it adds to the catalogue of Mactruths

In saying that - this is a Murat thread so why all this photoshop tennis is placed here i do not know

Elça Craig wrote:

Perhaps there is a relevance.  Given that Madeleine was placed by independent witnesses at high tea in the Tapas area at around 5:30pm, I'm just not seeing why this photo is important.

Not true, high tea didn't happen on 3 May.

LombardySkeptik wrote:I think the importance / relevance is whether it adds to the catalogue of Mactruths

In saying that - this is a Murat thread so why all this photoshop tennis is placed here i do not know

  I realised that hence why the discussion hasn't been pursued by me.

I used to be a "Murat has nothing to do with it " supporter. Then the more I knew, the more I started wondering. I said this previously, if you read his PJ interviews he says his mother was the one paying for his plane flights. So WHY book a flight so suddenly when it was for sure much more expensive than booking with some time in advance? What was the urgency? I think we all know the answer to that. IMHO Murat's role was to get some place / fridge in where to hide the body, maybe even not knowing that was what "people " wanted to hide. His statement about "the time before " the "abduction " says a lot to me. I wish we (the Portuguese police ) could grant him immunity in exchange for his information, I think that would get the case solved for good. IMO he was a facilitator of something because he had access to many vacant apartments in PDL being a real estate agent at the time. He tried to get inside the investigation by offering help to translate... and then JT and the rest of the tapas folks framed him... just MOO, MHO and all that.

Good theory. To hide a body in a foreign country, let alone a hellish lair, would require assistance of some kind - assistance too in removing from that original hiding place.

Why on earth Murat has never been made to state or indeed able to explain the haste for catching a plane from Exeter within hours of making a booking is beyond me. Also the co-ordinating switching off of phones between him and GM requires serious explanation.

Rogue-a-Tory wrote:Good theory. To hide a body in a foreign country, let alone a hellish lair, would require assistance of some kind - assistance too in removing from that original hiding place.

Why on earth Murat has never been made to state or indeed able to explain the haste for catching a plane from Exeter within hours of making a booking is beyond me. Also the co-ordinating switching off of phones between him and GM requires serious explanation.

BBM
Exactly!!!

I believe this has cropped up before ,if not here then another site .I thought he told that it was business reasons ,also divorce reasons too ?  joyce1938

joyce1938 wrote:I believe this has cropped up before ,if not here then another site .I thought he told that it was business reasons ,also divorce reasons too ?  joyce1938

It has Joyce. But guess what? I think that's a load of twaddle. You don't book a flight at 12am to fly at 7am, not unless there's something catastrophic, an adejective that applies to neither of those versions of events.

Rogue-a-Tory wrote:

whatsupdoc wrote:
The Last Pic that I studied  was probably the worst cobbled fake I have seen. I don't know what the original was like. The copy I studied was altered in the foreground and the background. It was really badly done. I didn't look into the Exo data which is usually very telling, others have.

I agree and posted the 5 main spot the differences on the last picture thread between the two pics in my avatar. Another contributor added a 6th. All six point to things that were added to the last pic, highly unlikely or improbably removed from the solo version.

I agree. I think the last photo is not what it purports to be in many ways. It, or parts of it, were taken on a different day at a different time. That alone makes it highly deceptive. Why the need to 'prove' the family were together by the pool including Madeleine on Thursday?

What puzzles me is, as some others have noted, how very badly the photo has been cobbled together. I have always thought this. Gerry's facial expression tells a thousand words as well. Hardly a man enjoying a lovely family holiday. 

I know this is a thread about Murat. But timings of alleged 'last photos' and indeed other photos plus events that are supposed to have happened that week are crucial to trying to work out when Madeleine may have come to some harm that week.

Murat made a very late night booking on, I think, Monday evening? Arriving in the early hours of Tuesday morning. I believe he was sent in at the last minute to 'trouble-shoot'. His contacts plus role as police translator were vital. This suggests to me that something had already gone wrong by Monday. As has been noted elsewhere on this forum and others, Murat's role was probably to protect some people who are more important than the McCanns from embarrassment. And keep the lid on some other potentially explosive stuff.

Maybe something bad happened to Madeleine on Sunday evening/night. Or maybe Monday evening/night. I think Madeleine woke up and was inconsolable on either of those evenings. By Tuesday the situation was out of control with someone in the McCann apartment - whether Madeleine crying out 'Daddy'; or Kate crying out 'Maddie' or one of the twins crying out 'Maddie'. The crying stopped abruptly when someone or several people entered the apartment through the patio doors (as neighbour Mrs Fenn heard the doors being opened and the crying stopped abruptly just after that.)

If someone has been crying for an hour and a quarter, and the anguish escalates, they are unlikely to suddenly stop. Even is someone comes along to comfort them, the crying will gradually diminish over a period of time. It will not stop abruptly.

One can only speculate what might have made Madeleine (or someone else in the apartment) so upset. I have my suspicions, unfortunately. I think it is highly suspicious that the crying stopped so abruptly.

And one of the tapaskniks (Russell?) even uses the word 'clobbered' in one of his police statements. As in, if a child is clobbered it is more likely to be by someone they know. The police note the use of this word and repeat it back to him. Which suggests that they noted its potential sensitivity. And possible relevance, perhaps. Was this more 'brain leak', for instance?

There is a website which is dedicated to cases of children who were abused by their family and/or close friends of family and where the parents/family/babysitters alleged the baby/child had been abducted to cover up what had really happened. It is heartbreaking to see some of the sad little faces there. Some with very clear bruises on their faces or looking so sad and scared. I'll link it when I can locate it.

There is nothing in this case that makes me believe this is anything other than a child abuse case in which family and friends have faked an abduction in order to cover up what really happened.

Not one thing points away from that scenario. Literally - not one thing. And in actual fact everything points towards that scenario. 

The fact that the parents and some of their friends are doctors, and others in the group and their wider acquaintances were also doctors, professionals or other people with relatively high-profile jobs is completely irrelevant. Well, it IS relevant but only because it plays into a naivety that doctors and other professionals could not possibly be child abusers. Or commit a crime. Or lie. Which is, of course, complete nonsense. 

As has been pointed out so many times, if the McCanns had lived on benefits in a council flat and their daughter disappeared in such suspicious circumstances, would they have had support from Gordon Brown, Cherie Blair, the British consul, Government media spin-doctor Clarence Mitchell,  the Pope and countless others?

I think not.

This case really does disgust me.


IMO

Rogue-a-Tory wrote:Good theory. To hide a body in a foreign country, let alone a hellish lair, would require assistance of some kind - assistance too in removing from that original hiding place.

Why on earth Murat has never been made to state or indeed able to explain the haste for catching a plane from Exeter within hours of making a booking is beyond me. Also the co-ordinating switching off of phones between him and GM requires serious explanation.

Who gave the green light for Murat to act as a police translator? As a local man who was in the vicinity when Madeleine disappeared he is a potential suspect. He was not the official PJ translator, as far as I am aware. But simply 'offered his services'. Although presumably he came with some kind of recommendation?

Whose? Who arranged for Murat to play such a pivotal role? How high up does this go? He became privy to vital eye-witness information. Not only that, he would have been able, presumably, to use license in his translation.........hmmmmm......

I wonder how much got 'lost in translation?'

Compelling reading, j.rob.

Poor Madeleine.

Yes good post j.rob...
Do you suspect neglect ?
Or full on abuse ? I.Y.O

MC1717 wrote:Yes good post j.rob...
Do you suspect neglect ?
Or full on abuse ?  I.Y.O

Ah, 'entrapment' is NOT 'tolerated' in this forum, MC1717.

Here's a good post, 'we know media 'monitors' are watching here, and taking ss's, to possibly be used 'against' people, re: 'dossier' by 'supporters', in possible 'libel' court cases at a future date.

'j rob' posted 'this', 'j.rob' posted 'that' and 'we' have it all ss'd.'

Do 'you' MC1717 suspect 'neglect or full on abuse'?

Look forward to 'seeing' your 'reply'

jeanmonroe wrote:

MC1717 wrote:Yes good post j.rob...
Do you suspect neglect ?
Or full on abuse ?  I.Y.O

Ah, 'entrapment' is NOT 'tolerated' in this forum, MC1717.

Here's a good post, 'we know media 'monitors' are watching here, and taking ss's, to possibly be used 'against' people, re: 'dossier' by 'supporters', in possible 'libel' court cases at a future date.

'j rob' posted 'this', 'j.rob' posted 'that' and 'we' have it all ss'd.'

Do 'you' MC1717 suspect 'neglect or full on abuse'?

Look forward to 'seeing' your 'reply'

My thoughts exactly when I read the post yesterday - on another thread also.



Always the same tactic - I'm new to the forum but not the case;  I don't know much but I've been following the case since the beginning;  I've seen Richard D. Hall's videos but blah blah blah blah.....

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