OPERATION GRANGE & SMITHMAN REMOVED FROM MCCANN WORLD

by Sceptic 09.07.14 16:15

Apologies if this has already been reported/highlighted

but there appears to be no reference, contact details for operation grange or smithman on either findmadeleine.com or their official find madeleine campaign facebook page

by noddy100 09.07.14 16:34

There is when I just looked

by **PeterMac** 09.07.14 18:19

All still there
Smith-people, both of them
Tannerman, Spottyman, Beckham woman
So no change
McCanns and Mitchell still calling DCI Redwood a LIAR

by Guest 09.07.14 19:28

PeterMac wrote:All still there
Smith-people, both of them
Tannerman, Spottyman, Beckham woman
So no change
McCanns and Mitchell still calling DCI Redwood a LIAR

***
IMO a rather desperate and dangerous position to take ...

by **PeterMac** 09.07.14 23:13

Châtelaine wrote:
PeterMac wrote:All still there
Smith-people, both of them
Tannerman, Spottyman, Beckham woman
So no change
McCanns and Mitchell still calling DCI Redwood a LIAR
***
IMO a rather desperate and dangerous position to take ...

But what choice do they have ?
Dogs - Notoriously unreliable.
SIO - Notoriously unreliable - though our spokes-creature-slime-monster- thing has suggested we keep saying we have confidence . /. .
PJ - notoriously unreliable, Just look at Dr Amaral and his team who convicted a woman for killing and chopping up the body . . . (Oh,Bug***** !)

They are trapped. They have no other way out.
As has been said before they could have adopted the sympathy vote, the could have been appalled at the revelation that the dogs had alerted, they could have been distressed beyond measure at X, Y and Z.
But they have not
They have adopted the ludicrous Rolf Harris position. We are right. Everyone else is a LIAR.
From which there is no Mitigation.
They are condemned by their arrogance.

Their lawyers will bear a heavy burden, - (which will be mitigated only by the size of the fee)

by ultimaThule 09.07.14 23:52

900,000 ~~pieces of silver~~ guineas plus disbursements per defendant should go some way to mitigate the onerous burden of representing an infamous couple at a 'trial of the century', PeterM, but keeping a straight face while maintaining the clients' innocence is going to require a lot of advance preparation ~~in front of a mirror~~.

by jeanmonroe 10.07.14 3:13

So, 'crime of the century' followed by 'trial of the century'?

by **Hobs** 11.07.14 1:37

Tilly-flop wrote:Posted an hour ago on the OFM Facebook page -

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Why do we continue?
There is absolutely nothing to suggest that Madeleine has been harmed.
Madeleine is still missing and someone needs to be looking for her.
She is young and vulnerable and needs our help.
We love her dearly and miss her beyond words.

We still need your help in finding Madeleine. Thank you for continuing to stand by our side and most of all, for caring so much about Madeleine.

~FM Webmaster

Another open mouth insert feet moment brought to you by the mccanns's the parents who just keep giving.

Why do we continue?
Who is the questioned aimed at?
The public or, themselves?

There is absolutely nothing to suggest that Madeleine has been harmed.
On first reading it sounds like a strong statement.however, it isn't.
Qualifiers are words that when removed do not change the meaning of the sentence.
Here we have the addition of the word absolutely which weakens the statement.
A strong statement would be: There is no evidence to suggest Madeleine has been harmed.
Qualifiers weaken the meaning of the sentence.
We know the statement is untrue since we have the reactions of both blood and cadaver dogs, we have body fluids and we also have the fact that Maddie is missing.
What we don't have is evidence of an abduction such as finger, ear or footprints, skin or hair or fibres, DNA from someone unknown to the group.

If a Missing child isn't evidence of harm, then what is their definition of harm?
There is evidence that Maddie has come to harm, unfortunately said evidence indicates a dead Maddie not an abducted live Maddie.

Madeleine is still missing and someone needs to be looking for her.
Notice they say someone needs to be looking for her and not the expected WE need to be looking for her or the stronger yet WE ARE STILL LOOKING FOR HER.
Clearly the someone doesn't include her family, the tapas 7 or their friends in general.
Why the need to distance themselves from looking for their child?
This is unexpecte in innocent parents and a red flag.

She is young and vulnerable and needs our help.
Yes she is but apparantly our help doesn't include her parents actively searching for her from the moment she went missing.

We love her dearly and miss her beyond words.
Not dearly enough to actually go out actively searching for her from the get go.
Not dearly enough for kate to answer the 47 questions.
Not dearly enough to go back and do a police reconstruction then or now.
Not dearly enough to assist the police rather than suing the ex lead detective who actively searched for her and spent many hours, days and weeks trying to find her or those who harmed her.
They love her dearly for the money she brought in.

We still need your help in finding Madeleine.
Why?
When you had the chance to keep the case open you refused to demand it be kept open.
You hired people who were skilled in money laundering and who were involved in drugs, you hired con artists and bumbling ex coppers who had no idea how to run a basic missing persons case.
You hired anyone except those who were expert in finding missing persons.
You have never looked for your daughter, instead preferring to sit round the pool making merry or going jogging or on world trips, visitng places where Maddie was not sighted and ignoring those possible places where she might have been.
You sat on e-fits for several years because the e-fits looked just like gerry.
You spent only a tiny proportion of the funds on actual searching , with the vast majority going on the mortgage, legal fees ( really? If you are innocent why the need for lawyers?) travelling round the world and suing anyone who disagreed with your version of events.
What you should have said is "WE STILL NEED YOUR HELP TO KEEP US IN THE STYLE TO WHICH WE HAVE BECOME ACCUSTOMED"

Thank you for continuing to stand by our side and most of all, for caring so much about Madeleine.
In statement analysis, order is important.
It tells us what the subject considers as their priority.
here we have their priority as standing by their side supportuing them followed by caring so much about Madeleine.
They tell us most of all for caring about Madeleine yet put caring about her behind standing by the mccanns side.

What is missing from all their statements and press releases are messages to maddie telling them we are searching for her and to be brave and strong, we will find her.

Instead all the talk is about them, how they feel, how victimized they feel when pulled up on the language and behavior.
It is all about them rather than about their daughter.

They don't talk to Maddie or reassure her because they know she is dead.
They themselves have told us she is long dead.
They don't talk to her because they know she will never see or hear or read it.
Corpses are beyond the reach of communication.

by Okeydokey 12.07.14 22:16

"What is missing from all their statements and press releases are messages to maddie telling them we are searching for her and to be brave and strong, we will find her." "

Yes, this is a key, tell tale sign, the lack of direct communication. Presumably because that is a "bridge too far" for the McCanns, one their internal psyches finds too difficult to negotiate.

Hobs wrote:
Tilly-flop wrote:Posted an hour ago on the OFM Facebook page -

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Why do we continue?
There is absolutely nothing to suggest that Madeleine has been harmed.
Madeleine is still missing and someone needs to be looking for her.
She is young and vulnerable and needs our help.
We love her dearly and miss her beyond words.

We still need your help in finding Madeleine. Thank you for continuing to stand by our side and most of all, for caring so much about Madeleine.

~FM Webmaster
Another open mouth insert feet moment brought to you by the mccanns's the parents who just keep giving.

Why do we continue?
Who is the questioned aimed at?
The public or, themselves?

There is absolutely nothing to suggest that Madeleine has been harmed.
On first reading it sounds like a strong statement.however, it isn't.
Qualifiers are words that when removed do not change the meaning of the sentence.
Here we have the addition of the word absolutely which weakens the statement.
A strong statement would be: There is no evidence to suggest Madeleine has been harmed.
Qualifiers weaken the meaning of the sentence.
We know the statement is untrue since we have the reactions of both blood and cadaver dogs, we have body fluids and we also have the fact that Maddie is missing.
What we don't have is evidence of an abduction such as finger, ear or footprints, skin or hair or fibres, DNA from someone unknown to the group.

If a Missing child isn't evidence of harm, then what is their definition of harm?
There is evidence that Maddie has come to harm, unfortunately said evidence indicates a dead Maddie not an abducted live Maddie.

Madeleine is still missing and someone needs to be looking for her.
Notice they say someone needs to be looking for her and not the expected WE need to be looking for her or the stronger yet WE ARE STILL LOOKING FOR HER.
Clearly the someone doesn't include her family, the tapas 7 or their friends in general.
Why the need to distance themselves from looking for their child?
This is unexpecte in innocent parents and a red flag.

She is young and vulnerable and needs our help.
Yes she is but apparantly our help doesn't include her parents actively searching for her from the moment she went missing.

We love her dearly and miss her beyond words.
Not dearly enough to actually go out actively searching for her from the get go.
Not dearly enough for kate to answer the 47 questions.
Not dearly enough to go back and do a police reconstruction then or now.
Not dearly enough to assist the police rather than suing the ex lead detective who actively searched for her and spent many hours, days and weeks trying to find her or those who harmed her.
They love her dearly for the money she brought in.

We still need your help in finding Madeleine.
Why?
When you had the chance to keep the case open you refused to demand it be kept open.
You hired people who were skilled in money laundering and who were involved in drugs, you hired con artists and bumbling ex coppers who had no idea how to run a basic missing persons case.
You hired anyone except those who were expert in finding missing persons.
You have never looked for your daughter, instead preferring to sit round the pool making merry or going jogging or on world trips, visitng places where Maddie was not sighted and ignoring those possible places where she might have been.
You sat on e-fits for several years because the e-fits looked just like gerry.
You spent only a tiny proportion of the funds on actual searching , with the vast majority going on the mortgage, legal fees ( really? If you are innocent why the need for lawyers?) travelling round the world and suing anyone who disagreed with your version of events.
What you should have said is "WE STILL NEED YOUR HELP TO KEEP US IN THE STYLE TO WHICH WE HAVE BECOME ACCUSTOMED"

Thank you for continuing to stand by our side and most of all, for caring so much about Madeleine.
In statement analysis, order is important.
It tells us what the subject considers as their priority.
here we have their priority as standing by their side supportuing them followed by caring so much about Madeleine.
They tell us most of all for caring about Madeleine yet put caring about her behind standing by the mccanns side.

What is missing from all their statements and press releases are messages to maddie telling them we are searching for her and to be brave and strong, we will find her.

Instead all the talk is about them, how they feel, how victimized they feel when pulled up on the language and behavior.
It is all about them rather than about their daughter.

They don't talk to Maddie or reassure her because they know she is dead.
They themselves have told us she is long dead.
They don't talk to her because they know she will never see or hear or read it.
Corpses are beyond the reach of communication.

by **Tony Bennett** 12.07.14 22:41

The title of this thread must be the most inaccurate one ever in the history of CMOMM.

Not only have the McCanns actively promoted the 'Smithman' sighting since 2009 (Mockumentary, website, book etc/), if you go on to the Find Madeleine site, just as PeterMac noted, the two Redwood e-fits stare out at you as soon as you click on their link!

@ Admin, clearly the title is misleading and ought to be changed.

I would resepctfully suggest as an alternative:

SMITHMAN PROMOTED BY THE MCCANNS SINCE 2009, PROMOTED AGAIN BY REDWOOD ON CRIMEWATCH, AND NOW ON THE HOME PAGE OF THE MCCANNS' WEBSITE

by Guest 12.07.14 22:54

Hmm very funny Tony, smilie

the title reflects the question the poster asked and started the thread with, as do all the threads. Otherwise we would have to change every thread title because they often descend it chatter about different parts and aspects of the case.

As the question has been answered I will lock this thread to save another pursefight