Jane Tanner Liar?
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Re: Jane Tanner Liar?
by Phoebe 07.08.17 11:07
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" Do you know a John, John CLAXMAN”?
Reply “Ah yes, that’s erm, the reason that’s Christine is his wife and he, so I can show you her number, I haven’t actually got his number in, haven’t actually got his number in here but I’ve got Christine, I’ve actually called her PAXMAN because I thought her name was PAXMAN”
Since Jane replies that the number for John Claxman is NOT stored in her phone memory - "I haven't actually got his number in, haven't actually got his number in here" I wonder how the Leicestershire Police knew that the unnamed call came from "John Claxman"?
According to The McCann files ( Paulo Reiss report)
"However, there are potentially serious omissions:
* The most important records were not available when Mr and Mrs McCann attended their 'Arguido interviews' on 6th and 7th September 2007 and it is doubtful that they were ever reviewed by the very experienced analysts from the Leicestershire Police, whose team left the Algarve soon after the McCann's return to the UK in September 2007
* There are no detailed call records from the mobile operators for Kate McCann, Russell O'Brien, Matthew Oldfield and Jane Tanner"
" Do you know a John, John CLAXMAN”?
Reply “Ah yes, that’s erm, the reason that’s Christine is his wife and he, so I can show you her number, I haven’t actually got his number in, haven’t actually got his number in here but I’ve got Christine, I’ve actually called her PAXMAN because I thought her name was PAXMAN”
Since Jane replies that the number for John Claxman is NOT stored in her phone memory - "I haven't actually got his number in, haven't actually got his number in here" I wonder how the Leicestershire Police knew that the unnamed call came from "John Claxman"?
According to The McCann files ( Paulo Reiss report)
"However, there are potentially serious omissions:
* The most important records were not available when Mr and Mrs McCann attended their 'Arguido interviews' on 6th and 7th September 2007 and it is doubtful that they were ever reviewed by the very experienced analysts from the Leicestershire Police, whose team left the Algarve soon after the McCann's return to the UK in September 2007
* There are no detailed call records from the mobile operators for Kate McCann, Russell O'Brien, Matthew Oldfield and Jane Tanner"
Given that it was during the British rogatory interviews Jane claimed to have mistaken Claxman for Paxman, I don't believe the L.P. had done any further checking re. her phone messages of the previous May. I think they had been given the name John Claxman by someone. I also have no trust in the L.P.! I'm not claiming that this DNA crime specialist was called on May 2nd for advice, but I do believe that if there was contact with her for any reason it would have been hushed up, given her role at the same F.S.S. which had tested Madeleine's DNA with such a controversial result. I may be on the wrong track completely but find it hard to swallow that someone does not know a close friend's surname.
A search of the White Pages Exeter and Devon returns - "0 results for the name Claxman"
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Re: Jane Tanner Liar?
by polyenne 07.08.17 14:15
Also from JTs rogatory:
4078 “Do you know a Maxine”?
Reply “Oh again, that’s a friend, that’s just a friend from Exeter erm yeah can’t remember what her second name is but yeah it’s just a friend that I (inaudible) next to, give you her address, she lives near the motorway”.
She's got all these friends that she doesn't know the name of !!
4078 “Do you know a Maxine”?
Reply “Oh again, that’s a friend, that’s just a friend from Exeter erm yeah can’t remember what her second name is but yeah it’s just a friend that I (inaudible) next to, give you her address, she lives near the motorway”.
She's got all these friends that she doesn't know the name of !!
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Re: Jane Tanner Liar?
by Phoebe 07.08.17 16:09
From Jane Tanner rogatory -
4078 “And there are, there are just three more, this is mobile +, +44 7958 704510”?
Reply “510”.
4078 “It’s just somebody that YOU texted at eight twenty one in the morning on the second of May and they texted you back at five past ten the same day in the morning”.
Reply “Sorry, the last three numbers again I (inaudible)”.
4078 “510”........
Reply “Ah yes, that’s erm, the reason that’s Christine is his wife and he, so I can show you her number, I haven’t actually got his number in, haven’t actually got his number in here but I’ve got Christine, I’ve actually called her PAXMAN because I thought her name was PAXMAN”.
4078 “That’s on there yes, yes”.
Reply “Oh does that say, oh right okay yeah sorry”.
4078 “Ends in 510 yes”?
Reply “Yeah it does yeah, you know it’s cos it’s under Christine
So "Christine's" number is the one ending in 510. According to the records JANE was the one who contacted this number first and later that day it contacted her back. Therefore Jane's explanation that Christine had contacted her to arrange a play-date, not knowing Jane was abroad on holiday, makes no sense.
4078 “And there are, there are just three more, this is mobile +, +44 7958 704510”?
Reply “510”.
4078 “It’s just somebody that YOU texted at eight twenty one in the morning on the second of May and they texted you back at five past ten the same day in the morning”.
Reply “Sorry, the last three numbers again I (inaudible)”.
4078 “510”........
Reply “Ah yes, that’s erm, the reason that’s Christine is his wife and he, so I can show you her number, I haven’t actually got his number in, haven’t actually got his number in here but I’ve got Christine, I’ve actually called her PAXMAN because I thought her name was PAXMAN”.
4078 “That’s on there yes, yes”.
Reply “Oh does that say, oh right okay yeah sorry”.
4078 “Ends in 510 yes”?
Reply “Yeah it does yeah, you know it’s cos it’s under Christine
So "Christine's" number is the one ending in 510. According to the records JANE was the one who contacted this number first and later that day it contacted her back. Therefore Jane's explanation that Christine had contacted her to arrange a play-date, not knowing Jane was abroad on holiday, makes no sense.
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Re: Jane Tanner Liar?
by polyenne 07.08.17 16:18
And she even forgets to notify her child's pre-school that they're on holiday (as they were seemingly busy at the hospital (?)the week before they left).
Lucky she remembered her toothbrush
Lucky she remembered her toothbrush
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Re: Jane Tanner Liar?
by Phoebe 12.08.17 14:48
I've received a p.m. from a member indicating that there was indeed contact via text messages between Jane Tanner and Dr. Christine Flaxman at 8:21:46 and 10:05:20 on May 2nd 2007. I haven't put the chart up as I can't separate it from the rest of the message (too techno challenged) but if I get the member's permission I will post it. Why then did Jane Tanner lie and designate the contact as either Claxman or Paxman, claiming to be unsure of her name? She works at the same university, Exeter, as Dr. Flaxman so it's most unlikely she didn't know her name! Was she trying to hide the fact that she had been in contact with Dr. Christine Flaxman, a published expert in the area of low copy DNA analysis, who also had worked at the F.S.S. Birmingham where the blood samples recovered from 5G were tested with such controversial results? Or, did she have another reason for hiding the contact made on May 2nd?
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Re: Jane Tanner Liar?
by Guest 12.08.17 15:45
Before this goes too far - can you at least clarify how it can be said with such certainty that Jane Tanner exchanged text message/s with 'Dr. Christine Flaxman' in particular and not a Claxman or a Paxman or a Taxman? I'm very sceptical about the minutiae/interpretation of phone calls and messaging, for example, if I telephone someone at this moment, it might well be possible to trace phone to phone contact but not who I speak to at the other end. Not wishing to over complicate the subject but many people these days use mobile phones in connection with their work, in preference to landlines, so effectively one phone encompasses both work and play. I have a number of contacts on my mobile identified by only forename, mostly because I don't know the surname.Phoebe wrote:I've received a p.m. from a member indicating that there was indeed contact via text messages between Jane Tanner and Dr. Christine Flaxman at 8:21:46 and 10:05:20 on May 2nd 2007.
Jane Tanner and her other half only moved to Exeter in January 2007, just four months before Madeleine's alleged disappearance. According to her rogatory interview, I quote .. "Err but now I’m working at the University in Exeter, sort of website, a web marketing role. Just two days a week.”
The trauma of moving home, kids to look after, searching for part-time work, making new friends - that's some going in only four months.
How can anyone but Jane Tanner know, without question, who she exchanged text message/s with on 2nd May 2007?
NB: If you use the electoral register search, there is no entry for a Christine or John Flaxman in Exeter.
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Re: Jane Tanner Liar?
by Phoebe 12.08.17 21:04
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]@ Verdi. This was the first message I received. Will post the next also.
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Re: Jane Tanner Liar?
by Phoebe 12.08.17 21:10
From April28th To Phoebe, Today at 18:25
Hey, no problem. This is her:
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Linkedin is the most important as it confirms she worked at FSS!
Please feel free to share these links as I see verdi is being pedantic on the basis of not finding the name on 192 or some such. I don't post anymore myself so please don't worry about crediting me.
@ Verdi. Message received this eve. I believe the poster April28th has already done some extensive research into the whole area of the phone records in the Madeleine case other than this Flaxman contact. I can find no reference to the name Claxman through ANY internet search, even beyond Exeter.
Hey, no problem. This is her:
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Linkedin is the most important as it confirms she worked at FSS!
Please feel free to share these links as I see verdi is being pedantic on the basis of not finding the name on 192 or some such. I don't post anymore myself so please don't worry about crediting me.
@ Verdi. Message received this eve. I believe the poster April28th has already done some extensive research into the whole area of the phone records in the Madeleine case other than this Flaxman contact. I can find no reference to the name Claxman through ANY internet search, even beyond Exeter.
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Re: Jane Tanner Liar?
by Phoebe 12.08.17 21:36
According to Peter Scharrenberg's book "The Impossible Abduction"Phoebe wrote:From April28th To Phoebe, Today at 18:25
Hey, no problem. This is her:
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Linkedin is the most important as it confirms she worked at FSS!
Please feel free to share these links as I see verdi is being pedantic on the basis of not finding the name on 192 or some such. I don't post anymore myself so please don't worry about crediting me.
@ Verdi. Message received this eve. I believe the poster April28th has already done some extensive research into the whole area of the phone records in the Madeleine case other than this Flaxman contact. I can find no reference to the name Claxman through ANY internet search, even beyond Exeter.
"Dr Russell O'Brien, partner of Jane Tanner. The couple have two children. Dr. O'Brien works at the Penninsula Medical School of the University of Plymouth which is located on the Exeter Campus"
Is it not likely that Dr. Russell O' Brien may have known Dr. Christine Flaxman, both being doctors working out of the Exeter Campus? We have only Jane's word that it was she who "knew" the caller (even though she didn't know her surname) Remember, Jane's excuse was that this person contacted her but the rogatory interview makes clear that SHE initiated this phone contact.
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Re: Jane Tanner Liar?
by Guest 12.08.17 22:46
That's all very impressive I'm sure but it doesn't answer my question.Phoebe wrote:@ Verdi. This was the first message I received. Will post the next also.
I repeat .. "how it can be said with such certainty that Jane Tanner exchanged text message/s with 'Dr. Christine Flaxman' in particular and not a Claxman or a Paxman or a Taxman?"
I could type my name or anybody else along side a telephone number - it doesn't amount to anything.
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Re: Jane Tanner Liar?
by Guest 12.08.17 22:55
I haven't questioned the existence of a Dr Christine Flaxman - that's easily confirmed without reference to the electoral register or Linkedin. I want to know how it can be concluded that Jane Tanner exchanged test message/s with a Dr Christine Flaxman based only on a phone number as opposed to any other tom dick or harry.Phoebe wrote:From April28th To Phoebe, Today at 18:25
Hey, no problem. This is her:
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Linkedin is the most important as it confirms she worked at FSS!
Please feel free to share these links as I see verdi is being pedantic on the basis of not finding the name on 192 or some such. I don't post anymore myself so please don't worry about crediting me.
@ Verdi. Message received this eve. I believe the poster April28th has already done some extensive research into the whole area of the phone records in the Madeleine case other than this Flaxman contact. I can find no reference to the name Claxman through ANY internet search, even beyond Exeter.
ETA: Any past connection with the FSS doesn't signify - unless it's being suggested that Jane Tanner, on the night of 2nd May 2007, preempted the possible need for a UK forensic laboratory later in the year. If so then Dr Goncalo Amaral doesn't exist!
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Re: Jane Tanner Liar?
by Guest 12.08.17 23:04
As regards the mystery of Madeleine McCann, Peter Scharrenberg is about as credible and the McCanns champion duo Anthony Summers and Robbyn Swan - even though he might take a different stance.Phoebe wrote:According to Peter Scharrenberg's book "The Impossible Abduction"
Forgive me but I will not continue to discuss the subject by proxy. If you wish to act as go-between that's your prerogative but you can count me out - at least until such times as someone can answer my question, then I'll be only too willing to reconsider my thoughts on the subject.
Thanks anyway for taking the time
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Re: Jane Tanner Liar?
by Phoebe 12.08.17 23:52
Jane Tanner was questioned about the contact with Claxman/Paxman during the rogatory interviews by which stage the debacle of the testing of the blood samples from Portugal had already occurred. I wondered if Jane would have felt it imprudent to admit that she had been in contact with Dr. Flaxman (as the phone analysis of April28th claims) given Dr. Flaxman's connections to the F.S.S. lab and the home office. (see below) I have never suggested that Jane Tanner was preempting any work carried out by the F.S.S. rather that her caution may have been retrospective. It is also a fact that Dr. Russell O'Brien was employed by the Penninsula Medical School on the Exeter Campus. There is ample evidence of same other than Mr Sharrenberg's book. Citation does not necessarily imply endorsement.
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Re: Jane Tanner Liar?
by Phoebe 13.08.17 2:39
The phone records I posted above re. Tanner/Flaxman were sent to me by Ben Salmon who has kindly permitted me to reveal this fact and, having done Trojan work in researching all phone records in the Madeleine case, seems to be highly respected. This post below from G.E.G.
"Ben's online here now so hopefully he'll post it up for us.
He did a fantastic Gif thingy too that he shared with me via pm last week. Come on Ben post it up."
Therefore I don't doubt his veracity when he says these contacts were indeed between Jane Tanner's phone and one registered to Dr. Christine Flaxman. Who was actually holding the phones and pressing the letters during texting we cannot know but I imagine it would be safe to assume that on one end it was Jane Tanner, her husband or someone with physical access to her phone and on the other either Dr. Flaxman or someone she knew well enough to give her phone to. For me, the very fact that Jane lied and sought to dissemble re. the name of the person her phone was in contact with is a red flag.
"Ben's online here now so hopefully he'll post it up for us.
He did a fantastic Gif thingy too that he shared with me via pm last week. Come on Ben post it up."
Therefore I don't doubt his veracity when he says these contacts were indeed between Jane Tanner's phone and one registered to Dr. Christine Flaxman. Who was actually holding the phones and pressing the letters during texting we cannot know but I imagine it would be safe to assume that on one end it was Jane Tanner, her husband or someone with physical access to her phone and on the other either Dr. Flaxman or someone she knew well enough to give her phone to. For me, the very fact that Jane lied and sought to dissemble re. the name of the person her phone was in contact with is a red flag.
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Re: Jane Tanner Liar?
by Phoebe 13.08.17 2:54
P.S. Jane Tanner's rogatory interview took place on April 8th 2008 by which time she had been in her "new" job at Exeter for almost a year and a half. Surely ample time to have learned the correct surname of Dr. Flaxman!!Phoebe wrote:The phone records I posted above re. Tanner/Flaxman were sent to me by Ben Salmon who has kindly permitted me to reveal this fact and, having done Trojan work in researching all phone records in the Madeleine case, seems to be highly respected. This post below from G.E.G.
"Ben's online here now so hopefully he'll post it up for us.
He did a fantastic Gif thingy too that he shared with me via pm last week. Come on Ben post it up."
Therefore I don't doubt his veracity when he says these contacts were indeed between Jane Tanner's phone and one registered to Dr. Christine Flaxman. Who was actually holding the phones and pressing the letters during texting we cannot know but I imagine it would be safe to assume that on one end it was Jane Tanner, her husband or someone with physical access to her phone and on the other either Dr. Flaxman or someone she knew well enough to give her phone to. For me, the very fact that Jane lied and sought to dissemble re. the name of the person her phone was in contact with is a red flag.
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Re: Jane Tanner Liar?
by Sinan19 02.09.17 19:21
Wow. All of this is just so... weird. It's a total clusterf***.
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Re;Jane Tanner,Liar?
by willowthewisp 03.09.17 11:31
Hi Sinan19,you could call it a Cluster *uck?Sinan19 wrote:Wow. All of this is just so... weird. It's a total clusterf***.
But should you also decide that a person who just so happens to have worked on"Patient Citations"(Flaxman)on DNA,trace evidence,who may have received phone calls,from a Witness to an Abduction from the vicinity of 5a Ocean Club Apartments 3 May 2007?
Jane Tanners Partner Russell O Brien worked at the same Medical Training Centre,there does seem to be a list of people with very close connections to the Exeter Area?
Robert Murat,Jane Tanner,Russell O'Brien,(Christine flaxman LCI,DNA)?
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Re: Jane Tanner Liar?
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Re: Jane Tanner Liar?
by PaulF99 02.12.24 17:59
So on May 1st, Gerry flirts with a gym instructor after inviting her to join the table.
Kate who has anger management issues may or may not be there at the table but she makes / receives several phone calls between 10pm and 1030pm.
Maddie cries for 75 mins between 1030pm and 1145pm.
The patio door slides open at 1145pm and Maddie is silent immediately. (Mrs Fenn statment)
Later when asked about the crying, the McCanns come up with at least two versions of what happened whilst being interviewd by the BEEB and Sky.
Next morning, at 8.21am JT contacts a DNA expert who texts back at five past ten the same morning and Jane lies about the woman's name and why they were in contact with each other.
By Thursday evening the apartment is bleached clean and Maddie's DNA is nowhere.
Connect the dots people! It ain't rocket science.
Kate who has anger management issues may or may not be there at the table but she makes / receives several phone calls between 10pm and 1030pm.
Maddie cries for 75 mins between 1030pm and 1145pm.
The patio door slides open at 1145pm and Maddie is silent immediately. (Mrs Fenn statment)
Later when asked about the crying, the McCanns come up with at least two versions of what happened whilst being interviewd by the BEEB and Sky.
Next morning, at 8.21am JT contacts a DNA expert who texts back at five past ten the same morning and Jane lies about the woman's name and why they were in contact with each other.
By Thursday evening the apartment is bleached clean and Maddie's DNA is nowhere.
Connect the dots people! It ain't rocket science.
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Re: Jane Tanner Liar?
by PaulF99 02.12.24 21:48
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Some useful info in this document.
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Re: Jane Tanner Liar?
by Clishmaclaver 02.12.24 22:48
@"PaulIF99"PaulF99 wrote:So on May 1st, Gerry flirts with a gym instructor after inviting her to join the table.
Kate who has anger management issues may or may not be there at the table but she makes / receives several phone calls between 10pm and 1030pm.
Maddie cries for 75 mins between 1030pm and 1145pm.
The patio door slides open at 1145pm and Maddie is silent immediately. (Mrs Fenn statment)
Later when asked about the crying, the McCanns come up with at least two versions of what happened whilst being interviewd by the BEEB and Sky.
Next morning, at 8.21am JT contacts a DNA expert who texts back at five past ten the same morning and Jane lies about the woman's name and why they were in contact with each other.
By Thursday evening the apartment is bleached clean and Maddie's DNA is nowhere.
Connect the dots people! It ain't rocket science.
I posted something about J.T. and the DNA expert on the Bernt Stellander Interview Thread on 7.10.24 -#622.
I was alerted by the J.T. rogatory and had a feeling I had read something about the texts a few years ago, couldn't quite remember.
As nobody made a comment, I felt a bit of a numpty, as I thought the topic could have been old hat and discussed to the death on the forum some years ago.
Anyway, it makes me think that Wednesday night was not when M died.
Could it also have had something to do with what was likely to be found in the apartment at Burgau?
I would like to be able to transfer my post to this thread, but don't know how to do it.
HELP! Many thanks in advance.
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Re: Jane Tanner Liar?
by CaKeLoveR 02.12.24 22:53
I'd help you with that but I'm a computer idiot. Somebody will sort it for you, though.
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Re: Jane Tanner Liar?
by AnneCGuedes 02.12.24 23:24
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Really worthwhile reading.
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Re: Jane Tanner Liar?
by AnneCGuedes 02.12.24 23:26
Clishmaclaver wrote:Anyway, it makes me think that Wednesday night was not when M died.
When do you think she died, Clishmaclaver, and why ?
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Re: Jane Tanner Liar?
by Clishmaclaver 03.12.24 0:24
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] - Like many of us here, I don't know when she died or why she died. I've gone down the rabbit hole many times and am really none the wiser! It drives me round the twist!AnneCGuedes wrote:Clishmaclaver wrote:Anyway, it makes me think that Wednesday night was not when M died.
When do you think she died, Clishmaclaver, and why ?
However, I tend to think that she died earlier in the week, as do/did a good number of people here and on other fora. That's simply because there was too much to do before the alarm was raised on the Thurs. evening, not least the cleaning up and the concoction of the narrative (s). I think I can remember seeing a list that Jill compiled some years ago ... and it was extensive!
Very little was said about activities on the Monday (Burgau, perhaps?) and, as far as we know, the McCs breakfasted and lunched apart from the group. I could list several things that were questionable about what happened during the week and odd twists, e.g. the last photo, phone records, Kids Club attendance, people in the area, etc. but all of that has been discussed and re-discussed on this forum and on others, so I'm not going to go through the motions here.
Why did she die? Again, I don't know. To keep things straightforward, I'll just go for the fall from the settee and maybe with sedation involved to some extent, or resuscitation after sedation went wrong - and that this would have occurred in the sofa area one evening before G & K went out - and be in keeping with blood spray on the walls (Genreith. de 'Just 5 Hours in May').
However, if other things were going on at PdL or round about that week, and a mixed bag of people from various professions were there for a particular reason, who knows? As for the massive cover-up which started more or less straight away, and its continuation to this day, added to the money that's been spent, who knows? Add to that the chopping and changing of narratives and lack of co-operation from the T9, again, who knows?
This is probably a poor answer to your question, so I'll apologise for it, Anne.
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Re: Jane Tanner Liar?
by AnneCGuedes 03.12.24 0:48
Thank you, Clishmaclaver, I'm sorry I didn't express myself correctly, "why" only concerned the "when" whether you had or not a conviction about the moment of death, actually why not on Wednesday ?
I agree with the sofa area and light sedation but why "before the parents went out" ?
I agree with the sofa area and light sedation but why "before the parents went out" ?
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Re: Jane Tanner Liar?
by Clishmaclaver 03.12.24 1:21
The fall from the sofa would no doubt have been when they were out.AnneCGuedes wrote:Thank you, Clishmaclaver, I'm sorry I didn't express myself correctly, "why" only concerned the "when" whether you had or not a conviction about the moment of death, actually why not on Wednesday ?
I agree with the sofa area and light sedation but why "before the parents went out"
I mentioned the resuscitation in the sofa area after sedation and before they went out, only because of Genreith's idea about M being given something (I'll not say what) before bedtime, which could have gone very wrong, hence resuscitation.
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It is interesting and anaphylactic shock could have been involved.
I did say in my post on the other thread - Bernt Stellander Interview [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] - that G & K wouldn't have gone out if it had happened before the children went to bed. Then, again, who knows? We don't know everything about their movements and lies have been told. T staff could have been confused, also. One could have gone out and then the other could have followed at some point. And there was supposed to be someone missing from the table each night!
Perhaps resuscitation did take place when they discovered M after having been out, and thought there was a chance of survival, hence the fine blood spray on walls, curtains and sofa back.
Anyway, a big mystery. -- or CMOMM.
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Re: Jane Tanner Liar?
by AnneCGuedes 03.12.24 14:46
So you think "it" could have happened on Thursday. I think anaphylactic shock happens within minutes, but I doubt that K would give a new substance to M or increase the dose.
Anyway do you eliminate the possibility of that scenario occurring on Wednesday ?
Anyway do you eliminate the possibility of that scenario occurring on Wednesday ?
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by Clishmaclaver 03.12.24 15:17
No ... I didn't say that I thought 'it' happened on the Thursday. In my posts yesterday, I said that my feeling is that there was too much to be done and 'it' could have happened earlier in the week, as has been thought by many. If it happened on the Wed. evening, I still think the same way. I try keep an open mind about that, however, and I wasn't going to argue with B.S., especially after he started turning on people!!AnneCGuedes wrote:So you think "it" could have happened on Thursday. I think anaphylactic shock happens within minutes, but I doubt that K would give a new substance to M or increase the dose.
Anyway do you eliminate the possibility of that scenario occurring on Wednesday ?
I have to bear in mind that the McCs and friends were young, well above av. intelligence, and could think and move quickly, due to their profession. As I'm older, I am finding that hard to imagine! We also don't quite know about the assistance they had around the time of, and after, the 'event'.
I think Genreith's theory is interesting where resuscitation is concerned, but I don't go along with the 'event' happening just before the children's bed-time. Maybe he wasn't thinking about timing.
I think the anaphylactic shock theory, after a particular drug being introduced is also interesting, but maybe a bit too far fetched.
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Re: Jane Tanner Liar?
by AnneCGuedes 03.12.24 16:05
Clishmaclaver wrote:
I have to bear in mind that the McCs and friends were young, well above av. intelligence, and could think and move quickly, due to their profession. As I'm older, I am finding that hard to imagine!
Hard to imagine, yes, (though those people weren't properly young), this is even how you realize you're getting old..
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