Re: CRIMEWATCH ON BBC ***Part 1 DISCUSSION****

by dontbelieveaword 15.10.13 15:20

tiny wrote:
dontbelieveaword wrote:
russiandoll wrote:
tiny wrote:where was Gerry when Martin Smith saw this man with child at 10 0/c, are there any independant witness,s(not the tapas friends)
this is just the info SY want imo
So why haven't they outright asked for it?
yes I wonder why they haven't,funny that

unfortunately all it proves to me is that the parents are not on SY's radar...I can't understand how SY can take the Smith sighting so seriously yet not take Smith's follow up after he'd seen GM coming down the plane steps and that he was 60-80% convinced it was GM. How can SY only run with half the story / statement?

by russiandoll 15.10.13 15:20

Poe wrote:
russiandoll wrote:1000 people have contacted CW.
Roughly how many people were in pdl at the time?

that time of year? not that many Brits I reckon !

by russiandoll 15.10.13 15:21

dontbelieveaword wrote:
tiny wrote:
dontbelieveaword wrote:
russiandoll wrote:
tiny wrote:where was Gerry when Martin Smith saw this man with child at 10 0/c, are there any independant witness,s(not the tapas friends)
this is just the info SY want imo
So why haven't they outright asked for it?
yes I wonder why they haven't,funny that
unfortunately all it proves to me is that the parents are not on SY's radar...I can't understand how SY can take the Smith sighting so seriously yet not take Smith's follow up after he'd seen GM coming down the plane steps and that he was 60-80% convinced it was GM. How can SY only run with half the story / statement?

Do you believe SY would tell the world on CW who was in their sights?

eta I am looking at what was omitted rather than what was included !
AR said nothing, we don't know what they are doing.

by tiny 15.10.13 15:22

dontbelieveaword wrote:
tiny wrote:
dontbelieveaword wrote:
russiandoll wrote:
tiny wrote:where was Gerry when Martin Smith saw this man with child at 10 0/c, are there any independant witness,s(not the tapas friends)
this is just the info SY want imo
So why haven't they outright asked for it?
yes I wonder why they haven't,funny that
unfortunately all it proves to me is that the parents are not on SY's radar...I can't understand how SY can take the Smith sighting so seriously yet not take Smith's follow up after he'd seen GM coming down the plane steps and that he was 60-80% convinced it was GM. How can SY only run with half the story / statement?

now you know why I lean to a whitewash,what is needed here is for Martin Smith to stand tall and say he was 80% sure it was Gerry,and not let sy cut him short

by russiandoll 15.10.13 15:23

Redwood is going to Ireland . I don't think he was being dishonest when he said he wanted to work with Portugal and they sure wont cover the Mcs backsides.

imo this is all about lining up the pieces on the chessboard. it is strategy with a long term goal imo.

by Shrike 15.10.13 15:24

russiandoll wrote:
tiny wrote:
dontbelieveaword wrote:
russiandoll wrote:
tiny wrote:where was Gerry when Martin Smith saw this man with child at 10 0/c, are there any independant witness,s(not the tapas friends)
this is just the info SY want imo
So why haven't they outright asked for it?
yes I wonder why they haven't,funny that
Redwood is in Europe asking for info acc to reports.

What is he meant to say on CW....phone if you think you saw Mr McCann?

The police have said time and again they want info from holidaymakers and someone apart from Smiths might have seen the man and child.
Someone might place Gerry absent from table at a certain time.

Russiandoll - here here, the point of it all?

by tiredofthebs 15.10.13 15:24

I suppose the positive thing is that these 1000 callers are actually going to have their information reach the police. Unlike the hundreds or thousands of people who were being directed to the McCanns website or their private investigators.

Could someone, who doesn't believe the police are involved in this cover up, explain why the Leicestershire Police website was directing people to the McCann's own website for years?

by dontbelieveaword 15.10.13 15:26

russiandoll wrote:
dontbelieveaword wrote:
tiny wrote:
dontbelieveaword wrote:
russiandoll wrote:
tiny wrote:where was Gerry when Martin Smith saw this man with child at 10 0/c, are there any independant witness,s(not the tapas friends)
this is just the info SY want imo
So why haven't they outright asked for it?
yes I wonder why they haven't,funny that
unfortunately all it proves to me is that the parents are not on SY's radar...I can't understand how SY can take the Smith sighting so seriously yet not take Smith's follow up after he'd seen GM coming down the plane steps and that he was 60-80% convinced it was GM. How can SY only run with half the story / statement?
Do you believe SY would tell the world on CW who was in their sights?

eta I am looking at what was omitted rather than what was included !
AR said nothing, we don't know what they are doing.

But to be fair most of the public watching the show will only know the events as put to them - they can't be expected to unravel cryptic clues and whats not being said - CW doesn't work like that - it's always very clear about who they are looking for. I'm as gutted as you are that it seems all the evidence is being ignored in favour of teh parents. I'll never understand why?

by Guest 15.10.13 15:27

russiandoll wrote:
dontbelieveaword wrote:
tiny wrote:
dontbelieveaword wrote:
russiandoll wrote:
tiny wrote:where was Gerry when Martin Smith saw this man with child at 10 0/c, are there any independant witness,s(not the tapas friends)
this is just the info SY want imo
So why haven't they outright asked for it?
yes I wonder why they haven't,funny that
unfortunately all it proves to me is that the parents are not on SY's radar...I can't understand how SY can take the Smith sighting so seriously yet not take Smith's follow up after he'd seen GM coming down the plane steps and that he was 60-80% convinced it was GM. How can SY only run with half the story / statement?
Do you believe SY would tell the world on CW who was in their sights?

eta I am looking at what was omitted rather than what was included !
AR said nothing, we don't know what they are doing.

I've lost count of the number of times the police have appealed for "suspects" when the actual suspect is sat feet away.

I don't understand why anyone would think that the police are capable of lying to produce a whitewash but have to tell the absolute truth during an investigation.

by Seek truth 15.10.13 15:27

Just read in one paper that SMITH saw a girl IN PYJAMAS BAREFOOT! At 10pm

But everyone knows that it was Jane tanner who saw the girl in pyjamas barefoot at 9.15. Trying to confuse everyone.? The independent.

Saw in other paper, The sun, the old picture of Jane tanners mystery man with girl in pyjamas barefoot.

Confusion is good. But is it fair on Portugal, all the hard work, and putting online their statements (in other words proud of their work) and then being called the liars. READ people READ.

Well done Crimewatch.

by Shrike 15.10.13 15:28

tiny wrote:
dontbelieveaword wrote:
tiny wrote:
dontbelieveaword wrote:
russiandoll wrote:
tiny wrote:where was Gerry when Martin Smith saw this man with child at 10 0/c, are there any independant witness,s(not the tapas friends)
this is just the info SY want imo
So why haven't they outright asked for it?
yes I wonder why they haven't,funny that
unfortunately all it proves to me is that the parents are not on SY's radar...I can't understand how SY can take the Smith sighting so seriously yet not take Smith's follow up after he'd seen GM coming down the plane steps and that he was 60-80% convinced it was GM. How can SY only run with half the story / statement?
now you know why I lean to a whitewash,what is needed here is for Martin Smith to stand tall and say he was 80% sure it was Gerry,and not let sy cut him short

Hi Tiny, I'm tending to think that Redwood needs more to secure a prosecution (as guided by CPS) exactly as Russiandoll has explained and hence his sortees to germany, netherlands and ireland, countries where most of the potential witnesses could be. IMO

by russiandoll 15.10.13 15:30

am leaning to keep it simple, eliminate all the impossibilities Tanner for example

then what is left, no matter how improbable will be the truth.

by **tigger** 15.10.13 15:30

russiandoll wrote:
tiny wrote:where was Gerry when Martin Smith saw this man with child at 10 0/c, are there any independant witness,s(not the tapas friends)
this is just the info SY want imo

According to the book and the statements, Gerry was at the table and assisted Kate in having another look round 5a. He then tried the shutters from outside and according to Kate was roaring like a bull.
Just the sort of thing in an emergency....

Apart from the roaring and the curious supplication for the GNR I don't believe it.

I think he was on his way back, hurriedly changed his trousers and did none of the bleeding obvious like looking in the immediate vicinity for Maddie or phoning the police.

by jeanmonroe 15.10.13 15:31

tiredofthebs wrote:I suppose the positive thing is that these 1000 callers are actually going to have their information reach the police. Unlike the hundreds or thousands of people who were being directed to the McCanns website or their private investigators.

Could someone, who doesn't believe the police are involved in this cover up, explain why the Leicestershire Police website was directing people to the McCann's own website for years?

caller 'it looks like Gerry McCann'

LP: Stuart Prior 'fuck off!'

caller 'it looks like Gerry McCann'

SY: BHH 'fcuk off!'

by Guest 15.10.13 15:33

PAT BROWN ‏@ProfilerPatB 55s
Someone please tell me what evidence shows "hallmarks of a pre-planned abduction." Do those "hallmarks" also show a botched robbery? #McCann

by Lazyboy 15.10.13 15:33

Ok, I am new here. I watched the Amarel documentary a couple of days leading up to the latest Promo Stunt of the McCann's. Not once did they mention that there was no DNA evidence of anyone else in the apartment apart from the McCann's. The Blood found in the apartment and hire car of the McCann's wasn't mentioned either.

The whole Crimewatch thing is PERVERTING THE COURSE OF JUSTICE.

We all know who that maddie wasn't abducted.

by Seek truth 15.10.13 15:33

Poe wrote:
russiandoll wrote:
dontbelieveaword wrote:
tiny wrote:
dontbelieveaword wrote:
russiandoll wrote:
tiny wrote:where was Gerry when Martin Smith saw this man with child at 10 0/c, are there any independant witness,s(not the tapas friends)
this is just the info SY want imo
So why haven't they outright asked for it?
yes I wonder why they haven't,funny that
unfortunately all it proves to me is that the parents are not on SY's radar...I can't understand how SY can take the Smith sighting so seriously yet not take Smith's follow up after he'd seen GM coming down the plane steps and that he was 60-80% convinced it was GM. How can SY only run with half the story / statement?
Do you believe SY would tell the world on CW who was in their sights?

eta I am looking at what was omitted rather than what was included !
AR said nothing, we don't know what they are doing.
I've lost count of the number of times the police have appealed for "suspects" when the actual suspect is sat feet away.

I don't understand why anyone would think that the police are capable of lying to produce a whitewash but have to tell the absolute truth during an investigation.

If SY are doing this to trick the mccanns, and they've known all along, can you imagine the publics anger? When they find out Police made everyone search for men who didn't EXIST!

laugh

by Mélusine 15.10.13 15:34

ChillyHeat wrote:
ChillyHeat wrote:Newcomers to this case will wonder why the McCanns are not outspoken about the things in reconstructions that don't link with the given evidence....What I mean is, if it was me on the sofa and Kirsty came to interview me live, I would halt her and say "Kirsty, the door was indicated in your clip as being hinged on the left, when it should have been...." etc etc...
Perhaps this is why they were live in the studio...Perhaps a trap has been set for these to fall into. Once newcomers read the evidence, they will see the charade this is...
Surely if they were innocent they would be asking questions such as, why have you left out important names in this reconstruction (ie Paynes). I would not have allowed this to be aired if it was my child missing. I believe SY are giving them a false sense of protection...The McCanns should be astounded how innacurate that recon was....But we know why they are not

Precisely what I think. I would definitely pointed out to such things had I been them... live in the studio.

Although I would be really happy if this had been a trap for The McCanns, I think it's a whitewash. If SY really was taking it seriously, why then didn't they go and ask the Smith family? Why then didn't they interview again all the Tapas "I don't know how many" and The McCanns? It doesn't make sense.

Sorry for my English.

by russiandoll 15.10.13 15:34

tigger wrote:
russiandoll wrote:
tiny wrote:where was Gerry when Martin Smith saw this man with child at 10 0/c, are there any independant witness,s(not the tapas friends)
this is just the info SY want imo
According to the book and the statements, Gerry was at the table and assisted Kate in having another look round 5a. He then tried the shutters from outside and according to Kate was roaring like a bull.
Just the sort of thing in an emergency....

Apart from the roaring and the curious supplication for the GNR I don't believe it.

I think he was on his way back, hurriedly changed his trousers and did none of the bleeding obvious like looking in the immediate vicinity for Maddie or phoning the police.

yes all those statements about where Gerry was came from the tapas mob...SY need independent witnesses, bar staff, other tourists,

by Ayniia 15.10.13 15:36

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

I'm hoping that one of our Portuguese speakers will tell us what this is about.

I can't watch the video now, I'll see it tonight and let you know what he says, but the description of the video says:
" Gonçalo Amaral, the former PJ inspector author of the book 'Maddie - The Truth of the Lie', says the new facts in the case are a "publicity stunt" from the parents of the missing girl."

by russiandoll 15.10.13 15:36

candyfloss wrote:PAT BROWN ‏@ProfilerPatB 55s
Someone please tell me what evidence shows "hallmarks of a pre-planned abduction." Do those "hallmarks" also show a botched robbery? #McCann

someone tell Pat that was not what Redwood said....she has missed out ON ONE READING OF THE EVIDENCE,

Pat said the other day if Smith ignored its a whitewash. His sighting is all SY are focusing on imo and she still thinks a whitewash!

by MissDaisy 15.10.13 15:37

russiandoll wrote:Redwood is going to Ireland . I don't think he was being dishonest when he said he wanted to work with Portugal and they sure wont cover the Mcs backsides.

imo this is all about lining up the pieces on the chessboard. it is strategy with a long term goal imo.

I have heard that SY detectives have already been to Ireland.

by jeanmonroe 15.10.13 15:40

Does anyone know what the 'pattern' on the 'possible' pyjamas (Redwood) the child carrying 'walkingman' was?

by AndyB 15.10.13 15:44

Shrike wrote:Hi Tiny, I'm tending to think that Redwood needs more to secure a prosecution (as guided by CPS) exactly as Russiandoll has explained and hence his sortees to germany, netherlands and ireland, countries where most of the potential witnesses could be. IMO

A prosecution for what exactly? There doesn't appear to me to be any offence that is within the jurisdiction of either England and Wales or Scotland

by Seek truth 15.10.13 15:44

russiandoll wrote:
candyfloss wrote:PAT BROWN ‏@ProfilerPatB 55s
Someone please tell me what evidence shows "hallmarks of a pre-planned abduction." Do those "hallmarks" also show a botched robbery? #McCann

someone tell Pat that was not what Redwood said....she has missed out ON ONE READING OF THE EVIDENCE,

Pat said the other day if Smith ignored its a whitewash. His sighting is all SY are focusing on imo and she still thinks a whitewash!

If pat said the other day that if Smith is ignored its a whitewash, I'm afraid she's right.
Because guess what smith WAS ignored.

Papers are saying he saw madeleine in pyjamas barefoot etc. they totally ignored that he said a girl being carried, he didn't mention Tanners barefoot pyjama girl. He is now the Tanner story.