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10 REASONS WHICH SUGGEST THAT PAMELA FENN DID NOT HEAR ANY CHILD CRYING ON TUESDAY 1 MAY 2007

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Mrs Pamela Fenn's Witness Statement of 20th August 2007...

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Re: 10 REASONS WHICH SUGGEST THAT PAMELA FENN DID NOT HEAR ANY CHILD CRYING ON TUESDAY 1 MAY 2007

Post by Tony Bennett on 26.01.16 18:54

@Joannep43 wrote:"Why was it the British press and not the Portuguese press that broke the Mrs Fenn stories".? Like I said before I am not as researched as you and I had no way of knowing that.

REPLY: No problem at all.

You're right the Portuguese police would have nothing to gain.Their reputation only tarnished as it would become knowledge that their judicial secrecy had been compromised.

REPLY: thumbsup

What did the McCanns gain? Burglars about, Madeleine alive on that night, and a statement from Mrs Fenn's niece of another dodgy man hanging around?

REPLY: Nasty burglars thumbsup >>> Madeleine alive on 1 May thumbsup (especially if she was a child 'not under two years of age' winkwink ) >>> nasty dodgy hangers-around thumbsup  
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Re: 10 REASONS WHICH SUGGEST THAT PAMELA FENN DID NOT HEAR ANY CHILD CRYING ON TUESDAY 1 MAY 2007

Post by sharonl on 26.01.16 20:38

How odd that all these people who back up the McCann stories or provide other assistance are either British expats, regular visitors to PDL or own property there.

For starters:

Robert Murat - Property developer and son of the man who helped to develop PDL
Pamela Fenn - British expat
Edward Smethurst - regular visitor
Smiths - Regular visitor and property owner
Carole Tramner - (if true) claimed that she was there in search of property


There are more - I am sure that there is a link here somewhere

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Re: 10 REASONS WHICH SUGGEST THAT PAMELA FENN DID NOT HEAR ANY CHILD CRYING ON TUESDAY 1 MAY 2007

Post by Tony Bennett on 26.01.16 20:50

@sharonl wrote:How odd that all these people who back up the McCann stories or provide other assistance are either British expats, regular visitors to PDL or own property there.

For starters:

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Robert Murat - Property developer and son of the man who helped to develop PDL
Pamela Fenn - British expat
Edward Smethurst - regular visitor
Smiths - Regular visitor and property owner
Carole Tramner
- (if true) claimed that she was there in search of property
Mrs Jenny Murat, mother of Robert - set up stall so that the public could give her information  
The late Sir Clement Freud - had villa in PdL and invited the McCanns round for lunch and drinks
Ralph and Sally Eveleigh - aunt and uncle of Robert Murat - ran 'adult' holidays at their Salsalita villa in Burgau
Jon Corner, Madeleine's godfather - said in 2007 'been to Praia da Luz many times'  
Nuno Lourenco - mother lives in Sagres, he has moved back there from Germany - made up ludicrous story about Wojchiech Krokowski trying to kidnap his daughter
   

There are more - I am sure that there is a link here somewhere

REPLY: So many roads in this case lead to Robert Murat...  

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Re: 10 REASONS WHICH SUGGEST THAT PAMELA FENN DID NOT HEAR ANY CHILD CRYING ON TUESDAY 1 MAY 2007

Post by Amy Dean on 27.01.16 18:25

I don't remember hearing that the Eveleighs ran adult holidays, taking that to mean "consenting" adults.

The website for their guest house looks to me as if it's suitable for families; there's no mention that I can see that children aren't allowed.
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Re: 10 REASONS WHICH SUGGEST THAT PAMELA FENN DID NOT HEAR ANY CHILD CRYING ON TUESDAY 1 MAY 2007

Post by empath on 02.02.17 13:22

I believe she heard the crying, but that doesn't necessarily mean it was Maddie crying, one of the group were next door to the McCanns, I believe a woman of her age is of the *don't want to meddle* era, older people of her generation would hear the stories about the dodgy headmaster and not want to upset the apple cart so to speak, anyone 40 plus will remember their parents and grandparents personalities
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Re: 10 REASONS WHICH SUGGEST THAT PAMELA FENN DID NOT HEAR ANY CHILD CRYING ON TUESDAY 1 MAY 2007

Post by Julie on 30.10.17 12:10

Personally I decided that there was something very shady about Pamela Fenn's statement as soon as I got whiff of Murat involvement. 




To quote the interview with GNR officer Paolo Jorge Carvaihosa da Costa: "When asked he said that he never saw Robert Murat in all the times he visited the scene.

He does remember however, that on a day he cannot recall, an individual who identified himself as Robert, saying that he was in P da L as a translator helping the PJ, phoned the Lagos post saying:

That some foreign women, who had already been interviewed by the police, had phoned him, telling him that there was a child crying in an apartment near to them."  

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAOLO_COSTA.htm


Of course, it may not have been Murat but I'd eat my own arm if it wasn't. 


I also once heard (I can't remember specifically which video but it was on Youtube) that Fenn told her hairdresser that, on that Tuesday night the McC & Co were not dining at the Tapas bar - they were in fact at the 'Chaplins' retaurant until after midnight.. how convenient that they abandoned their children to go to a restaurant 5 minutes walk away on that specific night that Madeleine/twins were crying for over an hour. (I'm interested to know if anyone else has seen/hraed this and what do you make of it?)


All whiffs of bull***t to me!

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Re: 10 REASONS WHICH SUGGEST THAT PAMELA FENN DID NOT HEAR ANY CHILD CRYING ON TUESDAY 1 MAY 2007

Post by Keitei on 30.10.17 23:33

@ Julie.  I think this is YouTube footage you are speaking about, courtesy of Lizzy HideHo


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Re: 10 REASONS WHICH SUGGEST THAT PAMELA FENN DID NOT HEAR ANY CHILD CRYING ON TUESDAY 1 MAY 2007

Post by Phoebe on 31.10.17 1:17

I think this hairdresser is expressing her own opinion based on what has been reported rather than repeating anything Mrs. Fenn told her personally. She says - 
"They left them awake didn't they? Because on the Tuesday, there's a lady who lives above, she comes in here to get her hair done, and she's saying that Madeleine  was crying on the Tuesday, from ten o'clock until quarter to twelve"
When asked if the parents did not come she replies -
"No they're at Chaplins that night"
When he asks were they not at the other (Tapas?) restaurant she replies "No not on the Tuesday"
Notice she does not claim to have been told this directly by Mrs. Fenn nor does she claim that another worker in the salon got it first hand. She is merely stating that the lady who made the statement about the crying from ten o'clock til quarter to twelve gets her hair done at that salon. I think the claim they were at Chaplin's is either her own opinion or more likely, based on the rumour machine. If they had been at Chaplin's the P.J. would have discovered this and any such suspicion would have been noted in the files and subsequently, Dr. Amaral's book. IMO it is a hairdresser gossiping and increasing her own sense of importance/inside knowledge by claiming acquaintance with a witness whose testimony had caused a stir. I see elsewhere that this Bogart chap is claiming to have solved the case, largely relying on a bit of gossip from a hair salon.
 To put it in context, recently a tragedy occurred in my neck of the woods with a body being recovered from the estuary. That morning at least three people in shops told me, with utmost assurance, that the victim (suicide) was a very young teenager returning from a youth disco near to the water. This was the immediate local rumour doing its rounds and growing legs. It turned out to be a lady in her sixties with no connection to this area, and an accident!
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