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Post by sallypelt on 25.10.14 21:43

Detectives plan to do new tests on curtains which hung in the apartment where Madeleine McCann disappeared.
They believe the fabric, which has been sealed in an evidence file since three-year-old Madeleine vanished in Portugal in 2007, may hold DNA which will identify to her abductor.
Scotland Yard sent an urgent request to their counterparts in Portugal asking permission to re-examine the fabric.
Forensic experts on the Operation Grange team want to use new ­techniques to analyse the curtains, which hung in the room where Madeleine was sleeping with her baby brother and sister.



http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-new-dna-hope-4508372

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Re: Madeleine McCann new DNA hope

Post by Guest on 25.10.14 21:51

"...may hold DNA which will identify her abductor".
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Re: Madeleine McCann new DNA hope

Post by Guest on 25.10.14 21:57

A Portuguese police source said: “The best hope is to pass the sample to British officers.”
Police digs in Praia da Luz and interviews with new suspects this summer ended in disappointment.

Mitchell speak?
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Re: Madeleine McCann new DNA hope

Post by Guest on 25.10.14 21:59

Ladyinred wrote:"...may hold DNA which will identify her abductor".
If they find DNA on the curtains and it matches McCanns does that mean they have found their abductor.IMO of course
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Re: Madeleine McCann new DNA hope

Post by palm tree on 25.10.14 22:05

Are they still considering an abductor entered or exited via the bedroom window?

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Re: Madeleine McCann new DNA hope

Post by sallypelt on 25.10.14 22:07

@palm tree wrote:Are they still considering an abductor entered or exited via the bedroom window?

Could it be the blue curtains in the lounge that will be tested?

Just a thought!

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Re: Madeleine McCann new DNA hope

Post by Gaggzy on 25.10.14 22:11

@sallypelt wrote:Detectives plan to do new tests on curtains which hung in the apartment where Madeleine McCann disappeared.
They believe the fabric, which has been sealed in an evidence file since three-year-old Madeleine vanished in Portugal in 2007, may hold DNA which will identify to her abductor.
Scotland Yard sent an urgent request to their counterparts in Portugal asking permission to re-examine the fabric.
Forensic experts on the Operation Grange team want to use new ­techniques to analyse the curtains, which hung in the room where Madeleine was sleeping with her baby brother and sister.



http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-new-dna-hope-4508372

Come on, Daily Mirror. Do keep up.

abductor is "so last decade!"

Just because there's a Super (inaudible) on you, there's no need to keep spouting the abduction bull-turd.


I was going to say, 'You're not fooling anyone.' But, alas, you are fooling those who won't think for themselves and research this case by reading the PJ files.
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Re: Madeleine McCann new DNA hope

Post by unchained melody on 25.10.14 22:48

Ladyinred wrote:"...may hold DNA which will identify her abductor".

They have to say that at the moment...

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Post by plebgate on 25.10.14 22:57

@unchained melody wrote:
Ladyinred wrote:"...may hold DNA which will identify her abductor".

They have to say that at the moment...
In the bedroom photo in the article it says something like - the room from which Maddie was seemingly snatched.

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Post by unchained melody on 25.10.14 23:01

@plebgate wrote:
@unchained melody wrote:
Ladyinred wrote:"...may hold DNA which will identify her abductor".

They have to say that at the moment...
In the bedroom photo in the article it says something like - the room from which Maddie was seemingly snatched.
A bit more accurate

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Re: Madeleine McCann new DNA hope

Post by Brian Griffin on 26.10.14 4:34

Another 'new hope'? This abductor shit is really wearing thin now, but hey!

In my opinion.

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Re: Madeleine McCann new DNA hope

Post by SixMillionQuid on 26.10.14 6:55

So the abductor opened the curtains and yet somehow left no finger/hand prints anywhere else. If KM saw the curtains blow open by a gust of wind that means they were in closed position to be blown open? So how did KM finger print get on the bedroom window if she wasn't forced to touch the curtains? So I expect OG will find her DNA, amongst the hundreds of other people's DNA, that have touched those curtains?

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Re: Madeleine McCann new DNA hope

Post by bobbin on 26.10.14 7:24

@SixMillionQuid wrote:So the abductor opened the curtains and yet somehow left no finger/hand prints anywhere else. If KM saw the curtains blow open by a gust of wind that means they were in closed position to be blown open? So how did KM finger print get on the bedroom window if she wasn't forced to touch the curtains? So I expect OG will find her DNA, amongst the hundreds of other people's DNA, that have touched those curtains?

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Scotland Yard forensics want to use new ­techniques to analyse the curtains, which hung in the room where Madeleine was sleeping with her baby brother and sister
 
 
Detectives plan to do new tests on curtains which hung in the apartment where Madeleine McCann disappeared.
They believe the fabric, which has been sealed in an evidence file since three-year-old Madeleine vanished in Portugal in 2007, may hold DNA which will identify to her abductor.”
 
So in this precise? and accurate? piece of Murdoch/Mirror reporting, we have reference to “curtains…in the room where Madeleine was sleeping” and “curtains…in the apartment where Madeleine disappeared.” They also refer to 'abducted' but hey, they can't get everything right can they.

So, very good so far, at least she has, in parts, “disappeared”.
But the curtains in the apartment (as opposed to the bedroom) could be those from the lounge, namely behind the sofa.
Were samples collected from the bedroom curtains?
I have not seen that but stand to be corrected.
If it is the ‘lounge’ curtains then yes, with blood spots on the walls right beside the curtains, and a smell of cadavour detected and indicated, then if these were the only samples collected and bagged up since 2007, they would be interesting for further DNA investigation.
Especially if there are signs of them having been washed (in detergent) etc. which did not correlate with the normal cleaning methods used in the cleaning facilities of OC.
With the Mirror covering all angles, like the man who jumped onto a horse and rode of in every direction, are we able to narrow the field down.

Can anyone clear it up if ‘bedroom curtain material was ever collected’ ?

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Re: Madeleine McCann new DNA hope

Post by Synes on 26.10.14 8:44

This is exactly what I was thinking, we are seeing a lot of mention of the bedroom curtains being retested, however, as far as I can remember from the items collected it was the living room curtains that were sampled and of interest to the investigators.
Were the bedroom curtains collected for evidence as well?

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Re: Madeleine McCann new DNA hope

Post by Synes on 26.10.14 8:49

Any curtains hanging in the apartment would have collected a ton of DNA over time from various inhabitants, visitors, cleaners, charity collectors, I doubt very much they would be washed often, would be like looking for an abductor needle in a haystack..

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Re: Madeleine McCann new DNA hope

Post by BlueBag on 26.10.14 8:57

@Synes wrote:Any curtains hanging in the apartment would have collected a ton of DNA over time from various inhabitants, visitors, cleaners, charity collectors, I doubt very much they would be washed often,  would be like looking for an abductor needle in a haystack.. 
Well they might find traces of New Zealand sheep or tractor oil or both.

Anything is possible.
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Re: Madeleine McCann new DNA hope

Post by Snifferdog on 26.10.14 9:07

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Re: Madeleine McCann new DNA hope

Post by Rufus T on 26.10.14 9:13

Have checked the PJ files and it would appear that only the curtains from the living room were retained

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PORTUGUESE-FORENSIC.htm#p10p2528
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Post by palm tree on 26.10.14 9:22

@Rufus T wrote:Have checked the PJ files and it would appear that only the curtains from the living room were retained

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PORTUGUESE-FORENSIC.htm#p10p2528
This would be very interesting, and we all know the MSM make some mistakes!

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Re: Madeleine McCann new DNA hope

Post by stumo on 26.10.14 9:27

@Synes wrote:Any curtains hanging in the apartment would have collected a ton of DNA over time from various inhabitants, visitors, cleaners, charity collectors, I doubt very much they would be washed often,  would be like looking for an abductor needle in a haystack..

Isn't that the idea?  laughat  They could pick out virtually anyone.......
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Scientific tests

Post by PeterMac on 26.10.14 9:28

They are going to test the curtains to see if they could both "Whoosh" and then tuck themselves back down behind the bed and wicker chair.
Under various wind conditions, starting with a flat calm, through to Force 9
Under various shutter conditions, ranging from closed to "jammied"
Under various window conditions, ranging from closed to "wide open"
Under various veracity conditions, ranging from honest to "totally mendacious"

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Re: Madeleine McCann new DNA hope

Post by suzyjohnson on 26.10.14 9:43

If they managed to find dna evidence from traces of MM's blood on the lounge curtains, then this would lend weight to Amaral's theory and the McCanns would have some explaining to do.

What evidence would they be likely to find on the bedroom curtains? None really.

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Post by SixMillionQuid on 26.10.14 11:33

@suzyjohnson wrote:If they managed to find dna evidence from traces of MM's blood on the lounge curtains, then this would lend weight to Amaral's theory and the McCanns would have some explaining to do.


They had an answer for that

-- When confronted with the fact that Madeleine's DNA was collected from behind the sofa and in the boot of the vehicle and analyzed by a British laboratory, situations also described before, he says that he cannot explain.
--- When asked if on any occasion Madeleine was injured, he says that he has no comments.
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---The lawyer for the defence says he wishes the arguido to be asked again if Madeleine bled. To which he said it was common for Madeleine to have nosebleeds. He says that he doesn't know if in fact his daughter bled while on holiday in Portugal because he does not want to be influenced by the news in the Press, regarding the detection of human blood in the apartment where his daughter disappeared.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm

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Re: Madeleine McCann new DNA hope

Post by palm tree on 26.10.14 12:11

To me that says if they have found Madeleine's blood, then he'd say she had a nose bleed, depending on what they've found
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Post by MRNOODLES on 26.10.14 12:33

@palm tree wrote:To me that says if they have found Madeleine's blood, then he'd say she had a nose bleed, depending on what they've found
IMO

Ah, so the dogs were correct Gerry, after all?
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