Re: Madeleine McCann missing: Kate McCann says she could forgive daughter's abductor

by Guest 17.04.13 22:11

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by suzyjohnson 17.04.13 22:42

What does everyone make of today's news reports that Kate says she can forgive the person who took her daughter? This sounds very odd to me, I have never heard the mother of a missing child say anything like this. Perhaps if you had recovered your child, or you knew the reason someone had taken her then it might be possible to forgive, but when you don't know what had happened, or even know if your daughter was still alive, how could you possibly say that?

She also said that she was very angry with the person who had taken her but that she has got through that stage now. It sounds much more as though she knows the person, knows exactly what happened and has come to terms with it all to me. I think this is about the closest Kate has come to telling.

The other thing which I thought was interesting about this news is that, whatever did happen, for KM to feel anger and forgiveness, then that indicates that someone else was responsible and it wasn't her fault?

The only other explanation I can think is that, this statement is the next step on the McCann's road to recovery (knowing full well what has happened) an explanation of how they have been able to get over things and can now lead a normal life? I just can't believe that anyone could possibly forgive an abductor when they don't know what has happened.

by suzyjohnson 17.04.13 22:48

I've just noticed the same topic under the news section

by Guest 17.04.13 22:52

suzyjohnson wrote:I've just noticed the same topic under the news section

Have merged your topic suzy.

by Guest 17.04.13 23:18

Interesting comments galore!

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No sign of Pam Gurney as far as I can see!

by lj 18.04.13 0:36

also from 2007:

Artigo 138.º

Exposição ou abandono

1 - Quem colocar em perigo a vida de outra pessoa:
a) Expondo-a em lugar que a sujeite a uma situação de que ela, só por si, não possa defender-se; ou
b) Abandonando-a sem defesa, em razão de idade, deficiência física ou doença, sempre que ao agente coubesse o dever de a guardar, vigiar ou assistir;
é punido com pena de prisão de 1 a 5 anos.

2 - Se o facto for praticado por ascendente ou descendente, adoptante ou adoptado da vítima, o agente á punido com pena de prisão de 2 a 5 anos.

3 - Se do facto resultar:
a) Ofensa à integridade física grave, o agente é punido com pena de prisão de 2 a 8 anos;
b) A morte, o agente é punido com pena de prisão de 3 a 10 anos.

Article 138

Exposure or Abandonment

1 - Whom endangers the life of another person:
a) By exposing her in a place where the person is subject to a situation which she cannot defend herself from on her own; or
b) By abandoning her in a defenseless state, for motive of age, physical defect or illness, when the agent had the duty to guard, watch or assist to the person;
is punished with a prison term of 1 to 5 years.

2 - If the fact is practised by an ascendant or descendant, adoptant or adoptee of the victim, the agent is punished with a prison term of 2 to 5 years.

3 - If the fact results in:
a) Serious offense to the physical integrity, the agent is punished with a prison term of 2 to 8 years;
b) Death, the agent is punished with a prison term of 3 to 10 years.

by lj 18.04.13 0:38

art 138 from the penal code.

I think that's a good answer on Gerry's question in my siggy.

by **tigger** 18.04.13 6:04

lj wrote:art 138 from the penal code.

I think that's a good answer on Gerry's question in my siggy.

Interesting, should Maddie have been found, either dead or alive but abused, both or at least one of the parents would be looking at rather more than a two year sentence as Gerry stated in the Vanity Fair interview.
So no happy ending whatever 'happened'.

So glad to see you around! dance

by worriedmum 18.04.13 8:54

Three things occur to me on this subject:

1 What is Kate forgiving, exactly?

2 Is Gerry forgiving too?

3 Is Kate likely to forgive Goncalo Amaral as well-before any court cases?

by pennylane 18.04.13 8:57

Mommie dearest was just on Lorraine!

Can be viewed again on ITV+1 at 09:30 if you have Sky

Damage limitations I reckon, as she isn't scheduled to be on there.....

by Guest 18.04.13 9:15

St Kate has certainly played it safe by talking to Lorraine - never fear, poor mortals who missed the sickfest and don't have Sky, you can watch it tomorrow on the ITV player.

Oh Lorraine, what a fool you're being taken for.

by **PeterMac** 18.04.13 9:21

worriedmum wrote:Three things occur to me on this subject:
1 What is Kate forgiving, exactly?
2 Is Gerry forgiving too?
3 Is Kate likely to forgive Goncalo Amaral as well-before any court cases?

She cannot be forgiving the "abductor, because there wasn't one.
She cannot forgive Gonçalo Amaral, because he has done nothing to forgive.
She cannot forgive TB - ditto.
So we are left with . . . Forgiving Gerry for whatever he did, or organised,

by pennylane 18.04.13 9:33

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:St Kate has certainly played it safe by talking to Lorraine - never fear, poor mortals who missed the sickfest and don't have Sky, you can watch it tomorrow on the ITV player.

Oh Lorraine, what a fool you're being taken for.

She is indeed one hell of a fool! I think a quick phone call was made to get Kate on the show, to try and bail her out of her latest major gaffe Madeleine McCann missing: Kate McCann says she could forgive daughter's abductor - Page 2 867230

Madeleine McCann missing: Kate McCann says she could forgive daughter's abductor - Page 2 867230

They mentioned Kate's new found ability to leave the twins in the car at the petrol station, conveniently omitting that she plonked them back in the creche aged just 2, in the vicinity of, and immediately following, the alleged abduction.

Not a dicky bird was mentioned this morning about Kate's forgiveness of the monster who allegedly took her child. Madeleine McCann missing: Kate McCann says she could forgive daughter's abductor - Page 2 592854

Madeleine McCann missing: Kate McCann says she could forgive daughter's abductor - Page 2 592854

by margaret 18.04.13 10:18

worriedmum wrote:Three things occur to me on this subject:

1 What is Kate forgiving, exactly?

2 Is Gerry forgiving too?

3 Is Kate likely to forgive Goncalo Amaral as well-before any court cases?

IMO we're being set up here.

They are going to pull out of the libel trial against Amaral and when it hits the papers they are going to say that if they can forgive the abductor they must forgive Amaral too and move forward.

If they then get charged with vexatious litigation they will be perfectly placed to become 'victims' of the Portuguese once more.

by jeanmonroe 18.04.13 10:28

Were tears running down her face when she was on the Lorraine show as she BEGGED/PLEADED directly to the 'abductor' to return her daughter?
Offering the 'abductor' absolutely ANYTHING in exchange for her childs safe return.

by tiny 18.04.13 10:39

margaret wrote:
worriedmum wrote:Three things occur to me on this subject:

1 What is Kate forgiving, exactly?

2 Is Gerry forgiving too?

3 Is Kate likely to forgive Goncalo Amaral as well-before any court cases?

IMO we're being set up here.

They are going to pull out of the libel trial against Amaral and when it hits the papers they are going to say that if they can forgive the abductor they must forgive Amaral too and move forward.

If they then get charged with vexatious litigation they will be perfectly placed to become 'victims' of the Portuguese once more.

I am thinking the same here,the mccanns are in the sh**

by margaret 18.04.13 10:53

jeanmonroe wrote:Were tears running down her face when she was on the Lorraine show as she BEGGED/PLEADED directly to the 'abductor' to return her daughter?
Offering the 'abductor' absolutely ANYTHING in exchange for her childs safe return.

Nope. Same as the last 6 years. Madeleine McCann missing: Kate McCann says she could forgive daughter's abductor - Page 2 173510

by tasprin 18.04.13 10:59

Does anyone know from where this latest 'forgiveness' story originated? Was it the Express group or have they just followed up a story that was first published elsewhere?

by Guest 18.04.13 12:33

As I've mentioned before, it certainly isn't a new claim from the sainted one. I don't know whether or not it's in the book but it's been in newspaper articles before. If I can find a link to one, I'll add it later.

P.S. I might be thinking of St Kate's previous proclamation that she prays for the "abductor" rather than forgiving him / her / them.

Let's hope that she now moves on to spread her benevolence to real people.

by tasprin 18.04.13 13:28

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:As I've mentioned before, it certainly isn't a new claim from the sainted one. I don't know whether or not it's in the book but it's been in newspaper articles before. If I can find a link to one, I'll add it later.

Thanks No Fate. I do remember reading some years ago that KM forgave the abductor but I was wondering from which news group this latest round of 'forgiveness' stories actually originated because it does the McCanns no favours particularly as it comes at the same time a little boy was murdered in Boston and his mother and young sister suffered horrific life changing injuries. Unbelievably the Star shoved that family's ordeal to one side in favour of KM's ancient words of forgiveness. Judging from their never ending court cases and the fact they have CR on speed dial for the past six years, she's obviously very selective about who she forgives, although you'd think a paedophile abductor/murderer would be last on her list.

by ShuBob 18.04.13 14:32

margaret wrote:
worriedmum wrote:Three things occur to me on this subject:

1 What is Kate forgiving, exactly?

2 Is Gerry forgiving too?

3 Is Kate likely to forgive Goncalo Amaral as well-before any court cases?

IMO we're being set up here.

They are going to pull out of the libel trial against Amaral and when it hits the papers they are going to say that if they can forgive the abductor they must forgive Amaral too and move forward.

If they then get charged with vexatious litigation they will be perfectly placed to become 'victims' of the Portuguese once more.

You may be on to something there, Margaret Madeleine McCann missing: Kate McCann says she could forgive daughter's abductor - Page 2 234726

by russiandoll 18.04.13 15:33

Kate McCann... Forgive and Forget?...

I just don't understand Kate McCann.

In her latest quest for
martyrdom, she has well and truly put her foot in it. Instead of vowing
passionately to never, ever rest. To hunt this monster down until her
dying day and make him or her suffer, she simply forgives. Huh?!...

Strip away all the Christian and counselling 'forgiveness and move on' rubbish - you are first and foremost a mother and this is her daughter.
Her precious first born. Who, in her own words, may have been taken by
a paedophile. I won't repeat page 129, but how on earth could anyone
forgive that?

Mrs McCann claims to
have no idea where Madeleine is, what she is going through right now or
even if she is still alive. Yet she can forgive?

Never mind the
Portuguese police, Scotland Yard and normal members of the public who
are all looking for her daughter. Never mind the donations, reward
money and aid they've received. Never mind the endless pot of money
that's been thrown into the search and investigation. Never mind the
fact that many people have followed this case for 6 long years (or however many years!!!), hoping for nothing but justice for Madeleine and for her to be found.

We're not all internet
nutters, sitting behind a computer screen, typing abuse. Some of us are
parents and simply feel that the victim in this case is not Mr or Mrs
McCann, but little Madeleine herself. It's not up to Kate McCann to
forgive anyone, it's Madeleine who should be forgiving.

Right enough, it all
becomes irrelevant when you learn about Eddie, the cadaver dog and the
many places where he sniffed out the scent of death.

by aiyoyo 18.04.13 16:25

The question they should be asking themselves is: will Madeleine forgive them?

“Living in limbo with this void and uncertainty is truly dreadful. It’s hard to rest, to find peace. It’s unsettling and uncomfortable all the time. Even on a 'good’ day, that feeling is lurking. And of course you can never stop until you know; you’re on a treadmill you can’t get off. It’s draining. Until you know, there is no true peace. We need to know for us and we need to know for Sean and Amelie so that, God forbid, in another 10 years or so they don’t have to cope with this distressing limbo, too.”

It appears she is saying she is living in hell, not knowing, a hugh void in her life, and until she knows there is no peace, yet at the same time she's saying she forgives Maddie's snatcher. It does not make sense at all what she said.
Seriously this woman needs to be institutionalised.

by ShuBob 18.04.13 17:13

I've said it before and I'll say it again, IMO Kate is not a well woman. I also believe she wasn't well prior to Maddie's disappearance.

by aiyoyo 19.04.13 7:15

What would be interesting to know is who was behind air time for her - was it kate's or tv station's idea?

It seems a controlled interview where interviewers were cautioned in advance about the types of questions they can ask - ie can only ask about the marathon, not about Maddie or the Review. Neither side has any personal message to Madeleine...zilch, zero, nothing......It's as if kate is running for a phantom child.

by jowie 19.04.13 8:25

I agree aiyoyo, the interview was based around the charity that she is running for. Even KM said herself that, although she always thought of Madeleine, she was running the marathon for all missing persons. Sickening comment! If I was running a marathon for missing persons, and I had a missing family member or friend, I would be promoting that missing person first and foremost. Also and I can't remember the exact question now but she was being asked about the safety of Sean and Amelie and she said something, quite flippantly, like "... however many year's it has been" ( since the disappearance of Madeleine) well I was disgusted at that - if my child had been abducted, or even missing of their own accord, I would be able to say instantly, how many years, weeks, days and minutes they had been missing out of my life! I wouldn't come out with the comment " however many years" !!

I always said that I didn't hate the McCanns as I didn't know them but my goodness I hate listening to what spews out of their mouths!

by russiandoll 19.04.13 13:22

I was unaware Kate was due on tv, saw it by accident. For a few reasons this particular one provoked a visceral response of what I can only call disgust. There was a preface to this on Tuesday morning, when ITV was on in the background while I was busy. I heard a lengthy report on the Boston bombings, followed by what I think in the trade is called a segue, into the next item. I was appalled that in the light of the previous night's events, when the programme's producer/s had plenty of time to re-jig the running order of the show.... there was a bright and breezy announcement, full of smiles, by the presenter [ who might well have been LK] that the entertainment presenter would be bringing us the latest on the alleged split between Ozzy and Sharon Osbourne, then he would be telling us about a new naked dance craze which could overtake gangnam stle in the youtube charts !

Back to the K/LK interview and my disgust. Mentioning Boston in conjunction with the London event seemed natural, but whether it was LK or K who decided it was an idea to link London to Boston [ and whoever decided it, it must have been discussed prior to going ahead], what LK should not have done is mention the McCann children being at the finishing line. Given that a child died as his father finished the Boston race, that his sister lost a leg and his mother sustained a brain injury, I found it crass, insensitive and the cheapest of cheap shots to use this incident to promote Kate McCann's courage. There was enough of that with the mention of her achilles problem and her maybe having to crawl to the finish line according to Lorraine. Plus the fact that she was not pulling out due to Boston events.
LK is an appalling interviewer, and Kate would be well advised to give a wide berth to a programme which is the equivalent of trash magazines like " take a break "and "chat "

by **tigger** 19.04.13 13:39

russiandoll wrote:I was unaware Kate was due on tv, saw it by accident. For a few reasons this particular one provoked a visceral response of what I can only call disgust. There was a preface to this on Tuesday morning, when ITV was on in the background while I was busy. I heard a lengthy report on the Boston bombings, followed by what I think in the trade is called a segue, into the next item. I was appalled that in the light of the previous night's events, when the programme's producer/s had plenty of time to re-jig the running order of the show.... there was a bright and breezy announcement, full of smiles, by the presenter [ who might well have been LK] that the entertainment presenter would be bringing us the latest on the alleged split between Ozzy and Sharon Osbourne, then he would be telling us about a new naked dance craze which could overtake gangnam stle in the youtube charts !

Back to the K/LK interview and my disgust. Mentioning Boston in conjunction with the London event seemed natural, but whether it was LK or K who decided it was an idea to link London to Boston [ and whoever decided it, it must have been discussed prior to going ahead], what LK should not have done is mention the McCann children being at the finishing line. Given that a child died as his father finished the Boston race, that his sister lost a leg and his mother sustained a brain injury, I found it crass, insensitive and the cheapest of cheap shots to use this incident to promote Kate McCann's courage. There was enough of that with the mention of her achilles problem and her maybe having to crawl to the finish line according to Lorraine. Plus the fact that she was not pulling out due to Boston events.
LK is an appalling interviewer, and Kate would be well advised to give a wide berth to a programme which is the equivalent of trash magazines like " take a break "and "chat "

Celebrities generally don't cart their children around at large public events. Kate Blanchet, Hugh Grant etc. leave their children safely at home because there will always be one idiot in the crowd.
Not only that, all and sundry will be able to take photographs of the twins! That is serious - don't the McCanns have a duty to keep their children safe?

They've learned nothing - the mods here are more vigilant and careful not to expose the twins to publicity than their parents.
Imo that is using your children in order to increase your popularity - never been able to let go of that celebrity status, have you Kate?

by russiandoll 19.04.13 13:57

Given that the Star said front page today Kate fears for twins after she got a death threat I am surprised they will be there. This was not an issue discussed with LK. It is the linking of the McCanns and danger due to Boston that made me feel disgusted. LK or the show's producers as soon as this link was discussed, should have said that was a step too far, the children at the finishing line question , given the Boston tragedy .

by Newintown 20.04.13 12:48

russiandoll wrote:I was unaware Kate was due on tv, saw it by accident. For a few reasons this particular one provoked a visceral response of what I can only call disgust. There was a preface to this on Tuesday morning, when ITV was on in the background while I was busy. I heard a lengthy report on the Boston bombings, followed by what I think in the trade is called a segue, into the next item. I was appalled that in the light of the previous night's events, when the programme's producer/s had plenty of time to re-jig the running order of the show.... there was a bright and breezy announcement, full of smiles, by the presenter [ who might well have been LK] that the entertainment presenter would be bringing us the latest on the alleged split between Ozzy and Sharon Osbourne, then he would be telling us about a new naked dance craze which could overtake gangnam stle in the youtube charts !

Back to the K/LK interview and my disgust. Mentioning Boston in conjunction with the London event seemed natural, but whether it was LK or K who decided it was an idea to link London to Boston [ and whoever decided it, it must have been discussed prior to going ahead], what LK should not have done is mention the McCann children being at the finishing line. Given that a child died as his father finished the Boston race, that his sister lost a leg and his mother sustained a brain injury, I found it crass, insensitive and the cheapest of cheap shots to use this incident to promote Kate McCann's courage. There was enough of that with the mention of her achilles problem and her maybe having to crawl to the finish line according to Lorraine. Plus the fact that she was not pulling out due to Boston events.
LK is an appalling interviewer, and Kate would be well advised to give a wide berth to a programme which is the equivalent of trash magazines like " take a break "and "chat "

Well, it just shows that the McCanns have stooped to an all-time low in their never ending craving for publicity and money, aided and abetted by K's forever "bestest" friend LK, who hasn't got a single brain cell between her ears.

For KM to whine about the safety of the twins and then to tell the whole nation that they will be at the finishing line beggers belief, she can't have it both ways although she thinks she can as she is never questioned about her stupid statements by her sycophantic interviewers. She truly is a sandwich short of a picnic. I think someone should have a quiet word in her ear before she's carted off by men in white coats.

Madeleine McCann missing: Kate McCann says she could forgive daughter's abductor