Investigator ensures that Maddie's body in the backyard of Murat

A Talbot ...? Gosh, life's not easy on here for a non-native English speaker ;-)
A Talbot as in an extinct white hounding dog?
A Talbot as in an extinct automobile marque?

And ... "hang a calfskin on those recreant limbs" ...

I beg of you, Portia, do enlighten me

English is my only language and I don't understand either!

Oooof, thank you, Jean.
Sometimes I really doubt my educational upbringing

I hope you were not referring to me Portia.............

Dictionary entry overview: What does recreant mean?

• RECREANT (noun)
The noun RECREANT has 2 senses:

1. an abject coward
2. a disloyal person who betrays or deserts his cause or religion or political party or friend etc.


Familiarity information: RECREANT used as a noun is rare.




• RECREANT (adjective)
The adjective RECREANT has 2 senses:

1. having deserted a cause or principle
2. lacking even the rudiments of courage; abjectly fearful

Portia wrote:

candyfloss wrote:I see no questions being answered again, and no explanations as to why the excellent cadaver dogs failed to detect anything. I would suggest that either you answer members questions, or you will be politely shown the door. Again!!

A Talbot, a Talbot!

And -while you're at it, CF: hang a calfskin on those recreant limbs!

Portia, your posts are traditionally so erudite. Here you have me flummoxed. Please do translate your post into English, as spoken by the common man.

It's from Shakespeare but I'm none the wiser.

http://shakespeare.mit.edu/john/john.3.1.html

Jean wrote:It's from Shakespeare but I'm none the wiser.

http://shakespeare.mit.edu/john/john.3.1.html

I think it refers to someone being a cowardly trouble maker? not CF but someone else IMO of course.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talbot_%28dog%29


http://shakespeare.mit.edu/john/john.3.1.html

. Looks to me that Portia means he is a wolf in sheeps clothing or to put it better, he is an imposter posing as a more successful person than he is.

Snifferdog wrote:A talbot can also mean a bandit.

I used to have a Talbot Horizon car, but I don't think that's got anything to do with it.

Newintown wrote:

Snifferdog wrote:A talbot can also mean a bandit.

I used to have a Talbot Horizon car, but I don't think that's got anything to do with it.

http://jdtalb77.tripod.com/talbott/id1.html

Talbot,
Talbert, Talbott (Eng.) descendants of Talbot (to cut fagots); the
pillager of bandits. Tolbert, Tolbart Eng. variants
of Talbot. Variation of the name
Talbot. A bandit from Ofr Talebot - a nickname for robbers who blacked
their faces to avoid
recognition, Talebot meaning
'lampblack,' 'pot-black' in the dialect of Normandy. Talbot, Talbott,
Talbut - Bapt. 'the son
of Talbot.'

Jean wrote:It's from Shakespeare but I'm none the wiser.

http://shakespeare.mit.edu/john/john.3.1.html

Quite close, Jean, hats off!

A Talbot, isn't if from Henry IV, signalling a traitor having slipped into the closely guarded friendly camp?
I'll try to find out. I learned this by heart in 1966 or thereabouts.

And hang a calfskin on those recreant limbs:
Hamlet at his most witty cuts or cutting whits?
I stand corrected if I'm wrong.

Funny, how things remembered from before the Flood slip into place, when the assocication with things present overwhelmes one, isn't it?

NB: (Before) the Flood: a Tsunami, as in: Crete, Krakatow, St. Elisabethstide; Escaut (1953)

Ok now?

LEACHATE wrote:This Forum has the capabilty of playing an important part in recovering MADELEINE MC CANN'S remains. You think about that for one moment.

The last thing I ever want to do is undermne this Forum. Members of this forum have more cumalative knowledge on this case then Scotland yard.

Together I am confident we can recover MADELEINE'S remains...............

Your credibility started off at a low point then fell away. First you refused to explain your theory as to how MM got to be under Murat's drive then you suggested that her parents had been set up.

Gedoutahere!

AM I GOING TO ENJOY RUBBING YOUR NOSES IN IT WHEN MADDIE IS EXHUMED - DID DADDY BUY THAT COMPUTER FOR YOU - AND SNIFFER DOG, MAYBE YOU HAVE A FETTISH FOR SMELLS HAHAHA AND NOT THE CASE........

FOR ALL THE IDIOT ON THE FORUM, YOU BURY A CHILD THEN YOU BUILD A DRIVEWAY OVER HER - YOU DO NOT BUILD THE DRIVEWAY FIRST - WHERE YOU KIDS FROM - DOFVILLE

LEACHATE wrote:FOR ALL THE IDIOT ON THE FORUM, YOU BURY A CHILD THEN YOU BUILD A DRIVEWAY OVER HER - YOU DO NOT BUILD THE DRIVEWAY FIRST - WHERE YOU KIDS FROM - DOFVILLE

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When I just read this, I thought I should give you some slack as there may be some time difference between us and you on your 3rd glass of whatever. But no, you've the same time as us on the "continent". So what are you on at this time of the day? Trouble? With all due respect [for someone I don't know]: you're an idiot, a WUM, a paid troll ... what else ... ?

LEACHATE wrote:FOR ALL THE IDIOT ON THE FORUM, YOU BURY A CHILD THEN YOU BUILD A DRIVEWAY OVER HER - YOU DO NOT BUILD THE DRIVEWAY FIRST - WHERE YOU KIDS FROM - DOFVILLE

Oh dear, another tit bites the dust.NEXT.

Châtelaine wrote:

LEACHATE wrote:FOR ALL THE IDIOT ON THE FORUM, YOU BURY A CHILD THEN YOU BUILD A DRIVEWAY OVER HER - YOU DO NOT BUILD THE DRIVEWAY FIRST - WHERE YOU KIDS FROM - DOFVILLE

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When I just read this, I thought I should give you some slack as there may be some time difference between us and you on your 3rd glass of whatever. But no, you've the same time as us on the "continent". So what are you on at this time of the day? Trouble? With all due respect [for someone I don't know]: you're an idiot, a WUM, a paid troll ... what else ... ?

Candyfloss, dear, get rid of this idiot, Cheat, whatsit.

Portia wrote:

Châtelaine wrote:

LEACHATE wrote:FOR ALL THE IDIOT ON THE FORUM, YOU BURY A CHILD THEN YOU BUILD A DRIVEWAY OVER HER - YOU DO NOT BUILD THE DRIVEWAY FIRST - WHERE YOU KIDS FROM - DOFVILLE

***
When I just read this, I thought I should give you some slack as there may be some time difference between us and you on your 3rd glass of whatever. But no, you've the same time as us on the "continent". So what are you on at this time of the day? Trouble? With all due respect [for someone I don't know]: you're an idiot, a WUM, a paid troll ... what else ... ?

Candyfloss, dear, get rid of this idiot, Cheat, whatsit.

Portia, dear, he's gone. He went straight after that outburst, he was politely shown the door

Ag toe nou Leech hate youv'e surely got your knickers in a knot. I shall wear your insult proudly like a badge. IMO you are the Reel Deel Birch. You have used an Afrikaans South African expression DOF. I did not trust you and I was right not to. I would love to know if and/or how much you were paid

candyfloss wrote:

Portia wrote:

Châtelaine wrote:

LEACHATE wrote:FOR ALL THE IDIOT ON THE FORUM, YOU BURY A CHILD THEN YOU BUILD A DRIVEWAY OVER HER - YOU DO NOT BUILD THE DRIVEWAY FIRST - WHERE YOU KIDS FROM - DOFVILLE

***
When I just read this, I thought I should give you some slack as there may be some time difference between us and you on your 3rd glass of whatever. But no, you've the same time as us on the "continent". So what are you on at this time of the day? Trouble? With all due respect [for someone I don't know]: you're an idiot, a WUM, a paid troll ... what else ... ?

Candyfloss, dear, get rid of this idiot, Cheat, whatsit.

Portia, dear, he's gone. He went straight after that outburst, he was politely shown the door

Amazing, the lenghts these people will go to.

No class.

If this guy really is the person with a successful business in South Africa, heaven only knows how he managed to achieve what he has.

I am however having difficulty in reconciling his ramblings here with the interviews he has given.

Jean wrote:If this guy really is the person with a successful business in South Africa, heaven knows how he managed to achieve what he has.

Yes Jean I agree. I did not see Mr Birch on U Tube etc so can't comment there. I do think that one can do quite a lot with an internet link such as linkedin and similar places, not my forte though so surmising. They look somewhat sham to me, like an empty shell. There is a genuine property broker named Micheal Birch Property Organization which has a website etc. Leachate/Birch says Micheal Birch is his younger brother by five years but don't believe him. Leachate is from South Africa and/or is familiar with the word 'Dof' which translates as slang for stupid. Imo Leachate is either a South African troll or Birch himself.

[quote="Jean"]Link to radio interview with Stephen Birch.

http://soundcloud.com/2oceansvibe-com/stephen-birch-13Sept2012

Snifferdog, are you able to access this radio interview? He doesn't come across as being a buffoon in the way that he does on the forum.

[quote="Jean"]

Jean wrote:Link to radio interview with Stephen Birch.

http://soundcloud.com/2oceansvibe-com/stephen-birch-13Sept2012

Snifferdog, are you able to access this radio interview? He doesn't come across as being a buffoon in the way that he does on the forum.

Thank you for the link Jean! Yes I see it works! While I was listening to it I decided to join cloud and the interview cut out. I shall listen to the interview in full tomorrow morning with an open mind and let you know what I think for what its worth.

It's a shame that someone asking for volunteers to help post up link on facebook is giving the boot so quickly without giving him benefit of doubt. I agree he could have asked nicely There's no harm in what he was asking IMO. People only have to say "NO" if they cant be of help.

Stephen Birch naturally must be v frustrated no authority takes him seriously.
He wants to be proven wrong about his claim and the only way to do that is to dig. I see nothing wrong with that.
He's right that the mccanns' lacking in enthusiaism reaction is curious to say the least.
For a pair of parents searching for their missing daughter it is an odd reaction.
Imagine here's someone, a stranger, who took so much interest in finding your daughter and who spent a substantial amount of his own money doing that, you would have thought the mccanns would be grateful and would lobby for the Portuguese to dig.
Especially when you think about it, when Murat was made arguido kate said she wanted to kill him, so where's that hatred for Madeleine's perpetrator gone? Her daughter is still missing and it's not realistic to insist that Maddie has met no harm.

But, no, when it comes to Birch's claim they said they trust the UK and Portuguese Police's judgement, so why didn't they trust the same two authorities where the CSI claim was concerned. No surprise the mccanns are selective, they will support only claim that suits their agenda,

Although I find it hard to reconcile Birch's claim when the the dogs didn't mark it, I am nonetheless curious why the tarmac was laid post Maddie's disappearance. Is that just another freaky coincidence?

How many other tarmacs have been laid in PdL or just around the OC since Maddie's disappearance? What about new building projects? I think it's reached the stage where every single thing is viewed with suspicion as far as this case is concerned. I am guilty of that too. I think we sometimes need to step back and take a reality check.

aiyoyo wrote:It's a shame that someone asking for volunteers to help post up link on facebook is giving the boot so quickly without giving him benefit of doubt. I agree he could have asked nicely There's no harm in what he was asking IMO. People only have to say "NO" if they cant be of help.

Stephen Birch naturally must be v frustrated no authority takes him seriously.
He wants to be proven wrong about his claim and the only way to do that is to dig. I see nothing wrong with that.
He's right that the mccanns' lacking in enthusiaism reaction is curious to say the least.
For a pair of parents searching for their missing daughter it is an odd reaction.
Imagine here's someone, a stranger, who took so much interest in finding your daughter and who spent a substantial amount of his own money doing that, you would have thought the mccanns would be grateful and would lobby for the Portuguese to dig.
Especially when you think about it, when Murat was made arguido kate said she wanted to kill him, so where that hatred for Madeleine perpetrator gone? Her daughter is still missing/

But, no, when it comes to Birch's claim they said they trust the UK and Portuguese Police's judgement, so why didn't they trust the same two authorities where the CSI claim was concerned. No surprise the mccanns are selective, they will support only claim that suits their agenda,

Although I find it hard to reconcile Birch's claim when the the dogs didn't mark it, I am nonetheless curious why the tarmac was laid post Maddie's disappearance. Is that just another freaky coincidence?

Aiyoyo you are perhaps correct, and perhaps Jean was also thinking along these lines though I cannot speak for her. I have gotten out of bed again as this is bothering me and was busy sending a pm about this to Jean when I saw your post. Jean sent me a link on Stephen Birch and I listened to the first part. I am coming to the conclusion that Leachate and Stephen Birch are one and the same person because of the slang word used as I mentioned earlier. I agree that he got fed up which turned the chat sour. Looking back he did not say that we must dig, but that we should get the Pj to dig by creating a huge awareness and resultant public outcry. I can also see that he could become very frustrated as he has spent a lot of time and money with no way forward.

LEACHATE wrote:I need 50 Volunteers to CUT AND PASTE the Link below into the Facebook message box of any 50 people living in Britian..........that's it.

It will go viral - I,ve already got people posting -enough posts and teh UK Press will force the Portuguese to dig.

That child is coming out of that driveway, one way or another, you can sit behind your computer making snared remarks, or you can be part of the solution.

I am looking for volunteers.

Here's the link...cut and paste it and let's knock the crap out of "The Sun", Clarence Mitchell, Matthew Freud and Sir Rupert Murdoch COVERUP..................



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/20/madeleine-mccann-update_n_1898023.html?fb_action_ids=424987664225128&fb_action_types=og.recommends&fb_source=timeline_og&action_object_map={%22424987664225128%22%3A303755806397966}&action_type_map={%22424987664225128%22%3A%22og.recommends%22}&action_ref_map

MAKE IT HAPPEN PEOPLE- DON'T TALK ABOUT IT - DO IT

Well here is the link from Leachate. I think everyone can decide for themselves what to do. This way it will not reflect on this forum at all. Goodnight!

I'm sorry he's not posting anymore simply because he was bringing first hand news, not often we get that.

He is frustrating however when he won't answer simple questions, such as the construction of the path. After all, a simple gravel path as I described earlier could be laid over a weekend. Birch though mentioned tarmac which not only would require a contractor, but is pointless if topped with gravel.

So is it a tarmac path or gravel? Did Murat lay it or a firm? I suppose now we'll never know.

ShuBob wrote:How many other tarmacs have been laid in PdL or just around the OC since Maddie's disappearance? What about new building projects? I think it's reached the stage where every single thing is viewed with suspicion as far as this case is concerned. I am guilty of that too. I think we sometimes need to step back and take a reality check.

Are you suggesting he's another team mccanns paid lackey to create confusion?
Otherwise, with no disrespect, I think you are deliberately missing the point altogether - we are not talking about any tarmac drive, and you know it.

Alright, even if we put aside Murat's paved drive, coincidentally put in after Maddie's fate, and after the dogs had been through the property, and let's just say another pure coincidence that the patch chosen for paving over happens to have something buried underneath. As I said earlier maybe it is just freaky coincidence and nothing else but it would still be good to know what laid underneath if only to put Stephen Birch's claim to bed once and for all. Especially when we consider the controversies surrounding Murat, bearing in mind also his unexplained mysterious meeting with a certain window-frames maker.

If we think about it - he was framed, he was going to sue them but that didnt happen, his phone forensics activity coincides with that of Gerry for a certain period, not forgetting his evolving statements which contained a series of lies - regardless of all these he came out supporting the mccanns despite the hell they put him through and despite Kate expressing desire to kill him..
.I think it's fair to say Murat's action or lack of against people who put him and his family to hell comes across as more suspicious than S. Birch's claim.

Alright, so Birch's unorthodox method does not sit well with many, but what has the authority got to lose if they do agree to dig up?

Portuguese refusal to dig is primarily because Murat's property had been given a thorough going over with machine and dogs, and nothing found, but IMO there's no harm going over old ground. It has been proven that sometimes what is missed first time round will or can be picked up on subsequent attempt. Not saying this will be the case here. That said, I think the opinions of independent experts from USA (if not to be disregarded totally) mean they add weights to this.

Tin hat on, it may not be beyond the realm of possibility that Maddie was moved there as final resting place, after dogs and machines had been and gone. Think about it - the safest place is often the most obvious. The mccanns are very confident (over confident in fact) that Maddie's remains will never be found, so I wont put it pass the lying and scheming pair of doctors of being capable of something as hideous as this. Personally I believe nothing is beyond the manipulative pairs when it comes to hiding their crime.

There are different types of ground penetrating radar for different purposes depending which field employs it.
Although we don't know the type of GPR Birch used, but logically speaking one would suppose he'd the sense to use a similar type used by law enforcement ie one that is suitable for detection of clandestine graves or burial evidence.