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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-4377568/Prostate-cancer-test-s-90-accurate.html
But not as accurate as the 'unreliable' dogs who manage a 97% success rate!
But not as accurate as the 'unreliable' dogs who manage a 97% success rate!
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Those "incredibly unreliable dogs" were featured on Fake Britain last night. This particular spaniel was a "tobacco dog". It sniffed all round a reinforced vehicle and alerted to tobacco. Upon breaking into the vehicle the Customs and Excise officers found ... tobacco. Several hundred thousand pounds worth of illegal cigarettes, in fact.
I couldn't help thinking of Clement Freud and his "One woof for yes, two for no".
Oh how they laughed!
So we have reliable drug dogs, tobacco dogs, cancer dogs, lost cat dogs, explosives dogs, blood dogs, cadaver dogs. Why, we even have dogs who detect 2 teaspoons of sugar in an Olympic size swimming pool.
But Professor Gerry McCann rails against science, biology (the dogs have X 1,000,000 more olfactory capability than humans) and a history of 100% accurate results.
They carried on laughing as Mr Zapata got off scot free after a cadaver dog alerted to the past presence of a corpse in various places including a hire car! The McCanns cited the case as proof of unreliable dogs. And then, horror of horrors, Mr Zapata admitted murdering his wife!!!
One woof for yes, two for no, indeed. When all the hilarity had died down, this ........
"Can I interest you in a strawberry vodka?" - Clement Freud. Page 194. "madeleine"
It's enough to make you utter those immortal words, "F***ing t*$$*r".
I couldn't help thinking of Clement Freud and his "One woof for yes, two for no".
Oh how they laughed!
So we have reliable drug dogs, tobacco dogs, cancer dogs, lost cat dogs, explosives dogs, blood dogs, cadaver dogs. Why, we even have dogs who detect 2 teaspoons of sugar in an Olympic size swimming pool.
But Professor Gerry McCann rails against science, biology (the dogs have X 1,000,000 more olfactory capability than humans) and a history of 100% accurate results.
They carried on laughing as Mr Zapata got off scot free after a cadaver dog alerted to the past presence of a corpse in various places including a hire car! The McCanns cited the case as proof of unreliable dogs. And then, horror of horrors, Mr Zapata admitted murdering his wife!!!
One woof for yes, two for no, indeed. When all the hilarity had died down, this ........
"Can I interest you in a strawberry vodka?" - Clement Freud. Page 194. "madeleine"
It's enough to make you utter those immortal words, "F***ing t*$$*r".
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Add to this Clarence Mitchell doing the perfect campaign symposium in Australia and try to hold onto the content of your stomach.
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But Professor Gerry McCann rails for science if it's a 'troll' article for a Science magazine!Mirage wrote:But Professor Gerry McCann rails against science, biology (the dogs have X 1,000,000 more olfactory capability than humans) and a history of 100% accurate results.
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Ha ha. So true. Not so much "The Lancet", more "The Chance-it".hogwash wrote:But Professor Gerry McCann rails for science if it's a 'troll' article for a Science magazine!Mirage wrote:But Professor Gerry McCann rails against science, biology (the dogs have X 1,000,000 more olfactory capability than humans) and a history of 100% accurate results.
Or even Flaky Findings R Us!
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Well of course the dogs are not reliable, they do not tell the approved Tapas 7 story!
In a previous job I was involved in taking part in a test of drugs dogs, very few mistakes were made but any that failed were sent back for retraining, tests of the dogs abilities were carried out on a regular basis. 2 different dogs indicated in their specialist field.
I am not a Dr so would never tell one they were prescribing the wrong medicine!!
In a previous job I was involved in taking part in a test of drugs dogs, very few mistakes were made but any that failed were sent back for retraining, tests of the dogs abilities were carried out on a regular basis. 2 different dogs indicated in their specialist field.
I am not a Dr so would never tell one they were prescribing the wrong medicine!!
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Sniffer dogs help police take knives and drugs off the streets of Leicester
Sniffer dogs have helped police seize a variety of drugs and weapons.
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A police sniffer dog has helped officers take four knives off the streets and identify more than 60 people carrying illegal drugs so far this year.
Officers have patrolled Leicester city centre on five Saturday nights since the beginning of the year as part of a long-term campaign to reduce night-time violence.
In that time, they have seized four knives and a set of martial arts nunchucks from people picked out by a sniffer dog for being in possession of or having recently handled drugs.
As well as the four weapons, officers have caught 63 people in possession of drugs such as cocaine, amphetamines, cannabis, LSD and a number of the now-banned former 'legal highs', Leicestershire Police said.
Officers believe cocaine in particular and some of the now-banned "new psychoactive substances" combine badly with alcohol and make users more prone to violence.
The people alleged to have been carrying blades have been charged with possession of an offensive weapon, while a number of people have been charged with supplying drugs.
image: http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/images/localworld/ugc-images/276308/binaries/sniffer2.jpg
Sgt Liz Perry and Sgt Steve Waft with police dog Ross and officers searching a suspect.
Read more: A daughter's plea - 'Help find thug who robbed my 87-year-old mum'
The campaign – which is called Operation Fall – will continue on regular weekend evenings throughout the rest of the year.
Sgt Liz Perry, who is overseeing the operation, said: "These are people who have come into the city with knives and there is no legitimate reason for doing so. It can only end badly.
"The drugs we have recovered range from cocaine and amphetamine to LSD cannabis and some of the former legal highs.
"We have also arrested a number of people on suspicion of possession with intent to supply."
In total, officers have searched more than 100 people.
The operation is being funded by Leicestershire's police and crime commissioner, Lord Willy Bach and is part of an ongoing operation to reduce offences involving knives.
Lord Bach said: "People need to know that carrying a knife is courting trouble and if they get caught with a bladed weapon the police will take robust action.
"I want those who think that carrying a knife is clever to learn that it really isn't.
"Not only can it land you with a four-year prison sentence, but it is more likely to provoke violence than protect against it."
Read more at http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sniffer-dogs-help-police-take-knives-and-drugs-off-the-streets/story-30256886-detail/story.html#Fl81xeT5Uwi5U3Dc.99
Sniffer dogs have helped police seize a variety of drugs and weapons.
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A police sniffer dog has helped officers take four knives off the streets and identify more than 60 people carrying illegal drugs so far this year.
Officers have patrolled Leicester city centre on five Saturday nights since the beginning of the year as part of a long-term campaign to reduce night-time violence.
In that time, they have seized four knives and a set of martial arts nunchucks from people picked out by a sniffer dog for being in possession of or having recently handled drugs.
As well as the four weapons, officers have caught 63 people in possession of drugs such as cocaine, amphetamines, cannabis, LSD and a number of the now-banned former 'legal highs', Leicestershire Police said.
Officers believe cocaine in particular and some of the now-banned "new psychoactive substances" combine badly with alcohol and make users more prone to violence.
The people alleged to have been carrying blades have been charged with possession of an offensive weapon, while a number of people have been charged with supplying drugs.
image: http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/images/localworld/ugc-images/276308/binaries/sniffer2.jpg
Sgt Liz Perry and Sgt Steve Waft with police dog Ross and officers searching a suspect.
Read more: A daughter's plea - 'Help find thug who robbed my 87-year-old mum'
The campaign – which is called Operation Fall – will continue on regular weekend evenings throughout the rest of the year.
Sgt Liz Perry, who is overseeing the operation, said: "These are people who have come into the city with knives and there is no legitimate reason for doing so. It can only end badly.
"The drugs we have recovered range from cocaine and amphetamine to LSD cannabis and some of the former legal highs.
"We have also arrested a number of people on suspicion of possession with intent to supply."
In total, officers have searched more than 100 people.
The operation is being funded by Leicestershire's police and crime commissioner, Lord Willy Bach and is part of an ongoing operation to reduce offences involving knives.
Lord Bach said: "People need to know that carrying a knife is courting trouble and if they get caught with a bladed weapon the police will take robust action.
"I want those who think that carrying a knife is clever to learn that it really isn't.
"Not only can it land you with a four-year prison sentence, but it is more likely to provoke violence than protect against it."
Read more at http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sniffer-dogs-help-police-take-knives-and-drugs-off-the-streets/story-30256886-detail/story.html#Fl81xeT5Uwi5U3Dc.99
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Ah yes, dear Clement "one woof for yes, two for no". What does he suggest for blow-flies "One buzz for yes, two for no"? Has Gerry ever encountered an "incredibly unreliable" blow-fly - one who can't identify cadaver odour? They, just like cadaver dogs, rely on cadaver odours to guide them. They can spot corpses, especially dark-pelted or furred ones, in bright conditions but in darkness it's odour that guides them and I've yet to hear of blow-flies being unreliable no-shows when there's death around.
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http://www.richmond.com/news/local/crime/evidence-in-chesterfield-no-body-murder-case-includes-blood-and/article_a109ee3e-92bd-572f-91ba-c02e840d6107.html
In addition, a cadaver dog that police used in examining the vehicle “alerted” to the presence of decomposing human flesh, Hogan said. Cadaver dogs are trained to locate and follow the scent of decomposing remains.
And on and on and on.
Evidence in Chesterfield 'no body' murder case includes blood and 'alert' from a cadaver dog www.richmond.com A Chesterfield County judge denied bail Tuesday for a former Midlothian physician charged with murder in the disappearance and presumed death of his girlfriend, after the prosecution outlined much of |
- A cadaver dog that police used in examining the comforter “alerted” to the scent of decomposing human flesh on the quilt.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40278564
Paris catacombs: Missing boys rescued after three days
Two teenage boys have been rescued, and are being treated for hypothermia, after spending three days lost in the catacombs beneath Paris.
A spokesman for the Paris fire service said tracker dogs had helped them find the boys, aged 16 and 17, during a four-hour rescue effort.
The catacombs are a network of ancient burial chambers that stretch some 250km (150 miles) beneath the French capital.
Only a small section of the catacombs is open to the public.
But enthusiasts, known in French as cataphiles, have been known to sneak illegally into the tunnels via secret entrances, to explore them or hold secret parties, the BBC's Hugh Schofield in Paris reports.
The two teenagers went into the catacombs on Saturday night. It is not clear when or how the alarm was raised, but police launched their rescue effort three days later.
They were said to be suffering from severe cold but otherwise unharmed.
The bones of an estimated six million people are in the catacombs. They were transported there towards the end of the 18th Century from overflowing mediaeval cemeteries.
The temperature in the dark narrow passageways is about 15 degrees Celsius (59 degrees Fahrenheit), AFP news agency says.
Paris catacombs: Missing boys rescued after three days
Two teenage boys have been rescued, and are being treated for hypothermia, after spending three days lost in the catacombs beneath Paris.
A spokesman for the Paris fire service said tracker dogs had helped them find the boys, aged 16 and 17, during a four-hour rescue effort.
The catacombs are a network of ancient burial chambers that stretch some 250km (150 miles) beneath the French capital.
Only a small section of the catacombs is open to the public.
But enthusiasts, known in French as cataphiles, have been known to sneak illegally into the tunnels via secret entrances, to explore them or hold secret parties, the BBC's Hugh Schofield in Paris reports.
The two teenagers went into the catacombs on Saturday night. It is not clear when or how the alarm was raised, but police launched their rescue effort three days later.
They were said to be suffering from severe cold but otherwise unharmed.
The bones of an estimated six million people are in the catacombs. They were transported there towards the end of the 18th Century from overflowing mediaeval cemeteries.
The temperature in the dark narrow passageways is about 15 degrees Celsius (59 degrees Fahrenheit), AFP news agency says.
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LFB and Police are to 'use' sniffer dogs, to 'search', in Grenfell Tower structure.
What for?
'They' are 'incredibly unreliable', according to police dog behaviour 'expert' GM.
If, sadly, the dogs 'find/locate' just one child's/person's 'remains' it will have been totally 'worth' it!
What for?
'They' are 'incredibly unreliable', according to police dog behaviour 'expert' GM.
If, sadly, the dogs 'find/locate' just one child's/person's 'remains' it will have been totally 'worth' it!
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I'm certain none of the families and friends of those sadly still missing in Grenfell Tower will object to the search dogs being used .
Only the McCanns , and the ' he found a coconut " excusers as far as I'm aware have ever objected to these marvelous dogs and their handlers .
Only the McCanns , and the ' he found a coconut " excusers as far as I'm aware have ever objected to these marvelous dogs and their handlers .
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More on this story...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4613094/DOGS-help-grim-hunt-bodies-Grenfell-Tower.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4613094/DOGS-help-grim-hunt-bodies-Grenfell-Tower.html
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The Suzanne Pilley Murder (4 May 2010) and Murder Conviction of David Gilroy (15 March 2012)
Not sure if this case has been raised before? Anyway, thought it might be of interest.
Note, the conviction relied heavily on the positive reaction of the cadaver dogs from South Yorkshire Police - who indicated in a basement and the boot of Gilroy's car. Even more interestingly, the forensic team (unlike in the Madeleine McCann case) found no supporting DNA in the areas indicated by the cadaver dogs (it was suggested that cleansing had been carried out), but the dog evidence still stood. I am not sure whether this is because the case was heard under Scottish Law. The jury found Gilroy guilty and, considering the apparent lack of other evidence, the dog indications would seem to have been the main deciding factor. Suzanne's body has never been found. The conviction has been to appeal, which was rejected.
Despite this case having been under Scottish Law, surely it sets a precedent? Let's not forget that the McCanns jumped on the Eugene Zapata case (US) when the judge threw out the cadaver dog evidence in September 2007. When Zapata pleaded guilty soon after, he admitted that his wife's corpse had been in every location the dogs had indicated (dogs used in 2005/06; murder 1976; therefore, 30 year gap). The McCanns said no more about it. However, if the Mcs were happy to rely on US law then they must also be prepared to accept Scottish law. 'Shooting' and 'foot' are two words which come to mind.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Suzanne_Pilley
Not sure if this case has been raised before? Anyway, thought it might be of interest.
Note, the conviction relied heavily on the positive reaction of the cadaver dogs from South Yorkshire Police - who indicated in a basement and the boot of Gilroy's car. Even more interestingly, the forensic team (unlike in the Madeleine McCann case) found no supporting DNA in the areas indicated by the cadaver dogs (it was suggested that cleansing had been carried out), but the dog evidence still stood. I am not sure whether this is because the case was heard under Scottish Law. The jury found Gilroy guilty and, considering the apparent lack of other evidence, the dog indications would seem to have been the main deciding factor. Suzanne's body has never been found. The conviction has been to appeal, which was rejected.
Despite this case having been under Scottish Law, surely it sets a precedent? Let's not forget that the McCanns jumped on the Eugene Zapata case (US) when the judge threw out the cadaver dog evidence in September 2007. When Zapata pleaded guilty soon after, he admitted that his wife's corpse had been in every location the dogs had indicated (dogs used in 2005/06; murder 1976; therefore, 30 year gap). The McCanns said no more about it. However, if the Mcs were happy to rely on US law then they must also be prepared to accept Scottish law. 'Shooting' and 'foot' are two words which come to mind.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Suzanne_Pilley
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“I don’t understand the science behind it, but those dogs could smell these poor boys 12½ feet below the ground,”
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/pennsylvania/bucks-missing-men-cadaver-dogs-12-feet-underground-20170713.html
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/pennsylvania/bucks-missing-men-cadaver-dogs-12-feet-underground-20170713.html
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This case involved a boy who went missing in 2012. His father even went on a TV talk show ( Dr Phil) to do the whole 'grieving father' act. On TV he tried to deflect blame onto the child's mother.
"Dylan Redwine’s Father Arrested, Charged With Son’s Murder
DURANGO, Colo. (CBS4) – The La Plata County Sheriff’s Office confirmed Saturday that Mark Redwine, the father of Dylan Redwine, was arrested Saturday and charged with his son’s murder.
The arrest comes after a grand jury in Durango issued an indictment for probable cause against Mark Redwine.
Dylan Redwine disappeared in November 2012 during a court-ordered visitation at his father’s home in Durango. Dylan, 13 years old at the time of his murder, was staying at his father’s residence for the Thanksgiving holiday.
Dylan messaged his mother in Colorado Springs when he arrived at his father’s house on Nov. 18. He also texted a friend in Bayfield and made plans for the next morning. He was not heard from again.
Dylan was reported missing by his mother, Elaine Hallm the next day. That day, the first of several searches was conducted.
Searchers found human remains in June of 2013 near Vallecito, about eight miles away from Mark Redwine’s home. DNA testing confirmed the remains to be Dylan’s.
In a copy of the grand jury’s indictment provided to CBS4, details of the case became public.
“Mark Redwine and Dylan Redwine had argued and fought on their previous visit, they had not been getting along leading up to the court ordered visit, and several witnesses stated that Dylan Redwine did not want to visit Mark Redwine. Text messages indicated Dylan Redwine had asked to stay with a friend rather than his father the same night of his arrival, a request that was denied by Mark Redwine. Dylan Redwine.”
The indictment describes how Dylan’s blood was found in Mark Redwine’s living room furniture and floor. A cadaver dog also detected the scent of a corpse at several locations in the home, on the clothing Mark Redwine reported he was wearing that night, and his pickup truck.
In November of 2015, Dylan’s skull was found a mile and a half away from the first recovery site. A wildlife officer told investigators that no animal known to the area would have transported a body through difficult, uphill terrain for that distance. Forensic anthropologists determined the skull had injuries consistent with blunt force trauma and knife marks."
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2017/07/22/colorado-father-dylan-redwine/
"Dylan Redwine’s Father Arrested, Charged With Son’s Murder
DURANGO, Colo. (CBS4) – The La Plata County Sheriff’s Office confirmed Saturday that Mark Redwine, the father of Dylan Redwine, was arrested Saturday and charged with his son’s murder.
The arrest comes after a grand jury in Durango issued an indictment for probable cause against Mark Redwine.
Dylan Redwine disappeared in November 2012 during a court-ordered visitation at his father’s home in Durango. Dylan, 13 years old at the time of his murder, was staying at his father’s residence for the Thanksgiving holiday.
Dylan messaged his mother in Colorado Springs when he arrived at his father’s house on Nov. 18. He also texted a friend in Bayfield and made plans for the next morning. He was not heard from again.
Dylan was reported missing by his mother, Elaine Hallm the next day. That day, the first of several searches was conducted.
Searchers found human remains in June of 2013 near Vallecito, about eight miles away from Mark Redwine’s home. DNA testing confirmed the remains to be Dylan’s.
In a copy of the grand jury’s indictment provided to CBS4, details of the case became public.
“Mark Redwine and Dylan Redwine had argued and fought on their previous visit, they had not been getting along leading up to the court ordered visit, and several witnesses stated that Dylan Redwine did not want to visit Mark Redwine. Text messages indicated Dylan Redwine had asked to stay with a friend rather than his father the same night of his arrival, a request that was denied by Mark Redwine. Dylan Redwine.”
The indictment describes how Dylan’s blood was found in Mark Redwine’s living room furniture and floor. A cadaver dog also detected the scent of a corpse at several locations in the home, on the clothing Mark Redwine reported he was wearing that night, and his pickup truck.
In November of 2015, Dylan’s skull was found a mile and a half away from the first recovery site. A wildlife officer told investigators that no animal known to the area would have transported a body through difficult, uphill terrain for that distance. Forensic anthropologists determined the skull had injuries consistent with blunt force trauma and knife marks."
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2017/07/22/colorado-father-dylan-redwine/
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The Nose Knows
Can cadaver dogs really sniff out 30-year-old remains?
April 19 2012
Police on Thursday revived their search for Etan Patz, a 6-year-old who disappeared in 1979 en route to a New York City bus stop, after a cadaver-sniffing dog recently detected the odor of human remains in a basement near Patz’s SoHo home. Can dogs really smell 33-year-old remains?
Yes, if you have the right dog. Genetics matter: beagles, bloodhounds, German shepherds, and Labrador retrievers are best, although many breeds are appropriate as long as the dogs prove smart and eager to please. Education is also crucial. At coaching centers for “canine law enforcement officers,” there’s a rigorous training during which the pooch is exposed either to human remains (bits of bone, blood, or nail clippings) or to “pseudoscents” that simulate the death odor. Dogs can only indicate the presence of a smell, not an actual cadaver—but their sensitivity to the olfactory traces of decomposition means they can sometimes tell where a body was even after it’s been removed. Still, sniffer dogs are not always reliable: Sometimes they get waylaid by any decaying organic matter (e.g. a rotten log), and similar chemical signatures make it impossible for them to distinguish between humans and pigs. Thus, handlers are taught always to be on the alert for false positives.
Researchers from the University of Alabama, hoping to zero in on how long the scent of death might linger at a crime scene, designed a test for the state police’s cadaver dogs. A single human vertebra, more than 30 years old, was buried 12 inches deep. The dogs were let loose across a 300-by-150-foot plot, and several succeeded in sniffing out the dry bone fragment. So it’s certainly possible that the canines recruited for Etan Patz’s search could detect parts of a 33-year-old body hidden in the basement on Prince Street. A variety of factors, however, mediate the strength of the death odor and how quickly it dissipates. Temperature, humidity, the softness or hardness of the ground, and the amount of degrading matter all play a role, as does the physiology of the dog. (A heavily panting pooch can’t scent very well.)
No one knows exactly what dogs are smelling when they indicate the possible presence of remains. Well-trained cadaver dogs will not flag a living person or an animal. Possible scents include two byproducts of decomposition: putrescine and cadaverine. Although these compounds are common to all decaying material, an ace cadaver dog has such fine-tuned senses, it can differentiate human remains from most animals’. Belgian researchers at the Royal Military Academy in Brussels recently isolated a compound, dimethyl sulphide, that trained dogs will detect and respond to. The sulfide itself accompanies putrefaction in many kinds of organic matter, including human.
Explainer thanks Maria Claxton of the South Carolina Search and Rescue Dog Association and Keith Jacobi of the University of Alabama.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2012/04/etan_patz_search_renewed_can_cadaver_dogs_smell_30_year_old_corpses_.html
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An elderly woman who went missing has been found by a sniffer dog because she bottled her scent.
The woman, who has dementia, disappeared from her Florida home for around two hours on Monday.
But she was found less than five minutes after a sniffer dog was given a sample of her scent to trace.
The elderly woman, who made the sample around two years ago, was returned home safely.
In a Facebook post, Citrus County Sheriff's Office said: "Do you have a SCENT PRESERVATION KIT? K9 Ally hopes that you do.
"Last night K9 Ally and her handler, Deputy Justin Williams successfully tracked a missing endangered elderly woman with dementia."
Scent preservation involves using cotton pads to swab underarms and putting them in sealed containers to retain the smell.
Traditionally, sniffer dogs would take the scent of missing people from their pillows or items of clothing.
Police forces in the US are encouraging people to use scent preservation kits to make searches for lost friends and relatives easier.
Sumter County Sheriff's Office, which offers the kits for free, says they are especially helpful for people with "diminishing mental faculties or children".
Scent preservation kits are more effective than old rags because they haven't been contaminated by other smells.
K9 Ally was rewarded with an ice cream for tracking down the missing woman.
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How good are these dogs? What a great story.
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Next week (I think) a new series of Dog Patrol starts on CBS REALITY station. Saw a trailer today and it showed some very RELIABLE dogs at work.
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https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/aug/06/forensic-scientists-uk-body-farm-corpses
This has led to important breakthroughs in identifying chemicals that linger around places where bodies are buried, chemicals that can still be detected years later. These semi-volatile chemicals can be found on the surface and they can lead police to the place where a body is buried.
Forensic scientists are holding detailed talks with the government about setting up Britain’s first body farm, where researchers would study decomposing human corpses.
The aim would be to understand the precise manner in which cadavers decay in water or in soil or in open air. The US has several such centres, which have waiting lists of people who have left their bodies to forensic science. Their corpses are buried, hung from trees or immersed in water and analysed in detail to understand how they break down in different conditions. However, geographical conditions in America are very different from Britain’s, so researchers want to establish a centre here.
The lessons learned from the centres – which have featured in crime novels by Patricia Cornwell and in forensic science programmes on television – are then used to help find missing bodies and to understand when and how a person was murdered.
Anna Williams, a forensic anthropologist at Huddersfield University, said that cases like those of April Jones, Milly Dowler or the Soham murders “could have been helped with information of the type that we will get from such centres”.
“It would have allowed us to develop improved search and location techniques for finding bodies of people who had been missing for a long time. There is now an urgent need to establish one in this country,” Williams said.
Williams is one of the scientists involved in talks with the Human Tissue Authority (HTA) as part of the effort to have a body farm – or taphonomy facility as it is known officially – built in the UK. (Taphonomy is the study of the processes that occur in an organism after its death.)
“There is a real urgency to this plan,” Williams said. “If we do not get a taphonomy centre, UK forensic science will fall behind other countries.”
Last week the HTA confirmed it was holding talks and was in regular contact with the scientists involved. “Our aim,” a spokesman said, “is to ensure that, were such a facility to be established in the UK, the consent of the individuals who donate their bodies would have primacy and the activities taking place would be subject to the same standards as those required in other areas of research where human tissue is used.”
Another British scientist pressing for a body farm – John Cassella, a professor of forensic science education at Staffordshire University – said that much more research was needed.
“In science, we get answers by carrying out experiments, and forensic science is no different,” he said. “We need to carry out experiments on corpses to understand the processes that take place in humans after they have died and that is just the sort of thing we would do at these centres.”
Until now, British scientists have used pigs – which have physiological similarities to humans – to try to understand what happens to a body after death. This has led to important breakthroughs in identifying chemicals that linger around places where bodies are buried, chemicals that can still be detected years later. These semi-volatile chemicals can be found on the surface and they can lead police to the place where a body is buried.
However, those pushing for a body farm in Britain say that this process could be made much more accurate and useful – which would save police time and money – if they could use human bodies and not those of pigs.
There are now six body farms in the US and plans are under way to build two more. University of Technology Sydney, in Australia, also has a facility, while in the Netherlands, Amsterdam’s Academic Medical Centre plans to open one this year.
“Each of these facilities studies how local conditions affect the decay of human bodies,” said Cassella. “America has very different climate and geology from the UK. So we need one that will provide us with information about how these processes will occur here. ”
According to the magazine Research Fortnight, public acceptance of a body farm may pose a problem, though this could be avoided if the centre was introduced in phases, with the initial step being a facility that studied corpses that have been buried.
Williams estimated that such a farm would cost about £500,000 to set up. “Forensic research gets very little funding from research councils, so we are hoping that an academic institution within a university might help,” she said. “If not, we will turn to crowd funding. More and more research is being funded this way.”
This has led to important breakthroughs in identifying chemicals that linger around places where bodies are buried, chemicals that can still be detected years later. These semi-volatile chemicals can be found on the surface and they can lead police to the place where a body is buried.
Forensic scientists are holding detailed talks with the government about setting up Britain’s first body farm, where researchers would study decomposing human corpses.
The aim would be to understand the precise manner in which cadavers decay in water or in soil or in open air. The US has several such centres, which have waiting lists of people who have left their bodies to forensic science. Their corpses are buried, hung from trees or immersed in water and analysed in detail to understand how they break down in different conditions. However, geographical conditions in America are very different from Britain’s, so researchers want to establish a centre here.
The lessons learned from the centres – which have featured in crime novels by Patricia Cornwell and in forensic science programmes on television – are then used to help find missing bodies and to understand when and how a person was murdered.
Anna Williams, a forensic anthropologist at Huddersfield University, said that cases like those of April Jones, Milly Dowler or the Soham murders “could have been helped with information of the type that we will get from such centres”.
“It would have allowed us to develop improved search and location techniques for finding bodies of people who had been missing for a long time. There is now an urgent need to establish one in this country,” Williams said.
Williams is one of the scientists involved in talks with the Human Tissue Authority (HTA) as part of the effort to have a body farm – or taphonomy facility as it is known officially – built in the UK. (Taphonomy is the study of the processes that occur in an organism after its death.)
“There is a real urgency to this plan,” Williams said. “If we do not get a taphonomy centre, UK forensic science will fall behind other countries.”
Last week the HTA confirmed it was holding talks and was in regular contact with the scientists involved. “Our aim,” a spokesman said, “is to ensure that, were such a facility to be established in the UK, the consent of the individuals who donate their bodies would have primacy and the activities taking place would be subject to the same standards as those required in other areas of research where human tissue is used.”
Another British scientist pressing for a body farm – John Cassella, a professor of forensic science education at Staffordshire University – said that much more research was needed.
“In science, we get answers by carrying out experiments, and forensic science is no different,” he said. “We need to carry out experiments on corpses to understand the processes that take place in humans after they have died and that is just the sort of thing we would do at these centres.”
Until now, British scientists have used pigs – which have physiological similarities to humans – to try to understand what happens to a body after death. This has led to important breakthroughs in identifying chemicals that linger around places where bodies are buried, chemicals that can still be detected years later. These semi-volatile chemicals can be found on the surface and they can lead police to the place where a body is buried.
However, those pushing for a body farm in Britain say that this process could be made much more accurate and useful – which would save police time and money – if they could use human bodies and not those of pigs.
There are now six body farms in the US and plans are under way to build two more. University of Technology Sydney, in Australia, also has a facility, while in the Netherlands, Amsterdam’s Academic Medical Centre plans to open one this year.
“Each of these facilities studies how local conditions affect the decay of human bodies,” said Cassella. “America has very different climate and geology from the UK. So we need one that will provide us with information about how these processes will occur here. ”
According to the magazine Research Fortnight, public acceptance of a body farm may pose a problem, though this could be avoided if the centre was introduced in phases, with the initial step being a facility that studied corpses that have been buried.
Williams estimated that such a farm would cost about £500,000 to set up. “Forensic research gets very little funding from research councils, so we are hoping that an academic institution within a university might help,” she said. “If not, we will turn to crowd funding. More and more research is being funded this way.”
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Hi GGG,in reference to the Guardian article and the UK undertaking having a"Human Site"to discover the process of forensic matter?
Just imagine if you are a perpetrator of one of these acts,you then found out where the sites where being undertaken,that if there wasn't a 24 Seven monitoring of the area,where the perpetrators could dispose of their own victims?
Sherlock Holmes would have to come out of retirement or Burke and Hare would be busy?
Just imagine if you are a perpetrator of one of these acts,you then found out where the sites where being undertaken,that if there wasn't a 24 Seven monitoring of the area,where the perpetrators could dispose of their own victims?
Sherlock Holmes would have to come out of retirement or Burke and Hare would be busy?
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