Re: Bernt Stellander interview

by AnneCGuedes 15.08.24 21:44

pinkgladioli wrote:
Is it right for someone to go into your apartment and take your child out YOUR bed.

I note she doesn’t say Madeleine was taken from her own bed,

I always thought that M fell asleep in her parents' bed (I see that BS thought that too) and that they took her to hers when they came home, because having 3 children fall asleep at the same time (without disturbing each other) in the same strange bedroom would seem difficult to achieve.

by Cake Lover 15.08.24 21:50

But didn't they return to find her out of bed, having presumably fallen?

by crusader 15.08.24 21:51

I agree, there is no way 3 children in the same room would fall asleep without getting up to mischief.
I wonder if that's why Kate said Madeleine was very tired and asked to be carried home after the high tea.

by pinkgladioli 15.08.24 22:22

From GM’s 4th May statement

Yesterday after their daily routine, Madeleine and the twin’s went to their bedroom and were placed in their respective bed’s and he stresses they were placed together ( i.e. in the same bedroom) at about 19.30

by pinkgladioli 15.08.24 22:26

From KM 4th May statement

Madeleine and the twin’s went to bed at around 7.30 They were in their respective beds

by AnneCGuedes 15.08.24 22:26

Cake Lover wrote:But didn't they return to find her out of bed, having presumably fallen?

On 2 May K was angry because of the quiz girl the day before. Moreover, G left the bar without consulting her. She (says she) wanted to get revenge by sleeping in the children's room. Did she see that M wasn't in her bed (she likely didn't turn on the light so as not to wake the children)? Or did she notice but think that G hadn't moved her into her bed? IMO In any case, they didn't realise that M had died until the morning.

by Cake Lover 15.08.24 22:28

It would be easy to get three children settled in the same room if they were sedated.

by AnneCGuedes 15.08.24 22:32

Believe me, doctors are no fools, they don't sedate without a major reason. I think the twins were sedated on May 3, which would be the abduction discovery night, to erase their memories, because they must have caught things on May 3 morning.

by crusader 15.08.24 22:48

It could be that just the twins were sedated on May 3rd but on the other hand, what would be the reason to do that.
They couldn't tell anyone anything they saw or heard because they didn't have full speech skills yet.
Madeleine was heard crying by Mrs Fenn for an hour and 3 quarters on Tuesday 1st May so she wasn't drugged up then.
Also she awoke and slept in her parent's room one night, so she wasn't drugged up then.
And on the morning of 3rd May, according to Kate, both Madeleine and Sean were awake in the night because she told us Madeleine said " where were you when we cried".
So 3 day's out of 5 she was awake in the night.

by AnneCGuedes 15.08.24 23:53

It wasn't the morning of May 3, but of May 2 that M made the comment (if you admit she was dead on May 3 morning) concerning the night before (the one Pamela F heard a child crying and calling Daddy).
Lee Rainbow wanted the twins to be questionned. Precious information was provided, with lots of patience and experts, by Rachel Nickell's son (2).

by Amy Dean 16.08.24 8:51

Rachel's son was a month off his 3rd birthday and was apparently very bright but I agree that the twins might have been able to give useful information.

by Justice for Maddie 16.08.24 9:06

How do you want to interview 1-2 years old toddlers, who can barely speak and express themself? But I can imagine that the twins heard sth. in a conversation between Kate and Gerry when they were older. Didn't Sean ask Kate if they hid Maddie's body? He has no contact to his parents anymore.
Another question: How reliable is the old lady from the apartment above? I still believe that Maddie died earlier (Sunday,Monday).

by Cake Lover 16.08.24 9:09

Sean is supposed to have said that he heard an item about Madeleine's disappearance when he was on the school bus, and the radio was on. That's if you believe his mother, though.

by Cake Lover 16.08.24 9:13

Justice for Maddie wrote:How do you want to interview 1-2 year old toddlers, who can barely speak and express themself? But I can imagine that the twins heard sth. in a conversation between Kate and Gerry when they were older. Didn't Sean ask Kate if they hid Maddie's body? He has no contact to his parents anymore.

It probably involves showing pictures, and asking the child to draw their own idea of what they saw. I presume leading questions are the only type which could be asked, given the age of the children. All open to interpretation imo.

by Amy Dean 16.08.24 9:14

Justice for Maddie wrote:How do you want to interview 1-2 years old toddlers, who can barely speak and express themself? But I can imagine that the twins heard sth. in a conversation between Kate and Gerry when they were older. Didn't Sean ask Kate if they hid Maddie's body? He has no contact to his parents anymore.
Another question: How reliable is the old lady from the apartment above? I still believe that Maddie died earlier (Sunday,Monday).

Where have you heard that Sean is not in contact with his parents now?

The twins were 2 years and 3 months old. My son at that age never stopped talking!

by crusader 16.08.24 9:20

What is sth?

by Amy Dean 16.08.24 9:23

crusader wrote:What is sth?

Something.

by crusader 16.08.24 9:37

Thank you Amy, I don't do abbreviations.

by Bluebagthepirate 16.08.24 10:12

Justice for Maddie wrote:Another question: How reliable is the old lady from the apartment above? I still believe that Maddie died earlier (Sunday,Monday).

I've always thought it was reliable.
She's dead now I think?

by Amy Dean 16.08.24 10:53

Yes, Mrs Fenn died some years ago, I can't readily find when. I can't see that she would have any reason to lie.

by AnneCGuedes 16.08.24 11:29

Amy Dean wrote:
The twins were 2 years and 3 months old. My son at that age never stopped talking!

Mine also ! I made a list of the words he used up to his 2nd birthday, then he used over 800 words. In the case of Rachel N's 2-year-old son, it took 6 months to make him express what helped the investigators.

by deepeepee 16.08.24 11:32

Justice for Maddie wrote:How do you want to interview 1-2 years old toddlers, who can barely speak and express themself? But I can imagine that the twins heard sth. in a conversation between Kate and Gerry when they were older. Didn't Sean ask Kate if they hid Maddie's body? He has no contact to his parents anymore.
Another question: How reliable is the old lady from the apartment above? I still believe that Maddie died earlier (Sunday,Monday).

How do you know that Sean has no contact with his parents anymore? (if that is what you mean)
Do you know since when?
Is there a reliable source for this information?

by Justice for Maddie 16.08.24 11:47

deepeepee wrote:
Justice for Maddie wrote:How do you want to interview 1-2 years old toddlers, who can barely speak and express themself? But I can imagine that the twins heard sth. in a conversation between Kate and Gerry when they were older. Didn't Sean ask Kate if they hid Maddie's body? He has no contact to his parents anymore.
Another question: How reliable is the old lady from the apartment above? I still believe that Maddie died earlier (Sunday,Monday).
How do you know that Sean has no contact with his parents anymore? (if that is what you mean)
Do you know since when?
Is there a reliable source for this information?

I can only find photos of Amelie and her parents (on Maddie's anniversary event), but not a recent photo of Sean and his family. So maybe he has no contact with his family anymore.

by Amy Dean 16.08.24 12:09

Only guesswork then but I certainly wouldn't blame him if he has cut ties with his parents.

by pinkgladioli 16.08.24 12:38

There is a an article that mentions a SM of Leceister, this SM was awarded a grant for £400 which was being used to fund travel and accommodation for a sport event that was taking place before April 2024
It may be another SM as would depend how many people anre from the same area of Leicester. I found it by putting name a place into Google

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