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Had he been carrying a bag I would have said yes he could but not carrying a child like the description is. It is quite a long walk watching the excellent video. Carrying a three almost four year old that distance in that way would have been a real effort. He also would have passed a number of the green basura bins so could have put the body in one of those as the bins are emptied through the night.Justice for Maddie wrote:Nina wrote:What an excellent find Justice for Madeleine. Never seen that before. Lots of places to hide something but not a dead body you are carrying in your arms.Justice for Maddie wrote:Why did Mr. Smith change the statement about the sighting weeks later, because he saw Gerry carring Sean? Because it was Gerry? Or is it a red herring?
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Maybe he hid the body between rocks and bushes on the beach?
Why not? If Gerry was really Smithman he could hid the body between rocks and bushes in the beach area until the body removal. Did they investigate the beach area with dogs back then?
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AnneCGuedes wrote:PeterMac wrote:Pat is fixated on Smithman and it runing the risk of 'interpreting' the bits of evidence we have to fit her hypothesis
Like Clarke has done, and Wolters for that matter.
If I understand her position correctly, Smithman = Gerry carries the body down to the rocks just south of the Smithman point, hides her under an upturned boat, and tehn niops back ot the Tapas in time for the next Act
THEN - and this is the killer - he or they return during the night, retrieve the body and carry it along the beach to Rocha Negra where they hide it again.
I make no observation about the Full moon, cloudless sky, number of Police and tourists and dogs searching everywhere, fishing boats in the bay from around 3am, Smithman timing 9;58pm at the earliest, Alarm timing anywhere from 9:30pm to 10pm. or a lot more.
I am not saying it is wrong. I just don't see how it can work. And I see NO evidence for any of it.
There is surely no evidence of a concealing under an upturned boat (that was an idea of The dust under the carpet's Jeanne Darc, smart, but no..) and of a return during the night to retrieve the body etc.
I personnaly am "fixated" on Smithman (with a valid reason for that, and not only Pat's one), but I think also that the body had gone out of PdL before the sun rise, and not in the ocean. No evidence though except the MCs' extraordinary relief after 48 hours...
Yes, the McCanns were too relaxed and didn't search for Maddie.
Didn't a guy see Murat's girlfriend at a farmhouse with a child's body outside of PdL (according to the PJ Files)?
https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MICHAELA_WALCZUCH.htm
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Yes,crusader wrote:Bluebag wrote
Why do people still think Gerry was walking around with a high risk of meeting someone like had happened to him 45 minutes earlier?
I don't get it.
Somebody was walking around with a child though.
It was a normal sight as Smith himself said.
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I just can’t fathom why anyone in this situation could possibly wait nearly two weeks and have a light bulb moment at what they say they saw in a narrow street in a small town
Your comment contradicts the idea that Smithman was carrying the child normally. There was an anomaly, it is indicated in MS's statement. He obviously didn't deduce from it that the child was dead, but his memory recorded the anomaly as it appears in his deposition 23 days later.
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What anomaly?AnneCGuedes wrote:pinkgladioli wrote:
I just can’t fathom why anyone in this situation could possibly wait nearly two weeks and have a light bulb moment at what they say they saw in a narrow street in a small town
Your comment contradicts the idea that Smithman was carrying the child normally. There was an anomaly, it is indicated in MS's statement. He obviously didn't deduce from it that the child was dead, but his memory recorded the anomaly as it appears in his deposition 23 days later.
The pictures of Gerry getting off the plane are there for all to see.
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pinkgladioli made a perfectly reasonable comment, she was quoting me regards the "lightbulb moment".
That was my interpretation, the Smith's never said "lightbulb moment".
I think it would be a good thing to read all the recent comments in the thread before commenting so as to avoid any confusion.
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Justice for Maddie wrote:AnneCGuedes wrote:PeterMac wrote:Pat is fixated on Smithman and it runing the risk of 'interpreting' the bits of evidence we have to fit her hypothesis
Like Clarke has done, and Wolters for that matter.
If I understand her position correctly, Smithman = Gerry carries the body down to the rocks just south of the Smithman point, hides her under an upturned boat, and tehn niops back ot the Tapas in time for the next Act
THEN - and this is the killer - he or they return during the night, retrieve the body and carry it along the beach to Rocha Negra where they hide it again.
I make no observation about the Full moon, cloudless sky, number of Police and tourists and dogs searching everywhere, fishing boats in the bay from around 3am, Smithman timing 9;58pm at the earliest, Alarm timing anywhere from 9:30pm to 10pm. or a lot more.
I am not saying it is wrong. I just don't see how it can work. And I see NO evidence for any of it.
There is surely no evidence of a concealing under an upturned boat (that was an idea of The dust under the carpet's Jeanne Darc, smart, but no..) and of a return during the night to retrieve the body etc.
I personnaly am "fixated" on Smithman (with a valid reason for that, and not only Pat's one), but I think also that the body had gone out of PdL before the sun rise, and not in the ocean. No evidence though except the MCs' extraordinary relief after 48 hours...
Yes, the McCanns were too relaxed and didn't search for Maddie.
Didn't a guy see Murat's girlfriend at a farmhouse with a child's body outside of PdL (according to the PJ Files)?
https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MICHAELA_WALCZUCH.htm
ttps://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MICHAELA_WALCZUCH.htm
3. IDENTIFICATION OF MURAT'S GIRLFRIEND AND MOVING OF A CHILD'S BODY TO A HIDDEN AREA
Manuel informs us that the day after Madeleine's disappearance at about 4 or 5 pm when he was travelling on the ICI road at kilometre 718, he saw two stationary cars, an Audi A3 driven by a man and a green car (very special green colour) driven by a blonde woman. Subsequently we showed him a series of photographs that were in our possession amongst which the one with the closes resemblance was that of a woman who turns out to be Murat's girlfriend, Michaela Walczuch.
The cars were stationary; the green one was inside a farm where two elderly men live and separated by a metal fence and on the pavement of the road was the Audi. When Manuel drove past in his lorry he saw how the woman passed a bundle wrapped in a blanket over the fence, being convinced that this was a child. (Because of the way she was holding it and because it was wrapped in the blanket).
It should be noted that Manuel's manifestations seem reliable to us, in part because of the fear that he showed before and during our meeting as well as due to the successive contacts that we have had with him and the interest that he has always shown.
Manuel preferred to remain anonymous given that he was very frightened and did not want to give us his surnames. He drives a grey Renault Laguna, number plate 53 92 RF. In order for us to contact him he provided the email address of a relative:
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Hi yes I can confirm I was commenting in relation to your comment re light bulb momentcrusader wrote:I think something is being misunderstood.
pinkgladioli made a perfectly reasonable comment, she was quoting me regards the "lightbulb moment".
That was my interpretation, the Smith's never said "lightbulb moment".
I think it would be a good thing to read all the recent comments in the thread before commenting so as to avoid any confusion.
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'Philomena sporting a Celtic top' lol!Nina wrote:I would say this was true in as much as seeing the parents and their visitors looking as though they were on holiday rather than working incredibly hard to find their lost daughter. I remember clearly seeing a piece on a Spanish news programme showing a view filmed through shrubbery of the McCanns and again big sister Phil sat outside a cafebar looking as though they were having a wonderful time.pinkgladioli wrote:I’ve got no idea if the following is true although it mentions the McC’s and Kelly’s bar
My last and final word on the McCann’s, As you know I live on a small farm just outside Luz three months of the year. I have lived here for 25 years. I arrived in Luz, a week after Maddie vanished and I was here (where I am now) for a three month sabbatical.
I loved the whole McCann experience. On my first day of my sabbatical, I walked into town with my son. It’s a long walk but the weather was beautiful. We wandered down to the beach and the first person we bumped into (literally) was Gerry McCann, it was 9.30am and eight days after her dissapearance, he was standing in his swimmers, a phone in one hand and slugging San Miguel beer in the other, I couldn’t believe it. His twins were playing games with his sister Philomena, who was sporting a Celtic top. We then went up to the Baptists’s supermarket where we encountered Kate who was giggling with a friend and laughing at our oddly shaped and locally produced tomatoes.
The body language was odd to say the least to say the least and during the course of the next three months I bumped into them regularly in the local pubs (Kelly’s or The Bull) or the beach
John James site blog (Scottish football blog)
Posted by Jon Maddie case files
I wonder if their is any truth in this and if so is their a possibility of frequenting the bar at the same time as the Smiths?
Gives a new slant to "C'mon the Hoops"!!
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crusader wrote:I think something is being misunderstood.
pinkgladioli made a perfectly reasonable comment, she was quoting me regards the "lightbulb moment".
That was my interpretation, the Smith's never said "lightbulb moment".
I think it would be a good thing to read all the recent comments in the thread before commenting so as to avoid any confusion.
I was answering to "I just can’t fathom why anyone in this situation could possibly wait nearly two weeks". I should have suppressed the rest of the sentence, sorry !
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Apologies as I don’t understand what you are meaning please explain thank youAnneCGuedes wrote:crusader wrote:I think something is being misunderstood.
pinkgladioli made a perfectly reasonable comment, she was quoting me regards the "lightbulb moment".
That was my interpretation, the Smith's never said "lightbulb moment".
I think it would be a good thing to read all the recent comments in the thread before commenting so as to avoid any confusion.
I was answering to "I just can’t fathom why anyone in this situation could possibly wait nearly two weeks". I should have suppressed the rest of the sentence, sorry !
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Never seen this before. In fact I am seeing a lot today that is new to me and I have been involved in the case since 4th May 2007. Or maybe I am forgetting stuff. Was this sighting investigated?Justice for Maddie wrote:Justice for Maddie wrote:AnneCGuedes wrote:PeterMac wrote:Pat is fixated on Smithman and it runing the risk of 'interpreting' the bits of evidence we have to fit her hypothesis
Like Clarke has done, and Wolters for that matter.
If I understand her position correctly, Smithman = Gerry carries the body down to the rocks just south of the Smithman point, hides her under an upturned boat, and tehn niops back ot the Tapas in time for the next Act
THEN - and this is the killer - he or they return during the night, retrieve the body and carry it along the beach to Rocha Negra where they hide it again.
I make no observation about the Full moon, cloudless sky, number of Police and tourists and dogs searching everywhere, fishing boats in the bay from around 3am, Smithman timing 9;58pm at the earliest, Alarm timing anywhere from 9:30pm to 10pm. or a lot more.
I am not saying it is wrong. I just don't see how it can work. And I see NO evidence for any of it.
There is surely no evidence of a concealing under an upturned boat (that was an idea of The dust under the carpet's Jeanne Darc, smart, but no..) and of a return during the night to retrieve the body etc.
I personnaly am "fixated" on Smithman (with a valid reason for that, and not only Pat's one), but I think also that the body had gone out of PdL before the sun rise, and not in the ocean. No evidence though except the MCs' extraordinary relief after 48 hours...
Yes, the McCanns were too relaxed and didn't search for Maddie.
Didn't a guy see Murat's girlfriend at a farmhouse with a child's body outside of PdL (according to the PJ Files)?
https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MICHAELA_WALCZUCH.htm
ttps://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MICHAELA_WALCZUCH.htm
3. IDENTIFICATION OF MURAT'S GIRLFRIEND AND MOVING OF A CHILD'S BODY TO A HIDDEN AREA
Manuel informs us that the day after Madeleine's disappearance at about 4 or 5 pm when he was travelling on the ICI road at kilometre 718, he saw two stationary cars, an Audi A3 driven by a man and a green car (very special green colour) driven by a blonde woman. Subsequently we showed him a series of photographs that were in our possession amongst which the one with the closes resemblance was that of a woman who turns out to be Murat's girlfriend, Michaela Walczuch.
The cars were stationary; the green one was inside a farm where two elderly men live and separated by a metal fence and on the pavement of the road was the Audi. When Manuel drove past in his lorry he saw how the woman passed a bundle wrapped in a blanket over the fence, being convinced that this was a child. (Because of the way she was holding it and because it was wrapped in the blanket).
It should be noted that Manuel's manifestations seem reliable to us, in part because of the fear that he showed before and during our meeting as well as due to the successive contacts that we have had with him and the interest that he has always shown.
Manuel preferred to remain anonymous given that he was very frightened and did not want to give us his surnames. He drives a grey Renault Laguna, number plate 53 92 RF. In order for us to contact him he provided the email address of a relative:
Now do any of the named cars match up with any that Murat, his mum or girlfriend owned?
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pinkgladioli wrote:Apologies as I don’t understand what you are meaning please explain thank youAnneCGuedes wrote:crusader wrote:I think something is being misunderstood.
pinkgladioli made a perfectly reasonable comment, she was quoting me regards the "lightbulb moment".
That was my interpretation, the Smith's never said "lightbulb moment".
I think it would be a good thing to read all the recent comments in the thread before commenting so as to avoid any confusion.
I was answering to "I just can’t fathom why anyone in this situation could possibly wait nearly two weeks". I should have suppressed the rest of the sentence, sorry !
A father carrying his child in the street, whereas many parents pick up their child from the night crèche and carry it back home, is no news. At least, that's what Martin S was told when he phoned the police to talk about Smithman. However, the person MS spoke to mentioned it (no note in the PJFiles) and GA thought that Smithman might be RM who had just been made arguido. That's why he brought in three members of the S family. MS didn't mention RM in his (open) statement, what he says about him is an answer to a question.
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I loved the whole McCann experience. On my first day of my sabbatical, I walked into town with my son. It’s a long walk but the weather was beautiful. We wandered down to the beach and the first person we bumped into (literally) was Gerry McCann, it was 9.30am and eight days after her dissapearance, he was standing in his swimmers, a phone in one hand and slugging San Miguel beer in the other, I couldn’t believe it. His twins were playing games with his sister Philomena, who was sporting a Celtic top. We then went up to the Baptists’s supermarket where we encountered Kate who was giggling with a friend and laughing at our oddly shaped and locally produced tomatoes.
The body language was odd to say the least to say the least and during the course of the next three months I bumped into them regularly in the local pubs (Kelly’s or The Bull) or the beach
John James site blog (Scottish football blog)
Posted by Jon Maddie case files "
HOGWASH.
Phat Philomena did not arrive until 23rd 3 weeks after the 'event'm the dame day GM returned from the UK with Mitchell
She probably brought the memory stick with the doctored Pool Photo on it, which allowed Mitchell to send it to the APF on 23rd and for it to be published on 24th
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I wonder if it was Patricia Cameron he saw?
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A father carrying his child in the street, whereas many parents pick up their child from the night crèche and carry it back home, is no news. At least, that's what Martin S was told when he phoned the police to talk about Smithman. However, the person MS spoke to mentioned it (no note in the PJFiles) and GA thought that Smithman might be RM who had just been made arguido. That's why he brought in three members of the S family. MS didn't mention RM in his (open) statement, what he says about him is an answer to a question.
Martin Smith statement:
"As he reached this artery, he saw an individual carrying a child, who walked normally and fitted in perfectly in that area, in that it is common to see people carrying children, at least during the holiday season."
At the bottom of the statement:
"He reads and finds it in conformity, ratifies and signs together with the interpreter."
Martin Smith said it was a common sight.
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She didn’t arrive until the 5th Maycrusader wrote:Nina's not the only one seeing new things today.
I wonder if it was Patricia Cameron he saw?
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It was G Amaral who called in the Smith family to make statements on the 26th May.
He was definitely on the ball wasn't he.
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She didn’t arrive until the 5th May
That's right, Jon? the poster said he arrived in Praia da Luz a week after Madeleine went missing, P. Cameron would have already been there.
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Yes could possibly be Patricia in the c’mon the hoops top
I’m still chuckling at the vision of Phat Philo wearing one
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I could certainly go with the pantomime being as believable as they could make it. Tannerman was part of it imo as were the whooshing curtains and the open window. So a sighting of a man carrying a shape down towards the beach area could be just another layer of the story. It was mostly a dark route though with a lot of open areas of scrub and boarded up properties so why that route. There was a quicker way down to the main beach area or was that too public? I am getting confused nowCake Lover wrote:What if, and it's a huge what if - I don't believe it myself - Madeleine had been secreted before The McCann's decided an 'abductor' needed to be seen? G McCann could walk about carrying something constructed to resemble a small child, such as a beach towel, or a blanket. Or he could be toting a bag? If an explanation were required all he had to say was 'I'm taking these towels/blankets back'. Back where doesn't matter. He could drop his bundle anywhere - in a bin, on the beach. He could be carrying out a double bluff. Or something. My imagination is wild.
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