Maddie Witness Overheard Sinister Comment

Woofer wrote:

ShuBob wrote:I don't think the story is as bonkers as some are making out. Within it may be hidden nuggets of truth.

Nor do I - well I`m reserving judgement.

Its also the Daily Express and although James Murray usually writes very pro-McCann pieces, his last two indicate he may be changing tack.  The last one was about MI5 knowing what happened to Maddie and he has quoted Goncalo Amaral:-
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/485524/Portuguese-detective-says-MI5-spies-know-what-happened-to-Madeleine-McCann

Clay Regazzoni wrote:This story is quite fantastically reminiscent of the scene in The Wire where the police team blow the existence of their previously secret phone taps by hauling in a suspect for the murder of his "dawg", only for it it to turn out that he'd actually shot his dog.

Warning. VERY strong language in this clip, but well worth the watch anyway for an insight into the workings of Operation Grange.

NickE wrote:

suzyjohnson wrote:Apparently this woman overheard this conversation several days AFTER the abduction? And in PdL as well! 

So where was Madeleine in the meantime then? Whilst all the searches were going on

This report is just another lot of nonsense

See my post above. 

BlackCatBoogie wrote:Cr@p I'm sure, but wasn't there was a phone call from a local pub to LM/GM mobile on the night of the 3rd?  Or they were placed in the pub on the night of the 3rd?

I just cannot remember the details - wasn't the pub on Rue de 25 April - was it Clive's Bar or Kelly's bar - can anyone remember any details?
Cr@p I'm sure but I would still like to read up on it!



All in my own opinion, nothing stated as fact.

Miraflores wrote:

"There are people who say that they were seen entering an apartment block near the cemetery in Praia da Luz. At that point in time we weren’t able to detect which apartment they entered, who lived there, because it’s also a bit complicated because you have to understand it’s a tourist area and often it’s not known who the apartment belongs to."

This could explain why they needed the drunk to escort home. Do the dates match? It probably doesn't matter, because confusion is good.

ShuBob wrote:I don't think the story is as bonkers as some are making out. Within it may be hidden nuggets of truth.

canada12 wrote:EXCLUSIVE: Maddie witness overheard sinister comment about disposing of a body
A BRITISH woman has told Scotland Yard detectives seeking Madeleine McCann that she overheard a conversation in which a man said: “Why did you bring her here? Now we will have to dispose of the body.”

By: James Murray
Published: Sun, July 13, 2014
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/488487/EXCLUSIVE-Potential-key-witness-McCann-case

The potential key witness has been interviewed several times in Britain and used to live almost opposite apartment 5a of the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz on the Algarve, from where Madeleine, three, was taken on May 3, 2007.

The Sunday Express understands the comment was heard several hundred yards from the Ocean Club in a residential area towards the seafront.

The woman gave an interview to Portuguese detectives 13 days after the disappearance but the report on the informal interview does not mention her overhearing a conversation about disposing of a body.

However, in April 2008 the woman made a further statement in which she recounted hearing the astonishing comment, saying she heard it days after the abduction. She also claimed that the owner of a pub in Luz was called by a woman shortly after the disappearance who said she had overheard the comment about getting rid of a body.

The Sunday Express understands the owner of the bar has been interviewed but cannot recall the conversation.

The woman has since returned to Britain with her child and is living in the Home Counties.

When contacted by the Sunday Express, the woman, who we are choosing not to name to safeguard the investigation, said: “I do not want to say anything.”

Last month Scotland Yard detectives shadowed three searches of wasteland near the Ocean Club but no obvious clues were found.

Some materials gathered in the search were sent for forensic examination but officers were not hopeful of a breakthrough in the investigation.

BlackCatBoogie wrote:I find this report quite interesting because I have often thought that the McCanns pre-planned to some extent and knew full well what happened to MBM but in carrying the plan out something either went wrong, or there were disagreements about the final stages of the plan.  Or the plan had to change very quickly because it went wrong hence all the bungling.  

Hence 'the fcuking bastards have taken her', the bruises on KM and maybe the need for the alleged phtotoshopped sunglasses to hide brusies on GM in the last photo?  Also the traces of cadaver found in the apartment and the hire car - to me this bungling indicates something went wrong or they were maybe dropped in it to dispose of a body themselves at the last minute.
How this ties in with the establishment cover-up I do not know but I am sure something went wrong with the 'plan' (remember RM's words to the effect of ' this is the biggest cock-up on the planet'?).

I am sure this report is as dubious as most of the MSM cr@p but the idea behind it - a bungled 'plan' and a body that nobody knew how to or wanted to get rid of - is actually quite interesting to me.  

All in my own opinion nothing stated as fact.

MRNOODLES wrote:

Clay Regazzoni wrote:This story is quite fantastically reminiscent of the scene in The Wire where the police team blow the existence of their previously secret phone taps by hauling in a suspect for the murder of his "dawg", only for it it to turn out that he'd actually shot his dog.

Warning. VERY strong language in this clip, but well worth the watch anyway for an insight into the workings of Operation Grange.

Concealment of Madeleine?  I said concealment of marijuana!

canada12 wrote:

Miraflores wrote:

"There are people who say that they were seen entering an apartment block near the cemetery in Praia da Luz. At that point in time we weren’t able to detect which apartment they entered, who lived there, because it’s also a bit complicated because you have to understand it’s a tourist area and often it’s not known who the apartment belongs to."

This could explain why they needed the drunk to escort home. Do the dates match? It probably doesn't matter, because confusion is good.

And as Kate said in her diary "We've all been there." Was she referring to Madeleine?

Woofer wrote:Plebgate, I read it as :-
 
1. Woman used to live in PdL in May 2007 nearly opposite the McCann`s apartment.
 
2. She gave an interview to the PJ 13 days after Maddie disappeared but she did not mention the overheard conversation (so goodness knows why she was interviewed).  Maybe it`s in the files?
 
3. She gave another interview to the PJ in the following April 2008 and recounted hearing someone talking about moving a dead body 3 days after Maddie`s disappearance. (so why mention it then and not in the initial interview?).
 
4. During this 2008 interview she added that the owner of a bar had received a call from woman (I take that to be another woman) who had heard the same conversation.  The UK woman got to hear that another woman had also reported something similar from the owner of the bar, (but he/she is now denying it).
 
5.  The comment was heard several hundred yards from the Ocean club in a residential area towards the seafront.
 
So this woman (who now lives in the UK) must have been out away from her own apartment, with or without her child, at the time she heard the comment.

RESIDENT OF P.D.L. BUSINESSWOMAN 16 MAY 07

1328 to 1329 Witness statement of June Olwyn Wright 2007.05.16

TRANSLATION BY INES

05-Processos Vol V Pages 1328 - 1329

05_VOLUME_Va_Page_1328 05_VOLUME_Va_Page_1329 Witness Statement June Olwyn Wright Date: 2007-05-16 Occupation: Business woman Place of Work: 'Duque de Holanda' Bar She comes to the process as a witness. She has lived in P da L for 25 years.  She is the owner mentioned above, which she manages with her husband. This establishment is 200 metres away from the apartment block from which Madeleine disappeared. She has known Robert Murat for several years. She only knows by sight and from greetings exchanged when she has occasionally seen him in the street. She does not have any kind of friendship with him. She does not know where he lives. She only heard about his house from the news which named him as a suspect in the disappearance of the girl mentioned above. On the night of the disappearance, 3rd May, she was working in her bar when some employee who she cannot identify (but whom she knows works for Mark Warner) informed them that a girl had disappeared from the OC. The time would have been about 22.15. That almost half an hour afterwards, the witness joined various other people who were searching for the girl. At about 23.00 she went to the OC reception which is open for 24 hours, situated on Rua Direita, P da L. The she went to the reception next to the Tapas restaurant, where she arrived 10 minutes later. She was in the area for some time, namely near to the apartment Madeleine disappeared from. She says she passed by that spot several times as she made various rounds of the area. Later she extended her search to the perimeter of P da L but frequently returned to the Tapas Restaurant reception to find out whether there was any news. She stopped searching for the girl at about 05.00. During the night she did not see Robert Murat. She says she had not seen him for several months, until during the past week (a few days after the disappearance) she saw him once or twice with reporters who were sitting outside the apartment Madeleine disappeared from. This is the only time she saw him inside the OC zone. She describes him as a pleasant and easy going individual. She thinks he was a perfectly normal individual. She says no more. Reads, ratifies and signs with the interpreter.

Woofer wrote:Plebgate, I read it as :-
 
1. Woman used to live in PdL in May 2007 nearly opposite the McCann`s apartment.
 
2. She gave an interview to the PJ 13 days after Maddie disappeared but she did not mention the overheard conversation (so goodness knows why she was interviewed).  Maybe it`s in the files?
 
3. She gave another interview to the PJ in the following April 2008 and recounted hearing someone talking about moving a dead body 3 days after Maddie`s disappearance. (so why mention it then and not in the initial interview?).
 
4. During this 2008 interview she added that the owner of a bar had received a call from woman (I take that to be another woman) who had heard the same conversation.  The UK woman got to hear that another woman had also reported something similar from the owner of the bar, (but he/she is now denying it).
 
5.  The comment was heard several hundred yards from the Ocean club in a residential area towards the seafront.
 
So this woman (who now lives in the UK) must have been out away from her own apartment, with or without her child, at the time she heard the comment.

Hicks wrote:

canada12 wrote:

Miraflores wrote:

"There are people who say that they were seen entering an apartment block near the cemetery in Praia da Luz. At that point in time we weren’t able to detect which apartment they entered, who lived there, because it’s also a bit complicated because you have to understand it’s a tourist area and often it’s not known who the apartment belongs to."

This could explain why they needed the drunk to escort home. Do the dates match? It probably doesn't matter, because confusion is good.

And as Kate said in her diary "We've all been there." Was she referring to Madeleine?

The date was 19th June. This date must be significant. GM flew back home to the UK on the 19th. During the flight he administers first aid to an 80 year old man, who has never been named. Upon landing he gets his wallet stolen. No record of theft reported to the police. Cancels credit cards.

20th June GM has a series of meetings in Leicester. He flies back to Portugal in the evening where he is met by Kate at the airport. Kate was not a named driver so either she drove without being covered, or someone else drove, though Kate does not mention who that might have been.
On the way back, 'just before they reach the apartment, they encounter a drunk on the road who 'recognises them'. GM walks him home. Umm a lot happened in those two days.

What might we consider to be the real purposes of the stories above?

Was something passed between the man on the plane and GM? Then maybe that 'something' was passed again by way of the lost wallet to a third party? This wallet return via friends.....incredible! 

 Was the drunken man story a cover just in case anyone had seen GM enter an apartment with a man who, 'knew them'?

MRNOODLES wrote:

Woofer wrote:

ShuBob wrote:I don't think the story is as bonkers as some are making out. Within it may be hidden nuggets of truth.

Nor do I - well I`m reserving judgement.

Its also the Daily Express and although James Murray usually writes very pro-McCann pieces, his last two indicate he may be changing tack.  The last one was about MI5 knowing what happened to Maddie and he has quoted Goncalo Amaral:-
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/485524/Portuguese-detective-says-MI5-spies-know-what-happened-to-Madeleine-McCann

Has GM heard a whisper that this story was to be released?  Put it this way, recently he's been very 'excited' over the pesky dogs.  And been eager to tell everybody the McFacts on sniffer dogs.

Somebody has said further down the board about 'spooking'.  I could quite believe a turn on the preasure valve has taken place to see how,  certain people react.

All my opinion of course.

soundworks wrote:it all sickens me - everything is all about money, money, money

in my opinion (and its only my opinion) i think this was all planned for money and madeleine was sacrificed for this evil , cunning venture and nothing -nothing is gonna get in their way

again just my opinion

BlackCatBoogie wrote:

BlackCatBoogie wrote:Cr@p I'm sure, but wasn't there was a phone call from a local pub to LM/GM mobile on the night of the 3rd?  Or they were placed in the pub on the night of the 3rd?

I just cannot remember the details - wasn't the pub on Rue de 25 April - was it Clive's Bar or Kelly's bar - can anyone remember any details?
Cr@p I'm sure but I would still like to read up on it!



All in my own opinion, nothing stated as fact.

Page three of this thread contains some information about the apartment called Vilamura which was close to the Smith sighting.  This is the apartment that contained a freezer in the 

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t1760p10-philomena-mccann-one-greedy-unscrupulous-character?highlight=philomena

(For any newbies Get em Goncalo is this forum owner thus why the email mentioned was probably sent to her).

SuspiciousMinds wrote:
"He gave several interviews but I do recall one in particular which was exaggerated. Where he said that Madeleine's body had been kept frozen and then taken inside the boot of the car we had rented seven weeks later."

Sparklehorse wrote:

BlackCatBoogie wrote:

BlackCatBoogie wrote:Cr@p I'm sure, but wasn't there was a phone call from a local pub to LM/GM mobile on the night of the 3rd?  Or they were placed in the pub on the night of the 3rd?

I just cannot remember the details - wasn't the pub on Rue de 25 April - was it Clive's Bar or Kelly's bar - can anyone remember any details?
Cr@p I'm sure but I would still like to read up on it!



All in my own opinion, nothing stated as fact.

Page three of this thread contains some information about the apartment called Vilamura which was close to the Smith sighting.  This is the apartment that contained a freezer in the 

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t1760p10-philomena-mccann-one-greedy-unscrupulous-character?highlight=philomena

(For any newbies Get em Goncalo is this forum owner thus why the email mentioned was probably sent to her).

@BCB was it not Chaplin's Bar on Tues 1 May - searched this site but couldn't find it. Google search brings up several references including Steel Magnolia's blog dated 10 December 2010
http://steelmagnolia-steelmagnolia.blogspot.co.uk/2010/12/chaplins-bar-p.html

rustyjames wrote:

SuspiciousMinds wrote:
"He gave several interviews but I do recall one in particular which was exaggerated. Where he said that Madeleine's body had been kept frozen and then taken inside the boot of the car we had rented seven weeks later."

If that quote is precise then the bit I've bolded is a bit strange - it's not saying untrue, a lie, or ridiculous, but simply exaggerated.

SuspiciousMinds wrote:

Hicks wrote:

canada12 wrote:

Miraflores wrote:

"There are people who say that they were seen entering an apartment block near the cemetery in Praia da Luz. At that point in time we weren’t able to detect which apartment they entered, who lived there, because it’s also a bit complicated because you have to understand it’s a tourist area and often it’s not known who the apartment belongs to."

This could explain why they needed the drunk to escort home. Do the dates match? It probably doesn't matter, because confusion is good.

And as Kate said in her diary "We've all been there." Was she referring to Madeleine?

The date was 19th June. This date must be significant. GM flew back home to the UK on the 19th. During the flight he administers first aid to an 80 year old man, who has never been named. Upon landing he gets his wallet stolen. No record of theft reported to the police. Cancels credit cards.

20th June GM has a series of meetings in Leicester. He flies back to Portugal in the evening where he is met by Kate at the airport. Kate was not a named driver so either she drove without being covered, or someone else drove, though Kate does not mention who that might have been.
On the way back, 'just before they reach the apartment, they encounter a drunk on the road who 'recognises them'. GM walks him home. Umm a lot happened in those two days.

What might we consider to be the real purposes of the stories above?

Was something passed between the man on the plane and GM? Then maybe that 'something' was passed again by way of the lost wallet to a third party? This wallet return via friends.....incredible! 

 Was the drunken man story a cover just in case anyone had seen GM enter an apartment with a man who, 'knew them'?

I have no idea if this is relevant, but at the trial the other day Kate wrongly said they hired the car seven weeks after Madeleine's disappearance. Seven weeks afterwards was 21st June - that ties in rather well with your dates. Was it a Freudian slip?

QUOTE:
"He gave several interviews but I do recall one in particular which was exaggerated. Where he said that Madeleine's body had been kept frozen and then taken inside the boot of the car we had rented seven weeks later."

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2014/07/palacio-de-justica-8th-of-july-2014.html


Now stick a comma in, and watch the meaning of that sentence change...

"He gave several interviews but I do recall one in particular which was exaggerated. Where he said that Madeleine's body had been kept frozen and then taken inside the boot of the car we had rented, seven weeks later."

She didn't mean they RENTED THE CAR seven weeks later - she meant they PUT THE BODY IN THE CAR seven weeks later!

(Goncalo Amaral would not have been able to state with any certainty that it was seven weeks later that they moved the body, so surely she could not have been quoting him when she said that?)


(Just theorising - don't sue me!)