There was an entry on the CATS system in the name of Gerald McCann which has since been wiped out.
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There was an entry on the CATS system in the name of Gerald McCann which has since been wiped out.
by sharonl 13.03.21 16:52
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Cartas Rogatorias Vol III
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Leicestershire Police Force
From: DC443 J.N. HUGHES
To: SIO, Operation Task
Department: Main Crime Unit
Date: 16th May 2008
Refª
Subject: Background Information- Gerald McCANN
Dear Sirs
In response to your letter of request, I can provide the following information regarding the above-mentioned subject
Gerald McCann was born on June 5, 1968 in Scotland.
He is the bearer of British passport No **********.
He lives with his wife and children at ************, Rothley, Leicestershire.
The house is subject to a mortgage for the amount with the Northern Rock Bank.
There is no report or statement of bank credit cards listed in the research carried out. However I was alerted to the fact that if an individuals maintains an open account with the same bank or a credit card for a long period of time, these details do not appear in this type of research.
He works for the NHS as a cardiologist at Glenfield hospital.
His previous address was *********, Queniborough, Leicestershire.
His phone number is ******** and he has a mobile phone Vodafone No **********.
He is the owner of two vehicles registered in the PNC, a light blue Volkswagen Passat - R119 and a green BVV VW Touran.
No record was found in the National Police Computer. Search reference NE91/0031.
A search of the crime location and information system only indicates that Mr McCann was the victim of a theft of golf clubs from inside his car in the drive way to his home on 01/04/2006. Criminal Reference NQ/010145/06-9
A search of the local section of the child abuse shows a registration number 19309 in the CATS system. A consultation with the DC Soand from the department in question confirms that this is just a file reference, but as a complement to Operation Task system for the purpose of reference, if any investigation should be necessary by the department. No work has been done on the basis of this file.
An examination of all other police files using a search system does not reveal any information about him.
Submitted for your information.
Cartas Rogatorias Vol III
Page 27
Leicestershire Police Force
From: DC443 J.N. HUGHES
To: SIO, Operation Task
Department: Main Crime Unit
Date: 16th May 2008
Refª
Subject: Background Information- Gerald McCANN
Dear Sirs
In response to your letter of request, I can provide the following information regarding the above-mentioned subject
Gerald McCann was born on June 5, 1968 in Scotland.
He is the bearer of British passport No **********.
He lives with his wife and children at ************, Rothley, Leicestershire.
The house is subject to a mortgage for the amount with the Northern Rock Bank.
There is no report or statement of bank credit cards listed in the research carried out. However I was alerted to the fact that if an individuals maintains an open account with the same bank or a credit card for a long period of time, these details do not appear in this type of research.
He works for the NHS as a cardiologist at Glenfield hospital.
His previous address was *********, Queniborough, Leicestershire.
His phone number is ******** and he has a mobile phone Vodafone No **********.
He is the owner of two vehicles registered in the PNC, a light blue Volkswagen Passat - R119 and a green BVV VW Touran.
No record was found in the National Police Computer. Search reference NE91/0031.
A search of the crime location and information system only indicates that Mr McCann was the victim of a theft of golf clubs from inside his car in the drive way to his home on 01/04/2006. Criminal Reference NQ/010145/06-9
A search of the local section of the child abuse shows a registration number 19309 in the CATS system. A consultation with the DC Soand from the department in question confirms that this is just a file reference, but as a complement to Operation Task system for the purpose of reference, if any investigation should be necessary by the department. No work has been done on the basis of this file.
An examination of all other police files using a search system does not reveal any information about him.
Submitted for your information.
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Re: There was an entry on the CATS system in the name of Gerald McCann which has since been wiped out.
by Guest 13.03.21 17:08
'Just a file reference' - could this mean that he was involved in a child abuse case as the person who reported it, perhaps in his professional capacity?
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Re: There was an entry on the CATS system in the name of Gerald McCann which has since been wiped out.
by Cammerigal 14.03.21 10:17
The CATs file answer is bollox, to create a smokescreen.
The more important question one would immediately ask is; WHEN was the McCann CATS file created?
A system data file can never be deleted, but yes its contents (data fields) can be emptied.
Files are not created 'just for reference'. If it was a test file, it would have special flags.
Additionally, as a SME, we would look at the adjacent files; 19308 and 19310 to assess their creation dates and validity of contents.
Then we would look at all the editors of the file CATs 19309 (who inserted and removed the contents).
The answer is there, in the system file history.
The more important question one would immediately ask is; WHEN was the McCann CATS file created?
A system data file can never be deleted, but yes its contents (data fields) can be emptied.
Files are not created 'just for reference'. If it was a test file, it would have special flags.
Additionally, as a SME, we would look at the adjacent files; 19308 and 19310 to assess their creation dates and validity of contents.
Then we would look at all the editors of the file CATs 19309 (who inserted and removed the contents).
The answer is there, in the system file history.
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Re: There was an entry on the CATS system in the name of Gerald McCann which has since been wiped out.
by Verdi 15.03.21 0:07
Cor blimey, you do like a bit of salacious gossip don't you.
What goes in a computer is by the hand of a human, what comes out the other end is by the hand of a human, what goes on in between is by the hand of a human.
That aside, if the Portuguese police thought there was even an incline of evidence to suggest the parents of a missing child were in some way connected with child abuse, it would most certainly be documented in the investigative files.
I believe this issue to be yet another case of looking for something that just ain't there. Follow the evidence and you can't go wrong but purposely misconstruing vague unconfirmed trivia is borderline scandal mongering.
Firstly, you need to fully understand the UK CATS system. A named person recorded does not necessarily imply that person is a known or suspected child abuser, that's not how it works.
I do not know how the CATS system works so I decline to even consider the implication that Gerry and Kate McCann are registered child sex offenders based only on the premise of a file reference number - incidentally a file number that could apply to any number of reasons. It is not child abuse specific.
If you believe an empty (sanitized
) file exists, naming Gerry and Kate McCann as child sex offenders, for all to see and question then all I can say is you are seriously delusional.
What goes in a computer is by the hand of a human, what comes out the other end is by the hand of a human, what goes on in between is by the hand of a human.
That aside, if the Portuguese police thought there was even an incline of evidence to suggest the parents of a missing child were in some way connected with child abuse, it would most certainly be documented in the investigative files.
I believe this issue to be yet another case of looking for something that just ain't there. Follow the evidence and you can't go wrong but purposely misconstruing vague unconfirmed trivia is borderline scandal mongering.
Firstly, you need to fully understand the UK CATS system. A named person recorded does not necessarily imply that person is a known or suspected child abuser, that's not how it works.
I do not know how the CATS system works so I decline to even consider the implication that Gerry and Kate McCann are registered child sex offenders based only on the premise of a file reference number - incidentally a file number that could apply to any number of reasons. It is not child abuse specific.
If you believe an empty (sanitized
) file exists, naming Gerry and Kate McCann as child sex offenders, for all to see and question then all I can say is you are seriously delusional. ____________________
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Re: There was an entry on the CATS system in the name of Gerald McCann which has since been wiped out.
by Cammerigal 15.03.21 10:55
Where are you trying to take us on this thread, from your admitted lack of competence and knowledge on how generic IT systems work, and specifically, the UK police CATS file database system?
I would expect an enlightened and positive support on how some of the previously intractable issues can still be analysed, assessed and conclusions drawn on the sparse evidence available.
Please, if you must, let us be specific about human error, how we detect it and also manage it out via diverse coding methods.
We do need to recognise the numerous human interfaces (the users, data inputters, IT admin layer, systems security monitors etc) involved with complex software and hardware systems and more importantly, how the data they contain is presented (in the form of ASCII file print spooled reports, or PC terminals via emulators) and all inputs and outputs can be found, via the system file logging of each and every system entry with a time date stamp. Some of us here may even recognise how authorised and unauthorised modifications are made, and how we find them on a forensic audit.
We may well find that there are still serious findings to arise, via the collective SME's on the forum who CAN forensically analyse IT system information, such as the Ocean club hotel booking system records, the Budget car rental dockets, UK Drivers licences & UK passports as found in the PJ files. The truth is out there.
I would expect an enlightened and positive support on how some of the previously intractable issues can still be analysed, assessed and conclusions drawn on the sparse evidence available.
Please, if you must, let us be specific about human error, how we detect it and also manage it out via diverse coding methods.
We do need to recognise the numerous human interfaces (the users, data inputters, IT admin layer, systems security monitors etc) involved with complex software and hardware systems and more importantly, how the data they contain is presented (in the form of ASCII file print spooled reports, or PC terminals via emulators) and all inputs and outputs can be found, via the system file logging of each and every system entry with a time date stamp. Some of us here may even recognise how authorised and unauthorised modifications are made, and how we find them on a forensic audit.
We may well find that there are still serious findings to arise, via the collective SME's on the forum who CAN forensically analyse IT system information, such as the Ocean club hotel booking system records, the Budget car rental dockets, UK Drivers licences & UK passports as found in the PJ files. The truth is out there.
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Re: There was an entry on the CATS system in the name of Gerald McCann which has since been wiped out.
by Silentscope 15.03.21 11:42
We find some Information available on the CATS-System on the website of the WPC-SoftwareCompany which actually sells the system to UK police forces and government:
The →CATS Software (Case Administration and Tracking System) consists of three modules - Child Protection, Domestic Abuse and Vulnerable Adult. The CATS system was developed in the absence of a national database for Child Protection, and in light of the recommendation in Lord Laming's Report into the death of Victoria Climbie that Chief Constables must ensure that their police force has in use an effective Child Protection database and IT management system.
The →CATS Software (Case Administration and Tracking System) consists of three modules - Child Protection, Domestic Abuse and Vulnerable Adult. The CATS system was developed in the absence of a national database for Child Protection, and in light of the recommendation in Lord Laming's Report into the death of Victoria Climbie that Chief Constables must ensure that their police force has in use an effective Child Protection database and IT management system.
- CATS gives a much clearer picture of the child or vulnerable person referred to them. The data collected in CATS can be used to piece together vital information on family background of that individual, helping the user make more informed decisions.
- CATS may also be used to help identify previous accusations against suspects offering further lines of investigation and valuable information to help assess the safety of the vulnerable person.
- Incidents go through a managed process, from a new referral to a finalised incident. As a case is progressed, CATS validates the information collected and ensures the case has visibility to the relevant officers and staff members.
- Incident Reports can be generated for sharing of information between Police and Social Services.
- A full audit trail is available in CATS, which enables supervisors to monitor usage of the system.
Source: http://genreith.de/MMcC/doku.php?id=payne-allegation
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Re: There was an entry on the CATS system in the name of Gerald McCann which has since been wiped out.
by Verdi 15.03.21 12:09
Cammerigal wrote:Where are you trying to take us on this thread
I'm not trying to take us anywhere, as far as I'm concerned you are free to roam wherever takes your fancy as I am free to comment.
Yes indeed, that's all very impressive but to be of any useful application there must be evidence, a forensic trail to follow if you like. There's no point in cutting open every apple on the market stall looking for the one with a maggoty core, chances are there ain't one.
Police forces across the developed world have their own technology departments and advisors, they are there for a purpose. If there was any irregularity it would have been detected at the time.
CATS
Vulnerable Persons Case Management
CATS (Case Administration and Tracking System) is a vulnerable persons case management system. WPC has been supporting CATS, owned by Nottinghamshire Police, since 2007. The system has three core modules - Child Protection, Domestic Abuse and Vulnerable Adults; although it can also manage any type of public protection incident.
The CATS system was developed in the absence of a national database for Child Protection, and in light of the recommendation in Lord Laming's Report into the death of Victoria Climbie that Chief Constables must ensure their police force has in use an effective Child Protection database and IT management system.
The Domestic Abuse module was developed later to complement the Child Protection system. Further development was carried out by WPC to integrate the two modules along with a third for recording incidents involving vulnerable adults, covering additional PPU areas such as Honour Based Violence.
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As I previously said, without knowing the workings of the CATS system, not the database but why a file is opened in a specific individuals name in the first place, i.e. who opened a file and why. This I don't know as I don't have working knowledge nor experience of the department concerned. The evidence we do have as regards this subject matter is however on record.
Kate McCann
Searches made of the local section of child abuse investigation shows a registration number 19309 in CATS (system of action location). A consultation with the DC Soand from the department in question confirms that this is just a file reference, but as a complement to Operation Task system for the purpose of reference, if any investigation should be necessary by the department. No work has been done on the basis of this file.
Gerry McCann
A search of the local section of the child abuse shows a registration number 19309 in the CATS system. A consultation with the DC Soand from the department in question confirms that this is just a file reference, but as a complement to Operation Task system for the purpose of reference, if any investigation should be necessary by the department. No work has been done on the basis of this file.
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I see nothing irregular, if that's how the department works then there is no reason to doubt, unless it's being suggested that the respective authorities are lying, or trying to conceal important information. In which case I will be all ears when proof of misadventure is revealed, meanwhile I'll stick to the evidence.
You see the thing is, this particular issue - along with many others, has been doing the rounds since time immemorial, fine in itself but it hasn't progressed. It started by unsubstantiated supposition and continues thus to this day, no development no progress. That's why I bemoan twitter and facebook, it's littered with repetition of past unsubstantiated rumour.
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Re: There was an entry on the CATS system in the name of Gerald McCann which has since been wiped out.
by JohnyT 15.03.21 13:41
...it's like when people got the wrong impression of why Maddie was made a ward of court......it's the way the system works...so the crown can act on her behalf etc ..........
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Re: There was an entry on the CATS system in the name of Gerald McCann which has since been wiped out.
by Verdi 15.03.21 14:43
If I remember rightly, this was all kicked-off by some mischievous internaughty spreading rumours about the father being arrested on a charge of child abuse early 2000s, all trace of which was subsequently wiped from official records - and unofficial it would appear as no evidence has ever been forthcoming. This nice little rumour once established later led to rumours about the father working for Celtic football club at the time abuse was rife.
You can draw attention to facts and evidence but it makes not the slightest difference. Why get in the way of a good juicy gossip.
None so blind!
It's totally unacceptable for a name to mentioned in connection with child abuse without evidence to support the allegation. Just imagine how you would feel if it were you!
Mud sticks!
You can draw attention to facts and evidence but it makes not the slightest difference. Why get in the way of a good juicy gossip.
None so blind!
It's totally unacceptable for a name to mentioned in connection with child abuse without evidence to support the allegation. Just imagine how you would feel if it were you!
Mud sticks!
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