Re: CRIMEWATCH ON BBC ***Part 1 DISCUSSION****

by Guest 16.10.13 0:34

sami wrote:
Woofer wrote:If SY have spoken to the Smiths I hope the Smiths told how they were harrassed by the Kennedy windows man and also Metodo 3
Smith told the Irish police about the visit in his statement.

I bet Mr Smith is wondering why his photo-fits weren't ever used. It's an odd one, why shell out money for them and not use them?

by Woofer 16.10.13 0:35

sami wrote:
Woofer wrote:If SY have spoken to the Smiths I hope the Smiths told how they were harrassed by the Kennedy windows man and also Metodo 3
Smith told the Irish police about the visit in his statement.

Jolly good - they must be aware then.

by PeeWit 16.10.13 0:36

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Darkened room here I come after reading this.

Just read it NFWTD and agree entirely...well they do say ignorance is bliss!

by Woofer 16.10.13 0:40

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Darkened room here I come after reading this.

I think I'll leave that 'til tomorrow else I won't sleep.

by sami 16.10.13 0:41

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Darkened room here I come after reading this.

What a muppet. Typical happy clappy mumsy rubbish. On the one hand you have that brigade then the other brigade asking "could my child be abducted from my kitchen if I go to the toilet alone".

by sami 16.10.13 0:50

candyfloss wrote:
sami wrote:
Woofer wrote:If SY have spoken to the Smiths I hope the Smiths told how they were harrassed by the Kennedy windows man and also Metodo 3
Smith told the Irish police about the visit in his statement.
I bet Mr Smith is wondering why his photo-fits weren't ever used. It's an odd one, why shell out money for them and not use them?

There is something not right about this, IMO. Smith said he had been asked to do an e-fit during the visit but had declined.

It would seem therefore he did them eventually, if what we know now is true.

Why would McCann PIs ask a man who they must have known had clearly suggested their client to be the man they saw to do an e-fit of him? Below is 30 jan 2008, a cover letter by Irish police.

Detective Branch
Drogheda
County Lough

Re – Investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann

I took an additional statement from Mr Smith as requested. His wife does not want to make another statement. I showed him the video clip and he stated that it was not the clip that alerted him but the BBC news at 10 PM on 9th September 2007.

He has been contacted by numerous tabloid press looking for stories. He has been contacted by Mr Brian Kennedy who is supporting the McCann family to take part in a photo fit exercise. He has given no stories or helped in any photo fits. He sent a solicitor’s letter to six papers in relation material that was printed that was misquoted. The Evening Herald paid his solicitor's fees and all papers printed an apology. His photograph appeared in another tabloid paper and this matter is being pursued at the moment.

I do not believe that Martin Smith is courting the press and my view his is a genuine person. He is known locally and is a very decent person.

Forwarded please

Sergeant

L*** H****

by MoonGoddess 16.10.13 0:53

sami wrote:
candyfloss wrote:
sami wrote:
Woofer wrote:If SY have spoken to the Smiths I hope the Smiths told how they were harrassed by the Kennedy windows man and also Metodo 3
Smith told the Irish police about the visit in his statement.
I bet Mr Smith is wondering why his photo-fits weren't ever used. It's an odd one, why shell out money for them and not use them?
There is something not right about this, IMO. Smith said he had been asked to do an e-fit during the visit but had declined.

It would seem therefore he did them eventually, if what we know now is true.

Why would McCann PIs ask a man who they must have known had clearly suggested their client to be the man they saw to do an e-fit of him? Below is 30 jan 2008, a cover letter by Irish police.

Detective Branch
Drogheda
County Lough

Re – Investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann

I took an additional statement from Mr Smith as requested. His wife does not want to make another statement. I showed him the video clip and he stated that it was not the clip that alerted him but the BBC news at 10 PM on 9th September 2007.

He has been contacted by numerous tabloid press looking for stories. He has been contacted by Mr Brian Kennedy who is supporting the McCann family to take part in a photo fit exercise. He has given no stories or helped in any photo fits. He sent a solicitor’s letter to six papers in relation material that was printed that was misquoted. The Evening Herald paid his solicitor's fees and all papers printed an apology. His photograph appeared in another tabloid paper and this matter is being pursued at the moment.

I do not believe that Martin Smith is courting the press and my view his is a genuine person. He is known locally and is a very decent person.

Forwarded please

Sergeant

L*** H****

I just asked that in another thread..... I am confused about that too.... surely Mr Smith would have been to wary to do it for anyone working for the guy he'd nailed?

by ChuckieD 16.10.13 1:43

PeeWit wrote:
sami wrote:
Woofer wrote:If SY have spoken to the Smiths I hope the Smiths told how they were harrassed by the Kennedy windows man and also Metodo 3
Smith told the Irish police about the visit in his statement.
IMO, the only thing that's needed now is for one of the Nationals to print the Smith's statements on its front page......endgame!!
The only problem I see with this is that the Smiths will be caught in the middle of a national, nay international media frenzy, and I'm sure they do not deserve this!

They really don't. I'm sure there was a huge amount of reluctance wondering how much it would blow up, do we want to get involved, it's taken over 6 years for it to blow so can't imagine the impact now.

by Cristobell 16.10.13 2:01

I wonder if the e-fits were commissioned by the PJ around the time they were trying to organise the reconstruction? It seems to me the one who took over from Goncalo Amaral (can't think of his name, doh!) reached the same stage as GA had, and in fact, the same stage as SY have reached now? I just can't see the mccanns using Fund money to have e-fits drawn up that they were never going to use. I suspect the e-fits were probably in the PJ files and available to the mccanns, and all their private investigators 5.5 years ago.

by lj 16.10.13 2:34

candyfloss wrote:Read it and Weep

by Dr Martin Roberts

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OMG that photo from Andy!! I haven't read a word yet, but you all have to go there a take a look at the photo. I think it says all.

by **tigger** 16.10.13 6:57

Well, the reconstruction was made 6 months ago.

When we saw them in May looking for the first time in six years truly distressed - was that because they'd been told that Gerry's. solid gold alibi had been ditched ?

by aiyoyo 16.10.13 7:05

lj wrote:
candyfloss wrote:Read it and Weep

by Dr Martin Roberts

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OMG that photo from Andy!! I haven't read a word yet, but you all have to go there a take a look at the photo. I think it says all.

No OMG moment for me!
E-fit's man ears are completely different from GM.
Nope, I don't think the E-fit is anything like GM despite whoever efforts at morphing.

by Guest 16.10.13 7:07

lj wrote:
candyfloss wrote:Read it and Weep

by Dr Martin Roberts

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OMG that photo from Andy!! I haven't read a word yet, but you all have to go there a take a look at the photo. I think it says all.

Do you mean this one?

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by Me 16.10.13 7:19

Here's something i posted on another forum but i think it's worth reposting on here in relation to Tanner's sighting and Redwood's elimination of him from the enquiry.

Initially i couldn't understand the vagueness in Redwood's "might have been him" coupled with the certainty with which he had eliminated him from the inquiry despite the fact that his route should have taken him the other way from where Jane said she saw bundleman.

Also added to that are the nagging doubts about Tanner's sighting, what with Gerry & Jez not seeing her nor this man and the incorrect positioning on the street etc.

Having thought about it the only conclusion i can draw which makes sense of all these variables is that Tanner did in fact see this man at some point during the night but not at her 9:10 check and not going across the top of the road then in that direction.

She was going backwards and forwards during the night to the apartment so I'm now reasonably certain she did see this man, but i don't believe at that time, nor walking in that direction.

Perhaps SY have also spoken with Jane and she "mis-remembered" in her previous statements and was given an opportunity to correct her previous statements.

It's the only conclusion i can draw from these disparate and random elements.

by sami 16.10.13 7:43

admin wrote:
lj wrote:
candyfloss wrote:Read it and Weep

by Dr Martin Roberts

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OMG that photo from Andy!! I haven't read a word yet, but you all have to go there a take a look at the photo. I think it says all.
Do you mean this one?

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That's his revelation moment. Even he is amazed he is about to say bundle man is no more.

by SixMillionQuid 16.10.13 7:49

Me wrote:Here's something i posted on another forum but i think it's worth reposting on here in relation to Tanner's sighting and Redwood's elimination of him from the enquiry.

Initially i couldn't understand the vagueness in Redwood's "might have been him" coupled with the certainty with which he had eliminated him from the inquiry despite the fact that his route should have taken him the other way from where Jane said she saw bundleman.

Also added to that are the nagging doubts about Tanner's sighting, what with Gerry & Jez not seeing her nor this man and the incorrect positioning on the street etc.

Having thought about it the only conclusion i can draw which makes sense of all these variables is that Tanner did in fact see this man at some point during the night but not at her 9:10 check and not going across the top of the road then in that direction.

She was going backwards and forwards during the night to the apartment so I'm now reasonably certain she did see this man, but i don't believe at that time, nor walking in that direction.

Perhaps SY have also spoken with Jane and she "mis-remembered" in her previous statements and was given an opportunity to correct her previous statements.

It's the only conclusion i can draw from these disparate and random elements.

If this is true then:

1. She's lied about where and she saw this man, if at all.
2. If 1. is true then why haven't the Portuguese authorities been notified her change of mind?
3. Has Redwood or his team spoken to Tanner about this man (before the Crimewatch appeal) and has she confirmed whether or not this was the man she saw. If not why not?
4. This is further proof that she was never a credible witness.

by ultimaThule 16.10.13 7:54

Gosh and golly - Andy's taken his poker face off and doesn't he look better for it? yes

In that photo he looks for all the world like a man who knows he's got it in the bag - job done and chummy, or chummies, will soon be where they belong. big grin

by Cheshire Cat 16.10.13 8:00

MoonGoddess wrote:
sami wrote:
candyfloss wrote:
sami wrote:
Woofer wrote:If SY have spoken to the Smiths I hope the Smiths told how they were harrassed by the Kennedy windows man and also Metodo 3
Smith told the Irish police about the visit in his statement.
I bet Mr Smith is wondering why his photo-fits weren't ever used. It's an odd one, why shell out money for them and not use them?
There is something not right about this, IMO. Smith said he had been asked to do an e-fit during the visit but had declined.

It would seem therefore he did them eventually, if what we know now is true.

Why would McCann PIs ask a man who they must have known had clearly suggested their client to be the man they saw to do an e-fit of him? Below is 30 jan 2008, a cover letter by Irish police.

Detective Branch
Drogheda
County Lough

Re – Investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann

I took an additional statement from Mr Smith as requested. His wife does not want to make another statement. I showed him the video clip and he stated that it was not the clip that alerted him but the BBC news at 10 PM on 9th September 2007.

He has been contacted by numerous tabloid press looking for stories. He has been contacted by Mr Brian Kennedy who is supporting the McCann family to take part in a photo fit exercise. He has given no stories or helped in any photo fits. He sent a solicitor’s letter to six papers in relation material that was printed that was misquoted. The Evening Herald paid his solicitor's fees and all papers printed an apology. His photograph appeared in another tabloid paper and this matter is being pursued at the moment.

I do not believe that Martin Smith is courting the press and my view his is a genuine person. He is known locally and is a very decent person.

Forwarded please

Sergeant

L*** H****
I just asked that in another thread..... I am confused about that too.... surely Mr Smith would have been to wary to do it for anyone working for the guy he'd nailed?

It is possible that the e-fits were drawn up based on the original statements from the Smith family. Sounds unlikely that they would have met with Kennedy and Co. Amaral has said the man Smith saw might have been McCann but it was to be checked out when he was moved off of the case. Interesting that Mr Smith has not changed his view at all.
I will not be surprised if Smith man is discounted in the same way as Tanner man (also Pat Browns view) in order to 'clear' Gerry.

by ProfessorPPlum 16.10.13 8:23

ultimaThule wrote:Gosh and golly - Andy's taken his poker face off and doesn't he look better for it?

In that photo he looks for all the world like a man who knows he's got it in the bag - job done and chummy, or chummies, will soon be where they belong.

Mmmm. I wouldn't ascribe too much to a momentary screenshot. In any 5 second clip there are *plenty* of hideous and embarrasing micro-moments to pull out to make anyone look evil / sweet / surprised / dead / intelligent tongue

by Pennypennypenny 16.10.13 8:26

I don't think the e fits look anything like Gerry.

by russiandoll 16.10.13 8:28

A polite request to forum members. I might have made a misjudgement in the early hours when I was awake and came here to read. I posted a very long piece from the Mirror re Martin Smith and meant to trim it down but forgot, making this thread even longer.

As it runs to so many pages, can I suggest that if anyone is going to make a 1- line comment on a lengthy post, they only copy the relevant part to comment on, or if it is a general comment about the piece as a whole, make a brief ref to the title and poster, rather than do what I have seen this morning......press the quote button so that there is almost a page of unnecessary text before a one line reply?

Suggesting this because there are so many people posting so much just now, I do not mean to be rude. Sorry for my part in making a lot of reading, I think the last half of my post had been seen in other media reports, dealing with SY and CW.

by sami 16.10.13 8:30

Cheshire Cat wrote:
MoonGoddess wrote:
sami wrote:
candyfloss wrote:
sami wrote:
Woofer wrote:If SY have spoken to the Smiths I hope the Smiths told how they were harrassed by the Kennedy windows man and also Metodo 3
Smith told the Irish police about the visit in his statement.
I bet Mr Smith is wondering why his photo-fits weren't ever used. It's an odd one, why shell out money for them and not use them?
There is something not right about this, IMO. Smith said he had been asked to do an e-fit during the visit but had declined.

It would seem therefore he did them eventually, if what we know now is true.

Why would McCann PIs ask a man who they must have known had clearly suggested their client to be the man they saw to do an e-fit of him? Below is 30 jan 2008, a cover letter by Irish police.

Detective Branch
Drogheda
County Lough

Re – Investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann

I took an additional statement from Mr Smith as requested. His wife does not want to make another statement. I showed him the video clip and he stated that it was not the clip that alerted him but the BBC news at 10 PM on 9th September 2007.

He has been contacted by numerous tabloid press looking for stories. He has been contacted by Mr Brian Kennedy who is supporting the McCann family to take part in a photo fit exercise. He has given no stories or helped in any photo fits. He sent a solicitor’s letter to six papers in relation material that was printed that was misquoted. The Evening Herald paid his solicitor's fees and all papers printed an apology. His photograph appeared in another tabloid paper and this matter is being pursued at the moment.

I do not believe that Martin Smith is courting the press and my view his is a genuine person. He is known locally and is a very decent person.

Forwarded please

Sergeant

L*** H****
I just asked that in another thread..... I am confused about that too.... surely Mr Smith would have been to wary to do it for anyone working for the guy he'd nailed?
It is possible that the e-fits were drawn up based on the original statements from the Smith family. Sounds unlikely that they would have met with Kennedy and Co. Amaral has said the man Smith saw might have been McCann but it was to be checked out when he was moved off of the case. Interesting that Mr Smith has not changed his view at all.
I will not be surprised if Smith man is discounted in the same way as Tanner man (also Pat Browns view) in order to 'clear' Gerry.

If Smith is discounted to clear Gerry and bundleman is now gone, where then is there any indication of an abduction ? If smith man is found and let us say he was another lost night crèche user, now all we have is a missing child, EVRD's evidence and the parents word. No dubious sightings, nothing.

So the only outcome is that smith man is THE man and he is named and now dead. Unless they produce Madeleine along with this ending, I don't think it's final enough, a dangerous move, IMO.

by sami 16.10.13 8:33

Russiandoll, I am sorry, I did not see your post before I quoted the long passage

by russiandoll 16.10.13 8:33

aiyoyo wrote:
lj wrote:
candyfloss wrote:Read it and Weep

by Dr Martin Roberts

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OMG that photo from Andy!! I haven't read a word yet, but you all have to go there a take a look at the photo. I think it says all.
No OMG moment for me!
E-fit's man ears are completely different from GM.
Nope, I don't think the E-fit is anything like GM despite whoever efforts at morphing.

It was dark and depending where Smith was in relation to the man, the ears might not have been anything that stood out for him [ forgive the pun!]

If Smith was looking at the child's eyes, hair and face [ which we know he did from his statement ] he would not have registered that part of the man's face imo which would have been close to the left hand side of the carrier's head. I think the ears would be what he was least likely to recall. just imo.

by tiny 16.10.13 8:37

did sy give out what this person was wearing,re Smiths sighting as Aoife Smith said this in her statement.

The trousers he was wearing were smooth straight-legged trousers, light beige in colour, of a cotton type material, thicker than linen, possibly with buttons and without any patterns.

now haven't we all seen a pic of Gerry McCann wearing a pair of trousers like this.