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"Unreliable" dogs do it AGAIN! Double murder couple found guilty.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 21.06.14 13:06

http://www.nottinghamshire.police.uk/blog/2014-06-20/body-dogs-jack-and-charlie-not-be-sniffed

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Body dogs Jack and Charlie not to be sniffed at

June 20, 2014



When the Force’s new ‘body’ dogs were called upon to assist in the Wycherleys murder case, you would be forgiven for thinking their lack of experience and the time passed may not bring results.

But three-year-old spaniels Jack and Charlie indicated at the burial site in the back garden of Blenheim Close, Forest Town, almost immediately.

PC Leigh Whitehead is Cocker Jack’s handler and PC Gav Berry takes Springer Charlie’s lead.

PC Whitehead said: “Our dogs are chosen for their drive and work ethic. Jack and Charlie have this in abundance.

"I’m not surprised by their performance that day. They did exactly what they are trained to do.

"The circumstances posed a significant challenge for them but I’m proud to say it’s a challenge they lived up to and surpassed.

He trained the canine cops over an eight-week period before they were licensed by PC Terry Arnett from the West Midlands Police in August 2013.

Since September, Jack and Charlie have been deployed 22 times.

https://www.google.co.uk/#q=Wycherleys+murder+case
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PC Whitehead said: "I’m not surprised by their performance that day. They did exactly what they are trained to do."

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Post by SixMillionQuid on 21.06.14 13:59

Good work doggies. Now we have another little job that needs verification.

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Post by margaret on 21.06.14 14:24

Dr.gerry will be furious. Good work doggies!
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Post by sofieellis on 21.06.14 14:54

I can think of a couple of people who won't be happy about this story. 

Well done to jack and Charlie and their handlers.  clapping  clapping  clapping

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Post by Okeydokey on 22.06.14 19:41

Excellent news!  lol4  youaretheman  affraid  lol4

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Post by Guest on 27.06.14 10:28

Last night's Holby City featured a sniffer dog able to diagnose c dificille in humans three days in advance of lab tests - leaving the staff with the thorny decision of whether or not to isolate a patient on the advice of a dog.... In fact, going by this I think they used the actual dog.



The same program also features a pair of doctors (one of them a simmering Scottish nutter) trying to conceive by IVF, only for the Mrs to become pregnant as a result of a one night stand with a colleague. That bit's completely fictional of course.
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Post by Guest on 27.06.14 11:02

Clay Regazzoni wrote:Last night's Holby City featured a sniffer dog able to diagnose c dificille in humans three days in advance of lab tests - leaving the staff with the thorny decision of whether or not to isolate a patient on the advice of a dog.... In fact, going by this I think they used the actual dog.



The same program also features a pair of doctors (one of them a simmering Scottish nutter) trying to conceive by IVF, only for the Mrs to become pregnant as a result of a one night stand with a colleague. That bit's completely fictional of course.

You'd think, as people of science, that Drs Kate and Gerry McCann would be better informed than most people on the effectiveness of well-trained sniffer dogs.
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Post by PeterMac on 27.06.14 14:52

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You'd think, as people of science, that Drs Kate and Gerry McCann would be better informed than most people on the effectiveness of well-trained sniffer dogs.
They undoubtedly ARE.
Which is why they have no choice but to try to denigrate their effectiveness, even though in Kate;s Autobiography, Exhibit KH 1 she got is spectacularly Wrong.
What is noticeable is how whenever the subject of the dogs is raised this site is immediately trolled and the thread is disrupted by people who suddenly appear, as if from nowhere,
and Twitter suffers in the same way.

The whole world knows knows that dogs are reliable.  
They may miss things, but they never (OK almost never !) give a false positive.
The dogs alerting on all those places associated with the Mccanns AND TO NO OTHER PLACES, is a killer blow, and they know it.
They also know that the police of two nations use dogs in very much the same way
And they know that round the world there are many people serving long terms of imprisonment purely because a dog said a body had been in a particular place.

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Post by onehand on 27.06.14 15:24

another find of a dog in service, this time in spain.

http://ccaa.elpais.com/ccaa/2014/06/18/galicia/1403084580_823634.html

part of the article by google translation to english:

Late yesterday afternoon it emerged that during the mount with tracking dogs were walked and were found bones and other remains which must now study forensic reports Pablo Taboada. This morning continued the search. Investigators combed the pine forest on both sides of the firewall and the judicial team oversaw the collection and packaging of the remains found. Sources of the Civil Guard explained to Europa Press that, with the support of three specialists ocular research team (ECIO) and dog expert service dog, a skull pieces, teeth and other bones scattered over several square meters was found one side of the firewall, in addition to remains of damaged clothing few meters from where the SUV was found. The judge inspected and supervised the collection of clothing, the remains of a campfire where you could have tried burning a computer gone, along with the bones, pieces of a skull with no apparent signs of violence or a phone case Mobile, among other elements. The tests will be analyzed at the Institute of Legal Medicine of Galicia (Imelga) and in the central laboratory of the Judicial Police of the Guardia Civil in Madrid. He has spoken judice.

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Post by ultimaThule on 27.06.14 15:30

@PeterMac wrote:
Popcorn wrote:
You'd think, as people of science, that Drs Kate and Gerry McCann would be better informed than most people on the effectiveness of well-trained sniffer dogs.
They undoubtedly ARE.
Which is why they have no choice but to try to denigrate their effectiveness, even though in Kate;s Autobiography, Exhibit KH 1 she got is spectacularly Wrong.
What is noticeable is how whenever the subject of the dogs is raised this site is immediately trolled and the thread is disrupted by people who suddenly appear, as if from nowhere,
and Twitter suffers in the same way.

The whole world knows knows that dogs are reliable.  
They may miss things, but they never (OK almost never !) give a false positive.
The dogs alerting on all those places associated with the Mccanns AND TO NO OTHER PLACES, is a killer blow, and they know it.
They also know that the police of two nations use dogs in very much the same way
And they know that round the world there are many people serving long terms of imprisonment purely because a dog said a body had been in a particular place.

They most certainly became better informed than most people after Eddie and Keela were brought into the case, but I suspect they didn't have a clue about the work of EVRD dogs prior to July 2007,.  

I sometimes entertain myself by compiling a list of 'experts' who will be called by the defence to refute the prosecution's case but when it comes to a professional witness who is capable of refuting the evidence of Mr Grimes' canines, I'm stumped.
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Post by Brian Griffin on 27.06.14 17:48

Dogs don't make mistakes. They have no 'wider agenda'. They just know what they have to do, and do it. No second-guessing; no nonsense, just find and alert. Just as they did in a certain apartment at a certain seaside resort seven years ago. But (touch my ear and smirk) dogs are 'notoriously unreliable', aren't they?
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Post by jeanmonroe on 27.06.14 18:00

WTF is this all about?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-28041848

26 June 2014 Last updated at 19:25

Charlie Bothuell found after being missing 11 days

A 12-year-old missing for 11 days was found by police in his own basement, and his father was told of the discovery live on television.

Charlie Bothuell was feared dead after disappearing in Detroit on 14 June.

On Wednesday, officers found the boy behind a barricade of boxes in his family's basement.

His father, Charles Bothuell IV, was appealing to HLN viewers for help when presenter Nancy Grace said Charlie was found alive and well.

The father appeared to be stunned and said "What?"

He told the presenter his family, Detroit police and FBI had searched the basement several times.

"God, they brought dogs, everything... Everybody has searched," Charles Bothuell IV said. "Oh god, my son."

"I've never seen anything quite like this," Detroit Police Chief James Craig told reporters. "But the outcome - I couldn't be happier."

Charlie was removed from the home and was given medical attention at a nearby hospital.

He was medically cleared and released on Thursday, with Police Sgt Mike Woody telling US media the boy was "doing fine".

Police also confirmed to local media they had searched the family's basement with a cadaver dog, adding investigators were not sure Charlie had been in the basement for the full 11 days.

Mr Craig told the Detroit News Charlie "won't be put back into the home until we finish our investigation".
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Charles Bothuell: We had searched basement for missing boy

26 June 2014 Last updated at 23:26 BST

The father of a 12-year-old boy missing for 11 days and found by police in his own basement has said authorities thoroughly searched the area in the days prior.

Charlie Bothuell V was feared dead after disappearing in Detroit on 14 June.

On Wednesday, officers found the boy behind a barricade of boxes in his family's basement.

"They went down there with search dogs," the boy's father, Charles Bothuell IV, told reporters.

"The FBI couldn't find him and the Detroit police couldn't find him."

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Post by ultimaThule on 27.06.14 18:39

11 days in a basement hidden behind 'a barricade of boxes'?  If that was true the EVRD dogs would have alerted to the body, jeanm.

Another case where the full story will only be revealed in the fullness of time, but it could be that this 12 year old may have had reason to stay out of the reach of his papa for a while.
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Post by SchrodingersBody on 27.06.14 18:52

I'm thinking the cadaver dogs didn't alert because they are notoriously unreliable, nothing whatsoever to do with the lad being alive, and there being no cadaver for them to find. Their only  unreliability is in the fact that they can't be relied upon to support Our Gerald and his abduction hypothesis.


Looking forward to see the McSpin on that one.

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Post by plebgate on 27.06.14 18:56

@SchrodingersBody wrote:I'm thinking the cadaver dogs didn't alert because they are notoriously unreliable, nothing whatsoever to do with the lad being alive, and there being no cadaver for them to find. Their only  unreliability is in the fact that they can't be relied upon to support Our Gerald and his abduction hypothesis.


Looking forward to see the McSpin on that one.
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As UT posted, more to come on this for sure.

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Post by Guest on 27.06.14 19:05

Someone posted a link to a news interview about this on facebook yesterday. The father was being intervied live , when the police told him they had found his son alive. Odd story, maybe the boy had ran away and the snuck back home but 11 days is a long time for a child of that age to fend for himself, so it's possible others were involved and he may have been harmed. As least he's still alive.
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Post by jeanmonroe on 27.06.14 19:28

Before the McSpinners get to work:

CADAVER dogs ONLY 'alert' to 'cadavers scent' (dead bodies)

Nothing 'surprising' there, that's what they are trained to do.

But a cadaver dog 'alerted' to a scent in apartment 5A. McCann's holiday apartment.

Shouldn't the McCanns be screaming from the rooftops 'If it wasn't Madeleine's scent, because there's no evidence she has come to harm, then who the fcuk's cavader scent was it, that UK EVRD dog 'alerted' to, in our holiday apartment?"

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Post by jeanmonroe on 27.06.14 20:23

presenter Nancy Grace
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Ah!

Just noticed 'our Nance' was the one to tell the father 'live' on air!

HMMMMMM.

So that would be the same sychophantic McCann 'supporter' who knew nothing about the Madeleine case the last time we saw her.

Who, no doubt, will be spinning this latest 'coup' as 'see, missing people can be 'found' live on my TV show' "It's a miracle"

Just another 'case' of a 'missing person' being found, just in time for libel case!

Good ol' Nance!

Cheque's in the post!

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1308/16/ng.01.html

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Take the case of Polly Klaas, who was abducted from her home in 1993 and was found dead months later. Her father, Marc, said he and other family members were questioned by police and cleared within a week of Polly`s disappearance.

MARC KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION: We took polygraph exams. We answered all their questions until they were satisfied that we had nothing to do with it, and then they moved on.
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Come on K&G, make my day, and take those polygraph tests!

Just like Carl Probyn, the step father of your ALWAYS quoted 'missing' Jaycee Duggard, did!

HE took and passed FOUR (4) lie detector tests, related to Jaycee's 'disappearance'!

So G&K take the 'polygraph/lie detector tests' and prove us all wrong!


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Post by Guest on 28.06.14 0:00

@jeanmonroe Wasn't Nancy Grace critical of the McCanns in the early days? Has she changed her view?
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Post by MRNOODLES on 28.06.14 14:04

@jeanmonroe wrote:Before the McSpinners get to work:

CADAVER dogs ONLY 'alert' to 'cadavers scent' (dead bodies)

Nothing 'surprising' there, that's what they are trained to do.

But a cadaver dog 'alerted' to a scent in apartment 5A. McCann's holiday apartment.

Shouldn't the McCanns be screaming from the rooftops 'If it wasn't Madeleine's scent, because there's no evidence she has come to harm, then who the fcuk's cavader scent was it, that UK EVRD dog 'alerted' to, in our holiday apartment?"

Or they could try a different tac of. The bent coppers made the dogs alert by given them a command.

Did Kate allude to this in her novel?
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Post by Cristobell on 28.06.14 14:38

@MRNOODLES wrote:
@jeanmonroe wrote:Before the McSpinners get to work:

CADAVER dogs ONLY 'alert' to 'cadavers scent' (dead bodies)

Nothing 'surprising' there, that's what they are trained to do.

But a cadaver dog 'alerted' to a scent in apartment 5A. McCann's holiday apartment.

Shouldn't the McCanns be screaming from the rooftops 'If it wasn't Madeleine's scent, because there's no evidence she has come to harm, then who the fcuk's cavader scent was it, that UK EVRD dog 'alerted' to, in our holiday apartment?"

Or they could try a different tac of.  The bent coppers made the dogs alert by given them a command.  

Did Kate allude to this in her novel?
She relaxed a little and referred to it as not being an exact science.  Like the rest of 'KH1', her recollection of the dog video is very incriminating.  She is completely on the defensive and shows no concern whatsoever that her child may have been harmed or killed.  Her priority is proving the dogs were wrong, not the discovery of what happened to her daughter.

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Post by Guest on 28.06.14 15:21

http://medicaldetectiondogs.org.uk/

Aren't dogs incredible creatures?  I've always been fearful of dogs but I'm starting to love them.
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Post by Guest on 28.06.14 16:47

This in today's Guardian, sorry slightly off topic but another apparent estimony to the skill of dogs:-

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/jun/27/experience-my-dog-found-my-cancer

Yep, lets ask the dogs  big grin
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Post by jeanmonroe on 30.06.14 14:15

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2674358/TWO-HELD-AFTER-PENSIONER-FOUND-DEAD.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

Two people have been arrested on suspicion of murder after police searching for a missing pensioner discovered a body at her home.

Cynthia Beamond, 80, from Howley Grange in Halesowen, West Midlands, was reported missing after she was last seen on Friday morning.

West Midlands Police said the body, which has not been formally identified, was found after an 'extensive and thorough search' of Mrs Beamond's home.

A 23-year-old woman and 32-year-old man are being held on suspicion of murder.

Detective Superintendent Tim Bacon said: 'Mrs Beamond's property has been searched by specialist officers in a bid to preserve as much evidence as possible.
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PROPER 'cops' doing a PROPER job!

............found after an 'extensive and THOROUGH search' of Mrs Beamond's home."

UNLIKE the 'elite' MET 'cops' in Tia Sharp's case.

('cosying up' to, tea and biccies with, and candle lit 'vigils' with the murdering scum, Hazell, for a WEEK!)

More interested in getting their gobs plastered all over the papers!, imo.

B*S*A*DS!

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