Re: CRIMEWATCH ON BBC ***Part 1 DISCUSSION****

by jeanmonroe 16.10.13 14:16

candyfloss wrote:Jeanmonroe I have merged your post with this thread. I did mention earlier too many threads are being started, more or less on the same subject which is to do with Crimewatch.

OK.

by chillyheat 16.10.13 14:19

If he was picking his child up from the night crèche, wouldn't he be on the guest list ?
Did you have to be a guest at the hotel to use the crèche ?

by jozi 16.10.13 14:26

SixMillionQuid wrote:
candyfloss wrote:
SixMillionQuid wrote:
candyfloss wrote:The McCanns claim to have released the video SixMillionQuid

Welcome to the forum.
They did!? When was that?

Did Kate take credit for it in her book?
From BBC article......

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6698737.stm

New video of Madeleine released

Madeleine was said to be looking forward to the holiday

The parents of Madeleine McCann have released the last video clips taken of their daughter before her disappearance in Portugal nearly four weeks ago.
Dressed in pink and holding a rucksack, the four-year-old can be seen walking onto a flight at East Midlands Airport.

The mobile phone footage also shows her on an airport bus in the Algarve.
Thanks, I remember the Youtube video appearing around this time.

Think about this...

Why would the Mcs release this phone footage showing him to say " He is not here to enjoy himself..or words to that effect " ???

I also suspect that Mr Smiths statement could be a red herring too........

Confusion is good !!!

by sallypelt 16.10.13 14:36

I don't know if this has been posted, but "another sighting" after Dutch Appeal

http://news.sky.com/story/1155298/madeleine-mccann-150-calls-after-dutch-appeal

Just to let you all know, that around 7:30 on Monday night, while I was biting my nails, waiting for Crimewatch, some scumbag thug/s decided to steal some cables from the telephone exchange. As I live in an isolated area, I rely on the telephone line for my landline and broadband. It wasn't until this morning that the damage was repaired. So I haven't had access to the internet until today. I watched Crimewatch for all of 10 minutes, then turned to another channel. My sanity wouldn't allow me to watch it without having the forum to vent my anger.

However, I have since watched Crimewatch, once my blood pressure returned from a life-threatening high, and I am now or the same opinion at PeterMac, and that is, the McCann's have been led into a trap from which there is no escape. It's not so much what the programme said, as what it didn't say. I haven't had time to go over the last 2 days postings on here, but has it been discussed the way they had the McCann's to talk directly into the camera? Then on their live "appeal" there were side views of them? How clever. Analysts will have a field day on these takes. Also, didn't MO (or was it R O) say that he didn't see Madeleine's bed because "it was behind the door"? But the fact is that the door opened to the right, and therefore, MM's bed could be seen from the doorway?

There were so much to analyse in the CW programme that it will take me a few days to go through it over and over.

by russiandoll 16.10.13 14:37

a similar programme shown in Norway acc to Sky news.

sallypelt...we saw a plan of 5a on CW. M bed where expected to see it, the recon had the place wrong, apartment used not on same corner, Mcs went a different direction to go down steps to tapas.

MO check binned as prob decided it never happened. He would definitely not have seen Ms bed unless he looked in room to his left.
[ unless M was in a different room or apartment.].. his check all fitted in with JT sighting and lighting, timing and other crap.

eta I noticed and said so elsewhere that although Mcs left 5a shutters up [ curtains and patio door closed] as camera panned during meal shutters were down. this was my error....I was looking where I expected 5a to be and that was not the apartment location for the recon.

by jeanmonroe 16.10.13 14:41

How many 'experts' in the last few days have now called on the PJ to re-open the case?

DCI Redwood.
MWT.
The McCanns.(supposedly)
A few ex-coppers.
The 'friends' of the McCanns? big grin

GA?

Hope they get their WISH, don't you?

by Guest 16.10.13 14:42

ChillyHeat wrote:If he was picking his child up from the night crèche, wouldn't he be on the guest list ?
Did you have to be a guest at the hotel to use the crèche ?

ChillyHeat have merged your thread with this one, as all on the crimewatch programme.

by Mirage 16.10.13 14:46

jeanmonroe:
"Everything i have seen reported on the BBC has, imo, been 'one sided tone, biased, partial and un-balanced and only ONE side has been allowed to express their view'

As i said, are the Mcs the new JS at the BBC?"

Spot on jeanmonroe.

I am constantly amazed that this stuff is going on against the backdrop of Savile. I guess the chattering classes all think there's safety in numbers. A bit like the T9 pact used to think.

I guess we'll see more and more empty seats around the tapas table during reconstructions as time goes on .....Voice over:- "We want the audience at home to imagine the scene here on the night of the 3rd May 2007, (Camera zooms in on nine empty chairs) err... couples seated around this table enjoying an ~~uninterrupted~~ evening meal ......

by russiandoll 16.10.13 15:00

sixmillionquid.... my answer re why CW. SY need evidence.

by MoonGoddess 16.10.13 15:13

@sallypelt... gee I sympathise with you.... I was without my Broadband for a week recently... quite scary how irate that made me! nice to see you back :)

by MoonGoddess 16.10.13 16:08

@Angelique :) I don't think the Villa the Mr Amaral was referring to was the same as in this link:-

http://www.sundayexpress.co.uk/posts/view/103035/Madeleine-The-missed-clues-at-1m-villa

I read through the posts on that other forum you linked, and the photographs do not show it's "own swimming pool", Also going by the photographs on the other forum, I'd be astonished if that was worth a million pound!

by Ayniia 16.10.13 16:14

So I was reading this topic...
https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t2793-what-was-so-special-about-burgau?highlight=burgau

ROSA wrote:
It appears that in two statements (presumably made to Mr Cowley) JW was not sure whether she had seen “a suspect male ambling along” from a position in her apartment, from another apartment , tennis courts, pool or from the road. The information is further confused in the Channel 4 program because it implies that on two occasions, while she was walking in the street, JW saw “Pimple Man” standing watching Apartment 5A and not “ambling along”. Also the screenshot suggests a sighting by “JW” on 30^th April 2007. This did not feature in the Channel 4 program.
Light was thrown on the identity of “JW” in an article in the Sun on 12^th May 2009 by Antonella Lazzeri (another McCann close confidante) who stated:

She is a 36 year old mother of two: one a 3 year old girl
She rented an apartment 3 doors away from Apartment 5A
She reported her suspicions to her local police – in Wiltshire – in May 2007
Analysis of the Ocean Club Booking records indicates that “JW” may be Mrs J Weinburger, who travelled to Faro from Belfast on 28^th April 2007, and stayed in Apartment “G4” (ie 3 doors away from the McCanns) in Waterside Gardens for seven days with her husband “P Weinburger”, a 3 year old daughter and an 11 month old infant. There is no trace of this family on the UK’s Electoral Roll, and no recorded directorships: this is fairly unusual for a British citizen unless there are security or other reasons for redaction.
However, a “Paul M Weinberger”, who works for Enigma Diagnostics Limited is now based in Porton Down, Wiltshire. This is a private company, founded in 2004 as a joint venture between the UK Government - through the top secret Defence Science and Technology Laboratory at Porton Down -and the private venture capitalists Porton Capital Technology Fund. Mr Weinberger was previously employed as Director of Business Development for Roche Diagnostics, the world’s largest diagnostic company. Mr Weinberger specialises in “in vitro diagnostics” and is a member of the Executive Committee of the “British In Vitro Diagnostics Association”.
Porton Down is an Executive Agency of the Ministry of Defence and the site is said to be one of the UK’s most sensitive secret government facilities for military research especially related to chemical, biological, radiological, and nuclear (Here we go again!) weapons.
It is not certain that Mr Weinberger, of Enigma Diagnostics, is the man who stayed at the Ocean Club in May 2007, but it looks that way. Another link between the Weinbur or Weinbergers and Wiltshire is the fact that they made dinner bookings at the Tapas Bar with Dr Julian Totman who is also from Salisbury in Wiltshire.
Miss Lazzeri reported that JW, on returning from Portugal, in May 2007, informed her local police – based in Wiltshire (and thus a link to Paul M Weinberger in Wiltshire) who advised the Leicestershire police who
“failed to follow up her lead. It was only when she received an emotional phone call from Maddie’s mum Kate nearly two years later (thus in April or May 2009 possibly to get a bit more spice for the Channel 4 program) that a photofit based on her description was put together…. When Kate asked me to help, I agreed immediately. But the police should have asked 2 years ago. It was only after Kate got in touch that the woman learnt two other witnesses saw an identical man… I can’t believe our three sightings weren’t linked earlier”
The problem is, which “JW” was not told, that the descriptions given to the PJ by the “two other witnesses” were nothing like “Pimple Man” and that their reports had been fully investigated, the suspects identified and eliminated. But failure to act on “JW’s” evidence adds to the Leicestershire Police’s record of tardiness in its delayed handing of the statements of Kate and Arul, photographs of potential suspects: not to mention a recent detailed report on the crèche records. Can any police force be that bad? Or was Leicestershire’s job simply to kill the investigation, possibly on Home Office instructions, whose political intervention – in such cases as Damian Green – are so worrying? And if “JW” attached any importance to her sighting why did she do nothing further about it for 2 years, especially when it might have qualified her for a large reward? And why did Kate McCann leave it until the last moment to call her? The bottom line is that “JW’s” “evidence” justifies very close scrutiny.

I'm thinking, may this Mr.Weinberger be the one on CW, the Jane Tanner sighting? He had a daughter of the right age....

by MoonGoddess 16.10.13 16:24

Ayniia wrote:So I was reading this topic...
https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t2793-what-was-so-special-about-burgau?highlight=burgau

ROSA wrote:
It appears that in two statements (presumably made to Mr Cowley) JW was not sure whether she had seen “a suspect male ambling along” from a position in her apartment, from another apartment , tennis courts, pool or from the road. The information is further confused in the Channel 4 program because it implies that on two occasions, while she was walking in the street, JW saw “Pimple Man” standing watching Apartment 5A and not “ambling along”. Also the screenshot suggests a sighting by “JW” on 30^th April 2007. This did not feature in the Channel 4 program.
Light was thrown on the identity of “JW” in an article in the Sun on 12^th May 2009 by Antonella Lazzeri (another McCann close confidante) who stated:

She is a 36 year old mother of two: one a 3 year old girl
She rented an apartment 3 doors away from Apartment 5A
She reported her suspicions to her local police – in Wiltshire – in May 2007
Analysis of the Ocean Club Booking records indicates that “JW” may be Mrs J Weinburger, who travelled to Faro from Belfast on 28^th April 2007, and stayed in Apartment “G4” (ie 3 doors away from the McCanns) in Waterside Gardens for seven days with her husband “P Weinburger”, a 3 year old daughter and an 11 month old infant. There is no trace of this family on the UK’s Electoral Roll, and no recorded directorships: this is fairly unusual for a British citizen unless there are security or other reasons for redaction.
However, a “Paul M Weinberger”, who works for Enigma Diagnostics Limited is now based in Porton Down, Wiltshire. This is a private company, founded in 2004 as a joint venture between the UK Government - through the top secret Defence Science and Technology Laboratory at Porton Down -and the private venture capitalists Porton Capital Technology Fund. Mr Weinberger was previously employed as Director of Business Development for Roche Diagnostics, the world’s largest diagnostic company. Mr Weinberger specialises in “in vitro diagnostics” and is a member of the Executive Committee of the “British In Vitro Diagnostics Association”.
Porton Down is an Executive Agency of the Ministry of Defence and the site is said to be one of the UK’s most sensitive secret government facilities for military research especially related to chemical, biological, radiological, and nuclear (Here we go again!) weapons.
It is not certain that Mr Weinberger, of Enigma Diagnostics, is the man who stayed at the Ocean Club in May 2007, but it looks that way. Another link between the Weinbur or Weinbergers and Wiltshire is the fact that they made dinner bookings at the Tapas Bar with Dr Julian Totman who is also from Salisbury in Wiltshire.
Miss Lazzeri reported that JW, on returning from Portugal, in May 2007, informed her local police – based in Wiltshire (and thus a link to Paul M Weinberger in Wiltshire) who advised the Leicestershire police who
“failed to follow up her lead. It was only when she received an emotional phone call from Maddie’s mum Kate nearly two years later (thus in April or May 2009 possibly to get a bit more spice for the Channel 4 program) that a photofit based on her description was put together…. When Kate asked me to help, I agreed immediately. But the police should have asked 2 years ago. It was only after Kate got in touch that the woman learnt two other witnesses saw an identical man… I can’t believe our three sightings weren’t linked earlier”
The problem is, which “JW” was not told, that the descriptions given to the PJ by the “two other witnesses” were nothing like “Pimple Man” and that their reports had been fully investigated, the suspects identified and eliminated. But failure to act on “JW’s” evidence adds to the Leicestershire Police’s record of tardiness in its delayed handing of the statements of Kate and Arul, photographs of potential suspects: not to mention a recent detailed report on the crèche records. Can any police force be that bad? Or was Leicestershire’s job simply to kill the investigation, possibly on Home Office instructions, whose political intervention – in such cases as Damian Green – are so worrying? And if “JW” attached any importance to her sighting why did she do nothing further about it for 2 years, especially when it might have qualified her for a large reward? And why did Kate McCann leave it until the last moment to call her? The bottom line is that “JW’s” “evidence” justifies very close scrutiny.
I'm thinking, may this Mr.Weinberger be the one on CW, the Jane Tanner sighting? He had a daughter of the right age....

Quite possibly, but he would still be walking towards 5a, not away from it, if he was returning from the night creche

by Ayniia 16.10.13 16:32

MoonGoddess wrote:
Ayniia wrote:So I was reading this topic...
https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t2793-what-was-so-special-about-burgau?highlight=burgau

I'm thinking, may this Mr.Weinberger be the one on CW, the Jane Tanner sighting? He had a daughter of the right age....
Quite possibly, but he would still be walking towards 5a, not away from it, if he was returning from the night creche

Yes I know but he's walking in the wrong way whoever he is...
ETA, not that I believe Jane actually saw anyone.

by Guest 16.10.13 16:47

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2461994/SARAH-VINE-Maddie-little-girl-life-risk-avoid.html#ixzz2hpsYfkZu

Darkened room here I come after reading this.

This one is even worse.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/joan-burnie-kate-gerry-mccann-2457940

Words fail me at the comparison between James Bulger's mother and the McCanns.

Just off to vacuum up all the feathers that I've spat everywhere.

by Ollie1 16.10.13 16:55

Was the picture showing Madeleine as she may look now shown on CW? I can't remember and haven't time to watch it again at the moment

by Beanie 16.10.13 17:09

I am not sure if this is the right thread to post on, and apologies if already mentioned,but on Sky News home page title:-

150 Calls After Dutch Appeal - Key events timeline on right side of page.

May 25th

Detectives release description of a man reported by Jane Tanner 3 weeks earlier AFTER PRESSURE from the McCanns, their legal team and THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT. Does anyone know if this is true?

My caps.

by Garrincha 16.10.13 17:49

(Just posted this on another thread but posting again here as this seems the most read thread)

Folks I am worried thinking about all the about the potential repercussions of what seems to be the endgame. Please keep in mind, with all this heat on, when people feel cornered they can do desperate things, and I really hope precautionary measures are in place.

And, with this in mind, perhaps people here might consider turning away from gleeful-sounding “heat is on” comments towards something more like “in many ways you have shown extraordinary strength so please try now to find the strength within you to resolve all of this for your children’s sake”

by ShuBob 16.10.13 17:59

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2461994/SARAH-VINE-Maddie-little-girl-life-risk-avoid.html#ixzz2hpsYfkZu

Darkened room here I come after reading this.

This one is even worse.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/joan-burnie-kate-gerry-mccann-2457940

Words fail me at the comparison between James Bulger's mother and the McCanns.

Just off to vacuum up all the feathers that I've spat everywhere.

Judging by the comments beneath the article, Joan's views are not supported by the vast majority of her readers. I noted she was getting slated on Twitter earlier and not by the usual suspects on the #McCann hashtag either!

by bristow 16.10.13 18:13

Love this comment on the Mail article :

"I wonder if anyone would leave £200,000 on a bed and go out for a meal."

by Daisy 16.10.13 18:20

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2461994/SARAH-VINE-Maddie-little-girl-life-risk-avoid.html#ixzz2hpsYfkZu

Darkened room here I come after reading this.

This one is even worse.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/joan-burnie-kate-gerry-mccann-2457940

Words fail me at the comparison between James Bulger's mother and the McCanns.

Just off to vacuum up all the feathers that I've spat everywhere.

Wow!

I think that DM article might have backfired on Sarah Vine though. Judging by the comments people aren't buying into her nonsense, they feel angry & insulted.

by Guest 16.10.13 19:14

She's married to Michael Gove, the Secretary of State for Education.

A truly inspiring couple.

by Praiaaa 16.10.13 19:29

Estelle wrote:This article might explain a few things such as why the names of the Paynes and Fiona's mother were not included in the Crimewatch documentary!

PJ Brought Back to Portugal 3 of the McCanns Friends in Secrecy

In a secret visit to Portugal, three persons who had dinner at the Tapas Bar shattered the McCanns and Jane Tanner versions

Fiona Payne, her mother Dianne Webster, and the husband David Payne, are the main trumps of the Public Ministry that will lead the parents of Madeleine McCann, the missing girl, on the 3rd of May of 2007, from an apartment in Praia da Luz, Algarve, to be accused of the crimes of exposition and abandonment since they left the girl alone in that critical night. It is a crime that is punishable up to ten years of prison and allows the respective preventive arrests, like 24horas announced last week.

These three witnesses returned to Portugal, on the 11th of July of 2007, in a travel paid by the Portuguese State, and were accommodated in a hotel unity of Portimão. They were still questioned by Gonçalo Amaral’s team, the superior coordinator who was removed from the case, and they contradicted the McCann’s version regarding to what went on in the night of the disappearance.

[url=http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/06/pj-brought-back-to-portugal-3-of.html]

This is extremely interesting! Fiona Payne has since forged a successful career as a private GP in Harley Street, so easy to see why she would not want her name bandied about on CW. But... if they changed their story - why was she supporting KM in the accusations about RM, and then again when KM was questioned as an arguido...?

by ShuBob 16.10.13 19:31

Praiaaa wrote:This is extremely interesting! Fiona Payne has since forged a successful career as a private GP in Harley Street, so easy to see why she would not want her name bandied about on CW. But... if they changed their story - why was she supporting KM in the accusations about RM, and then again when KM was questioned as an arguido...?

That's a different Fiona Payne!

by LastChancery 16.10.13 19:35

Hi, new here from germany.

Aktenzeichen XY... ungelöst is on TV. They are currently showing other cases. I think the McCann stuff will be shown later.

sry for my bad english Wink