Re: BRICK Reviews

by crusader 03.09.24 17:24

And if it was the day before, it could even have been during the day, nobody would take any notice, even after Madeleine disappeared, nobody would link it to that night.

by Bluebagthepirate 03.09.24 17:30

crusader wrote:Thanks to Anne Guedes we now know,( well I didn't know but some might have done) that Martin Smith did contact the police about what he saw, but we don't know when do we? only to be fobbed off and told that was not news.
It was G Amaral who called in the Smith family to make statements on the 26th May.
He was definitely on the ball wasn't he.

I'd like to know how Anne knows.

When is important.

Evidence of fobbing off?

Smith said in his statement (quoted above) that what he saw was normal and common.

He read his statement and signed it.

by Justice for Maddie 03.09.24 17:31

I also wonder why the McCanns changed their rountine on Monday, April 30. Was Maddie already sick or something like that (perhaps from Calpol)?

by AnneCGuedes 03.09.24 17:32

crusader wrote:Thanks to Anne Guedes we now know,( well I didn't know but some might have done) that Martin Smith did contact the police about what he saw, but we don't know when do we? only to be fobbed off and told that was not news.
It was G Amaral who called in the Smith family to make statements on the 26th May.
He was definitely on the ball wasn't he.

It was Peter (who hardly looked at Smithman because he was worried about his wife) who drew the attention of the others before mid-May. The S family compared memories and Martin called the PJ who advised to call the Gardaï. Perhaps the Gardaï called the LC that called the PJ ?
On 7 May, at a press conference, the PJ declared that they refused to confirm the kidnapping that the MCs were continually claiming, more or less supported by the ambassador.
https://www.rtp.pt/noticias/pais/pj-recusa-confirmar-que-madeleine-foi-raptada_n44096
In spite of it, M is no more missing but abducted.
The PJ only declares that they are at work, while team MC is extremely active everywhere.
RM was made an arguido on May 15.
On 26 May, G read out a prepared statement welcoming the fact that the police, under pressure from the British ambassador, had launched an appeal for witnesses concerning a man seen carrying what could be a child on the night of May 3. "Because they were sure that this was linked to Madeleine's abduction, he asked the public if the man had been seen elsewhere with the child, in which direction he was going, if he had a motorbike".
It's funny that G should make this speech on the very day that three independent witnesses report another child carrier (this time, the child is in every way comparable to M). It is implausible that the MCs were not informed of this through Ricardo Paiva or any of the British officers who were in PdL. Yet they would not breathe a word about it until two years later.

by Bluebagthepirate 03.09.24 17:32

Justice for Maddie wrote:I also wonder why the McCanns changed their rountine on Monday, April 30. Was Maddie already sick or something like that (perhaps from Calpool)?

It wasn't a routine.

They had only been there a day and a bit.

by Justice for Maddie 03.09.24 17:38

Bluebagthepirate wrote:
Justice for Maddie wrote:I also wonder why the McCanns changed their rountine on Monday, April 30. Was Maddie already sick or something like that (perhaps from Calpool)?
It wasn't a routine.

They had only been there a day and a bit.

But they usually had breakfast at the restaurant, right? But suddenly they stayed in their apartment.

by crusader 03.09.24 17:38

Bluebag wrote
I'd like to know how Anne knows.

So would I, but she is very knowledgeable about a lot of things, so I've no reason to doubt her, I'm sure she will clarify.

Fobbing off, my words not Anne's.

by AnneCGuedes 03.09.24 17:47

Bluebagthepirate wrote:
AnneCGuedes wrote:

A father carrying his child in the street, whereas many parents pick up their child from the night crèche and carry it back home, is no news. At least, that's what Martin S was told when he phoned the police to talk about Smithman. However, the person MS spoke to mentioned it (no note in the PJFiles) and GA thought that Smithman might be RM who had just been made arguido. That's why he brought in three members of the S family. MS didn't mention RM in his (open) statement, what he says about him is an answer to a question.

Martin Smith statement:

"As he reached this artery, he saw an individual carrying a child, who walked normally and fitted in perfectly in that area, in that it is common to see people carrying children, at least during the holiday season."

At the bottom of the statement:

"He reads and finds it in conformity, ratifies and signs together with the interpreter."

Martin Smith said it was a common sight.

I wonder whose translation you chose... Because the official one is : "As he reached this artery, he crossed an individual holding a child. He notes that it is normal to see people carrying children, especially during the holiday season. This individual was walking the downward path, in the opposite direction. He is not aware where this person was headed. He only saw him as they passed each other. He assumed it was a father and daughter, not raising any suspicion.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

by Bluebagthepirate 03.09.24 17:50

McCann files.

Does it matter? He said it was normal.

How do you know he was fobbed off by the police earlier?

by Bluebagthepirate 03.09.24 17:52

Actually my quote is directly from the link you posted Anne.

by pinkgladioli 03.09.24 17:57

They say every day is a school day for me any way!

The McC’s have a member of their family who happened to be a reporter for the Sun newspaper how convenient for them and perfect time to arrive!
reporting from Portugal and PDL from 31 May

Headline title = Maddie Who?
Mark Sweeney in Portugal
5 June 2007
The Sun (Scotland)

by crusader 03.09.24 18:00

This is what Anne wrote.
A father carrying his child in the street, whereas many parents pick up their child from the night crèche and carry it back home, is no news. At least, that's what Martin S was told when he phoned the police to talk about Smithman.

It was me who cut it short and said fobbed off.

by AnneCGuedes 03.09.24 18:19

Bluebagthepirate wrote:Actually my quote is directly from the link you posted Anne.

Sorry, you're very right. I had corrected (on my blog) the translation made by hispanophone Ines. Because the meaning is not that MS was carrying the child normally but that it was normal for a father to carry his child in a street. "normal" is related to the presence of child carrier, no to the way of carrying.

But the anomaly is further, try to find it !

by Bluebagthepirate 03.09.24 20:55

I don't care how you interpret Smith about what he may or may not have said about an anomaly... the actual pictures speak for themselves.

There is no actual anomaly in real life.

by Bluebagthepirate 03.09.24 20:56

crusader wrote:This is what Anne wrote.
A father carrying his child in the street, whereas many parents pick up their child from the night crèche and carry it back home, is no news. At least, that's what Martin S was told when he phoned the police to talk about Smithman.

It was me who cut it short and said fobbed off.

I know.

You summed it up nicely.

by AnneCGuedes 03.09.24 21:12

Bluebagthepirate wrote:I don't care how you interpret Smith about what he may or may not have said about an anomaly... the actual pictures speak for themselves.

There is no actual anomaly in real life.

If a picture is all that counts, then it's a pity that no picture exists of what the 9 members of the S family saw on May 3 around 22:00. We only have their words, i.e nothing !

by Bluebagthepirate 03.09.24 21:15

AnneCGuedes wrote:
Bluebagthepirate wrote:I don't care how you interpret Smith about what he may or may not have said about an anomaly... the actual pictures speak for themselves.

There is no actual anomaly in real life.

If a picture is all that counts, then it's a pity that no picture exists of what the 9 members of the S family saw on May 3 around 22:00. We only have their words, i.e nothing !

?

Can you show us the anomaly from the actual pictures?

While you're there, can you tell us how you know Smith was fobbed off by the Police?

And when?

Not being funny, just trying to keep it real.

by Bluebagthepirate 03.09.24 21:26

It's not personal Anne, I hope we can discuss this without feelings coming into it.

by AnneCGuedes 03.09.24 21:32

I only know what MS said. He wasn't received like a whistle blower and, as his whole family thought the child looked very much like Madeleine, he was disappointed at the reaction, or rather lack of reaction.
Unlike you, I do care.
I never said there was an anomaly in the pic you insist refering to as evidence. MS and Mary S watched a television coverage, ie 24 images/s.

by Bluebagthepirate 03.09.24 21:44

AnneCGuedes wrote:I only know what MS said. He wasn't received like a whistle blower and, as his whole family thought the child looked very much like Madeleine, he was disappointed at the reaction, or rather lack of reaction.

What did he say and when?

Unlike you, I do care.

Oh I care alright.
I care to get to the bottom of stuff.

I never said there was an anomaly in the pic you insist refering to as evidence. MS and Mary S watched a television coverage, ie 24 images/s.

The pictures show Gerry coming down from the plane.

What is different in the videos that the pictures dont show? What is this anomaly?

by AnneCGuedes 03.09.24 21:54

[size=18]Maddie: Irishman provides dramatic new clues Daily Mail[/size]

(appeared in paper edition only)

EXCLUSIVE: Tourist met rude man carrying child in blanket on night Madeleine vanished

January 3, 2008

AN IRISH holidaymaker has spoken publicly for the first time of his disturbing encounter with a man carrying a child wrapped in a blanket on the night Madeleine McCann disappeared.

Now investigators hired by Madeleine's parents hope Martin Smith and his family can provide a crucial breakthrough.

Speaking from his home in Drogheda, Co. Louth, Mr Smith recalled the sighting, which is strikingly similar to one by a friend of the McCanns, Jane Tanner. In hindsight, the retired Mr Smith said, the mans rude behaviour should have aroused his suspicions.

He explained: "The one thing we noted afterwards was that he gave us no greeting.

"My wife Mary remembered afterwards that she asked him, 'Oh, is she asleep?' But he never acknowledged her one way or another.

"He just put his head down and averted his eyes. This is very unusual in a tourist town at such a quiet time of the year."

Their description of the barefoot child and the man, who wore beige trousers, echoes that of Miss Tanner, who said she saw a man carrying a sleeping child away from the McCanns apartment about 9.15pm.

Though the Smith family believe they met an almost identical man closer to 10pm, the coincidence prompted them to contact police after they returned to Ireland. Mr Smith said: "Luz is such a small place and so quiet, we felt a duty to tell police and let them decide if it was important."

Last night, McCann family spokesman Clarence Mitchell said detectives from the Spanish agency Metodo 3 now hoped to speak to the family. "Metodo 3 is being very methodical, working through a number of people they think might be able to help them, and this family will be on their list."

On the night of the disappearance, Mr Smith was dining with his wife in the Dolphin restaurant in Praia Da Luz, where they are frequent visitors.

The couple were with their daughter Aoife, their son Peter and his wife Sile,as well as four grandchildren Tadhg, Cole, Aisling and Eimear.

All nine met the man holding a child but their recollection differs slightly from Miss Tanner's.

"In the image she gave, the man was holding the child forward in his arms. The man we saw had put the child over his shoulders. But Luz was very, very quiet at that time of the year and the likelihood of two young children being carried around like this is very small.

"Also, our timings are a bit different. She saw the man at 9.15pm. We say 9.45or 9.50pm and the sighting was only a five-minute walk from where the child was staying.

"I dont know if this information will help the McCanns. We kept interested in whats going on but we tried to avoid the limelight."

The father of six yesterday said the Irish family would do anything they could to help the McCanns find their missing daughter.

"We have not been contacted by the private detective hired by the McCanns, and have had no contact with the investigating police since May 26 last year.

"But anything we can do to help try to solve it, we will." Recalling the event he witnessed, Mr Smith said it was some time before the family realised they could be star witnesses

"We were out the night it happened. My son and his family were leaving on the Friday and we were going for a family meal. We went home about 9.50pm and we heard nothing at all about Madeleine McCann until the next day.

"I was taking my son Peter to the airport and on my way back, I heard that a kidnapping had happened in the village of Luz.

"We were looking at all the commotion on Sky News and we really felt quite helpless.

"We had two grandchildren with us at the time, aged four and five, and it had a terrible effect on them.

"They all wanted to sleep in the same room as us until we went home on the Wednesday.

"We were home two weeks when my son rang up and asked was he dreaming or did we meet a man carrying a child the night Madeleine was taken. We all remembered that we had the same recollection. I felt we should report it to the police.

"I rang the Portuguese police and they took a statement from me on the phone.Then they asked me to make a statement to gardai, which I did in Drogheda two weeks after the disappearance.

"Two days later, Leicestershire police got on to us and said they wanted to speak to all nine of us. But we felt there was no point dragging grand children and the whole lot out to Portugal so just my eldest son, Peter, and youngest daughter, Aoife, and I flew to Luz to make a statement.

"The police were fairly busy and the station was pretty typical. They didnt seem to be the most efficient police you ever came across but they are probably no different to police anywhere else. We were interviewed separately and told them what we saw, and showed them on the map where we met the man and child.

"We spent the whole day there from 10.30am to 7pm with an interpreter. That day, May 26 last year, was the last time we had any contact with the investigation.I remember clearly because it was my wedding anniversary.

"I told them we went for dinner at the Dolphin Restaurant and then went on to have just one drink in Kelly's bar, just 50 yards away.

"We would normally have stayed out longer but my son and his family were going home the next day.

"As we made our way back to our apartment in Estrella da Luz, we met a guy with a child that appeared to be asleep.

"It looked like a blonde child, and I thought she might be four years old, as she was the same size as my grandchild who was with us.

"It was around 9.55pm and it was getting dark and he was looking downward so I couldnt tell you exactly what he looked like.

"None of us was 100 per cent sure what he was wearing but we all told police he was wearing beige trousers and a darker top. We all put him in his early 40s. I didnt think he was Portuguese." Insisting he knew chief suspect Robert Murat visually for years, Mr Smith told police the person he saw carrying a child could not be him.

"I told police it was definitely not him because the man wasn't as big as Murat. I think I would have definitely recognised him."

by Bluebagthepirate 03.09.24 21:58

"This is very unusual in a tourist town at such a quiet time of the year"

Not what he said in his statement.

So this was after May 28th.

by crusader 03.09.24 21:59

Anne Guedes wrote
There was an anomaly, it is indicated in MS's statement. He obviously didn't deduce from it that the child was dead, but his memory recorded the anomaly as it appears in his deposition 23 days later.

Please can you point out the anomaly in M Smith's statement.

by Bluebagthepirate 03.09.24 22:02

OH... and any mention of Smithman being Gerry seems to have disappeared.

I did see Clarence Mitchell mentioned in the article.

They now want to help the McCanns in any way they can.

Not sure where he says the Police fobbed him off.

by Bluebagthepirate 03.09.24 22:03

crusader wrote:Anne Guedes wrote
There was an anomaly, it is indicated in MS's statement. He obviously didn't deduce from it that the child was dead, but his memory recorded the anomaly as it appears in his deposition 23 days later.

Please can you point out the anomaly in M Smith's statement.

You keep saying that, but what is it?

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