Jane Tanner Liar?

Molly wrote:littlepixie the timeline was written while the police was present. The men and some of the women have been searching (including Kate). It's all in the files.

Molly wrote:littlepixie the timeline was written while the police was present. The men and some of the women have been searching (including Kate). It's all in the files.

candyfloss wrote:

Molly wrote:littlepixie the timeline was written while the police was present. The men and some of the women have been searching (including Kate). It's all in the files.

She actually said in an interview with Jane Hill, that she hadn't been searching.

Molly wrote:

candyfloss wrote:

Molly wrote:littlepixie the timeline was written while the police was present. The men and some of the women have been searching (including Kate). It's all in the files.

She actually said in an interview with Jane Hill, that she hadn't been searching.

Can't recall the context of that remark in the interview. But she's been outside the apartment, searching for Madeleine, calling her name. Don't know for how long though. It's really all in the files.

jkh wrote:

littlepixie wrote:Jail me, post guards at my house!!

OK.

littlepixie wrote:In their own way, not physically searching - still as shocking today.

candyfloss wrote:

Molly wrote:

candyfloss wrote:

Molly wrote:littlepixie the timeline was written while the police was present. The men and some of the women have been searching (including Kate). It's all in the files.

She actually said in an interview with Jane Hill, that she hadn't been searching.

Can't recall the context of that remark in the interview. But she's been outside the apartment, searching for Madeleine, calling her name. Don't know for how long though. It's really all in the files.

Don't think so, and could you please provide a link to where she said this in the files, I haven't read that.

Here is what she said to Jane Hill on the You Tube interview: thanks to the mccannfilesThe first interview with Jane Hill from the BBC - 25 May 2007


This interview is interesting as it is the first interview given by the McCanns after the disappearance of Madeleine. They had previously only given short, scripted statements.

Perhaps the most revealing question in the interview is this one:

Jane Hill: "I met people who didn't go to work for more than a week because everyday they were down on the beach, searching the streets. Did you, as a mother Kate, just sometimes think 'I've got to go and be out there with them. I want to go and just physically look as well."

Kate: (Pause) I mean, I did. Errm... (Long Pause) Errm, we'd been working really hard really. Apart... I mean, the first 48 hours, as Gerry said, are incredibly difficult and we were almost non-functioning, I'd say, errm, but after that you get strength from somewhere. We've certainly had loads of support and that's given us strength and its been able to make us focus really so we have actually, in our own way, it might not be physically searching but we've been working really hard and doing absolutely everything we can, really, to get Madeleine back."

ETA Note "it might not be physically searching"

Erm, tut, so Dave and I went to bed and we tried to sleep. Erm, I think about half an hour after that or an hour after that it was starting to get sort of vaguely light and Kate had come into the room just said 'Look, will you', would I look after Sean and Amelie and said they need to go and look for Madeleine and, erm, which I did. And I was conscious that, you know, Kate and Gerry were wrapped up warm and went out on the streets looking for Madeleine.

“Erm, well I think I was in a bit of a, I mean, obviously, erm, the next thing I can
remember is seeing Kate and Fiona, they came running from the direction of Kate’s
flat, say sort of along the, sort of it’s, I’ll try and describe how it is, but as you come
into the flats there’s sort of a passageway and there’s flats above so there’s a roof and
there’s a passageway, it’s really badly described, but they came running along there
and they were shouting ‘Madeleine’ and they were like looking in the stairwell and
what have you."

Ruby wrote:i hope that settles that.

not likely on here, mind.

Molly wrote:A pity Team Bennetts agenda for 2010 was moved to the trashcan.
The above post shows how right that analysis was. Back to nagging about the parents, let's forget or rather ignore, what's in the files. The tabloid stories are much more juicy.
What a mindset that is.

marigold wrote:

Molly wrote:A pity Team Bennetts agenda for 2010 was moved to the trashcan.
The above post shows how right that analysis was. Back to nagging about the parents, let's forget or rather ignore, what's in the files. The tabloid stories are much more juicy.
What a mindset that is.

I think you are ignoring and forgetting what's in the files, purely because of some warped adoration of two strange and neglectful parents.

badmanners wrote:Let us look at what Tanner actually said, in its time context:

00.56.47 4078 “And what happened after that?”
Reply “Erm, I think that’s when I went back to the roadside, I sort of looked out of the
roadside door. I think I heard some shouting, erm, so I actually went to sort of put
my head out the roadside door. And I think it was Rachael that I saw first because
she had run back I think to check that G***e was obviously okay. And then I think
Rachael said, you know, she told me what had, you know she said ‘Oh Madeleine’s
gone’ or, you know, something along those lines. And that’s, it was almost
straightaway as she said that I sort of had that, this person sort of came into my head
at that”.
4078 “It was that quick was it after you?”
Reply “It was almost, yeah, I was sort of like, oh, it just sort of seemed a bit, the connection
made, you know, I thought ‘Oh that person was a bit odd’, he sort of seemed a bit, a
bit odd. But I think at that point I was obviously, I think I actually might have
wondered, wondered and, you know, I was sort of thinking ‘Well I’m sure it couldn’t
have been’, but it did come that immediate into my mind”.
4078 “So what happened from then?”
Reply “Erm, well I think I was in a bit of a, I mean, obviously, erm, the next thing I can
remember is seeing Kate and Fiona, they came running from the direction of Kate’s
flat, say sort of along the, sort of it’s, I’ll try and describe how it is, but as you come
into the flats there’s sort of a passageway and there’s flats above so there’s a roof and
there’s a passageway, it’s really badly described, but they came running along there
and they were shouting ‘Madeleine’ and they were like looking in the stairwell and
what have you. And Fi started running upstairs and that’s when I ran to Fi and said
what I thought, you know, I said ‘I think I’ve seen somebody’. I didn’t want to say to
Kate at that point, which might sound odd now, you know, ‘Oh why wouldn’t you say
straight away to Kate’, but, you know, the thought of telling the mother of a child
that you might have seen being carried away is, it’s too horrible to even say. So I just
said to Fi, erm, you know, ‘I think I might have seen somebody a bit odd when I came
back to do one of the checks’.

So, she told Fiona at that time that she had seen a man carrying a child. This was just after the alarm had been raised. I have italicised the bit I think Himself has quoted.

then:

4078 “Who else did you speak to?”
Reply “I’m trying to think of the order, it was sort of like, it was Rachael first, then it was Fi
and I can’t remember when Russell and Matt came back, they came back at, erm, tut,
I don’t know whether they came back first or I told them or who else was there, but
as soon, the Police, when the Police came, I know Rachael went straight away to get
them to say, so that I could tell the GNR, I think, yeah, the GNR, what I’d seen, but I
don’t know if I told anybody else, I can’t remember when people like Sylvie, who
was the translator, I’m not sure when she arrived whether it was before the Police
arrived or after the Police arrived or whenever, but”.
4078 “But you told the Police when they came?”
Reply “Yeah, when they arrived Rachael I think went and got the GNR and I told the GNR
chap and then when the PJ actually arrived they came and got me to go and talk to
the, the PJ”.

and finally:

Russell was there when I spoke to the PJ, because I can remember Russell
coming in with me when I spoke to the PJ, because there was Russell and Gerry was
there as well in the apartment when I spoke to the PJ. And that was the first time I’d
ever been into their, into Kate and Gerry’s apartment through the whole week, I
hadn’t, it might seem like, but we hadn’t really been into their apartment before”.

01.04.52 4078 “Sorry, was that on the night that Madeleine had disappeared?”
Reply “That was at three o’clock in the morning after she’d disappeared, yeah”.

4078 “Okay. Well tell me about that part then, how did you come to go into Gerry and
Kate’s apartment?”
Reply “Well when the GNR people came, so the first lot of Police, the local Police came,
erm, I spoke to them and I think that was through the translator, which was, I think
she’s called Sylvie, she’s the Head of Housekeeping or something, she was doing the
translating at that point. So I’d spoken to the GNR Police and then when the PJ
came, they came to get me to talk to them to say, to say what, what I’d seen. And
then I can remember the same GNR person saying to me later on in the night ‘Oh
have you spoken to the PJ’ and I had by that stage, so”.
4078 “So when you went into Gerry and Kate’s apartment who else was there?”
Reply “Erm, I think there was Russ, I think Russell came with me and there was Sylvie who
was the translator. I can’t remember which, there was some, there was a PJ chap was
sitting on the, by the table. And there was Gerry who was standing by the, the
bedroom door”.
4078 “And how was Gerry at that point?”
Reply “Oh he was just, well obviously, obviously distraught. And I think it was quite hard
for me to be saying at that, you know, looking in his face and to be explaining what
I’d seen, at that point was quite hard because, you know, Gerry was obviously

standing there, I don’t know whether, and you sort of think ‘Oh God, here’s me, if I’d
tried to stop them this wouldn’t have happened’ sort of thing. So I think I did feel
sort of a bit obviously guilty at that stage even though I didn’t know whether it was
anything, but obviously you think ‘Oh blo*dy hell, what if I’, not stopped it happened
potentially”.
01.06.30 4078 “And what was Gerry’s reaction to what you said?”
Reply “Well I don’t even know whether he took it in, I mean, he was just, he was, you
know, obviously just standing there looking absolutely horrified, so”.
4078 “And where was Kate?”
Reply “I don’t know at that point, she wasn’t, she wasn’t in the, she wasn’t there. I don’t
know whether, I think they had taken the twins out of the room by that stage, so I
don’t know whether she was up in Dave and Fi’s room”.



I think she is wrong about the time - it's that simple.
She clearly places this telling of the PJ in front of Gerry at 3 in the morning. It wasn't, it was much earlier as is clear from everyone else's account of it, and given that we know that this 'note' was written when a PJ officer was present, it solves the mystery. Kate would not have found out until afterwards because Jane had not told her straight away afterwards and she wasn't in the room when the PJ were there.

mmmlindz wrote:Jane said she didn't tell McCanns about seeing man carrying child straight away but it was written on the original timeline on the kid book cover was this added later or another lie?

LG78 wrote:

mmmlindz wrote:Jane said she didn't tell McCanns about seeing man carrying child straight away but it was written on the original timeline on the kid book cover was this added later or another lie?

Opinion on this ? : Another thing about the abducter she "saw". If that is/are true, and you look at where Maddie slept, and the posision and the main entrance, if she saw the abducter, then it should have been the child's head where Jane Tanner saw feets. If not, the abducter would have had to turn Maddie around with her head pointing at the ending of bed before picking her up. And that is not very likely. Or he would have to turn her around sometime before living. And if it was an abducter, would he even carried her in the way JT describes? I mean not a clever way to carrie a child you abducted?