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A psychic in Texas told police 30 dismembered bodies were hidden on a farm. They investigated – and found nothing. Critics have questioned their judgment – but other police forces have listened to them
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A psychic in Texas told police 30 dismembered bodies were hidden on a farm. They investigated – and found nothing. Critics have questioned their judgment – but other police forces have listened to them
A psychic in Texas told police 30 dismembered bodies were hidden on a farm. They investigated – and found nothing. Critics have questioned their judgment – but other police forces have listened to them
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A psychic in Texas told police 30 dismembered bodies were hidden on a farm. They investigated – and found nothing. Critics have questioned their judgment – but other police forces have listened to them
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- guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 8 June 2011 20.00 BST
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- Are there any dead bodies in there? Photograph: Dimitri Vervitsiotis
When the phone rang at the sheriff's office in Liberty county, Texas, on Tuesday7 June, the call triggered a story that would captivate America's news networks and cause ripples of interest across the world. But it's not every day that the police get a tip-off about 30 dismembered bodies, including children.
After several hours the police called off the search. "There's no crime scene," announced Liberty county judge Craig McNair on live television (pictured). Instead, the police's attention was now focused on arresting the psychic who had twice called in with the revelation.
Much of the debate since has focused on whether the police should have acted on unsolicited "evidence" offered by a psychic. Surely they should only act on "hard" evidence? But the officers involved have said that because there was the possibility of harm to children, they were duty-bound to investigate.
The story poses a question that has long hung over the police: do they ever use psychics to assist them? The routine answer has always been "no" and there seems to be little evidence that they do. But, as this week's case shows, the police are routinely contacted by psychics offering leads, especially during high-profile cases, and sometimes act on the information.
In 2007, for example, Portuguese police said they were following up on leads offered by local psychics in the hunt for Madeleine McCann and had two dossiers of apparent visions and sightings of Madeleine. "We can't put these messages in the bin," said chief inspector Olegario Sousa. "We must check them all in case it might be from the kidnapper." Similarly, the police received tip-offs from psychics during the hunts for Peter Sutcliffe and Ian Huntley.
In 2006, a group called UK Sceptics formally asked every police force if they had ever used a psychic. All the replies were a predictable "no" – except one. The Metropolitan Police admitted that in one case in 1965 a psychic had "played a major part". A 37-year-old haulage operator called Thomas "Ginger" Marks had mysteriously disappeared and Freddie Foreman, a gangster who worked for the Krays, was acquitted of the murder in 1975. But in 2000 he admitted the killing and that Marks's body had been thrown in the sea.
The psychic's involvement is still unclear, but the Met say the case records are stored at the national archives in Kew. All that we know, beyond Foreman's confession, is that no body was ever found and the case is still officially "unsolved".
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/jun/08/police-use-psychics-texas-dead-bodies
- guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 8 June 2011 20.00 BST
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I know something about this subject. But I won't say how. The answer to your question is no. Take the case of Genette Tate, for example, who went missing in 1978. Psychics pestered the police and Genette's parents throughout. None of their "sightings" were any good. Many of these people, as Genette's family will testify, were rather nasty foot-in-the-door types. They're nuisances and timewasters. Genette Tate remains missing to this day. Also, there have been psychics and dowsers involved over the centuries in trying to find King John's jewel collection, which remains unfound.
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i beleive that some people are born with this gift while others pretend to have psyhic ability and use it to make money psychics have in the past located and found a body
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Has anyone ever read the headline "Psychic wins lottery" ?
The problem for the police is that someone may have a genuine tiny scrap of information may not want to say how they got it, and saying it was part of a dream, the answer to a prayer, or psychic power can stop the police probing too deeply into how the information came to them.
The problem for the police is that someone may have a genuine tiny scrap of information may not want to say how they got it, and saying it was part of a dream, the answer to a prayer, or psychic power can stop the police probing too deeply into how the information came to them.
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I don't think Police dismiss them out of hand - they would only refer to them probably if other indications look like they may be pointing in the same direction. But as they would normally be suspicious of someone with information they would necessarily be dubious about how it came to them. However, having said that - no I doubt very much if anyone would be able to predict the lottery numbers simply because the information most psychics receive is via the "emotions" either transmitted at the time of an "event" or residue in and or around the scene of a crime or attached to a personal item.
I don't think Police dismiss them out of hand - they would only refer to them probably if other indications look like they may be pointing in the same direction. But as they would normally be suspicious of someone with information they would necessarily be dubious about how it came to them. However, having said that - no I doubt very much if anyone would be able to predict the lottery numbers simply because the information most psychics receive is via the "emotions" either transmitted at the time of an "event" or residue in and or around the scene of a crime or attached to a personal item.
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i find it a very exciting field and people have different levels of ability i was told i am psychic a very old lady years ago told me and thats when my interest in not only that field but also the paranormal remote viewing dreams etc was born i guess you can call it a 3rd eye.
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If psychics can communicate with dead people, why don't they ask them about heaven and hell and which religion turns out to be the right one?
Personally, I'd use my psychic skills to answer great questions like that - not to pass on platitudes.
Seems that psychic skills are only given to those who ask simple questions
Personally, I'd use my psychic skills to answer great questions like that - not to pass on platitudes.
Seems that psychic skills are only given to those who ask simple questions
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Letterwriter wrote:If psychics can communicate with dead people, why don't they ask them about heaven and hell and which religion turns out to be the right one?
Personally, I'd use my psychic skills to answer great questions like that - not to pass on platitudes.
Seems that psychic skills are only given to those who ask simple questions
I agree that it would be good to be able to ask these sorts of questions but they are, as I said, just like asking for the winning lottery numbers. In truth a psychic doesn't ask questions - they receive information.
In my opinion it's not a "gift" in fact I think it's the opposite. Imagine you receive some information you can do nothing with as most Police/crime investigators rubbish these psychics out of hand. It is usually about a strong emotion - such as death or a great fear - it may be about a young child which is even worse.
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It's interesting that you bring up the Houston case. For years now people have been saying that the war on organized crime in Mexico and the war between cartels have much more death that the 36,000 that I think is the official figure. Many more people have just disappeared. The Mexican government and business men have desperate tried to cover up all these figures but also in this case the internet was unstoppable and little by little the horror comes out.
More and more "fosas" are being found, these are hidden massgraves. Insiders say the government reports about a quarter of the number of bodies found.
In the US some are still saying there is no "spill over" violence, while others ask for more border protection because they say the cartel war is already there. All know the human trafficking and all the kidnappings have not stopped at the border. The expectation is that soon bodies will be found in Texas too. Arizona and New Mexico have already their share of that. In this case it is not clear if someone knows more, or just want to get the bordersecurity issue on the frontpages again. It is clear though it is not just a false alarm, and there is much more to this case than a confused psychic.
Reason I elaborate on this: very often political motivation having nothing to do with the case itself are reason for protection of politicians. That's what happened in the McCann case too, imo. The protection they got has nothing to do with what or who they are, but with politicians who are trying to score a point.
More and more "fosas" are being found, these are hidden massgraves. Insiders say the government reports about a quarter of the number of bodies found.
In the US some are still saying there is no "spill over" violence, while others ask for more border protection because they say the cartel war is already there. All know the human trafficking and all the kidnappings have not stopped at the border. The expectation is that soon bodies will be found in Texas too. Arizona and New Mexico have already their share of that. In this case it is not clear if someone knows more, or just want to get the bordersecurity issue on the frontpages again. It is clear though it is not just a false alarm, and there is much more to this case than a confused psychic.
Reason I elaborate on this: very often political motivation having nothing to do with the case itself are reason for protection of politicians. That's what happened in the McCann case too, imo. The protection they got has nothing to do with what or who they are, but with politicians who are trying to score a point.
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ROSA....
I was reading that website Briansprediction that you gave the link for. Spoooooky, was reading what one of the posters wrote, an Australian tarot reader.... her description in the tarot cards sounds just like Gerry!! apologies inadvance if the text size is off!
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[size=18]''Hi Brian,
With regard to the
Madeleine McCann case: I am a tarot reader from Australia who feels
strongly that psychic information is needed in this case. I have pulled
the Knight of Pentacles card four times in row with regard to
this case (it was literally jumping out of my deck during two shuffles).
Any tarot reader knows that pulling the same card from the deck four
times in a row is a really strong message. What I can read from
this card seems to reinforce some of your material, and I feel compelled
to post it on your site for your reader's attention. There are two ways
I can read this card:
[/size]
1) [size=9]I can "read" a very clear
"personality description" from this card, and I feel strongly that I am
reading the personality of the abductor here: Male, dark hair, dark
eyes, stocky build. Meticulous, terribly thorough, has great staying
power. His methodical nature insists on a detailed plan - not a rough
draft, not a sketch, but blueprints, maps, measurements, even a 3-d
model. This person doesn't rush, and will not be panicked. But is
ruthlessly efficient and meticulous. Takes a comprehensive approach and
spends a lot of time prearing every detail. Is absolutely convinced that
success depends upon thorough and meticulous planning. This person will
be subborn, ruthless, precise. No stone has been left unturned in the
planning and preparation of this abduction. This person knows exactly
what he is doing and has planned it down to the very last detail. [/size]
I was reading that website Briansprediction that you gave the link for. Spoooooky, was reading what one of the posters wrote, an Australian tarot reader.... her description in the tarot cards sounds just like Gerry!! apologies inadvance if the text size is off!
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[size=18]''Hi Brian,
With regard to the
Madeleine McCann case: I am a tarot reader from Australia who feels
strongly that psychic information is needed in this case. I have pulled
the Knight of Pentacles card four times in row with regard to
this case (it was literally jumping out of my deck during two shuffles).
Any tarot reader knows that pulling the same card from the deck four
times in a row is a really strong message. What I can read from
this card seems to reinforce some of your material, and I feel compelled
to post it on your site for your reader's attention. There are two ways
I can read this card:
[/size]
1) [size=9]I can "read" a very clear
"personality description" from this card, and I feel strongly that I am
reading the personality of the abductor here: Male, dark hair, dark
eyes, stocky build. Meticulous, terribly thorough, has great staying
power. His methodical nature insists on a detailed plan - not a rough
draft, not a sketch, but blueprints, maps, measurements, even a 3-d
model. This person doesn't rush, and will not be panicked. But is
ruthlessly efficient and meticulous. Takes a comprehensive approach and
spends a lot of time prearing every detail. Is absolutely convinced that
success depends upon thorough and meticulous planning. This person will
be subborn, ruthless, precise. No stone has been left unturned in the
planning and preparation of this abduction. This person knows exactly
what he is doing and has planned it down to the very last detail. [/size]
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Upsy DaisyUpsy Daisy wrote:ROSA....
I was reading that website Briansprediction that you gave the link for. Spoooooky, was reading what one of the posters wrote, an Australian tarot reader.... her description in the tarot cards sounds just like Gerry!! apologies inadvance if the text size is off!
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[size=18]''Hi Brian,
With regard to the
Madeleine McCann case: I am a tarot reader from Australia who feels
strongly that psychic information is needed in this case. I have pulled
the Knight of Pentacles card four times in row with regard to
this case (it was literally jumping out of my deck during two shuffles).
Any tarot reader knows that pulling the same card from the deck four
times in a row is a really strong message. What I can read from
this card seems to reinforce some of your material, and I feel compelled
to post it on your site for your reader's attention. There are two ways
I can read this card:
[/size]
1) [size=9]I can "read" a very clear
"personality description" from this card, and I feel strongly that I am
reading the personality of the abductor here: Male, dark hair, dark
eyes, stocky build. Meticulous, terribly thorough, has great staying
power. His methodical nature insists on a detailed plan - not a rough
draft, not a sketch, but blueprints, maps, measurements, even a 3-d
model. This person doesn't rush, and will not be panicked. But is
ruthlessly efficient and meticulous. Takes a comprehensive approach and
spends a lot of time prearing every detail. Is absolutely convinced that
success depends upon thorough and meticulous planning. This person will
be subborn, ruthless, precise. No stone has been left unturned in the
planning and preparation of this abduction. This person knows exactly
what he is doing and has planned it down to the very last detail. [/size]
Thankyou for posting that its interesting isnt it this tarot reader has described Gerry i agree with you
so many contributers and from all walks of life
That site is awesome some of the people who have written to Brian are
The Madeleine Foundation
Phil McCann
Susan Healy
You can read all their letters and Brians replies on the site and im sure theres many more familia names its just that the site is enormous im reading my way through like you and spooky yes a amazing collection of photos on the site i know alot of people keep dream diarys on this site you can see why im so happy you enjoy the site
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Hi ROSA,
Yes, he seems to have something I tell you that. If true,that he dreamt the Madeleine scenario (which I do not doubt) prior to it happening then, why is he not (well, so far anyway, I am on page 3) thinking along the lines of the parents are involved. He did write however that they should be jailed for neglect! Yes, I saw one post from Phil McCann, with a basic 'your site is interesting' not but not seen the Susan Healy one yet. I am at the stage where he is offering his services to go out to Praia da Luz but don't know the outcome yet. Also, he is constantly asking 'WHY are the parents not physically searching'...so perhaps he will hit on something soon . It's had me practically glued to the computer, in between running around after my 17 month old daughter, I can't stop reading!!!!
Yes, he seems to have something I tell you that. If true,that he dreamt the Madeleine scenario (which I do not doubt) prior to it happening then, why is he not (well, so far anyway, I am on page 3) thinking along the lines of the parents are involved. He did write however that they should be jailed for neglect! Yes, I saw one post from Phil McCann, with a basic 'your site is interesting' not but not seen the Susan Healy one yet. I am at the stage where he is offering his services to go out to Praia da Luz but don't know the outcome yet. Also, he is constantly asking 'WHY are the parents not physically searching'...so perhaps he will hit on something soon . It's had me practically glued to the computer, in between running around after my 17 month old daughter, I can't stop reading!!!!
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You should try googling Brian Ladd is a fraud / fake and see what comes up.
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The Madeleine Foundation has written to Brians Predictions!!!!!?????? The man is a nutter IMO
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You shouldn't talk about Mr Bennett like that
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Very funny Hotlipshealy
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You know what if Brian does solve it it will be breaking news and his doubters will hang their heads in shameUpsy Daisy wrote:Hi ROSA,
Yes, he seems to have something I tell you that. If true,that he dreamt the Madeleine scenario (which I do not doubt) prior to it happening then, why is he not (well, so far anyway, I am on page 3) thinking along the lines of the parents are involved. He did write however that they should be jailed for neglect! Yes, I saw one post from Phil McCann, with a basic 'your site is interesting' not but not seen the Susan Healy one yet. I am at the stage where he is offering his services to go out to Praia da Luz but don't know the outcome yet. Also, he is constantly asking 'WHY are the parents not physically searching'...so perhaps he will hit on something soon . It's had me practically glued to the computer, in between running around after my 17 month old daughter, I can't stop reading!!!!
Susan Healy is upset about something in her letter to Brian
The McCanns have shown their true colours and even though neglect is a lesser charge it would of been a good start it would of wiped the smiles of their faces and when more serious charges come about no one would of been surprised instead the media have romanced the mccanns played it their way even now 4 yrs on people still feel sorry for the mccanns and beleive the mccann scam
Give your little baby girl a hug from me Upsy Daisy
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Can you copy and paste the letters here please.
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Aww bless you ROSA, thanks I will . She's sitting ripping up napkins to shreds as we speak....
As far as the other site goes, I guess there will always be pros and antis just like this site. You can't have light without dark.
Yes, exactly that, the McCanns at least deserve a sentence for neglect, that is the one huge grievance I have about all of this, they DID neglect their kids and have got away with that! Will post anything else I find that TEAM McSCAM have written as well as you , if I find anything else on Brian's site.
As far as the other site goes, I guess there will always be pros and antis just like this site. You can't have light without dark.
Yes, exactly that, the McCanns at least deserve a sentence for neglect, that is the one huge grievance I have about all of this, they DID neglect their kids and have got away with that! Will post anything else I find that TEAM McSCAM have written as well as you , if I find anything else on Brian's site.
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thanks Upsy Daisy ill post anything i find as well
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Dear Brian
many people have been referring me to your website. It does seem interesting.
phil McCann
reply
Hi Phil,
Thanks and I hope my site can be of some use to you.
Brian
many people have been referring me to your website. It does seem interesting.
phil McCann
reply
Hi Phil,
Thanks and I hope my site can be of some use to you.
Brian
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ROSA, here is another from Philomena McCann,
Original Message From kathy
>HI
Phil, My name is Kathy ((( I am a 28 year old mother of 3 from Ireland,
I have followed madeleine's case closely since that fateful night when
that poor baby was taken from her bed. I cannot express enough the
sympathy i feel for you and your family and of course most of all
madeleine, I along with so many others just wish there was something we
could do to find her. > > I am sorry to annoy you and I'm sure you
get soooo many e-mails about whats going on with madeleine every day,
but i have just been told that the family are planning to sue newspapers
in england and in portugal for negative print, and that the money is to
come from madeleine's fund. I am fully aware this
is none of anyone elses business and is a family matter and decision,
and I am not being nosy, but please tell me that money to sue these
newspapers is not being taken from madeleine's fund, the money i donated
was purely for helping in the search for madeleine, to bring her home,
to leave no stone unturned surely all efforts and energy should be put
into finding madeleine and any legal action could be taken when she
returns home? > > I dont know you or your family and will never
meet you but I feel so much for that little girl and her parents and
siblings, and I for one would sell my house if it would bring her home, I
swear I would, and hate to think our money is being used for legal
action. > > I am looking forward to and am praying for the day I
see the breaking news when madeleine is returned home safe and sound,
but in the meantime I would appreciate if you could reply to me. >
> Many thanks
__________________________________________________________________
Date:
Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:32:19 +0100
From:
"
[size=9]phil mccann" <*******@ecosse.net>
To:
"kathy ****************
Subject:
RE: (none)
Hi
Kathy let me assure you that this is nonsense. The family has no
intention now or in the future of involving ourselves in this futile
type of litigation. Apart from a shameful waste of money it would be a
shocking waste of time and energy that we don't have. I don't care what
the newspapers write about me and let's face it we just have to take the
bad with the good. Phil >=====
Alo, did you notice how Philomena McCann posted a reply just as Brian kept going on that it was weird that no-one was responding to him and that the parents weren't physically searching. Also, how laughable that she says that it's ridiculous and of course they won't sue anyone ...hahahahaaaaaaaaa.... [/size]
Original Message From kathy
>HI
Phil, My name is Kathy ((( I am a 28 year old mother of 3 from Ireland,
I have followed madeleine's case closely since that fateful night when
that poor baby was taken from her bed. I cannot express enough the
sympathy i feel for you and your family and of course most of all
madeleine, I along with so many others just wish there was something we
could do to find her. > > I am sorry to annoy you and I'm sure you
get soooo many e-mails about whats going on with madeleine every day,
but i have just been told that the family are planning to sue newspapers
in england and in portugal for negative print, and that the money is to
come from madeleine's fund. I am fully aware this
is none of anyone elses business and is a family matter and decision,
and I am not being nosy, but please tell me that money to sue these
newspapers is not being taken from madeleine's fund, the money i donated
was purely for helping in the search for madeleine, to bring her home,
to leave no stone unturned surely all efforts and energy should be put
into finding madeleine and any legal action could be taken when she
returns home? > > I dont know you or your family and will never
meet you but I feel so much for that little girl and her parents and
siblings, and I for one would sell my house if it would bring her home, I
swear I would, and hate to think our money is being used for legal
action. > > I am looking forward to and am praying for the day I
see the breaking news when madeleine is returned home safe and sound,
but in the meantime I would appreciate if you could reply to me. >
> Many thanks
__________________________________________________________________
Date:
Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:32:19 +0100
From:
"
[size=9]phil mccann" <*******@ecosse.net>
To:
"kathy ****************
Subject:
RE: (none)
Hi
Kathy let me assure you that this is nonsense. The family has no
intention now or in the future of involving ourselves in this futile
type of litigation. Apart from a shameful waste of money it would be a
shocking waste of time and energy that we don't have. I don't care what
the newspapers write about me and let's face it we just have to take the
bad with the good. Phil >=====
Alo, did you notice how Philomena McCann posted a reply just as Brian kept going on that it was weird that no-one was responding to him and that the parents weren't physically searching. Also, how laughable that she says that it's ridiculous and of course they won't sue anyone ...hahahahaaaaaaaaa.... [/size]
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[ROSA, here is another from Philomena McCann,
Original Message From kathy
>HI
Phil, My name is Kathy ((( I am a 28 year old mother of 3 from Ireland,
I have followed madeleine's case closely since that fateful night when
that poor baby was taken from her bed. I cannot express enough the
sympathy i feel for you and your family and of course most of all
madeleine, I along with so many others just wish there was something we
could do to find her. > > I am sorry to annoy you and I'm sure you
get soooo many e-mails about whats going on with madeleine every day,
but i have just been told that the family are planning to sue newspapers
in england and in portugal for negative print, and that the money is to
come from madeleine's fund. I am fully aware this
is none of anyone elses business and is a family matter and decision,
and I am not being nosy, but please tell me that money to sue these
newspapers is not being taken from madeleine's fund, the money i donated
was purely for helping in the search for madeleine, to bring her home,
to leave no stone unturned surely all efforts and energy should be put
into finding madeleine and any legal action could be taken when she
returns home? > > I dont know you or your family and will never
meet you but I feel so much for that little girl and her parents and
siblings, and I for one would sell my house if it would bring her home, I
swear I would, and hate to think our money is being used for legal
action. > > I am looking forward to and am praying for the day I
see the breaking news when madeleine is returned home safe and sound,
but in the meantime I would appreciate if you could reply to me. >
> Many thanks
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[size=24]Date:
Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:32:19 +0100
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[size=9]phil mccann" <*******@ecosse.net>
To:
"kathy ****************
Subject:
RE: (none)
Hi
Kathy let me assure you that this is nonsense. The family has no
intention now or in the future of involving ourselves in this futile
type of litigation. Apart from a shameful waste of money it would be a
shocking waste of time and energy that we don't have. I don't care what
the newspapers write about me and let's face it we just have to take the
bad with the good. Phil >=====
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Alo,
did you notice how Philomena McCann posted a reply just as Brian kept
going on that it was weird that no-one was responding to him and that
the parents weren't physically searching. Also, how laughable that she
says that it's ridiculous and of course they won't sue anyone
...hahahahaaaaaaaaa....
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Original Message From kathy
>HI
Phil, My name is Kathy ((( I am a 28 year old mother of 3 from Ireland,
I have followed madeleine's case closely since that fateful night when
that poor baby was taken from her bed. I cannot express enough the
sympathy i feel for you and your family and of course most of all
madeleine, I along with so many others just wish there was something we
could do to find her. > > I am sorry to annoy you and I'm sure you
get soooo many e-mails about whats going on with madeleine every day,
but i have just been told that the family are planning to sue newspapers
in england and in portugal for negative print, and that the money is to
come from madeleine's fund. I am fully aware this
is none of anyone elses business and is a family matter and decision,
and I am not being nosy, but please tell me that money to sue these
newspapers is not being taken from madeleine's fund, the money i donated
was purely for helping in the search for madeleine, to bring her home,
to leave no stone unturned surely all efforts and energy should be put
into finding madeleine and any legal action could be taken when she
returns home? > > I dont know you or your family and will never
meet you but I feel so much for that little girl and her parents and
siblings, and I for one would sell my house if it would bring her home, I
swear I would, and hate to think our money is being used for legal
action. > > I am looking forward to and am praying for the day I
see the breaking news when madeleine is returned home safe and sound,
but in the meantime I would appreciate if you could reply to me. >
> Many thanks
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Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:32:19 +0100
[size=9]From:
"
[size=9]phil mccann" <*******@ecosse.net>
To:
"kathy ****************
Subject:
RE: (none)
Hi
Kathy let me assure you that this is nonsense. The family has no
intention now or in the future of involving ourselves in this futile
type of litigation. Apart from a shameful waste of money it would be a
shocking waste of time and energy that we don't have. I don't care what
the newspapers write about me and let's face it we just have to take the
bad with the good. Phil >=====
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Alo,
did you notice how Philomena McCann posted a reply just as Brian kept
going on that it was weird that no-one was responding to him and that
the parents weren't physically searching. Also, how laughable that she
says that it's ridiculous and of course they won't sue anyone
...hahahahaaaaaaaaa....
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Re: Do the police use psychics to help them?
Just seen this.littlepixie wrote:The Madeleine Foundation has written to Brians Predictions!!!!!?????? The man is a nutter IMO
No! I've been The Madeleine Foundation Secretary ever since we began over three years ago and we've never written to or contacted Brian's Predictions/Brian's Dreams.
A few psychics have written to us with their imaginations; they get polite answers, and that's all.
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Philomena McCann is a joke and when people donated their money they would of expected it to be used for the sole purpose of the search for Madeleine and not for legal action.
Thanks for posting that Upsy Daisy that was a good find im still trying to locate the post Susan Healy sent
Thanks for posting that Upsy Daisy that was a good find im still trying to locate the post Susan Healy sent
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There is a person called Rose who has been posting on behalf of Susan Healy (Kate McCann's mother). Rose Howard is the mother of Moira Osbourne who is Kate's cousin. They live in the IOM.
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Thanks ROSA,
It's interesting to see the trend that is forming amongst the posters...they are slowly in their numbers starting to become suspicious of the Drs McCann. Ha!
There is a very interesting section/story from one of the posters who went there just shortly after it happened. he himself had been abducted as a child (or at least says he did). A very interesting read. I should post it really, just if for no other reason to allow people to read a first hand report of someone who actually visited in the early days when the PJ were in control of things, before arguido status. I am sure there are many like these floating around the internet though. This man was met by John McCann and his observations are quite something.
It's interesting to see the trend that is forming amongst the posters...they are slowly in their numbers starting to become suspicious of the Drs McCann. Ha!
There is a very interesting section/story from one of the posters who went there just shortly after it happened. he himself had been abducted as a child (or at least says he did). A very interesting read. I should post it really, just if for no other reason to allow people to read a first hand report of someone who actually visited in the early days when the PJ were in control of things, before arguido status. I am sure there are many like these floating around the internet though. This man was met by John McCann and his observations are quite something.
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Here is the excerpt from the article I mentioned before :-
As we arrive in Luz - we stop at a statue of JESUS - just outside the Ocean Club... We decide to park the car...and
This is the apartment where the McCanns were staying when Madeleine was abducted
take
a walk to the Ocean Club. This whole little village has been affected
by this tragedy, and yet their is a strange kind of tension ... the
receptionist doesnt want us to photograph her - but is at first helpful
and says we should go and see a fellow South African called Pedro- who
works on reception.
One
thing I want to mention here is this... the TV doesnt show ALL the
angles... when you see it first hand ... it is different...
what
I didnt see on the tv reports was the distance and location of the
scene of the crime in relation to the rest of the resort... ie where the
McCanns were eating their meal.
The
next thing I didnt realise is that the OCEAN CLUB is spread out in over
five locations around the village. What that means is that it is a big
concern and not just a small hotel resort with a swimming pool. Pedro
was very helpful but the management seem to shun us. I think they have
had enough of this whole affair - the negative publicity - the "
tourists" coming to praia del luz and asking the
Across the road
This is across the road from where the McCanns were staying. Note the OM sign in the middle of the Ocean Club sign...
same
questions... the media.. the police etc. I did FEEL in my heart they
wanted to get rid of us as quickly as possible. They apparently get bags
of mail every day from all over the world as well as faxes... so they
are probably tired of all the attention... although in a sense it could
have some kind of a morbid attraction to those who like myself have
become fascinated by this case.
I
did sense in my spirit that there is something going on here in this
village... I did not witness with Robin the General Manager - and if I
were on the investigation team I would interrogate him first. -although I
don't have any proof - I just didn't like him. - perhaps it was the way
he spoke-or perhaps the way he totally ignored us...who can say... I
didn't feel right about him... call it a sixth sense.-then again he
could be a stand up guy... who knows... I would however... look into his
backround and give him a lie detector test...just to be sure...!
After we left the reception of the OCEAN CLUB (tel+351 282 78 87 64/ email ocean.club.luz@mail.telepac.pt )we
Rafi showing the still weak security of the Ocean Club
This
probably is the gate where the abductor and Mrs. McCann used to enter
and leave the apartment from .There is NO lock- No Security-nothing. It
is also camoflaged by the bushes but leading straight... [more]
went
to have a look at the complex where the McCann family were eating. What
was not adequately reported on TV was the FACT that the apartment was a good 3 minutes walk...
and the restaurant and swimming pool is surrounded and enclosed by a 6
foot wall... there is only one exit...and one entrance... - with NO CCTV
! -
The
next thing I noticed was that the McCann apartment was on street level
with a side gate accessing directly to the street. Of all the apartments
in the complex it was the one most ideally suited for an abduction...
the others did not have the instant access to the street.
When
Mrs McCann got up from her meal at around 8:45pm and went to check on
the child(9pm -which means it was not totally dark )- she would have had
to walk out of the enclosed complex and turn left... walk around 50
metres to a side gate - go through it, up the stairs and into the back
door of the apartment ...and check on her children sleeping... it was
not as close as reported, nor the fact that there were child minders
available to
Rafi and I posing outside the Catholic Church
This
is where Mrs McCann and others come to pray for Maddy. This is where we
met up with Sandy McCann-Gerry McCanns brother/relative
look
after the kids...- it was close to the restaurant but NOT THAT CLOSE-
and also if you were going to set up an abduction - well... that
apartment would have made the best alibi... - why... because the whole
operation could be executed in the quickest and simplest way possible
with no one seeing. I will come to this a little later...
After
looking around the complex I knocked on the door and a woman answered
it...looking a little peeved - after I said a few words she slammed the
door in my face...
I
waited a little while and again knocked - this time a man answered red
faced saying were on holiday- I'm sick of this - **** off...
I asked him only one question: is this the apartment where the McCanns were staying? - he replied in the affirmative.
I
interviewed a few of the local shop-owners and the general consensus
was that its tragic but they should have been more careful... in other
words they share the responsibility... and well children disappear all
over the world every day... whats so special about Madeleine?... and
this will bring me to the next point and
the coastline-the beach-
This a possible escape route that the abductor could have travelled on if he/she was walking and didnt want to be noticed.
end of this pilgrimage to Praia del luz...
...........................................................................................................................................................
THE CHURCH...the church...
Jesus
said to them, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder
them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these.” (Mark 10,14)
I
left a message for the McCanns at the reception - which thankfully
Pedro gave to SANDY MCCANN... I decided to go to the church..and have a
look... of course this is Portugal...and everyone is Catholic... but
inside the church an unprepared site met my eyes...
it appeared to me that the whole church had been turned into a Shrine for ST. Madeleina.
On
the altar was a candle with Madeliene written on it... - in front on
the left a picture of Madeleine with candles - on the pews yellow and
purple ribbons... the focus very much on the girl...and of course in the
front a golden colored Mother Mary...
I
have been in Lesotho when the pope came to beatify a saint... and I
have visited many churches around the world...of the orhodox as well as
protestant and catholic... but to me this looks like an attempted
beatification -how bizaar... I have
its only corporate rock n roll ...but i like it...
outside the eiffel tower.
also
heard in other parts of the world... midnight vigils are being held
with candles and even icons being painted in honor of Madeleine... and
that is why i need to rebuke the spirit behind this. We did not feel
elcome in praia del luz...nor did we feel the family were really looking
for our help... and thats the truth! We came a long way, we drove 40
hours back to London that night... ! We drove around 12 hours from
Spain. We made the effort. I dont regret it... I just feel this whole
thing has taken on a bizarre out of this world dimension.
I've
seen it happen before... I had a friend in South Africa who lost his
son - he built an altar of remembrance with candles burning night and
day... I dont want to criticise the parents... but the latest deal with
the Rowlings book and the photos everywhere... - its like creating an
idol out of Madeleine..( now Gerry wants to meet with George Bush)...
shall we then start to pray to "Santa Madeleina"? I dont think so!!!
When the natural strength of man is exhausted... then perhaps someone will begin to let go and trust in God.
Everyone
has a different reaction and response to things that happen to them in
life... and the McCanns are under a lot of pressure from all sides...
they need to be discerning and filter out the truth from the lies... yet
why the stoneface ? - in many cultures that would look unnatural.
Both
me and rafi felt that the family are asking for help - yet not willing
to receive it... its as if they are trying repeating a mantra : FIND
MADELEINE , FIND MADELEINE ,FIND MADELEINE, but denying to engage in
actually finding her...We both come out of Praia del Luz with the same
mind... this whole thing is not KOSHER!-ITS NOT HALAAL...!
I
was abducted as a child of 5 years old... I was found after 1 year...
it was a private investigator who found me...- paid for by the English
tabloids... - when it comes to risking your child's life on the police -
who are professional... but not too imaginative... AND you have the
money to HIRE professionals...There are roads that pros can take that
parastatals would not take... well...
I
rest my case... the fact remains... the Portuguese haven't come up with
much so far... neither has Interpol...or Scotland Yard...This latest
reported sighting of a man looking like the suspect Robert Murat will
also turn up nothing...its all conjecture , not facts... find the
motive, and you find Madeleine...
simple as that... and so far the motive has not been found. There are only possibilities...
But let me go on with my diary;
I
started by praying in tongues in the church...asking God for a living
Rhema word.... the word I recieved was this: NOT ONE SPARROW FALLS... !
the phone immediately rang... it was Sandy... I said I felt I could help
and would he meet up with us... I said I was at the Nossa Senor
Church...
I
went for a short swim in the sea... and then met up with him... he
looked like a runner, slightly built ... short , quiet and reserved... I
spoke briefly what I thought... Rafi tried to introduce his occultic
friend from Israel... I believe that this is the reason why Christians
need to get involved in such a high profile case... why?- because we
need to show that the occultists do not have greater spiritual power
than the master - JESUS... for HE IS Lord of Lords and King of Kings
amen.
Most
certainly will I challenge any occultist to "find madeleine.".. I
believe it will be the HAND of God that will find her... - it all
depends how the media will try to twist things to sell more papers...
certainly they have made a lot of money out of this madeleine
business... and a business it has become...
This
is the biggest child abduction case in human history and it has become
almost a competition... which god will will win the race to say : it was
our god that found her...
Well as a believer in JESUS... I challenge any catholic , Buddhist,Muslim,Hindu or spiritualist pagan god to find her ...
TODAY!- Is this some kind of manipulation game that is being played... ? at the expense of a little girls life? - ( sic)
And this movement to make her "a saint "is totally ridiculous... it needs to stop!!! (sic)
My
first impression of Sandy McCann is that he is a very modest quiet -
reserved guy , he listened to what we had to say, gave us an email,
accepted one of my childrens books, shook hands and left. I was
impressed with the amount of family support surrounding the McCanns. It
seems the McCanns are from Scotland -Glasgow.
and this is where this caravan will go to next!God willing.
Thomas Donne once said : NO MAN IS AN ISLAND....!
You
need extra heads to think, extra feet to walk for you, extra hands and
hearts to care for your wellbeing... this is refreshing in western
Anglo- Saxon families... especially in this day and age of family
fragmentation...In his hand he held an email from Phil McCann- another
family member - a strong family is the heart of a strong society and a
strong nation..
And
I am touched by this support... why because we all desire it... we need
to see the love.... this pilgrimage to LUZ has been truly inspiring;
and I would like to conclude by sharing my honest heart felt
observations..- if you are offended - I dont really care...
1.
The media has not been helpful in this investigation... in fact they
have only led the public astray by feeding us many RED herrings and NOT
actually helping us to discover the truth.
2.
The family were irresponsible and should share the guilt for
Madeleine's disappearance, and should channel their energy into helping
OTHER children that are abducted daily from DARFUR to DELHI... they are
in that unique position right now OF HELPING OTHERS... AND SHOULD FROM
TODAY DEVOTE THEIR LIVES TO PUBLIC SERVICE.HELP OTHER ABUSED AND
ABDUCTED CHILDREN.
This has gone beyond the normal situation.
And
he said: "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like
little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Matthew
18,3
3. THIS ENTIRE EVENT WAS 100% PREPLANNED... TO THE DETAIL.I repeat ... IT WAS A PREMEDITATED ACT!!!
The
position of the apartment in relation to the street, the open gate
leading to the street, the walled enclosure yet proximity to the TAPAS
restaurant. It was as if it was an a tailormade abduction...
tailormade...customised... prepared... it was definately not a
spontaneous event...somebody didnt just wake up one day and say: oh ...
I'm going to abduct a little girl- not unless they were part of some
religious sect that throw dice ( ref the book THE DICEMAN)
4.
The odds of this being an abduction of one person by one another
person... as a purely random action... is about one trillion trillion to
one... - it was too perfect. who booked the apartment? why was it
ground flooor and not second or third level OR fouth level... why
suddenly someone comes forward and gives a testmony of seeing one person
walking to the beach with a child which is around a 5 minute walk
through the village at 9 pm...3 days after our visit.. BOLLOCKS!-
5.
The layout of the complex when physically seen is different than that
shown in the media... it was not in the words of mrs mccann just like
having dinner at the end of the garden. BOLLOCKS again! there is a clear
view of the Tapas restaurant from the balcony of the McCanns apartment.
Any would be abductor could not have a more perfect vantage point to
observe the restaurant from.
6.
The management at the Ocean Club did not act natural, the parents are
not acting naturally, and in fact NO ONE was and is acting naturally. I
have spoken to many of my friends and they all agree- its not natural...
I
have suggested they use some of the money given in good faith by the
public at large who have got involved... ( Ive been encouraged to go on
this trip by the many emails Ive received from people around the
world... )-to put together an international team of private
investigators... I have been told the Mc CANN FAMILY have shunned a lot
of proffered help from around the world... would YOU TRUST YOUR CHILD TO
A POTENTIALLY CORRUPT PORTUGUESE POLICE FORCE? I would not...This is an
international investigation and the intel should be shared with all
agencies...
7.
If this was the work - by some off chance of a pervert... Madeline is
dead by now. If it was revenge or for some other occultic reason she is
probably dead by now... BUT - if it is for the reason of forced
adoption... then - if she hasn't been killed already by the media -
certainly there is a chance of bringing her home.
I am sick
and tired of the amount of attention this case is generating...which
DOES NOT HELP "finding madeleine"(again the mantra- bit like "peace in
the middle east "or "war on terror"...)... in fact it hinders the
search!
It
appears the family have accepted Madeleine isnt coming back... BUT why ?
Supernatural worlds exist... they are there whether or not you believe
in them...they exist...
Finally,
my gut feeling is that this was a pre-planned - professional kidnapping
and someone somewhere in LUZ knows something about all of this.... we
need to flush them out thats all.
We
shook a few strongholds on this visit - and I'm sure we pissed a few
people off... and this is what we had hoped for... we ask MORE people to
go to LUZ and piss off MORE PEOPLE... WHY- because there is a
stronghold keeping this investigation from moving forward...why would I
say something like this?
why
- because we want to see this thing reach resolution and not turn
Madeline into some kind of a religious icon that people start praying
to....
Finally,
I want to share a vision that I believe God gave me when I asked Him to
reveal her whereabouts... I saw a house somewhere on a hill , similar
to the hills of the Algarve and Aletejo .. in this house a man was
looking out the window and watching... in the room sat a girl playing
with a toy on a mattress on the floor. I believe that it was Madeleine.
It seems more likely to place a kidnapped girl in a hideout and moving
her at a later date. However, if the girl was moved immediately; her
hair would have been dyed black in the first two or three days of her
disappearance.
The
easiest way to get her out of the country would be to put her in a car
and drive her to the Spanish border only 2 and half hours away. Then
smuggle her to Morrocco- which is full of corruption ( one of the
biggest underground American bases-with Europe as the target by the way-
and the largest state sponsored Hash industry in the world-exporting
tonnes of hash every year through Antwerp ); one just had to look out
the window from the freeway as you drive from Lisbon and see the
millions of possible places to keep a little girl... no- I think
wherever Maddy is... its more than likely going to be the Algarve-
within one hour from LUZ. If on the other hand she was spirited out the
country - either through north africa or a yacht in the Med... once
again... its very very easy to conceal a small girl.
A
girl could easily be smuggled overland to Mauritania and shipped out
from any West African port to any destination in the world. While this
is possible , I think it is unlikely...and the key once again to this
mystery is finding out the motive...
-
why are the McCann family afraid to hire private professionals? why are
they relying on the the media and a very public campaign? - a dodgy
reward(ranging from 10 000 pounds to 2 million)- and ,an inept police
force(unable to come up with any credible leads)?
Why
are the McCann family not pooling their resources and pioneering
something which will send out a message to any would be abductor of
children? A co-ordianted task force of International Investigators
operating from a centralised base. Could it be that when you are IN the
situation you cant see OUT of it? Like playing chess - its easy to see
the moves from the sidelines...
IS
IT THAT THEY WANT TO SPREAD THE AWARENESS AND GET THE FOCUS BY
REPEATING THE MANTRA... "FIND MADELEINE"-"FIND MADELEINE.".. BUT
ACTUALLY ... THERE IS ANOTHER AGENDA? WE GOT THE FEELING THEY DONT
REALLY WANT HELP... PERHAPS THEYVE ALREADY ACCEPTED SHE IS GONE FOREVER
AND ARE RIDING THE EXCESSIVE OBSESSIVE PUBLICITY FOR ITS OWN SAKE...
perhaps the public needs a mystery from time to time... like a Harry
Potter book... ( see what I mean)- Rafi blieves its all business-all a
moneyspinner ... but I disagree - I believe the McCanns truly want to
find their little girl... I just believe there is something that is
being hidden from the public- thats all... and the truth needs to come
out...you cant keep duping the public..
yes,
its easy to be critical... its easy to disapprove... but the truth is
... I am not convinced of their sincerity.- nor the sincerity of the
investigation... And I know this... too - I'm not the only one!
Why
after our pilgrimage has some doctor friends suddenly come forward to
give an account of seeing a man carrying a girl pass the church...?
conscience? ... NO- as John F. KENNEDY ONCE SAID: YOU CAN FOOL SOME OF
THE PEOPLE SOME OF THE TIME... But you cant fool ALL of the people ALL
of the time!"
As
a Born again Zionist Christian - our mission is to bring the Gospel of
Gods Love to the world... to BE THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD...THE LUZ...
and
by faith we made this pilgrimage to LUZ ... to bring the LUZ of CHRIST
into this tragic event...And whilst I am deeply honored by Sandy McCann
coming to meet us... I need to be honest with myself and with those
around me about how I and others feel about this event. The argument has
been used that there are many chidlren abducted each year- all over the
world ... like starfish , millions of starfish washed up on the
beach... what difference does it make to spend so much energy looking
for ONE starfish...one lost child... the answer to this is simple...
to that starfish it makes ALL the difference... !!amen.
and
that is why the McCanns have a unique responsibility to fulfil.One they
should not shirk from... If they be Christian believers... ( we born
agains think the Catholic church is the biggest cult anyway) - if they
believe in the power of God to make MIRACLES happen... they need to open
themselves UP to the SPIRIT OF GOD. AMEN.
" For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty in the pulling down of strongholds..." 2 corinthians 10 , 4
I want to remind anyone who hasn't seen a movie called : THE GREEN MILE... to go and see it...
we
kill each other with our love is what the movie was saying... and I
want to ask the McCanns to consider everything I've said...dont ALLOW
THE campaign TO find madeileine override the campaign to FIND THE
TRUTH!... IF MADDY is more important than the power of being in the
limelight... then become even more unorthodox and show us human weakness
- why it is because by our weakness that HE is strong... for my GRACE
is sufficient for you... !
"And
He said unto me, My Grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is
made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in
my infirmities , that the power of Christ may rest upon me." 2cor. 12,9
if
you are reading this now... someone who knows about this child... no
one is forgotten by God... God knows your name , God knows everyones
name... perhaps you feel no remorse for what you have done, perhaps you
think it was the right thing to do...
but its not.
God
is fully in control of this situation and there are people who desire
for a miracle... answer their prayers and be saved...allow the inner
change to come in...
- open your heart and let the miracle of the Living God come in... amen. Maranatha- Come Lord Come...
One MORE WORD FROM GOD:
"
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood , but against
principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of
this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." Eph 6,12
So finally this is the email that Sandy gave me : Email him your thoughts :
supportteam@bringmadeleinehome.com
Lets all KEEP THE FAITH - OK ?!
GOD WILL RAISE ME UP A CHAMPION!
the truth is out there....
As we arrive in Luz - we stop at a statue of JESUS - just outside the Ocean Club... We decide to park the car...and
This is the apartment where the McCanns were staying when Madeleine was abducted
take
a walk to the Ocean Club. This whole little village has been affected
by this tragedy, and yet their is a strange kind of tension ... the
receptionist doesnt want us to photograph her - but is at first helpful
and says we should go and see a fellow South African called Pedro- who
works on reception.
One
thing I want to mention here is this... the TV doesnt show ALL the
angles... when you see it first hand ... it is different...
what
I didnt see on the tv reports was the distance and location of the
scene of the crime in relation to the rest of the resort... ie where the
McCanns were eating their meal.
The
next thing I didnt realise is that the OCEAN CLUB is spread out in over
five locations around the village. What that means is that it is a big
concern and not just a small hotel resort with a swimming pool. Pedro
was very helpful but the management seem to shun us. I think they have
had enough of this whole affair - the negative publicity - the "
tourists" coming to praia del luz and asking the
Across the road
This is across the road from where the McCanns were staying. Note the OM sign in the middle of the Ocean Club sign...
same
questions... the media.. the police etc. I did FEEL in my heart they
wanted to get rid of us as quickly as possible. They apparently get bags
of mail every day from all over the world as well as faxes... so they
are probably tired of all the attention... although in a sense it could
have some kind of a morbid attraction to those who like myself have
become fascinated by this case.
I
did sense in my spirit that there is something going on here in this
village... I did not witness with Robin the General Manager - and if I
were on the investigation team I would interrogate him first. -although I
don't have any proof - I just didn't like him. - perhaps it was the way
he spoke-or perhaps the way he totally ignored us...who can say... I
didn't feel right about him... call it a sixth sense.-then again he
could be a stand up guy... who knows... I would however... look into his
backround and give him a lie detector test...just to be sure...!
After we left the reception of the OCEAN CLUB (tel+351 282 78 87 64/ email ocean.club.luz@mail.telepac.pt )we
Rafi showing the still weak security of the Ocean Club
This
probably is the gate where the abductor and Mrs. McCann used to enter
and leave the apartment from .There is NO lock- No Security-nothing. It
is also camoflaged by the bushes but leading straight... [more]
went
to have a look at the complex where the McCann family were eating. What
was not adequately reported on TV was the FACT that the apartment was a good 3 minutes walk...
and the restaurant and swimming pool is surrounded and enclosed by a 6
foot wall... there is only one exit...and one entrance... - with NO CCTV
! -
The
next thing I noticed was that the McCann apartment was on street level
with a side gate accessing directly to the street. Of all the apartments
in the complex it was the one most ideally suited for an abduction...
the others did not have the instant access to the street.
When
Mrs McCann got up from her meal at around 8:45pm and went to check on
the child(9pm -which means it was not totally dark )- she would have had
to walk out of the enclosed complex and turn left... walk around 50
metres to a side gate - go through it, up the stairs and into the back
door of the apartment ...and check on her children sleeping... it was
not as close as reported, nor the fact that there were child minders
available to
Rafi and I posing outside the Catholic Church
This
is where Mrs McCann and others come to pray for Maddy. This is where we
met up with Sandy McCann-Gerry McCanns brother/relative
look
after the kids...- it was close to the restaurant but NOT THAT CLOSE-
and also if you were going to set up an abduction - well... that
apartment would have made the best alibi... - why... because the whole
operation could be executed in the quickest and simplest way possible
with no one seeing. I will come to this a little later...
After
looking around the complex I knocked on the door and a woman answered
it...looking a little peeved - after I said a few words she slammed the
door in my face...
I
waited a little while and again knocked - this time a man answered red
faced saying were on holiday- I'm sick of this - **** off...
I asked him only one question: is this the apartment where the McCanns were staying? - he replied in the affirmative.
I
interviewed a few of the local shop-owners and the general consensus
was that its tragic but they should have been more careful... in other
words they share the responsibility... and well children disappear all
over the world every day... whats so special about Madeleine?... and
this will bring me to the next point and
the coastline-the beach-
This a possible escape route that the abductor could have travelled on if he/she was walking and didnt want to be noticed.
end of this pilgrimage to Praia del luz...
...........................................................................................................................................................
THE CHURCH...the church...
Jesus
said to them, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder
them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these.” (Mark 10,14)
I
left a message for the McCanns at the reception - which thankfully
Pedro gave to SANDY MCCANN... I decided to go to the church..and have a
look... of course this is Portugal...and everyone is Catholic... but
inside the church an unprepared site met my eyes...
it appeared to me that the whole church had been turned into a Shrine for ST. Madeleina.
On
the altar was a candle with Madeliene written on it... - in front on
the left a picture of Madeleine with candles - on the pews yellow and
purple ribbons... the focus very much on the girl...and of course in the
front a golden colored Mother Mary...
I
have been in Lesotho when the pope came to beatify a saint... and I
have visited many churches around the world...of the orhodox as well as
protestant and catholic... but to me this looks like an attempted
beatification -how bizaar... I have
its only corporate rock n roll ...but i like it...
outside the eiffel tower.
also
heard in other parts of the world... midnight vigils are being held
with candles and even icons being painted in honor of Madeleine... and
that is why i need to rebuke the spirit behind this. We did not feel
elcome in praia del luz...nor did we feel the family were really looking
for our help... and thats the truth! We came a long way, we drove 40
hours back to London that night... ! We drove around 12 hours from
Spain. We made the effort. I dont regret it... I just feel this whole
thing has taken on a bizarre out of this world dimension.
I've
seen it happen before... I had a friend in South Africa who lost his
son - he built an altar of remembrance with candles burning night and
day... I dont want to criticise the parents... but the latest deal with
the Rowlings book and the photos everywhere... - its like creating an
idol out of Madeleine..( now Gerry wants to meet with George Bush)...
shall we then start to pray to "Santa Madeleina"? I dont think so!!!
When the natural strength of man is exhausted... then perhaps someone will begin to let go and trust in God.
Everyone
has a different reaction and response to things that happen to them in
life... and the McCanns are under a lot of pressure from all sides...
they need to be discerning and filter out the truth from the lies... yet
why the stoneface ? - in many cultures that would look unnatural.
Both
me and rafi felt that the family are asking for help - yet not willing
to receive it... its as if they are trying repeating a mantra : FIND
MADELEINE , FIND MADELEINE ,FIND MADELEINE, but denying to engage in
actually finding her...We both come out of Praia del Luz with the same
mind... this whole thing is not KOSHER!-ITS NOT HALAAL...!
I
was abducted as a child of 5 years old... I was found after 1 year...
it was a private investigator who found me...- paid for by the English
tabloids... - when it comes to risking your child's life on the police -
who are professional... but not too imaginative... AND you have the
money to HIRE professionals...There are roads that pros can take that
parastatals would not take... well...
I
rest my case... the fact remains... the Portuguese haven't come up with
much so far... neither has Interpol...or Scotland Yard...This latest
reported sighting of a man looking like the suspect Robert Murat will
also turn up nothing...its all conjecture , not facts... find the
motive, and you find Madeleine...
simple as that... and so far the motive has not been found. There are only possibilities...
But let me go on with my diary;
I
started by praying in tongues in the church...asking God for a living
Rhema word.... the word I recieved was this: NOT ONE SPARROW FALLS... !
the phone immediately rang... it was Sandy... I said I felt I could help
and would he meet up with us... I said I was at the Nossa Senor
Church...
I
went for a short swim in the sea... and then met up with him... he
looked like a runner, slightly built ... short , quiet and reserved... I
spoke briefly what I thought... Rafi tried to introduce his occultic
friend from Israel... I believe that this is the reason why Christians
need to get involved in such a high profile case... why?- because we
need to show that the occultists do not have greater spiritual power
than the master - JESUS... for HE IS Lord of Lords and King of Kings
amen.
Most
certainly will I challenge any occultist to "find madeleine.".. I
believe it will be the HAND of God that will find her... - it all
depends how the media will try to twist things to sell more papers...
certainly they have made a lot of money out of this madeleine
business... and a business it has become...
This
is the biggest child abduction case in human history and it has become
almost a competition... which god will will win the race to say : it was
our god that found her...
Well as a believer in JESUS... I challenge any catholic , Buddhist,Muslim,Hindu or spiritualist pagan god to find her ...
TODAY!- Is this some kind of manipulation game that is being played... ? at the expense of a little girls life? - ( sic)
And this movement to make her "a saint "is totally ridiculous... it needs to stop!!! (sic)
My
first impression of Sandy McCann is that he is a very modest quiet -
reserved guy , he listened to what we had to say, gave us an email,
accepted one of my childrens books, shook hands and left. I was
impressed with the amount of family support surrounding the McCanns. It
seems the McCanns are from Scotland -Glasgow.
and this is where this caravan will go to next!God willing.
Thomas Donne once said : NO MAN IS AN ISLAND....!
You
need extra heads to think, extra feet to walk for you, extra hands and
hearts to care for your wellbeing... this is refreshing in western
Anglo- Saxon families... especially in this day and age of family
fragmentation...In his hand he held an email from Phil McCann- another
family member - a strong family is the heart of a strong society and a
strong nation..
And
I am touched by this support... why because we all desire it... we need
to see the love.... this pilgrimage to LUZ has been truly inspiring;
and I would like to conclude by sharing my honest heart felt
observations..- if you are offended - I dont really care...
1.
The media has not been helpful in this investigation... in fact they
have only led the public astray by feeding us many RED herrings and NOT
actually helping us to discover the truth.
2.
The family were irresponsible and should share the guilt for
Madeleine's disappearance, and should channel their energy into helping
OTHER children that are abducted daily from DARFUR to DELHI... they are
in that unique position right now OF HELPING OTHERS... AND SHOULD FROM
TODAY DEVOTE THEIR LIVES TO PUBLIC SERVICE.HELP OTHER ABUSED AND
ABDUCTED CHILDREN.
This has gone beyond the normal situation.
And
he said: "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like
little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Matthew
18,3
3. THIS ENTIRE EVENT WAS 100% PREPLANNED... TO THE DETAIL.I repeat ... IT WAS A PREMEDITATED ACT!!!
The
position of the apartment in relation to the street, the open gate
leading to the street, the walled enclosure yet proximity to the TAPAS
restaurant. It was as if it was an a tailormade abduction...
tailormade...customised... prepared... it was definately not a
spontaneous event...somebody didnt just wake up one day and say: oh ...
I'm going to abduct a little girl- not unless they were part of some
religious sect that throw dice ( ref the book THE DICEMAN)
4.
The odds of this being an abduction of one person by one another
person... as a purely random action... is about one trillion trillion to
one... - it was too perfect. who booked the apartment? why was it
ground flooor and not second or third level OR fouth level... why
suddenly someone comes forward and gives a testmony of seeing one person
walking to the beach with a child which is around a 5 minute walk
through the village at 9 pm...3 days after our visit.. BOLLOCKS!-
5.
The layout of the complex when physically seen is different than that
shown in the media... it was not in the words of mrs mccann just like
having dinner at the end of the garden. BOLLOCKS again! there is a clear
view of the Tapas restaurant from the balcony of the McCanns apartment.
Any would be abductor could not have a more perfect vantage point to
observe the restaurant from.
6.
The management at the Ocean Club did not act natural, the parents are
not acting naturally, and in fact NO ONE was and is acting naturally. I
have spoken to many of my friends and they all agree- its not natural...
I
have suggested they use some of the money given in good faith by the
public at large who have got involved... ( Ive been encouraged to go on
this trip by the many emails Ive received from people around the
world... )-to put together an international team of private
investigators... I have been told the Mc CANN FAMILY have shunned a lot
of proffered help from around the world... would YOU TRUST YOUR CHILD TO
A POTENTIALLY CORRUPT PORTUGUESE POLICE FORCE? I would not...This is an
international investigation and the intel should be shared with all
agencies...
7.
If this was the work - by some off chance of a pervert... Madeline is
dead by now. If it was revenge or for some other occultic reason she is
probably dead by now... BUT - if it is for the reason of forced
adoption... then - if she hasn't been killed already by the media -
certainly there is a chance of bringing her home.
I am sick
and tired of the amount of attention this case is generating...which
DOES NOT HELP "finding madeleine"(again the mantra- bit like "peace in
the middle east "or "war on terror"...)... in fact it hinders the
search!
It
appears the family have accepted Madeleine isnt coming back... BUT why ?
Supernatural worlds exist... they are there whether or not you believe
in them...they exist...
Finally,
my gut feeling is that this was a pre-planned - professional kidnapping
and someone somewhere in LUZ knows something about all of this.... we
need to flush them out thats all.
We
shook a few strongholds on this visit - and I'm sure we pissed a few
people off... and this is what we had hoped for... we ask MORE people to
go to LUZ and piss off MORE PEOPLE... WHY- because there is a
stronghold keeping this investigation from moving forward...why would I
say something like this?
why
- because we want to see this thing reach resolution and not turn
Madeline into some kind of a religious icon that people start praying
to....
Finally,
I want to share a vision that I believe God gave me when I asked Him to
reveal her whereabouts... I saw a house somewhere on a hill , similar
to the hills of the Algarve and Aletejo .. in this house a man was
looking out the window and watching... in the room sat a girl playing
with a toy on a mattress on the floor. I believe that it was Madeleine.
It seems more likely to place a kidnapped girl in a hideout and moving
her at a later date. However, if the girl was moved immediately; her
hair would have been dyed black in the first two or three days of her
disappearance.
The
easiest way to get her out of the country would be to put her in a car
and drive her to the Spanish border only 2 and half hours away. Then
smuggle her to Morrocco- which is full of corruption ( one of the
biggest underground American bases-with Europe as the target by the way-
and the largest state sponsored Hash industry in the world-exporting
tonnes of hash every year through Antwerp ); one just had to look out
the window from the freeway as you drive from Lisbon and see the
millions of possible places to keep a little girl... no- I think
wherever Maddy is... its more than likely going to be the Algarve-
within one hour from LUZ. If on the other hand she was spirited out the
country - either through north africa or a yacht in the Med... once
again... its very very easy to conceal a small girl.
A
girl could easily be smuggled overland to Mauritania and shipped out
from any West African port to any destination in the world. While this
is possible , I think it is unlikely...and the key once again to this
mystery is finding out the motive...
-
why are the McCann family afraid to hire private professionals? why are
they relying on the the media and a very public campaign? - a dodgy
reward(ranging from 10 000 pounds to 2 million)- and ,an inept police
force(unable to come up with any credible leads)?
Why
are the McCann family not pooling their resources and pioneering
something which will send out a message to any would be abductor of
children? A co-ordianted task force of International Investigators
operating from a centralised base. Could it be that when you are IN the
situation you cant see OUT of it? Like playing chess - its easy to see
the moves from the sidelines...
IS
IT THAT THEY WANT TO SPREAD THE AWARENESS AND GET THE FOCUS BY
REPEATING THE MANTRA... "FIND MADELEINE"-"FIND MADELEINE.".. BUT
ACTUALLY ... THERE IS ANOTHER AGENDA? WE GOT THE FEELING THEY DONT
REALLY WANT HELP... PERHAPS THEYVE ALREADY ACCEPTED SHE IS GONE FOREVER
AND ARE RIDING THE EXCESSIVE OBSESSIVE PUBLICITY FOR ITS OWN SAKE...
perhaps the public needs a mystery from time to time... like a Harry
Potter book... ( see what I mean)- Rafi blieves its all business-all a
moneyspinner ... but I disagree - I believe the McCanns truly want to
find their little girl... I just believe there is something that is
being hidden from the public- thats all... and the truth needs to come
out...you cant keep duping the public..
yes,
its easy to be critical... its easy to disapprove... but the truth is
... I am not convinced of their sincerity.- nor the sincerity of the
investigation... And I know this... too - I'm not the only one!
Why
after our pilgrimage has some doctor friends suddenly come forward to
give an account of seeing a man carrying a girl pass the church...?
conscience? ... NO- as John F. KENNEDY ONCE SAID: YOU CAN FOOL SOME OF
THE PEOPLE SOME OF THE TIME... But you cant fool ALL of the people ALL
of the time!"
As
a Born again Zionist Christian - our mission is to bring the Gospel of
Gods Love to the world... to BE THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD...THE LUZ...
and
by faith we made this pilgrimage to LUZ ... to bring the LUZ of CHRIST
into this tragic event...And whilst I am deeply honored by Sandy McCann
coming to meet us... I need to be honest with myself and with those
around me about how I and others feel about this event. The argument has
been used that there are many chidlren abducted each year- all over the
world ... like starfish , millions of starfish washed up on the
beach... what difference does it make to spend so much energy looking
for ONE starfish...one lost child... the answer to this is simple...
to that starfish it makes ALL the difference... !!amen.
and
that is why the McCanns have a unique responsibility to fulfil.One they
should not shirk from... If they be Christian believers... ( we born
agains think the Catholic church is the biggest cult anyway) - if they
believe in the power of God to make MIRACLES happen... they need to open
themselves UP to the SPIRIT OF GOD. AMEN.
" For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty in the pulling down of strongholds..." 2 corinthians 10 , 4
I want to remind anyone who hasn't seen a movie called : THE GREEN MILE... to go and see it...
we
kill each other with our love is what the movie was saying... and I
want to ask the McCanns to consider everything I've said...dont ALLOW
THE campaign TO find madeileine override the campaign to FIND THE
TRUTH!... IF MADDY is more important than the power of being in the
limelight... then become even more unorthodox and show us human weakness
- why it is because by our weakness that HE is strong... for my GRACE
is sufficient for you... !
"And
He said unto me, My Grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is
made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in
my infirmities , that the power of Christ may rest upon me." 2cor. 12,9
if
you are reading this now... someone who knows about this child... no
one is forgotten by God... God knows your name , God knows everyones
name... perhaps you feel no remorse for what you have done, perhaps you
think it was the right thing to do...
but its not.
God
is fully in control of this situation and there are people who desire
for a miracle... answer their prayers and be saved...allow the inner
change to come in...
- open your heart and let the miracle of the Living God come in... amen. Maranatha- Come Lord Come...
One MORE WORD FROM GOD:
"
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood , but against
principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of
this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." Eph 6,12
So finally this is the email that Sandy gave me : Email him your thoughts :
supportteam@bringmadeleinehome.com
Lets all KEEP THE FAITH - OK ?!
GOD WILL RAISE ME UP A CHAMPION!
the truth is out there....
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