Re: Tony accepts Jayelles' challenge - but she ducks it

by Me 15.06.11 9:18

Stella wrote:
Me wrote:

MMRG quote: Only Kate McCann's fingerprints were found on the window.
Actually: Using
the word "only" is disingenuous. It suggests there were no other
fingerprints found other than Kate's. Five fingerprints belonging to
Kate McCann were found on the inside of the window, which isn’t unusual for someone who was residing in the apartment. But these are not the only
fingerprints that were found. The fingerprints report also mentions
three inadequate fingerprints found on the outside of the shutters. The
report doesn't mention the outside of the window and the inside of the
shutters ever being examined or the doorknobs.

In my eyes, there is a clear divide between the window and the shutter. The fact remains Kate's fingerprints were the only ones found on the window. Yes, we still have some unusable prints found on the outside of the shutter, but in my opinion that is a different matter altogether and should be treated seperately.

Your comment about "someone residing in the apartment", up until recently I would have to agree with. But now that Kate mentions in her book that she never once opened the window or raised the shutter and as such that it remained dark in the children's bedroom all week. If as she claims she never opened the window or raised the shutter, why was her prints found on the window? Also, if the room was dark all week during the day, would she have bothered to close the curtains at night?, I somehow doubt that very much. If she left them open, who closed them on the night Madeleine was reported missing?

Hi Stella,

Do you have the direct quote from her book about her not opening the windows?

Also i agree regarding the fingerprints on the shutter. Surely they are not relevant if the shutter hasn't been forced open as first claimed?

What would have been relevant is if there were unusable fingerprints on the inside of the window suggesting someone had got into the apartment through the patio and opened the window and shutter.

What would have been relevant is if there were unusable prints on the outside of the shutter and the shutter had in fact been jemmied open.

But unusable prints on the outside of an jemmied shutter and no prints on the insdie window do not serve to add weight to the abduction theory.

by Guest 15.06.11 9:30

Having just re-read that bit, we have even more proof. She kept the curtains closed "all week" !!

Madeleine was very taken with the novelty of sharing a room with Sean and Amelie – at home she has her own – and it was nice to have them all together. She had the bed nearest the door, leaving the one by the window empty. On our arrival we had lowered the blind-style shutters on the outside of the windows, which were controlled from the inside, and closed the curtains. We left them that way all week. This early in the season, the nights were not that warm, there was no need to open a window and we reasoned that having the shutters down and the curtains drawn would keep it cool during the day. Although it meant the room was very dark, the children weren’t going to be in there in the daytime, and at night we always left the door ajar to let in a little light.

by Guest 15.06.11 9:32

I do remember somewhere there is a document or something that confirms when the window was cleaned. I will try and look for it.

by Ringo 15.06.11 10:51

Tony Bennett wrote:
Ringo wrote:It's a 50 plus page response to your leaflet, with sources and referenced back-up running to many more pages Tony and make the point most convincingly indeed that virtually all your 50 Facts are false, innacurate or misleading. Do you really not have the time or energy to defend yourself against this? Perhaps you have less confidence in your leaflet now that you have seen this.
Well, much of our energy in recent weeks has gone into distributing the leaflet, even to places where apparently folk like Edward Smethurst and Brian Kennedy have rushed to the front desk at Greater Manchester Police to complain that the leaflet is 'harassing' them [by the way, two weeks later, I haven't had a 6am dawn 'knock at the door'].

It's going well, though extra distributors are always welcome.

Maybe as we gear up for a second edition we shall be able to take account of Jayelles' suggested improvements.

P.S. I haven't actually seen any '50-page plus' response, can you ask Jayelles to send it to me, or at least tell me where I can find it, thanks!

http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39076140/Main-Page

You will see each of your 50 "facts" listed in blue and underlined - if you click on each one it will take you through to a full sourced rebuttal with further links to every source.

For your information this is taken from the summary -

How accurate is the 50 Facts Leaflet?

Following a thorough analysis of the 50 "facts", our fully sourced rebuttal proves the following:-

27 (54%) of the "Facts" are false.
11 (22%) of the "Facts" contain significant misquotations.
16 (32%) of the "Facts" are misleading or contain misrepresentations of the facts.
1 (2%) of the "Facts" is a rumour - even the source claims it to be so.
4 (8%) of the "Facts" are Irrelevant - unfortunately, three of these are the only claims which happen to be true!
2 (4%) of the "Facts" contain unsubstantiated claims.
3 (6%) of the "Facts" are based upon quotes which have been taken out of context. Many of these are also MISquotes.

This rather suggests you have your work cut out for you Tony, prior to the publication of the second edition!

by Ringo 15.06.11 10:54

Furthermore, exhaustive analysis of these '50 Facts the Media Aren't Telling us about' shows that 68% of these so-called facts actually came from the (mainly British) media in the first place (though you and your team neglected to show your sources for any of them!)

by sonic72 09.09.12 21:04

Wow, this Jaylees character is full of it! I suspect they are very friendly with the mccann's, kate especially.

What a coward for not revealing their identity, just another person who thinks being annoymous and having a keyboard means they can behave how they want. My advice to Jaylees is seek some psycological help, all is not right in their mind.

by sonic72 09.09.12 21:44

Let's for one minute pretend Maddy was abducted, if you're an abductor, and you only have a 'small window of opportunity' are you going to waste time trying to get a sleeping child through a window that is not designed very well to make the task of abduction easy?

Surely, if you were abducting her, you'd leave through the quickest exit, and then transfer her to a car parked at the side or rear of the apartment?

I'm just trying to get into the mind of an abductor, and it seems that if there was one, they left no trace, but chose a difficult and more time consuming method of removal?

The abduction theory is pretty weak imo.

by ProfessorPPlum 10.09.12 9:43

I took a minute to look at these so-called 'rebuttals'

http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39077415/Rebuttal-of-%22Fact%22-1

and what strikes me as outrageous that the rebuttal logic goes like this:

CLAIM:
• The McCanns asserted the shutters had been jemmied open
• They told all their relatives this 'fact'
• Subsequent examination showed that the shutters hadn't been jemmied open
• They changed their story about the patio doors being locked

Rebuttal
• No, they always said the patio doors were unlocked
• So there

It's amazing that whoever is writing this thinks that their rebuttal covers the main objection here: the claim that the window had been jemmied, forced or otherwise opened from the outside and the lack of evidence to back that up.

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