Madeleine McCann new DNA hope

Detectives plan to do new tests on curtains which hung in the apartment where Madeleine McCann disappeared.
They believe the fabric, which has been sealed in an evidence file since [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] vanished in Portugal in 2007, may hold DNA which will identify to her abductor.
Scotland Yard sent an urgent request to their counterparts in Portugal asking permission to re-examine the fabric.
Forensic experts on the Operation Grange team want to use new ­techniques to analyse the curtains, which hung in the room where Madeleine was sleeping with her baby brother and sister.



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"...may hold DNA which will identify her abductor".

A Portuguese police source said: “The best hope is to pass the sample to British officers.”
Police digs in Praia da Luz and interviews with new suspects this summer ended in disappointment.

Mitchell speak?

Ladyinred wrote:"...may hold DNA which will identify her abductor".

If they find DNA on the curtains and it matches McCanns does that mean they have found their abductor.IMO of course

Are they still considering an abductor entered or exited via the bedroom window?

palm tree wrote:Are they still considering an abductor entered or exited via the bedroom window?

Could it be the blue curtains in the lounge that will be tested?

Just a thought!

sallypelt wrote:Detectives plan to do new tests on curtains which hung in the apartment where Madeleine McCann disappeared.
They believe the fabric, which has been sealed in an evidence file since [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] vanished in Portugal in 2007, may hold DNA which will identify to her abductor.
Scotland Yard sent an urgent request to their counterparts in Portugal asking permission to re-examine the fabric.
Forensic experts on the Operation Grange team want to use new ­techniques to analyse the curtains, which hung in the room where Madeleine was sleeping with her baby brother and sister.



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Come on, Daily Mirror. Do keep up.

abductor is "so last decade!"

Just because there's a Super (inaudible) on you, there's no need to keep spouting the abduction bull-turd.


I was going to say, 'You're not fooling anyone.' But, alas, you are fooling those who won't think for themselves and research this case by reading the PJ files.

Ladyinred wrote:"...may hold DNA which will identify her abductor".

They have to say that at the moment...

unchained melody wrote:

Ladyinred wrote:"...may hold DNA which will identify her abductor".

They have to say that at the moment...

In the bedroom photo in the article it says something like - the room from which Maddie was seemingly snatched.

plebgate wrote:

unchained melody wrote:

Ladyinred wrote:"...may hold DNA which will identify her abductor".

They have to say that at the moment...

In the bedroom photo in the article it says something like - the room from which Maddie was seemingly snatched.

A bit more accurate

Another 'new hope'? This abductor shit is really wearing thin now, but hey!

In my opinion.

So the abductor opened the curtains and yet somehow left no finger/hand prints anywhere else. If KM saw the curtains blow open by a gust of wind that means they were in closed position to be blown open? So how did KM finger print get on the bedroom window if she wasn't forced to touch the curtains? So I expect OG will find her DNA, amongst the hundreds of other people's DNA, that have touched those curtains?

SixMillionQuid wrote:So the abductor opened the curtains and yet somehow left no finger/hand prints anywhere else. If KM saw the curtains blow open by a gust of wind that means they were in closed position to be blown open? So how did KM finger print get on the bedroom window if she wasn't forced to touch the curtains? So I expect OG will find her DNA, amongst the hundreds of other people's DNA, that have touched those curtains?

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Scotland Yard forensics want to use new ­techniques to analyse the curtains, which hung in the room where Madeleine was sleeping with her baby brother and sister
 
 
Detectives plan to do new tests on curtains which hung in the apartment where Madeleine McCann disappeared.
They believe the fabric, which has been sealed in an evidence file since [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] vanished in Portugal in 2007, may hold DNA which will identify to her abductor.”
 
So in this precise? and accurate? piece of Murdoch/Mirror reporting, we have reference to “curtains…in the room where Madeleine was sleeping” and “curtains…in the apartment where Madeleine disappeared.” They also refer to 'abducted' but hey, they can't get everything right can they.

So, very good so far, at least she has, in parts, “disappeared”.
But the curtains in the apartment (as opposed to the bedroom) could be those from the lounge, namely behind the sofa.
Were samples collected from the bedroom curtains?
I have not seen that but stand to be corrected.
If it is the ‘lounge’ curtains then yes, with blood spots on the walls right beside the curtains, and a smell of cadavour detected and indicated, then if these were the only samples collected and bagged up since 2007, they would be interesting for further DNA investigation.
Especially if there are signs of them having been washed (in detergent) etc. which did not correlate with the normal cleaning methods used in the cleaning facilities of OC.
With the Mirror covering all angles, like the man who jumped onto a horse and rode of in every direction, are we able to narrow the field down.

Can anyone clear it up if ‘bedroom curtain material was ever collected’ ?

This is exactly what I was thinking, we are seeing a lot of mention of the bedroom curtains being retested, however, as far as I can remember from the items collected it was the living room curtains that were sampled and of interest to the investigators.
Were the bedroom curtains collected for evidence as well?

Any curtains hanging in the apartment would have collected a ton of DNA over time from various inhabitants, visitors, cleaners, charity collectors, I doubt very much they would be washed often, would be like looking for an abductor needle in a haystack..

Synes wrote:Any curtains hanging in the apartment would have collected a ton of DNA over time from various inhabitants, visitors, cleaners, charity collectors, I doubt very much they would be washed often,  would be like looking for an abductor needle in a haystack.. 

Well they might find traces of New Zealand sheep or tractor oil or both.

Anything is possible.

Have checked the PJ files and it would appear that only the curtains from the living room were retained

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Rufus T wrote:Have checked the PJ files and it would appear that only the curtains from the living room were retained

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This would be very interesting, and we all know the MSM make some mistakes!

Synes wrote:Any curtains hanging in the apartment would have collected a ton of DNA over time from various inhabitants, visitors, cleaners, charity collectors, I doubt very much they would be washed often,  would be like looking for an abductor needle in a haystack..

Isn't that the idea?    They could pick out virtually anyone.......

They are going to test the curtains to see if they could both "Whoosh" and then tuck themselves back down behind the bed and wicker chair.
Under various wind conditions, starting with a flat calm, through to Force 9
Under various shutter conditions, ranging from closed to "jammied"
Under various window conditions, ranging from closed to "wide open"
Under various veracity conditions, ranging from honest to "totally mendacious"

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If they managed to find dna evidence from traces of MM's blood on the lounge curtains, then this would lend weight to Amaral's theory and the McCanns would have some explaining to do.

What evidence would they be likely to find on the bedroom curtains? None really.

suzyjohnson wrote:If they managed to find dna evidence from traces of MM's blood on the lounge curtains, then this would lend weight to Amaral's theory and the McCanns would have some explaining to do.

They had an answer for that

-- When confronted with the fact that Madeleine's DNA was collected from behind the sofa and in the boot of the vehicle and analyzed by a British laboratory, situations also described before, he says that he cannot explain.
--- When asked if on any occasion Madeleine was injured, he says that he has no comments.
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---The lawyer for the defence says he wishes the arguido to be asked again if Madeleine bled. To which he said it was common for Madeleine to have nosebleeds. He says that he doesn't know if in fact his daughter bled while on holiday in Portugal because he does not want to be influenced by the news in the Press, regarding the detection of human blood in the apartment where his daughter disappeared.

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To me that says if they have found Madeleine's blood, then he'd say she had a nose bleed, depending on what they've found
IMO

palm tree wrote:To me that says if they have found Madeleine's blood, then he'd say she had a nose bleed, depending on what they've found
IMO

Ah, so the dogs were correct Gerry, after all?

palm tree wrote:To me that says if they have found Madeleine's blood, then he'd say she had a nose bleed, depending on what they've found
IMO

Yes, to me he's saying he's not going to commit to admitting she had a nosebleed or otherwise because at that point he is in the dark as to whether or not the PJ have found her blood.

Hedging again, imo.

In my view, that's declining to answer the question. Either she bled, or she didn't,  regardless of what informtion the police have given him. That's as obstructive as Kate declining the 48 questions.

Such arrogance, but why let him get away with it? It's suspicious behaviour and should have been treated as such.

All my opinion.

Rufus T wrote:Have checked the PJ files and it would appear that only the curtains from the living room were retained

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Good find!

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Sonntag, 26. Oktober 2014
The final curtain?
 
The Mirror, which has been the inofficial mouthpiece for a couple of months now, today continues to  desperately spin the fact that Scotland Yard wants to retest for possible DNA evidence from the apartment where the McCanns stayed in 2007.
 
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Do you notice the reek of desperation evaporating from these two lines? How to spin the basic facts when the latest paedo is as good as eliminated from the investigation? When hairs of burglar-abductors are not the only objective of the Scotland Yard investigation. When CURTAINS are being mentioned...
 
The Mirror tries to tell the uninformed masses - and some that should be informed - that the curtains from the bedroom where Madeleine and her two siblings were sleeping are the focus of the request to retest some of the samples that were returned to Portugal at the end of 2007 and those that were kept there from the beginning. You remember the whooshing curtains?
 
Unfortunately, these curtains were never collected, sent to Britain, tested or kept in Portugal. Just check the files.
 
The only curtains that feature prominently in the original police files are those that were hanging behind the furniture-that-must-not-be-named and where the four-legged-creatures-that-must-also-not-be-named did what they are supposed to do with unquestioned precision. Curtains that never got in contact with the burglar-abductor if you believe the abduction tale.
 
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] (I said it). Guess where Keela the CSI blood dog alerted when she was deployed to 5A for a second time on August 3rd?
 
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It is not quite clear what happened to the original blue curtains that were tested at the FSS in Britain. So far I could not find a return note. But searching for it, I found another return note that could turn out extremely interesting in the next weeks.
 
It is the delivery note from the FSS to Leicestershire Police of non-perishable samples that were not destroyed but returned. Thirty-three samples.
 
 
 
 
They could represent the following items (there is no batch number given, so take this with caution):
 
1. 10 (1) baggage compartment lined with fabric with ventilation holes
2. 10 (2) moulded plastic extension
3. 1A Head hair collected from the driver - s seat.
4. 1B Fibres and possible head hair from the back of the driver - s seat.
5. 1C Fibres and possible head hair from the bottom of the driver - s seat.
6. 1D Nail fragment collected in the floor in front of the driver - s seat
7. 2A Head hair collected to the right of passenger - s seat.
8. 2B Head hair collected from the floor next to the right front passenger - s seat
9. 2C Fibres and possible head hair from the back of the right front passenger's seat
10. 2D Fibres and possible head hair from the bottom of the right front passenger's seat.
11. 2E Nail fragment collected in the floor in front of the driver - s seat.
12. 3 Head hair collected between the front seats.
13. 4A Head hair collected from the left area of the back seat.
14. 4B Fibres and possible head hair from the back in the left area of the back seat.
15. 4C Fibres and possible head hair from the bottom in the left area of the back seat.
16. 5A Head hair collected from the middle area of the back seat.
17. 5B Fibres and possible head hair from the back in the middle area of the back seat.
18. 5C Fibres and possible head hair from the bottom in the middle area of the back seat.
19. 6A Head hair collected from the right area of the back seat.
20. 6B Fibres and possible head hair from the back in the right area of the back seat.
21. 6C Fibres and possible head hair from the bottom in the right area of the back seat.
22. 7A Head hair collected from the left seat of the luggage area.
23. 7B Fibres and possible head hair from the back of the left seat in the vehicle luggage area.
24. 7C Fibres and possible head hair from the bottom in the left area of the back seat.
25. 8A Head hair collected from the right seat of the luggage area.
26. 8B Fibres and possible head hair from the back of the right seat in the vehicle luggage area.
27. 8C Fibres and possible head hair from the bottom of the right seat in the vehicle luggage area.
28. 9 Head hair collected from the vehicle luggage area.
29. 11 Fibres and possible head hair in the rear shelf/luggage cover.
30. 11 Fibres and possible head hair in the rear shelf/luggage cover.
31. 12 Key card
32. 13 Pattern sample of the fabric covering the vehicle seats.
33. 15 Pattern samples taken from the clothes worn by PMFG Vilhena.
 
All samples from the hired car. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].
 
So the Mirror might still focus on the relatively safe area of the bedroom, where the dogs did not alert, while the curtain in question is definitely from the living-room where they did, but what will they do if the focus is turning onto samples from the hired car? Will we then see headlines like this?
 
Kate and Gerry furios:
Burglars stored body in hired car while they were jogging
 
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The search is over.
A new suspect was seen being taken away in chains earlier this evening.





















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Yep MRNOODLES and Dee Coy, kinda like, if you tell me you've found Madeleine's blood, then I'll tell you she's had a nose bleed. Unreal.
IMO