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Re: Mirror article today
Here is an example..
Madeleine McCann search gets nasty
by Olga Craig
12:01 AM BST 12th Aug. 2007
The Portuguese press and the people of Praia da Luz have turned against Kate and Gerry McCann, and the couple are becoming increasingly critical of the local police. The hunt for a missing child has turned into a bitter war. Olga Craig reports from the front line
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Please note the timing of this publication, to dispel once and for all, the notion that the Telegraph reported Madeleine McCann's disappearance at midnight on 3rd/4th May 2007.
Madeleine McCann search gets nasty
by Olga Craig
12:01 AM BST 12th Aug. 2007
The Portuguese press and the people of Praia da Luz have turned against Kate and Gerry McCann, and the couple are becoming increasingly critical of the local police. The hunt for a missing child has turned into a bitter war. Olga Craig reports from the front line
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Please note the timing of this publication, to dispel once and for all, the notion that the Telegraph reported Madeleine McCann's disappearance at midnight on 3rd/4th May 2007.
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Oh Lordy, Lordy, do you think Elca Craig (the male/female) has met up with TaninaR, who dropped onto this forum to show a few photographs of herself and sibling as children semi-naked on the beach of PdL in the 70's, was invited for coffee and a ghoul tour and went off to sell ponies to the elite?
Or do you think this is absolute balderdash?
Or do you think this is absolute balderdash?
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Re: Mirror article today
@ Verdi Just to clarify if I may.Verdi wrote:Here is an example..
Madeleine McCann search gets nasty
by Olga Craig
12:01 AM BST 12th Aug. 2007
The Portuguese press and the people of Praia da Luz have turned against Kate and Gerry McCann, and the couple are becoming increasingly critical of the local police. The hunt for a missing child has turned into a bitter war. Olga Craig reports from the front line
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Please note the timing of this publication, to dispel once and for all, the notion that the Telegraph reported Madeleine McCann's disappearance at midnight on 3rd/4th May 2007.
The report you quote is dated 12.01am on 12 May.
However, there was a Daily Telegraph report dated 12.01am on 4 May.
But that merely proves the more general point that '12.01am' is a default setting whioh applies to archived news reprots and does NOT prove that either of these two reports was actually filed at 12.01am.
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Dr Martin Roberts: "The evidence is that these are the pjyamas Madeleine wore on holiday in Praia da Luz. They were photographed and the photo handed to a press agency, who released it on 8 May, as the search for Madeleine continued. The McCanns held up these same pyjamas at two press conferences on 5 & 7June 2007. How could Madeleine have been abducted?"
Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".
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There's loads more where that came from, this one is a gem - it even mentions the last photograph!
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Report dated 27th May 2007 12:01AM BST, I thought it rather odd that Kate McCann is described as sitting on a park bench clutching Madeleine's favourite cuddlecat. The McCanns were firmly ensconced in Praia da Luz in May 2007 - a park bench?
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Report dated 27th May 2007 12:01AM BST, I thought it rather odd that Kate McCann is described as sitting on a park bench clutching Madeleine's favourite cuddlecat. The McCanns were firmly ensconced in Praia da Luz in May 2007 - a park bench?
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@ aquila What a truly outrageous, appalling, utterly egregious and potentially libelous suggestion.aquila wrote:Oh Lordy, Lordy, do you think Elca Craig (the male/female) has met up with TaninaR, who dropped onto this forum to show a few photographs of herself and sibling as children semi-naked on the beach of PdL in the 70's, was invited for coffee and a ghoul tour and went off to sell ponies to the elite?
Could well be true, though
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Dr Martin Roberts: "The evidence is that these are the pjyamas Madeleine wore on holiday in Praia da Luz. They were photographed and the photo handed to a press agency, who released it on 8 May, as the search for Madeleine continued. The McCanns held up these same pyjamas at two press conferences on 5 & 7June 2007. How could Madeleine have been abducted?"
Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".
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Re: Mirror article today
You may but please don't confuse me at the same time .Tony Bennett wrote:@ Verdi Just to clarify if I may.Verdi wrote:Here is an example..
Madeleine McCann search gets nasty
by Olga Craig
12:01 AM BST 12th Aug. 2007
The Portuguese press and the people of Praia da Luz have turned against Kate and Gerry McCann, and the couple are becoming increasingly critical of the local police. The hunt for a missing child has turned into a bitter war. Olga Craig reports from the front line or even midnight
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Please note the timing of this publication, to dispel once and for all, the notion that the Telegraph reported Madeleine McCann's disappearance at midnight on 3rd/4th May 2007.
The report you quote is dated 12.01am on 12 May.
However, there was a Daily Telegraph report dated 12.01 on 4 May.
But that merely proves the more general point that '12.01am' is a default setting whioh applies to archived news reprots and does NOT prove that either of these two reports was actually filed at 12.01am.
The Telegraph report I sourced is dated 12th August 2007 not the 12th May 2007. I know there is also a report timed at 12:01am on 4th May 2007 hence my mentioning the date - I took the opportunity to dispel the claim that the Telegraph reported Madeleine's disappearance at midnith on 3rd/4th May 2007.
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Oh please, show the post where Elca Craig invites TaninaR for coffee in PdL (or Luz, Lagos as he/she prefers to say).Tony Bennett wrote:@ aquila What a truly outrageous, appalling, utterly egregious and potentially libelous suggestion.aquila wrote:Oh Lordy, Lordy, do you think Elca Craig (the male/female) has met up with TaninaR, who dropped onto this forum to show a few photographs of herself and sibling as children semi-naked on the beach of PdL in the 70's, was invited for coffee and a ghoul tour and went off to sell ponies to the elite?
Could well be true, though
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Back to member/former member Elca Craig/Shining In Luz.
Here's his recent 'take' (in another place) on Operation Grange:
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Unless SY and the Home Office are both a complete shambles, then the case has been made for an extension, with funding, and it has gained approval.
Presumably, someone on OG presented a case that valid lines of enquiry remained, and what was required to investigate them? Perhaps DCI Nicola Wall, but we don't know.
That almost certainly went higher up for approval. It might be Duthie, but that does not strike me as sufficiently high in SY.
Then the file/request went to the Home Office for approval and funds.
As to who approved this request, I have not got a clue, nor do I care.
What I am not seeing is some sort of conspiracy theory here, between OG, SY and the Home Office.
It is much easier to conclude, IMO, that OG/SY detailed further work and the cost thereof, and the Home Office looked at it and decided it was reasonable, therefore approved the proposal.
Of course, I have no idea what 'the proposal' actually is.
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He thinks Operation Grange is a 'kosher' investigation!
Here's his recent 'take' (in another place) on Operation Grange:
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Unless SY and the Home Office are both a complete shambles, then the case has been made for an extension, with funding, and it has gained approval.
Presumably, someone on OG presented a case that valid lines of enquiry remained, and what was required to investigate them? Perhaps DCI Nicola Wall, but we don't know.
That almost certainly went higher up for approval. It might be Duthie, but that does not strike me as sufficiently high in SY.
Then the file/request went to the Home Office for approval and funds.
As to who approved this request, I have not got a clue, nor do I care.
What I am not seeing is some sort of conspiracy theory here, between OG, SY and the Home Office.
It is much easier to conclude, IMO, that OG/SY detailed further work and the cost thereof, and the Home Office looked at it and decided it was reasonable, therefore approved the proposal.
Of course, I have no idea what 'the proposal' actually is.
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He thinks Operation Grange is a 'kosher' investigation!
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Dr Martin Roberts: "The evidence is that these are the pjyamas Madeleine wore on holiday in Praia da Luz. They were photographed and the photo handed to a press agency, who released it on 8 May, as the search for Madeleine continued. The McCanns held up these same pyjamas at two press conferences on 5 & 7June 2007. How could Madeleine have been abducted?"
Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".
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Daily mirror article.
As was pointed out by various CMMoM posters about the" Innocent Family Photographs" from Portugal in the 1960's,that TaninaR had sent in and had seen no problem having them posted on this site. Now people who had raised eye brows at the time of the photographs are vindicated some what in light of Shining Luiz/Elca Craigs unmasking association to certain 24 hr surveilence monitoring?
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Allow me..aquila wrote:Oh please, show the post where Elca Craig invites TaninaR for coffee in PdL (or Luz, Lagos as he/she prefers to say).Tony Bennett wrote:@ aquila What a truly outrageous, appalling, utterly egregious and potentially libelous suggestion.aquila wrote:Oh Lordy, Lordy, do you think Elca Craig (the male/female) has met up with TaninaR, who dropped onto this forum to show a few photographs of herself and sibling as children semi-naked on the beach of PdL in the 70's, was invited for coffee and a ghoul tour and went off to sell ponies to the elite?
Could well be true, though
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The tale will not make anyone rich, but it is one of those stories that deserves to be told."
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Just for good measure, in the light of the recent ghoulish PdL tour exposé - from the same page..
"Tourists don't visit it to see a Madeleine monument. They come on cheap holidays for sun plus."
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I've just again read Mr. Elca Craig's response to the Mirror article posted up in it's entirety by Tony . What a windbag - why not sue the Mirror and have done with.
Some of the extraordinary bluffing and double bluffing I've seen over the years connected to this case, I still wonder if s/he is behind the report. Cheap publicity maybe or another sympathy plug for the McCanns? If I was in Mr. Craig's shoes, even if I couldn't afford to sue (where is Carter Ruck when needed most) I would at least demand and apology from the Mirror.
I note s/he claims to have forwarded case intelligence to Operation Grange - mmmm.. intriguing. Hope it was intelligent intelligence.
Some of the extraordinary bluffing and double bluffing I've seen over the years connected to this case, I still wonder if s/he is behind the report. Cheap publicity maybe or another sympathy plug for the McCanns? If I was in Mr. Craig's shoes, even if I couldn't afford to sue (where is Carter Ruck when needed most) I would at least demand and apology from the Mirror.
I note s/he claims to have forwarded case intelligence to Operation Grange - mmmm.. intriguing. Hope it was intelligent intelligence.
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Operation Grange's intelligence.?
That's an oxymoron, right there!
Ain't it?
That's an oxymoron, right there!
Ain't it?
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"The McCanns have been cleared by police of any involvement in the disappearance of their daughter."
Really, REALLY?
NOT, according to, what the assistant Chief Constable for Leicestershire Police said in his written statement: (in Kate’s words...page 316 of her book, madeleine.): “While one or both of them may be innocent there is no clear evidence that eliminates them from involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance.”
So 'who's' right?
Are the McCan'ts 'cleared' or 'not cleared', by 'police', that, IS the 'question'!
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'A 'good' cop can't sleep, because there's a 'piece of the puzzle' missng'
'A 'bad' cop can't sleep, because his/her 'conscience' won't let him/her'
"The McCanns have been cleared by police of any involvement in the disappearance of their daughter."
Really, REALLY?
NOT, according to, what the assistant Chief Constable for Leicestershire Police said in his written statement: (in Kate’s words...page 316 of her book, madeleine.): “While one or both of them may be innocent there is no clear evidence that eliminates them from involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance.”
So 'who's' right?
Are the McCan'ts 'cleared' or 'not cleared', by 'police', that, IS the 'question'!
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'A 'good' cop can't sleep, because there's a 'piece of the puzzle' missng'
'A 'bad' cop can't sleep, because his/her 'conscience' won't let him/her'
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