*NEW* - IS THERE A GOVERNMENT COVER-UP? And if so, why? - POLL ADDED (was: Why are they being protected?)

Janerj wrote:My first reaction having only recently watched Richard Hall's videos was that it must have been a case of 'funny handshakes' ie Masons as I don't see how any ordinary couple could have got that amount
of attention from high level government.

Reggiregg wrote:They were protected and still are. How did the news of an abduction spread within an hour or so of Maddie going missing? Why were top diplomats told to get to pdLat once? They were told to shadow the mcCanns in all police and media dealings. Why did th couple delete almost all their phone calls (before Payne procured new phones )? Early reports suggested the teenage son of a VIP had been flown out that night. That report got submerged liike so much.

23 Librae wrote:
A Mod writes:

There isn't a single prevailing thought or consensus on CMOMM on the reason for the cover-up. There is however broad consensus here that there is a major cover-up which extends to the government, the security services and the mainstream media.

The theories that have been offered here include:

* The McCanns and their Tapas 7 friends were trying out a new sedative product for the pharmaceutical industry

* They were discussing some secret new project, possibly involving the microchipping agenda

* A connection to bio-engineering research e.g. IVF treatment, cloning, stem cell research, genetics/DNA/human genome research

* The connections of Gerry McCann (COMARE)and the McCanns' main solicitor Edward Smethurst (British Nuclear Fuels) to the nuclear power industry

* It was just a giant money-making scam

* Madeleine died as the result of a Beltane occult ritual 

* They were all on a 'swinging holiday' and none of the swingers wants to be identified, and

* The McCanns' connections to some high-level, elite paedophile ring, e.g. they have at least knowledge of establishment figures involved in child sexual absue.

It's a good question on which there is no answer, so it won't harm if we have another debate on the issue.

Richard D Hall has announced the title of his next, and maybe last, Madeleine McCann documentary as: 'Maddie: Why The Cover-Up?'  Maybe that will provide answers. I think it's due out early April 

- Mod

Hobs wrote:

23 Librae wrote:
A Mod writes:

There isn't a single prevailing thought or consensus on CMOMM on the reason for the cover-up. There is however broad consensus here that there is a major cover-up which extends to the government, the security services and the mainstream media.

The theories that have been offered here include:

* The McCanns and their Tapas 7 friends were trying out a new sedative product for the pharmaceutical industry

* They were discussing some secret new project, possibly involving the microchipping agenda

* A connection to bio-engineering research e.g. IVF treatment, cloning, stem cell research, genetics/DNA/human genome research

* The connections of Gerry McCann (COMARE)and the McCanns' main solicitor Edward Smethurst (British Nuclear Fuels) to the nuclear power industry

* It was just a giant money-making scam

* Madeleine died as the result of a Beltane occult ritual 

* They were all on a 'swinging holiday' and none of the swingers wants to be identified, and

* The McCanns' connections to some high-level, elite paedophile ring, e.g. they have at least knowledge of establishment figures involved in child sexual absue.

It's a good question on which there is no answer, so it won't harm if we have another debate on the issue.

Richard D Hall has announced the title of his next, and maybe last, Madeleine McCann documentary as: 'Maddie: Why The Cover-Up?'  Maybe that will provide answers. I think it's due out early April 

- Mod

* The McCanns and their Tapas 7 friends were trying out a new sedative product for the pharmaceutical industry
No.  Clinical trials are performed under strict conditions and protocols firstly in hospitals and then depending on results restricted to a specific group of people before years down the line being passed for general release.
Had they been testing some new sedative and Maddie died as a result of it, the mccanns would have sued the pants off the company.
There would have been police investigations , all all sorts of other investigations .
Did you see the programme last week about the clinical trial that went wrong?
That was the first trial in humans, in clinical trials there are multiple trials of a new medicine before it is ever released for general use.
This theory is a no brainer.

* They were discussing some secret new project, possibly involving the microchipping agenda.
This would result in Maddie's death how?
Microchipping would not need sedation if they were trialling it.
Again if Maddie died as a result of it then they would have come up with a much better scenario than they did and it would have been covered up properly with no blame on the mccanns.
At best she would have been autopsied by a 'friendly' and natural causes would have been the verdict.
Mccanns walk free.
 A conspiracy theory at best.

* A connection to bio-engineering research e.g. IVF treatment, cloning, stem cell research, genetics/DNA/human genome research.
There is ongoing research into the human genome and has been for years.
IVF again has been going since the 1970's, at best they would be looking at improving  number of births and also of removing hereditary diseases which is why we now have a tiny number of 3 parent babies.
Cloning of humans is illegal the world over, it is also darn near impossible.
it took years of work to get Dolly the sheep and more years to get where we are today which is cloning (poorly) of dogs.
Said dogs are genetically the same as the donor, the markings however are different nor do they have the same character as the donor.
It is mindblowingly expensive to get a dog cloned, it would be billions to clone a human.
Then there is issue of finding anyone willing to risk life in jail for trying it.
Then how do you explain a clone away when it would be much younger than Maddie, not look anything like her or act like her.
Although genetically the same, the clone would be different. Look at identical twins as an example.
They share the same genes as they are one egg and sperm, one embryo that at only a couple of cells old divided completely and developed into two identical babies.
Identical yet different.
Again all the research is done in labs using a chit load of computers and expensive equipment and a lot of highly trained staff.
Again a no brainer

* The connections of Gerry McCann (COMARE)and the McCanns' main solicitor Edward Smethurst (British Nuclear Fuels) to the nuclear power industry.

This would cause Maddie to die in the apartment how?
If this was why Maddie died, again they would have covered it up a darn sight better than was done.
It would have been explained away as natural causes case closed.
No brainer.

* Madeleine died as the result of a Beltane occult ritual
Maddie was more likely to have died at the hands of a Christian than any Satanist, In fact  more likely to have died at the hands ofa muslim than a Satanist.
Satanism is the go to religion for claims of sacrifice.
Why not blame Voodoo since they sacrifice chickens  etc, that at least is marginally more believable than a bunch of Satanists.
If a human sacrifice was indeed done (it wasn't) why risk abducting a child from an apartment when there are scores of homeless folk lying around or all those orphanages in Eastern Europe.
Why would they hold a ritual in a holiday apartment?
People would have been seen coming and going from the apartment, sounds would have been heard plus all the group were at the table Thurs night
If a ritual, it would hav and they would have been taking part in the ritual otherwise they would have b noticed it going on in the apartment and taken action.
Any ritual been covered up better than it was and the mccanns and chums would have been better protected, there would have been a better crime scene set up with enough traces to indicate an abductor rather than none at all.
No brainer.

* They were all on a 'swinging holiday' and none of the swingers wants to be identified, and
Swinging is not illegal, and not even that scandalous anymore.
At best the mccanns would have felt embarrassed, maybe lost a couple of friends and had a telling off drom their respective parents.
They would have made more than a few new friends.
Maybe a few paragraphs in the press and then it is yesterdays story.
I doubt even the GMC would be interested since it would have no bearing on their work in hospital and surgery.
No brainer


* The McCanns' connections to some high-level, elite paedophile ring, e.g. they have at least knowledge of establishment figures involved in child sexual absue.
They may have some connections to high level paedophile rings, again though if a VIP was involved it would have been better covered up than it was.
A friendly autopsy done and natural causes declared.
A hefty pay off to the mccanns perhaps and them being told to shut up or else.
If no friendly autopsy then again they could have claimed abduction, Maddie's body found and murder and sexual abuse declared.
The world looks for the non existent abductor, the mccanns  get pilloried for child neglect and face charges, possibly a couple years in jail, more likely a hefty fine and probabtion since Maddie died and they have suffered enough.
The mccanns get a hefty pay off to take their punishment and keep quiet.
They get to grieve and Maddie gets a funeral.
Since we know Maddie was not found, a piss poor abduction secene was claimed despite no forensic evidence of abduction, their own words and behavior reveal the truth.
Pretty much everyone has some idea of which establishment figures are suspected of involvement in paedophilia proven and otherwise.
This is plausible but unlikely given the mccanns own words and behavior.

* It was just a giant money-making scam.
Bingo!

Maddie died at the hands of kate and gerry.
Whether by accidental or deliberate sedation.
As a result of some other crime being committed upon her.
As a result of kate(most likely given her poor relationship with Maddie) losing her temper and lashing out.
As a result of coming between kate and gerry during one of their fights and being accidentally hit or pushed causing fatal injuries.
A combination of any of the above.

It happened earlier in the week to allow for disposal of the body and most importantly cleaning up of the apartment.
The apartment being almost forensically cleaned of DNA evidence and other evidence found when you have three toddlers running around.

The tapas 7 are involved because they took part in something criminal that would force them to stay silent, knbowing if they spoke out they wiould be doing serious jail time.
Possible them men are involved and the women stay silent for fear of charges and fear of losing their children and their jobs.

Donations came in to help find Maddie and the parents saw a gold mine waiting to be reaped.
They created a fund for the funds to be sent to, knowing that money would come pouring in (especially with good marketing) and for some time to come since they knew Maddie wouldn't be found any time soon.

They spin spiel about how it would be run like a charity, transparently and then it wasn't.
They sued , using the fund as they changed the clauses so they lose none of their own money.
It was win win for them.

Now though they have been publicly and legally declared not cleared and stuill suspects in the disposal of their daughter.

it looks like money may be their downfall.
Not enough prrof yet to declare legally what they did but we can nail them for fraud for a start.

money was the downfall of Al Capone remember.

Yvie Han wrote:I have a different perspective for the first -  

Pharmaceutical companies have governments eating out their hands, with huge control and power over them, they have been referred to as the New Mafia. There are many online sources about the corruption with government and pharmaceutical industry.

I don't think it was necessarily a new medicine testing, it could have been one on market already. 

I think therefore it needed to be kept from the public for fear of 1000's of other potential lawsuits. 

This would explain WHY the Tapas lot also keep their mouths shut as they well know, being in the industry, you don't go up against the giant pharma companies.   

They would have received a huge payout, some of which could well have been covered by some being donated to THE FUND, the rest in an offshore account. 

I also believe the paedophilia somewhere. 

I don't think the cloning or research was involved from what I have read they were not flush financially, if they were involved and testing they would be on some hefty wages for it.

Tony Bennett wrote:In view of the interest shown already on this thread, the Mods are adding a poll.

JRP wrote:If there is one thing the "establishment" covers up very well, it is pedophilia.
I confess that I don't know the reason for Madeleine's death, but certain aspects which have been discussed, such as the Gaspar statement, the make-up photo Lolita image, the dining with Clement Freud led me to vote 6.

I noticed a fair percentage of votes going for the no cover up choice, which surprised me a little. Why then, if that's the case, haven't they been arrested and formally questioned? because there's a heck of a lot of circumstantial evidence which points at their involvement. The same sort of behaviour which has led to the arrest of others in similar cases.

JRP wrote:
I noticed a fair percentage of votes going for the no cover up choice, which surprised me a little. Why then, if that's the case, haven't they been arrested and formally questioned? because there's a heck of a lot of circumstantial evidence which points at their involvement.

suzyjohnson wrote:

JRP wrote:
I noticed a fair percentage of votes going for the no cover up choice, which surprised me a little. Why then, if that's the case, haven't they been arrested and formally questioned? because there's a heck of a lot of circumstantial evidence which points at their involvement.

Thanks for the reply.

The McCanns have been arrested and formally questioned ...... by the Portuguese.

But they were allowed to fly home. They may have been charged if they'd have stayed, and knowing that, the UK police haven't even questioned them.

Regarding Operation Grange ....

1) A lot of the evidence is circumstantial. I would think SY would look to establish what other evidence there was before making any arrests.

People get arrested all the time on circumstantial evidence, courts are full of people who plead not guilty.

2) An arrest in the Uk might well place the McCann family into a similar situation to that of Karen Matthews. The police would then need to provide protection particularly for the McCann children.

Is that a reason for not arresting them? I would imagine anyone arrested for a serious crime, would have an effect on the wider family.