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Post by Smokeandmirrors 19.05.13 12:34

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Smokeandmirrors wrote:Waiting with baited breath to see what Clarence/McCanns have to say about two alleged individuals entering their apartment to attend to an alone, crying, distressed child. It's looking a lot less like "naivety" now, isn't it?

It's blown them off the breakfast sofas, no way I'll they go on TV now and risk being questioned about this neglect!

Let's hope so! The nation simply cannot cope with any more sycophancy from Lorraine or other vacuous presenters with nothing but Botox between their ears!

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Post by Philthecynic 19.05.13 12:38

Newintown wrote:Brunty, it's not "disappearance", it's "abduction, abduction, abduction". Where have you been for the past 6 years - shame on you!! Will we be expecting the McCanns to sue you in Court because you're not towing the party line.

Should we start a collection now to pay your legal fees???? Please let us know.

Yay let's start a limited company, great way of making money Nobbling witnesses accepting donations to aid the cause.

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Post by russiandoll 19.05.13 12:40

bold mine - is this the couple ref to by Express who had a good view of the street and did not see anything?

Back in 2007 Radio Stoke spoke to Susan Moyes who owned an apartment 2 floors above the McCanns holiday rental apartment.

In part of her interview she spoke of the night Madeleine went missing she said:

SUSAN MOYES
Sure. We went out for a meal about seven o’clock down in the town. We
walked back about nine o’clock, round past, erm, the church, round past
the supermarket, back to the apartment. Went out on the balcony about
quarter past nine. Everywhere was peaceful, everywhere was lovely
. We
then went to bed. We were woken up at half past eleven at night by one
of the friends of the McCanns to say a little girl had been abducted.

Those were the words she used. So we got dressed and joined in the
search. We were out till about four in the morning with, oooh, about I
dont know, thirty people, thirty other people maybe. The Mark Warner
team were out with other guests at the Ocean Club.
The full interview can be listened to here, with the transcript below:


Transcript

REPORTER
This is a story you’ve followed incredibly closely because you were
involved on the night. You helped the police and the family in looking
for Madeleine didn’t you?


SUSAN MOYES Yes we did and yes, very, very concerned. Concerned for the family and followed it every day, every day.

REPORTER Can you take us back to that night and what you were doing and when you first heard there was a problem?

SUSAN MOYES
Sure. We went out for a meal about seven o’clock down in the town. We
walked back about nine o’clock, round past, erm, the church, round past
the supermarket, back to the apartment. Went out on the balcony about
quarter past nine. Everywhere was peaceful, everywhere was lovely. We
then went to bed. We were woken up at half past eleven at night by one
of the friends of the McCanns to say a little girl had been abducted.
Those were the words she used. So we got dressed and joined in the
search. We were out till about four in the morning with, oooh, about I
dont know, thirty people, thirty other people maybe. The Mark Warner
team were out with other guests at the Ocean Club.

REPORTER Now,
to put it into perspective. We’ve all seen pictures of of the apartment
were the McCanns were staying. How close is yours to theirs?


SUSAN MOYES
Directly above. We are but one above. Mrs Fenn who lives there was in
the apartment below us and then below that was the McCanns. So directly
above.


REPORTER And you were out there for a considerable period of time.

SUSAN MOYES Yeah, we went out there on the Wednesday, the day before Madeleine went missing and we were out for the month of May.

REPORTER Tell me about the effect all of this has had on the local community there.

SUSAN MOYES
It was unbelievable. Really apart from the disruption from the mass
media, the helicopter constantly circling round and sheer disbelief
really. Everybody was completely, well, amazed by it, gobsmacked really.

REPORTER
What, I mean what were the local community saying to you? Because
obviously being out there such a time you must have spoken to a lot of
people about it. It must have been, if you like, the talk of the town.

SUSAN MOYES
Mmm. There was a lot of criticism of the police which we felt was
unfounded, err, at that time. Really a lot of unsure about exactly what
happened. How did somebody get in? Was it the front? Was it the back?
Was it left open? Was it forced? A lot of different stories.


REPORTER Speculation if you like.

SUSAN MOYES Absolutely, absolutely, yeah, yeah!

REPORTER
We’ve got a copy of the newspaper here. In fact its one of today’s
newspapers, the Express and its still front page news, of course, back
in the news.

SUSAN MOYES Big style. Yeah! Yeah!

REPORTER How do you feel when you see the pictures here in the newspapers? I mean have you collected newspapers over the period?

SUSAN MOYES
Oh yeah! I get the paper every day anyway but obviously followed it
very closely. And I just, disbelief. No way, no way do I feel they were
any way involved in it. Not at all. No.

REPORTER How do you feel they’ve been treated?

SUSAN MOYES
I think, erm, initially it was very supportive. Personally, I think,
probably if they had left the Algarve maybe a month ago, erm, it would
have been treated more favourably, I think.

REPORTER Its difficult to know how to handle that kind of situation from their point of view, though I suppose isn’t it?

SUSAN MOYES
Beggars belief, it beggars belief, yeah. You just don’t want to be in
that situation. But, yeah. I can’t understand the turn of people’s
attitudes towards them. Some being really quite nasty, unfounded and
wrong I think.

REPORTER Have the newspapers got it right in terms
of where they were that evening, I mean the distance from the
restaurant to the apartment and what have you?


SUSAN MOYES
Well, yeah, as the crow flies they are probably about right with the
fifty yards. But in actual fact you have to – its walled off, the pool
and the bar is in a walled area about six foot of wall. So you have to
actually go through a little entrance building out onto the road and
then round to their apartment.


REPORTER And line of sight? Is there any?

SUSAN MOYES
Difficult. They wouldn’t have had vision of the whole of their balcony.
They would have only had the top of it from where they were sitting
because of the wall and because of the flowers on top of the wall.


REPORTER How do you feel about the criticism of the McCann family for leaving their children?

SUSAN MOYES
Harsh, very, very harsh. Hand on heart, we’ve all done something like
that, I think. And erm, no, its just unfortunate. Just a sad,
unfortunate accident.


REPORTER And how do you feel having been,
if you like, being swept along with all this, having been a part of this
story from the start, being there at the time when it all happened. I
suspect as a family you must have talked about this over the dinner
table for weeks and weeks and weeks.

SUSAN MOYES
Yes, we have, we have. And I just can’t get my head around it at all. I
can’t. I can’t understand it and I don’t, I don’t know if it’ll ever be
resolved, really.


REPORTER You are off back to Portugal soon I gather. And how do you think Praia da Luz will be when you get back?

SUSAN MOYES
Yeah, we go back in a couple of weeks and my husband has actually said
for the first time he is going to feel very differently about it. No,
I’m fine about it. I’m fine about it. But yeah, its a shame, its kind of
tainted what is a lovely, lovely spot.

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Post by noddy100 19.05.13 12:43

The bastards have taken her indicates to me that Kate knows those concerned .Sounds like someone she had concerns about or who maybe threatened her if she left them again
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Post by PeterMac 19.05.13 12:51

russiandoll wrote:
re middle age, there are the sticklers for accuracy and given average lifespan of approx 80 yrs, will refer to late 30s to early 40s as middle aged. Others to 50 somethings.
Middle age has a very precise definition.
It is 10 years older then you are yourself ! big grin
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Post by bristow 19.05.13 12:51

noddy100 wrote:The bastards have taken her indicates to me that Kate knows those concerned .Sounds like someone she had concerns about or who maybe threatened her if she left them again
My thoughts too.
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Post by Guest 19.05.13 12:53

Thank you russiandoll, [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] that is what I have been looking for, so judging by that interview/article this may be the witness, the timeline and description the same.
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Post by PeterMac 19.05.13 13:00

russiandoll wrote:bold mine - is this the couple ref to by Express who had a good view of the street and did not see anything?
Back in 2007 Radio Stoke spoke to Susan Moyes who owned an apartment 2 floors above the McCanns holiday rental apartment.
So the story is 6 years old. The witness has been on the files for the past 6 years
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and on and on and on
Not exactly a new line of enquiry then, but perhaps ANACAPA or Holmes II has made the connection between the line of sight from the top floor apartment and the alleged goings on in the street below.
Either way the Express article has probably spoiled Mitchell's pre-lunch snifter.
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Post by russiandoll 19.05.13 13:00

Susan Moyes

We went out on the balcony about
quarter past nine. Everywhere was peaceful, everywhere was lovely. We
then went to bed. We were woken up at half past eleven at night by one
of the friends of the McCanns to say a little girl had been abducted.


so :

how did she know it was a McCann pal?
how did she not hear the patio doors opening and closing during checking between 9.15 and 10 pm? Matt ? if not Kate?
even if she could not see directly down into 5a patio area, it would not be silent would it. and did she not hear the slamming bedroom door if all was peaceful? would that not carry upwards? not even Pamela Fenn ref to a door slam.

peaceful and lovely, so no sound of jemmied forced shutters or even shutters being opened from outside?

off out, au revoir for now !

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Post by russiandoll 19.05.13 13:03

PeterMac wrote:
russiandoll wrote:bold mine - is this the couple ref to by Express who had a good view of the street and did not see anything?
Back in 2007 Radio Stoke spoke to Susan Moyes who owned an apartment 2 floors above the McCanns holiday rental apartment.
So the story is 6 years old. The witness has been on the files for the past 6 years
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and on and on and on
Not exactly a new line of enquiry then, but perhaps ANACAPA or Holmes II has made the connection between the line of sight from the top floor apartment and the alleged goings on in the street below.
Either way the Express article has probably spoiled Mitchell's pre-lunch snifter.



exactly. no line of sight to 5a patio area [ I still maintain the couple would have heard the patio doors]
but a line of sight into the street where Russell, Jane and Matt were allegedly walking to check their respective offspring.

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Post by Lance De Boils 19.05.13 13:08

Well done for digging that out, russiandoll.
It certainly fits with the times of the witnesses on the balcony.
Sounds like the whiskey-drinker could well have been Moyes.
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Post by Pershing36 19.05.13 13:10

Errrmmm, I have no idea what to think at this point. Part of me thinks this is all complete bull.

But another thing in my head about these people who were comforting the child. Just trying to get my head around it. Maybe they were suppose to be in there, and these journeys too and from the apartments from the Tapas bar was more too meet them than check on the children. What on earth could be the reason they had relatively strangers waiting in their rooms I cannot think of. That might be why she used the phrase 'the f**king bastards took her'. That sounds to me like a phrase that would be used if you knew them, however I have no idea how she usually talks.

Of course if this is true apart from stealing children what were they doing in the apartment night after night? Could they be looking for something else? These were doctors and they have have been looking for perscription meds, although it is unlikely to think they would holiday with them on them. Someone might be able to help me out here, didn't they have another family members meds sitting on the bed side table, her fathers if I recall. I always found that really weird, even if they brought it by mistake why unpack it, especially with small children about.

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They walked past apartment 5a but noticed nothing untoward. The woman said in her statement: “I stood on the balcony at about 9.15 with a whisky.

“I saw people eating at the tapas bar and children in the play area. We went to bed at 10pm-ish. We were woken up by our bell ringing at 11.30pm. It was a friend of the McCanns, saying that a little girl had been abducted. The friend asked if we had a computer so they could get the media involved in the search.

“Two police were on the corner of our block, one lady said that off-duty police had come and were searching. We did see single men on mobiles while we were out who could have been police.”

The couple took part in the search for Madeleine and then returned to their apartment.

The woman’s statement continues: “We walked back up towards our apartment, a group had gathered on the corner. The McCanns were in bits, he was crying on the shoulder of a friend. She was screaming: ‘The f*****g bastards have taken her’. Finally, at around 4am, we said: ‘Is it OK if we go to bed?’ We directed this comment towards a man in a white shirt and jeans, who seemed to be authoritative.”

At the couple’s home here, two Yard officers questioned them separately for three hours and got them to sign lengthy statements. They further interviewed them this year to double check their information.

The couple are key because at precisely 9.15pm on May 3, Jane Tanner, a friend of the McCanns, said she left the tapas bar and walked past Gerry, who was talking to holidaymaker Jez Wilkins outside apartment 5a.

Neither Gerry nor Kate said they saw Jane. She reported that she had seen a man carrying a child, believed to be Madeleine, walking across the top of the road.

At the time she had not realised the significance. Officers asked the couple if they saw Jane, Gerry or Jez but they insist they did not.

The Sunday Express has visited the couple’s holiday apartment, which looks over the tapas bar. From its balcony you can see directly into the garden of apartment 5a.

The woman said: “We have one of the best views of the whole block. We are sure of the timings. If we had seen anyone we would have remembered.

“We will continue to answer the Yard’s questions. We have given our fingerprints and DNA. We were happy to assist. They should be left to get on with their inquiries.”

I think this article is simply making mischief. She's not really saying JT or JW weren't there, she's simply saying she didn't see them. And how can she see them, she's on the second floor and her view of anyone on the street/path is blocked by the high wall.

And how is she so sure of her timings, the quote begins "at about 9.15, that could mean 9.00 or 9.30.
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Post by sami 19.05.13 13:29

Pershing36 wrote:Errrmmm, I have no idea what to think at this point. Part of me thinks this is all complete bull.

But another thing in my head about these people who were comforting the child. Just trying to get my head around it. Maybe they were suppose to be in there, and these journeys too and from the apartments from the Tapas bar was more too meet them than check on the children. What on earth could be the reason they had relatively strangers waiting in their rooms I cannot think of. That might be why she used the phrase 'the f**king bastards took her'. That sounds to me like a phrase that would be used if you knew them, however I have no idea how she usually talks.

Of course if this is true apart from stealing children what were they doing in the apartment night after night? Could they be looking for something else? These were doctors and they have have been looking for perscription meds, although it is unlikely to think they would holiday with them on them. Someone might be able to help me out here, didn't they have another family members meds sitting on the bed side table, her fathers if I recall. I always found that really weird, even if they brought it by mistake why unpack it, especially with small children about.


No her fathers prescription meds by the bedside were later filmed in the villa. They were not seen in 5 a.
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Post by margaret 19.05.13 14:11

PeterMac wrote:
russiandoll wrote:
re middle age, there are the sticklers for accuracy and given average lifespan of approx 80 yrs, will refer to late 30s to early 40s as middle aged. Others to 50 somethings.
Middle age has a very precise definition.
It is 10 years older then you are yourself ! big grin

Too right! whistling
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Post by plebgate 19.05.13 14:20

Smokeandmirrors wrote:Waiting with baited breath to see what Clarence/McCanns have to say about two alleged individuals entering their apartment to attend to an alone, crying, distressed child. It's looking a lot less like "naivety" now, isn't it?


If it is not true, will the paper be sued again?
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Post by noddy100 19.05.13 14:21

plebgate wrote:
Smokeandmirrors wrote:Waiting with baited breath to see what Clarence/McCanns have to say about two alleged individuals entering their apartment to attend to an alone, crying, distressed child. It's looking a lot less like "naivety" now, isn't it?


If it is not true, will the paper be sued again?

Where did the story come from I wonder
The police wouldn't divulge this would they?
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Post by Guest 19.05.13 14:53

Lance De Boils wrote:Well done for digging that out, russiandoll. It certainly fits with the times of the witnesses on the balcony. Sounds like the whiskey-drinker could well have been Moyes.
I would like to endorse that comment from LdB, but go further: Hearty congratulations, russiandoll, for the credit you have brought to this forum by single-handedly exposing the 'smoothing a weeping Madeleine' story as the outright con-job this has been by both the Sunday Express AND Scotland Yard.

So, six years ago, talking to Radio Stoke, she did not tell the listeners that she had seen a 'middle-aged couple' entering Apt G5A and 'comforting Madeleine'. And neither has anyone else.

Six years later, we get two additions to her story, one minor:

'whisky glass in hand'

and one major:

'we know of a couple who comforted Madeleine'.

Now that we know that this story of a couple comforting Madeleine is outright lies (a) promoted by the Scotland Yard Review duffers who are trying to cobble something together to make it look like they've earned their £4.6 million and (b) put on the front page of the Sunday Express simply to make money...

...can we please now completley forget about this hocus-pocus non-story and get on to discussing something more sensible.


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Post by Cristobell 19.05.13 15:23

Agree, well done Russian Doll.

However, I am still perplexed. This story doesn't do the McCanns any favours and it makes the neglect issue far more serious. The Express keep sailing very close to the wind with their headlines, particularly as they have already been stung.
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Post by Spaniel 19.05.13 15:25

PeterMac wrote:
Smokeandmirrors wrote:Even more incredible, the McCanns are said to be pleased with recent developments! Ha! Pleased that allegedly two strangers entered their apartment to soothe a very distressed child? Is this for real? Mortified should be what they are right now, that their infant childs distress was enough for two people to ENTER the property of another to soothe a crying tiny child left alone at night!

Even more incredible is that they are pleased their admitted serial abandonment of their children has now been printed in a Sunday newspaper, with all the attendant risk of analysis.
We now have
• Child / ren crying so long and hard that a couple enter the property without permission to see what is going on - ( but then do nothing ?)
• Unlocked and insecure apartment (every night ?)
• Madeleine making complaint about crying (can't be the same incident or she would have said "Why didn't you come, but those other intruders / paedo** / burglars / abductors did"
yet STILL they left the apartment open the following evening, (or evenings)

That is of course assuming that there is something even remotely true about this story.
They don't mind how much they're slated in the comments sections as to leaving their kids alone, in fact I wonder whether this in the Express is to reinforce that even further by a couple wandering in. As long as that door was left open, an abduction is possible.
Remember how a furious GM jumped down the throat of an interviewer when she suggested the children were being checked every 15 minutes?
"Erh, excuse me, every fifteen minutes? We never said that, it was every half hour." Wow! Panic stations as 15 min intervals would give no chance for an abduction, let alone 3 minutes.
That door must remain open, or they are doomed. Better to be known as a negligent parent than the alternative!
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Post by Liz Eagles 19.05.13 15:30

Spaniel wrote:
PeterMac wrote:
Smokeandmirrors wrote:Even more incredible, the McCanns are said to be pleased with recent developments! Ha! Pleased that allegedly two strangers entered their apartment to soothe a very distressed child? Is this for real? Mortified should be what they are right now, that their infant childs distress was enough for two people to ENTER the property of another to soothe a crying tiny child left alone at night!

Even more incredible is that they are pleased their admitted serial abandonment of their children has now been printed in a Sunday newspaper, with all the attendant risk of analysis.
We now have
• Child / ren crying so long and hard that a couple enter the property without permission to see what is going on - ( but then do nothing ?)
• Unlocked and insecure apartment (every night ?)
• Madeleine making complaint about crying (can't be the same incident or she would have said "Why didn't you come, but those other intruders / paedo** / burglars / abductors did"
yet STILL they left the apartment open the following evening, (or evening

That is of course assuming that there is something even remotely true about this story.
They don't mind how much they're slated in the comments sections as to leaving their kids alone, in fact I wonder whether this in the Express is to reinforce that even further by a couple wandering in. As long as that door was left open, an abduction is possible.
Remember how a furious GM jumped down the throat of an interviewer when she suggested the children were being checked every 15 minutes?
"Erh, excuse me, every fifteen minutes? We never said that, it was every half hour." Wow! Panic stations as 15 min intervals would give no chance for an abduction, let alone 3 minutes.
That door must remain open, or they are doomed. Better to be known as a negligent parent than the alternative!

I agree Spaniel, the PR machine can sway the forgiving UK public to 'accept it was a mistake' - especially if you are a couple of doctors.
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Post by Guest 19.05.13 15:31

Cristobell wrote:Agree, well done Russian Doll.

However, I am still perplexed. This story doesn't do the McCanns any favours and it makes the neglect issue far more serious. The Express keep sailing very close to the wind with their headlines, particularly as they have already been stung.
Cristobell, this story

* sells newspapers

* makes Scotland Yard look good.

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Post by Spaniel 19.05.13 15:32

Nina wrote:
margaret wrote:
Smokeandmirrors wrote:Waiting with baited breath to see what Clarence/McCanns have to say about two alleged individuals entering their apartment to attend to an alone, crying, distressed child. It's looking a lot less like "naivety" now, isn't it?

It's blown them off the breakfast sofas, no way I'll they go on TV now and risk being questioned about this neglect!

Are they paid to do these sofa interviews. Nice little earner for a few minutes if they are.
Must be. The family of Tia are coining it in. 2k for4 minutes, if I remember correctly.
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Post by PeterMac 19.05.13 15:41

aquila wrote:
"They don't mind how much they're slated in the comments sections as to leaving their kids alone, in fact I wonder whether this in the Express is to reinforce that even further by a couple wandering in. As long as that door was left open, an abduction is possible.
Remember how a furious GM jumped down the throat of an interviewer when she suggested the children were being checked every 15 minutes?
"Erh, excuse me, every fifteen minutes? We never said that, it was every half hour." bWow! Panic stations as 15 min intervals would give no chance for an abduction, let alone 3 minutes.
That door must remain open, or they are doomed. Better to be known as a negligent parent than the alternative!"
I agree Spaniel, the PR machine can sway the forgiving UK public to 'accept it was a mistake' - especially if you are a couple of doctors.
Technically Gerry was right.
It was Tanner who said every 15 minutes
Witness Statement of Jane Michelle Tanner 4th May 2007
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id261.html#tap2
At about 21h00 her husband arrived at the restaurant, having got E**e to sleep. For this reason and because Fiona, David and Diane only arrived at about 21h00, the dinner, reserved for 20h30, only began after 21h00.
Normally, every 15 minutes a member from each apartment would go and check the bedrooms of the respective children to see if everything was all right.

Since it takes a good three or even four minutes to go from the Tapas bar to the upper floor apartment, then let yourself in "using your key", check the children and come back, there can have been only another four or five minutes before the other partner had to do exactly the same thing !
Not surprising they changed it to 30 minutes.
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Post by Guest 19.05.13 15:57

Smokeandmirrors wrote:Waiting with baited breath to see what Clarence/McCanns have to say about two alleged individuals entering their apartment to attend to an alone, crying, distressed child. It's looking a lot less like "naivety" now, isn't it?
It never happened; 'russiandoll' has blown this story apart by showing us that this is a statement by Susan Moyes made 6 years ago and now dishonestly re-worked by Scotland Yard and the Sunday Express for their own dishonest purposes.

Scotland Yard was once thought of as the finest police force in the world and the Express still boasts on its masthead that it is 'The World's Greatest Newspaper'.

Not any more they aren't.

The Sunday Express can't tell the difference between a flight of evacuees from a bomb threat in Ibiza and Madeleine being seen on an airport runway in Rio de Janeiro.

Now they can't tell the difference between a genuine, significant new story supposedly unearthed by the dedicated work of a crack Scotland Yard Team which might help to solve the complete mystery of Madeleine McCann...

...and a 6-year-old, sexed-up, fabricated tale of nonsense which is a calculated insult to the Express's readers.

And to think that many of the Sunday Express's million or so readers will actually believe this utter bilge
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Post by Liz Eagles 19.05.13 16:03

MJC wrote:
Smokeandmirrors wrote:Waiting with baited breath to see what Clarence/McCanns have to say about two alleged individuals entering their apartment to attend to an alone, crying, distressed child. It's looking a lot less like "naivety" now, isn't it?
It never happened; 'russiandoll' has blown this story apart by showing us that this is a statement by Susan Moyes made 6 years ago and now dishonestly re-worked by Scotland Yard and the Sunday Express for their own dishonest purposes.

Scotland Yard was once thought of as the finest police force in the world and the Express still boasts on its masthead that it is 'The World's Greatest Newspaper'.

Not any more they aren't.

The Sunday Express can't tell the difference between a flight of evacuees from a bomb threat in Ibiza and Madeleine being seen on an airport runway in Rio de Janeiro.

Now they can't tell the difference between a genuine, significant new story supposedly unearthed by the dedicated work of a crack Scotland Yard Team which might help to solve the complete mystery of Madeleine McCann...

...and a 6-year-old, sexed-up, fabricated tale of nonsense which is a calculated insult to the Express's readers.

And to think that many of the Sunday Express's million or so readers will actually believe this utter bilge

Good post MJC. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

Well this article has probably stymied the periodic 'sightings' in the run-up to the holiday season (the record had to change). Who's going to buy
all those holiday packs now? Will we have sightings of UK cleaners in
white vans? Will holidaymakers be hanging back in their apartments to
check out the cleaner? Will middle-aged holiday couples be stared at?

Perhaps
it would help if a full DNA profile of all middle-aged couples, UK
cleaners and anyone owning a white van is submitted forthwith to
eliminate them from enquiries.
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Post by Smokeandmirrors 19.05.13 16:21

MJC wrote:
Smokeandmirrors wrote:Waiting with baited breath to see what Clarence/McCanns have to say about two alleged individuals entering their apartment to attend to an alone, crying, distressed child. It's looking a lot less like "naivety" now, isn't it?
It never happened; 'russiandoll' has blown this story apart by showing us that this is a statement by Susan Moyes made 6 years ago and now dishonestly re-worked by Scotland Yard and the Sunday Express for their own dishonest purposes.

Scotland Yard was once thought of as the finest police force in the world and the Express still boasts on its masthead that it is 'The World's Greatest Newspaper'.

Not any more they aren't.

The Sunday Express can't tell the difference between a flight of evacuees from a bomb threat in Ibiza and Madeleine being seen on an airport runway in Rio de Janeiro.

Now they can't tell the difference between a genuine, significant new story supposedly unearthed by the dedicated work of a crack Scotland Yard Team which might help to solve the complete mystery of Madeleine McCann...

...and a 6-year-old, sexed-up, fabricated tale of nonsense which is a calculated insult to the Express's readers.

And to think that many of the Sunday Express's million or so readers will actually believe this utter bilge

It is bilge compared to Moyes statements of the time, but do you not think there is an element of SY trying to inch towards a robust re-questioning those that should have been "challenged" about their version earlier on?

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Post by Pershing36 19.05.13 16:22

How dare the media and supporters describe the PJ investigation as 'bungled'.

Like you guys have exposed from the original statements, she never mentioned this 6 years ago and this would have been more than vital in an abduction case.

Why on Earth has she added this to her statement? Is this just a red herring?
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Post by noddy100 19.05.13 16:37

How hard can it be to locate a team of 6 cleaners. One or two may disappear into the ether but 6?????
The only reason I can see them being sought is that they may have cleaned the apartment at the McCanns request
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