Re: Norwegian ex-military detective claims to have solved Madeleine case

by **PeterMac** 30.05.24 9:11

crusader wrote:I thought she died, Casa Liliana had been demolished and is now a block of apartments.

Which probably means the drive was dug up to lay foundations . . .

by crusader 30.05.24 9:32

Another "coincidence" he just happened to be in Praia da Luz in early May 2007.
The article said he sold the villa in 2002 but still continued to rent.
Or does it mean he lived there all the time.
He died at his hone in England 2009

by Liz Eagles 30.05.24 14:00

PeterMac wrote:This is a long term strategic chess game. Or perhaps POKER would be a better analogy,
Stellanger knows what is in his hand, and what they hold.
He has revealed a small part so far, to push up the bidding.
He has more cards to play, and some still ‘up his sleeve’
They don;t. They have committed everything to paper, tape, books, and film a long time ago.
He may have got some tiny details wrong, (which he does IMHO) but they do not alter the fundamental fact,
Madeleine Beth Mccann was NOT ABDUCTED from 5A on Thursday 3/May/2007
she DIED in 5A on an earlier date,
And everything they did after that day, whether it be 29/4 or 2/5. The timeline, the changed statements, the forgery of the Pool photo, the public jogging up the hill in matching outfits . .
And above all in English law and committed in England - THE FUND . . has been a Fraud, A conspiracy to Pervert the Course of Justice.
and has incidentally included Procuring an unlawful imprisonment, and several other specific offences known to English Law,.
stellander has shown the first half of his hand.
The next move is theirs
They can up the stakes OR Fold
Or one of the Tapas with an OUNCE of common decency can tell the truth, do the decent thing. Act honourably.

It's a sad analogy to describe the possible resolution for the demise of a three year old girl as a game of chess or a game of poker. Bernie has already admitted he wants to be paid for his book. I don't feel comfortable with this.

by **Jill Havern** 30.05.24 15:01

It costs a lot of money for a book to be professionally produced - they all need paying...do you think they should all work for free because it's in a 'good cause', or something?

Editors
Designers
Printers
Publishers
Agents
PR
Etc.

by crusader 30.05.24 15:12

If it has the desired effect, he deserves all the money he can get, in my opinion.
The author of this book on the Mystery of what happened to Madeleine, has gone far beyond all other authors in his endeavours to find out what happened.
I begrudge him nothing.

by Liz Eagles 30.05.24 15:21

Jill Havern wrote:It costs a lot of money for a book to be professionally produced - they all need paying...do you think they should all work for free because it's in a 'good cause', or something?

Editors
Printers
Publishers
Agents
PR
Etc.

Producing a book so heavy and unreadable it needs to be hacked into pieces in order to read it is a giggle, especially when the author and publisher call it a brick and seem not to have a clue as to distribution and carriage costs seems bloody amateur to me.

Then there is the promise of more to come and dubious affiliation with sketchy, so called journalists who are told to feel the weight.

Forgive me for being jaded and cynical.

by **Jill Havern** 30.05.24 15:22

Have you got your book yet crusader?

by crusader 30.05.24 15:29

No not yet.
I take it you won't be bothering buying or reading about it then Liz. laugh

by Liz Eagles 30.05.24 15:54

crusader wrote:No not yet.
I take it you won't be bothering buying or reading about it then Liz.

I'll read about it and wait to be convinced this is not a hoax for financial gain to exploit the most exploited little girl.

by **Jill Havern** 30.05.24 16:06

So you haven't been reassured by the Review of our resident retired long-service Police Superintendent detective, and his subsequent letter to Operation Grange?

by Cake Lover 30.05.24 16:25

I was suspicious at first, but this man has dedicated years of his time and money; no doubt with no assistance, for obvious reasons. He's been more cunning, more imaginative and more pro active in drawing out some response from the McCann sect than any police force or individual.

by **PeterMac** 30.05.24 21:15

He has also used some tried and tested CROP techniques and other ways of obtaining evidence normally out of bounds to Police officers, but which are open to Investigative Journalists
Sad that so few who style themselves as such actually use them !

by **PeterMac** 31.05.24 7:46

One of the features of a decent book is that it challenges, and forces us/ me to think about what I thought I knew
FD's conclusion is that Madeleine died during the evening of Wednesday 2/5/7, was discovered, and that either attempts were made to resuscitate or she was already clearly dead, AND was then moved that same evening or during the early hours of the night to the location where as Kate informed us, she lay "cold and mottled, on a big grey stone slab." (p.103)

But three months later the dogs alerted to human blood and to cadaverine in the apartment. Going back to the endless cadaverine threads from 16 YEARS ago (yes really !), and remembering what we think we do from them, this scenario might not allow enough time for cadaverine to develop and to contaminate the floor tiles behind the sofa.
So do we now dismiss the theory on these grounds alone, or do we look further. ? Can the cadaverine be reconciled with FD's script ?

A re-cap. Cadaverine is a breakdown product of the Amino acid Lysine. Lysine is one of the essential Amino acids which cannot be synthesised by the human body and must therefore be ingested. During the process of digestion, it, along with all other products of digestion which are to be absorbed by the body, PASSES INTO THE BLOOD STREAM. That is how the digestive process works.

So we look in the medical literature and find lists of the amounts of the amino acids normally found in blood

https://www.ucsfhealth.org/medical-tests/plasma-amino-acids is a good start
Lysine:

Children: 120 to 290
Adults: 150 to 220

micromoles per litre, (µmol.l-1) if you are interested

So we no longer need an entire BODY lying for a long time on the floor, leaking cadaverine
All we need is Blood, which over the three months decays with the lysine creating cadaverine

Something Kate perhaps did not know, when she told us how long the body had been in the apartment before it was moved.
"Did they really believe that a dog could smell the ‘odour of death’ three months later from a body that had been removed so swiftly? p 219

Actually she tells us this TWICE in the same paragraph
"I struggled to understand how, never mind why, somebody could have killed Madeleine and removed her body within such a short time frame." p.218-9. (Kindle edition)

And as Statement analysts will tell us, something repeated is likely to be true and important. But twice in the same paragraph ! ! !

This does not tell us whether FPs scenario is the correct one, of course.
Only that it is plausible and coherent, and cannot be ruled out on these grounds

by crusader 31.05.24 8:57

I get that, but wouldn't Keela have alerted to the blood in the McCann's bedroom?
If Eddie was alerting to the cadaver odour in the blood, why didn't Keela alert to the dried blood.
She showed no interest near the wardrobe.
I've just remembered, Martin Grime said the odour could have accumulated in that area.

So there was need for blood to be present.

by Liz Eagles 31.05.24 11:45

Jill Havern wrote:So you haven't been reassured by the Review of our resident retired long-service Police Superintendent detective, and his subsequent letter to Operation Grange?

PeterMac's integrity has and never will be questionable. He is above reproach and has dedicated himself to finding justice for Madeleine and justice for Goncalo Amaral.

by **Jill Havern** 31.05.24 12:38

Exactly.

But in this one instance you think he's been taken in by a 'sketchy' individual with 'dubious credentials' to the point where he took it upon himself to write letters to Operation Grange - and other people, including MPs about the revelations in this book?

Your doubts are based on what - the size of the book?

Would you prefer it if the publishers printed 3 volumes and risk not all of them being bought at the same time and only having part of the story? Or doing as we did and, for comfort, dissect it into 3?

Does the size of the 'brick' really matter? What it shows is the extraordinary amount of investigative work, over 7 years, that went into this. No one else has been out into the Hills and planted field cameras and captured those of interest on film.

In my opinion we have to give Bernt a chance. For the past 7 years he's known what he's doing...and continues to know what he's doing to make the McCanns and the 'golden nuggets' sweat and see who crumbles.

As Peter pointed out, the McCanns have already submitted their own words to articles, books, official statements, documentaries, videos etc, so they cannot rewrite history.

by Liz Eagles 31.05.24 12:45

The field camera footage is yet to be revealed.

by **Jill Havern** 31.05.24 12:48

For good reason.

by **Jill Havern** 31.05.24 13:06

To me, this is like a game of Chess and the McCanns are now in 'Check'. What move will they make next?

Chess players always look more than one move ahead, and will need to rethink their strategy as the game progresses.

His 'Check' move was to publish this book. To let them all know what he's got.

But you can't show your next move (the release of the website) until they've made theirs.

'Check mate' will be his next move, depending on theirs.

For the past few years I had completely lost interest in this case thinking that nothing was ever going to happen, to the point of almost closing the forum.

But then along came Bernt Stellander...va-va-voom!!

by Cake Lover 31.05.24 13:09

I wish they would hurry up big grin

. They will have to make a move eventually. One of their friends might be thinking that if h/she breaks cover, they will look good for being first.

by crusader 31.05.24 13:59

I have never for 1 second lost interest, I'm in till the end or the end of me. big grin

Bernie's book, (I can be familiar as well Sonia) will bring more to the table than any other book written on the case and I hope it brings the desired outcome.
I'm sure it will/has rattled a few cages.
I wonder if he's had a visit from Operation Grange yet.

My book still hasn't arrived. Hissyfit

by **Jill Havern** 31.05.24 14:03

I'm not sure Sharon's book has arrived yet either, or she would have said by now.

by Cake Lover 31.05.24 14:14

Was there an estimated delivery date quoted when you ordered the book?

by **Jill Havern** 31.05.24 14:21

I didn't order a book...PeterMac ordered the books and sent one to me, Sharon and Tony.

I will still order a digital version though when it becomes available.

by crusader 31.05.24 14:26

I think there was when I ordered mine, but I don't know when it was.
It was ordered last Friday so it shouldn't be long now.

by Cake Lover 31.05.24 14:50

Be ready with a saw nod

by Ladyinred 31.05.24 15:03

Cake Lover wrote:I wish they would hurry up . They will have to make a move eventually. One of their friends might be thinking that if h/she breaks cover, they will look good for being first.

I don't think we will hear anything from the mainplayers yet, I suspect they are consulting their legals. As suggested by others here, the silence of the MSM tells us so much.

We wait... waiting

by Cake Lover 31.05.24 15:10

The main players are in a huge panic, I hope. As for the msm, something's gotta give. I'm almost drooling about what's to come.

by Ladyinred 31.05.24 15:29

I'm thinking about the case a lot at the moment because of the new book. All those involved, it's huge. David Payne's early evening visit on 3rd, for example. How is he going to explain that?

by Cake Lover 31.05.24 15:40

You're right, it is huge, and we're in for some surprises, perhaps with a few guest stars.

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