Kate and Gerry McCann lose High court battle over cancellation of Leveson.....

Ah,so once again the great British Justice system defeats the rights of the electorate to have proper investigations,Leveson 2 into investigating the corrupt "Establishment" from investigating into its own practices,themselves?
Showing to the public how they(MP's, Cameron) have colluded with business proprietors(Murdoch/Brooks/Coulson) into Phone hacking(Yates of the Yard)Metropolitan Police Service(Daniel Morgan Murder)Theresa May!

The Corrupt,Parliament continueth!

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...includes an impassioned plea by Labour MP Ed Miliband for the government to implement 'Leveson 2'.

His short speech complains about how badly the press treated Kate & Gerry McCann 

Will t he McCanns have to pay legal fees?

Ladyinred wrote:Will t he McCanns have to pay legal fees?

I don't know how it works in Britain but don't they had  lawyers they have to pay for this or?

NickE wrote:

Ladyinred wrote:Will the McCanns have to pay legal fees?

I don't know how it works in Britain but don't they had  lawyers they have to pay for this or?

The normal rule in Court cases is that the loser must pay the winner's costs.

Something I know quite a lot about

In this case I believe the Hacked Off campaign is well funded by multi millionaire Max Mosley (son of the British Fascist leader Oswald Mosley), so he will probably pay the costs, along with any other wealthy backers of the Hacked Off Campaign.

Mosley has been beside himself with fury ever since the News of the World, a few years ago, outed him as a lifetime devotee of sado-masochism and a participant in orgies with prostitutes, where he would dress up in Nazi uniform.

The McCanns are his allies in this Hacked Off campaign

Litigant-happy.  As long as someone else is paying the bill.

It's a mystery to me how the McCanns managed to muscle-in on the Leveson Inquiry - it had naff-all to do with the situation they found themselves in.  No doubt their well paid spindoctor had something to do with it - you know, the one who secured them right of passage before the Pope and a free jolly across Europe and North Africa.

A known fact, yes I said fact, the McCanns and their support network courted the press from the word go and rumour has it the Find Madeleine Fund Co. Ltd, forked out a cool half a million to one Lord Bell to keep them on the front pages.

What right do they have to complain?

That aside, it's not the McCanns who have lost out, the Leveson Inquiry, be it part one or part two,  was/is not about the McCanns.

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Leveson ditched - and it is spun as McCann fail...

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Even more priceless . .   They tried to use a COVERT Recording of the meeting with cameron, to present their case !
Chutzpah, already ! ! ! ?

At a hearing earlier this month, the four argued that in November 2012 the former prime minister David Cameron made a “clear and unambiguous commitment” that the second part of the inquiry would go ahead. Their lawyers said that commitment, made at a meeting with Jefferies, Mrs McCann and Hames, meant they had a “legitimate expectation” it would proceed.
But Lord Justice Davis said Cameron made “no such promise” in the meeting and that it was unacceptable that the case was based on a covert recording of the discussion, despite participants having agreed that what was said in the meeting would remain confidential.

The British press never intruded on the lives of the McCann's.

The McCann's and their team intruded on the the British press and the lives of the British people.

Precisely ^^^, they invited themselves into every home in Britain to intrude on their cornflakes each and every morning with tales of woe.

Great for the digestion!

So which one of

Jeffries
Mrs Mccann
Hames 

Made the covert recording?

And which one of them was stupid enough to reveal that they had done so, and then try to use it to convince a judge ?
We remember that this NOT the first time the Mccanns have stooped to this level. They have 'form'.
Try - https://www.inbrief.co.uk/court-proceedings/illegally-obtained-evidence/ -
which includes such gems as 
"Illegally or improperly obtained evidence is evidence obtained in violation of a person’s human rights or obtained in breach of the law or procedure – and it would be unfair or unjust to use it."
and
"Illegally obtained evidence is evidence obtained during an illegal search or seizure of goods, or entrapment."    
Ah yes.  Entrapment.  "I lied, My Lord . . ."

PeterMac wrote:And which one of them was stupid enough to reveal that they had done so, and then try to use it to convince a judge ?
We remember that this NOT the first time the Mccanns have stooped to this level. They have 'form'.
Try - https://www.inbrief.co.uk/court-proceedings/illegally-obtained-evidence/ -
which includes such gems as 
"Illegally or improperly obtained evidence is evidence obtained in violation of a person’s human rights or obtained in breach of the law or procedure – and it would be unfair or unjust to use it."
and
"Illegally obtained evidence is evidence obtained during an illegal search or seizure of goods, or entrapment."    
Ah yes.  Entrapment.  "I lied, My Lord . . ."

Hi Petermac,the biggest loser is the "Public" still entrapped into a mystery of how the Phone Hacking scandal,Murdoch enterprise,alongside those payments to serving Police Officers,unsolved Murder of Daniel Morgan 32 yrs,with a variety of Prime Ministers from the UK and Home Secretaries involved Operation Grange,Madeleine McCann?

That is the main point that is lost,it is Not purely about the people who became embroiled in MSM articles,but the "Protagonist's",who are now hiding behind legal findings by Judges,to defer proper investigations into the shenanigans of the politicians,spin meisters deceptions!

BBC produced a Three part series on how an "MP hired a Hitman to take out his former Lover",which exposed a n almighty Cover Up at the Old Bailey Trail in 1979 and Ma Learned friends have chosen Not to reverse the Courts original Trail,that the Former Lover told the "Truth" and an MP and Three cohorts decided to plead the fifth during that process?

Ladyinred wrote:Will t he McCanns have to pay legal fees?

Oh, i do hope so.
I suspect in this case though, they would have gone for no win no fee given the complexity of the case and the costs and if it was offered or even pro bono.
At least i would hope so
I wonder if carter-ruck were involved.
Since there were 4 plaintiffs (5 if the mccann were counted separately) would the costs be split 4 ways?

I cackled when i heard them complaining about media intrusion when the mccanns had been happily using the same media to get their version of events spread throughout the world, the very same media who helped them with the mockumentary, the same media who promoted kate's book.
The very same media who the fragrant duo spent £500,000 over the course of a year to keep them on the front pages.
£500,000 which should have been spent on finding Maddie, well not exactly finding Maddie since they knew where they had dumped her remains.
No matter how they did it, however dignified with prayers and whatever, perhaps an apology for what they did to her in order to salve their conscience claiming inwardly or even outwardly that Maddie would forgive them, she would not blame or hold them accountable.
She would want the twins to lead a happy and well loved life believing She had been abducted and was being loved and cared for by her abductor.
The mccanns would convince themselves they had been forgiven by her, they had to in order to assuage the guilt, kate a great deal and gerry not so much.
This would revealed when kate spoke of murder suicide so they could all be together.
This was at her most vulnerable, most fragile at her darkest moment.
I think if she had been interviewed at this point without gerry controlling her every move with hand signals, she would have cracked and the truth would have poured out.
An opportunity missed.
It is likely she was medication at that point and may even be on something today to keep her together.
She may even be visiting a counselor or having therapy.
She looks rough, i mean really rough.
I think they only thing that has kept her going to date is her intense and implacable loathing of Dr. Amaral.
Personally i think all the court cases against the ex lead detective are pushed by kate, a woman scorned.
She and by default gerry have spent a minimum of tens of thousands and heading towards hundreds of thousands, trying to silence him, to break him so he feels worse than kate.
It will never happen.
He has right on his side, he has justice on his side and he has Maddie's voice on his side
A woman in the depths of a hell of her own making, there is nothing she can say or do to make her nemesis Dr. Amaral feel bad, feel shame or feel guilt.
Kate spoke of being visited by Maddie.
She didn't tell us what if anything Maddie said.
She told us nothing of what she felt.
She told us nothing of what she said to the shade of Maddie, her ghost.
Living people do not visit loved ones as a ghost, only the dead have that ability.
Right there, once again kate told us Maddie was dead.

Kate and gerry have used the media for their own ends, not to find Maddie, not to repeat the reward amounts, not to call out to the alleged abductor, they have used the media for their own selfish needs, to paint them as loving, caring albeit distraught parents.
To advertise the fund, to advertise kate's book, to advertise kate as an ambassador for charities, with only one taking the bait.
They used the media to hijack charity runs, flaunting Maddie in front of runs for other charities.
They used the media to hijack a charity cycle ride for missing people when both they and we know Maddie was never a missing person apart from the say so of her parents and then used the media to tell the world that “I know this won’t help Madeline but I’d hate to think that any other child would have to go through this and their family would have to go through what we’ve been through."
Once again telling Maddie was dead and beyond any help.
They just can't help themselves.
When the media write nice things about them, supports their version of events, lauds them, praising their strength they are all over the media, almost as if the media was some great lolling puppy getting pats on the head for being a good dog.which is surprising given their dislike of dogs
If the media start getting above themselves, perhaps allowing anti mccann comments to remain on a page or even allowing comments at all or, heaven's forbid, a story that suggests Maddie was not abducted, then come the phone calls and interesting letters and emails, their supporters wake up and start with the comments and vitriol on websites and forums.
They could not keep up the pace for 11 years and now the circle is complete and they are releasing and rehashing old news stories dressed up as new, splashed across front pages why?
What could prompt such a flurry?
I know when the trolls get kicked and woken up, when stories come out treated as new lines of investigation or breaking news.
When their sullen grotesque faces are splashed across the front page with sometimes 2 page spreads and old discredited stories are waved around as new, something is coming out or soon to be that will put the mccanns in the bad light they deserve.

What could it be that would prompt such a flurry i ask myself?

Could it have been perhaps that the fragrant duo had lost their Leveson Inquiry stage 2 case?
Would that have been enough?
Perhaps then this could be a diversionary tactic to some other news perhaps?
The mccanns have persecuted Dr. Amaral through the various Portuguese courts, winning initially which led to them and their supporters crowing in almost orgasmic delight, only to have a bucket of ice cold water thrown over them with loss after loss all the way to the Supreme court.

It was then announced with almost royal fanfare that they would be going to the ECHR to stop Them having to pay costs and legals fees for Dr.Amaral and those others they sued.
We were told repeatedly they were suing Dr. Amaral and taking him personally to the ECHR.
Except they weren't

The ECHR does not get involved in civil suits between people, nor does it cancel or overturn the verdicts of the Supreme Court,
All the mccanns can do is take their case and sue the Portuguese state.
Since the Portuguese Supreme Court cited the ECHR in its final verdicts explaining their ruling.

Various members have been keeping an eye on the listings of what cases are listed and so far, no mccann V Portugal.
Most of the submissions sent to the ECHR fail at the first hurdle as their case is not relevant or applicable and put straight in the bin for recycling.

This is their final final throw of the dice and it isn't even against Dr. Amaral however much they demanded it or implied it.
Kate would have been raging knowing no matter what she said or did or claimed, she could not break him, she could not even get him angry.
He stayed calm, tight lipped and when he did respond, he was polite, exceedingly so, compared to kate calling police officers "fucking tossers" repeatedly.
This is a tactic i use repeatedly myself.
The more the other persona rants and raves, i stay calm and polite, exceedingly so and then repeat what i was saying.
It makes them madder than hell and they sign out or stomp off and you know what?
It is amazing how much a raging person leaks when faced with a wall of calmness, politeness and then my favorite thing which is virtually guaranteed to send them ballistic is to say, have a great day and if applicable a Merry Christmas, Happy New ear or whatever.
When said person returns after calming down and them realizing i won't bite, helpful discourse follows and whatever the issue was it gets sorted to everyone's satisfaction.
Job done.
We know kate has a vicious temper from reading her words, seeing those oh so interesting bruises on her wrists and upper arms shaped just like fingerprints and explained away as her smashing stuff and beating walls and railings, although how beating walls with fists results in upper arm bruising or bruises on her wrists rather than on her hands where they would be expected.
The best way to deal with kate is to stay polite, correctly address her, stay calm repeat a question till she responds in whichever way she chooses even if it is silence.
She wants to provoke a response, perhaps even a physical one judging by the bruises, possible restraint bruises, restraining from whom?
Restraining why?

It is so predictable, the flurry of non stories, non sightings or comparison with another missing child or person, A child went missing for 5 minutes 20 years ago in Spain and the media claims it is a Spanish Maddie.
Age is immaterial as is the outcome, they can't be cuter, more photogenic then Maddie, it is another bandwagon for the mccanns and clarrie to jump on.
Millions spent in the UK allegedly investigating a crime that did not exist in Portugal as if it did exist in the UK.
Millions spent one a little girl who died in Portugal when a pittance is spent on other missing children who are known to be alive, those abducted by the non custodial parent or a relative.
Money which could have been spent solving crimes which did take place in the UK.
Why has so much been spent on a non existent crime with no one iota of evidence to indicate a possible abduction had taken place apart from the words of her parents who should have been considered prime suspects and the tapas 7.
Why so much money spent searching for an non existent abductor and a live Maddie when there is ample physical evidence that Maddie died in that apartment early that week of the vacation?
Why so much money spent when the prime suspects and their chums have not been questioned under oath (good luck with that if they tried to haul them in)
Why so much money spent when the parents of Maddie, kate and gerry mccann have told us on several occasions that Maddie is dead?
Who or what is delaying this case?
If they arrested the mccanns and chums all at the exact same time, took them all to different police stations, read them their rights and initially got them all to write down information about themselves birth date, education, family whatever they wanted to whatever depth. Answer any questions you can, keeping chit chat light and non sensitive
Confiscate their cell phones so that they cannot communicate with any other member of the tapas group or the mccanns
This prevents them comparing notes or refreshing memories that may not have been their own.
Then get them to write down everything they did yesterday from the moment they woke up to the moment they fell asleep..
Then do the same for a day last week, a day one month ago, one year ago.
All getting them used to writing and with nothing sensitive to the case.
It lets you see what their norm is, how they pace themselves, use of pronouns, slang, local dialect.
How they refer to others, social introductions.
I would ask them to remember any holiday they ever had and that was their favorite and to write down what they did each day from the moment they woke up till they fell asleep as best as they remember.
In all cases each new day starts on a new page.
In no case is Maddie or the mccanns to be introduced, it lets the subject relax, there is no pressure on what to include or say.
Any corrections are to have a single line crossed through so we can still see what was written and then to be initialed so both the subject and us know it was the subject who crossed it out and initialed it.
If the subject refuses to cooperate on these non relevant requests that is their choice, they must still remain incommunicado.
Once we have familiarized ourselves as to their writing style and internal dictionary we can then ask them to write down everything they did on that vacation from the moment they woke up to catch the plane from their house or the hotel to the moment they flew home whichever day that was.
Each day to start on a new sheet of paper, same as before a single line drawn through whatever needed crossing out and initialed.

Once done then all interviewing to start at the same time so answers for the same questions can be compared regarding timelines, who did what where etc and it also allows
for new questions to be asked after an interesting answer.
The information they wrote down regarding each day of the holiday will prompt questions such as one saying (named person) did this at that time on such and such a day and then the named person makes no mention of it.
It would allow a timeline of sorts between couples and the other members of the group,
Child care being important what prompt questions as to who did what and when.
As the time line builds up we would be able to see where there are gaps, some expected and some unexpected.
Some gaps would be verified by other members, tennis matches sailing etc and some gaps would be left unexplained.
Things such as changes to dining patterns especially since some meals were included in the price.
If ABC and DEF came to breakfast for the first 2 days and then decided to eat at their apartment the rest of the week.
If ABC and DEF + ghi, jkl and mno all had breakfast the Sunday Morning and Monday morning as it was included in the price and then they decided to eat breakfast in their apartment.
Lunch was agreed to be eaten in one of the apartments, whoever had the biggest and everyone children and all all ate together whilst ABC and DEF + ghi, jkl and mno ate lunch in their own apartment and then the various adults fed the children such as high tea and later maybe a some snacks and milk or whatever and the adults would then join the rest of the group in the tapas bar with the alleged half hourly checks on the various children.
As all these are written down, a timeline of sorts will appear, there will be gaps due to passage of time,
There will be blocks were someone will appear to be in two places at the same time these too are expected due to the passage of time but there will be spaces affecting most if not all of the subjects, it may be just one singular space, a small period of time, a minute or so up to a few hours possibly even a whole day where everyone will write a lazy day at wherever or they did this or that.
There will be little hot spots as due to the passage of time they may have forgotten exact times but remember doing a specific thing or have forgotten something they remembered clearly as it was important.

There will be a time, an hour or a few hours perhaps a day, where all the statements they wrote out clearly previously will become vague.
Compared to the previous day and the day after, their memories will be blurred.
Instead of a clear written day there will be a foggy written day with no willingness to be pinned down to a specific hour, location or activity.

It would be interesting to compare say Saturday and Sunday or Saturday and Monday, leading us to seek to learn what happened on the Sunday or, Comparing Saturday Sunday and Monday to Tuesday and then Wednesday and Thursday.

For all subjects to write almost by minute what they did on the Thursday from the moment they woke up to the moment Kate said Maddie was gone.
Where they went, at what time, with whom, what they did and during their dinner and once the alarm had been sounded

Once timelines have been pinned down then the fun begins
Once one cracks they all will in the race to save their own skins