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Chris Roberts posted this on facebook:

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https://www.facebook.com/groups/658816577574573/permalink/735235089932721/

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Do we know either of them ?
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Post by sallypelt 01.07.15 17:50

PeterMac wrote:Do we know either of them ?
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"I found the comments on a Facebook group called Stop Internet abuse against Kate and Gerry McCann. It has 168 members. PG and MA are admins as is Cass Sidebotham  aka Kate Holt"

This was found on the other forum, posted by chirpyinsect on Fri Jan 02, 2015 9:25 pm
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Post by Jill Havern 01.07.15 18:59

PeterMac wrote:Do we know either of them ?
Peter, she is an Admin of the Madeleine McCann Debate Group with Pamela Gurney https://www.facebook.com/groups/1529443800612966/ commonly known as the 'Pond' in facebook land.

Chris Roberts helped me admin my facebook group when I first set it up.

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Post by PeterMac 01.07.15 22:14

Does she have Wagnerian heroic ankles . . . ?
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Post by Jill Havern 01.07.15 22:15

PeterMac wrote:Does she have Wagnerian heroic ankles  . . . ?
Apparently not.

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Post by PeterMac 01.07.15 22:34

So it is not the Valkyrie at Craiglochart Pond in Edinburgh, with the accent so strong it had to be dubbed into English,
and the steel bangle, and the Herr Flick,
and the enormous turquoise tent sweater

There could of course have been two of them, which would turn the preparation of the Dossier of death into a Conspiracy and make it legally much more exciting.
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Post by Richard IV 01.07.15 22:59

Isn`t Cass Sidebotham also Kate Holt?  She`s got long hair in plaits - not so in the Pond pic.

I understood this to be her, mightily similar to Cindy Martin.

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Just a query, not necessarily fact.
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Richard IV wrote:Isn`t Cass Sidebotham also Kate Holt?  She`s got long hair in plaits - not so in the Pond pic.

I understood this to be her, mightily similar to Cindy Martin.

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Same spectacles too.
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PeterMac wrote:
Richard IV wrote:Isn`t Cass Sidebotham also Kate Holt?  She`s got long hair in plaits - not so in the Pond pic.

I understood this to be her, mightily similar to Cindy Martin.

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Same spectacles too.  

Same silly grin
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Post by PeterMac 03.07.15 16:05

Whoever it is, it is not Wagnerian Ankles Pondwoman.
My bet is still on Philomena for that one.
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Post by interestedobserver 03.07.15 16:10

PeterMac wrote:Whoever it is, it is not Wagnerian Ankles Pondwoman.
My bet is still on Philomena for that one.

I think that could be a winning bet.
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Post by PeterMac 03.07.15 16:20

interestedobserver wrote:
PeterMac wrote:Whoever it is, it is not Wagnerian Ankles Pondwoman.
My bet is still on Philomena for that one.

I think that could be a winning bet.
Of course Philomena may not have been the only one involved.
There may be a conspiracy to Hound a woman to her Death
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Post by PeterMac 04.07.15 9:27

IF Kate Holt and Cass Sidebotham ( and possibly Cindy Martin) are one and the same, then I am concerned.
I have been sent by private Email a disturbing set of 'selfie' photos relating to one of the above.
If there is a proper link there is YET ANOTHER deviant supporting the McCanns.
To add to Quicksand Tony, Amy T's brother, and all those who believe that murdering a young girl and chopping her up is "within the bounds of acceptable parenting."
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Post by jeanmonroe 04.07.15 12:31

PeterMac wrote:IF Kate Holt and Cass Sidebotham ( and possibly Cindy Martin) are one and the same, then I am concerned.
I have been sent by private Email a disturbing set of 'selfie' photos relating to one of the above.
If there is a proper link there is YET ANOTHER deviant supporting the McCanns.
To add to Quicksand Tony, Amy T's brother, and all those who believe that murdering a young girl and chopping her up is "within the bounds of acceptable parenting."

Do tell! winkwink
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Post by sallypelt 04.07.15 15:57

Isn't Kate Holt an American, posting on Twitter from America? I thought I read that she was, back when Brenda Layland died.
But I stand to be corrected.
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Post by LG 04.07.15 17:49

iirc wasn't it Cindy Martin, dirndllass, posting from Hawaii?
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Post by Syn 04.07.15 18:36

PeterMac wrote:IF Kate Holt and Cass Sidebotham ( and possibly Cindy Martin) are one and the same, then I am concerned.
I have been sent by private Email a disturbing set of 'selfie' photos relating to one of the above.
If there is a proper link there is YET ANOTHER deviant supporting the McCanns.
To add to Quicksand Tony, Amy T's brother, and all those who believe that murdering a young girl and chopping her up is "within the bounds of acceptable parenting."
Kate Holt and Cass Sidebotham are definitely one and the same. She is using her parent's surname now. She isn't Cindy Martin although I can understand why people think that is possible.  She was an 'anti' allegedly until she got pally with Pam Gurney and got well and truly suckered in. Kate/Cass is also @KDMoose -Dorbi on Twitter. 

IMO she and her cohorts on the Pond together with those at STM definitely had a hand in the dossier.
I have more supportive evidence of this but cannot upload the screenshot for some reason.  Will try again shortly.

This is her most recent failure re the dogs:
 
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anyone any explanation for Keela's false alert and why Grime doesn't write of it in his report? #mccann #PretendItNeverHappened
11:38 AM - 22 Jun 2015

Dorbi ‏@KDMoose  Jun 22
@MilesDKAB this was a white curtain and no blood was found even though a recorded blood alert was made #mccann

Miles Davis ‏@MilesDKAB  Jun 22
@KDMoose Point is if the alert was not made to curtain taken away from the location then alert is to the area not just the curtain #mccann

Denise Thomson ‏@Syn0nymph  Jun 22
@MilesDKAB @KDMoose She is ignoring this that I have just posted Miles as she knows she's made a foobar  #mccann http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1smpipj?new_post=true 

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1smpipj?new_post=true

"There was blood found on the curtain in 5A

@KDMoose #mccann So no blood was found on the curtain and Martin didn't mention the alert in his report then? Back to the drawing board for you lil lady. :) Here I prove you wrong yet again :)


'On 4 August 2007, at 15h00, a crime laboratory team comprising the signatories 

went, at the request of DIC Portimao PJ, to a residence at [the above address] in 
order to collect trace evidence from the place.'
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BLOOD.htm

There were 3 curtain items, a sample piece of the white curtain 286B/2007-CR/L 1 which was collected on the 3rd August following the alert by Keela:

'Finally, it was also requested by the investigating officers that we proceeded also with the delivery to FSS of Birmingham, United Kingdom, for further laboratory 

examination, a piece of the other white lining from the blue curtains numbered 16, 
that had been collected on 3 August 2007.
The paper package containing that piece of white lining was delivered to FSS of 

Birmingham, in the United Kingdom, under cover of delivery note 286B/2007-CR/L, a copy of which is attached.'
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BLOOD.htm

And the two blue curtains 286A/2007 CRL 16 curtain 1 and 286A/2007 CRL 16 curtain 2 which were collected on the 4th August. 

'On 4 August there were collected at [the above address]:

- Three (3) spots from the floor, numbered as trace evidence 1 to 3;
- Ten (10) spots from the wall, numbered as trace evidence 4 to 13;
- Two (2) spots from the back of one blue, cloth-upholstered sofa existing in the living room, numbered as trace evidence 14 to 15;
- Two blue curtains with white curtain lining from one of the windows of the living 
room, numbered as trace evidence 16.'
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BLOOD.htm

and 

'b) Samples collected in the living room of the apartment 5A, block A, Ocean Club, tourist resort, Praia da Luz, Lagos, on August 3rd, 2007, following the second examination carried out by a British specialist dog team (Delivery note no. 286B/2007-CR/L): 

1. A piece of fabric from white curtain next to a window in the living room. 

C) Samples collected in the living room of the apartment 5A, block A, Ocean Club tourist resort, Praia Da Luz, Lagos, on August 4th , 2007, following the second examination carried out by a British specialist dog team (Delivery note no. 286A/2007-CR/L):'
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm

In his report Martin combines the alert to the tiles on the 31st July and the alert to the curtain on the 3rd August. He does not state that Keela alerted to the blue curtain or to the white lining. He doesn't give a date for any of the searches anywhere in PDL and would know that the PJ would only want to know what alerts occurred at each location, they already know the dates the searches took place on. 

'The second alert was one where a definitive area was evident. The CSI dog 
was therefore deployed who gave specific alert indications to specific areas 
on the tiled floor area behind the sofa and on the curtain in the area that was 
in contact with the floor behind the sofa. This would indicate to the likely 
presence of human blood.'
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm
Keela did not alert to the curtain on the 31st July purely because she didn't examine it closely as Martin stops the fingertip search after she has alerted to the tiles in the same area that Eddie did. The search on the 3rd August looks to have been more thorough with the curtains closed as in the photo and she has sniffed her way all along them and has then alerted to the hem of 286A/2007 CRL 16 curtain 2.

Curtains back of sofa http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/V/08_VOLUME_VIIIa_Page_2201-.jpg

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post17295.html#p17295
The blue curtains and one white lining and the separate piece of white lining are then sent to the FSS and Lowe finds low level incomplete DNA on the hem of the blue curtain 286A/2007 CRL 16 curtain 2. 

'Low level incomplete DNA results, which in certain circumstances showed a contribution of DNA from more than one person were obtained from biological material on the following swabs: 286A/2007 CRL 14a, 14b, 15a; the swab from the hem of the curtain 286A/2007 CRL 16 curtain 2; the swabs from the tile pieces 286/2007 CRL 2 areas 1 and 2 and 3 area 1. In my opinion there is no evidence to support the view that anyone from the McCann family contributed their DNA to them results.'

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm

He then states:

'The curtains (286A/2007 - CR/L 16 and 16B) and the piece of white curtain (286B/2007 - CR/L 1) and the fragments of bushes (286/2007 CR/L 21) were examined for the presence of blood. No blood was found. '

and later

'FSS-GF-679 Emissao 2, Pagina 21

286A/2007-CRL 16 & 16B Two blue curtains and one white curtain

286B/2007-CRL 1 One white section of a curtain
These curtains were analysed for traces of blood, semen and saliva, none of which were detected. The hem of one of the blue curtains (16) was swabbed to collect any cellular material that might exist. An incomplete, inconclusive DNA result consisting only of two unconfirmed DNA components was obtained. In my opinion the result is not adequate for comparison purposes. The sample was submitted for LCN analysis.

An incomplete, low-level DNA result, comprising only some DNA components, was obtained through LCN from the CELLULAR MATERIAL recovered from the hem of one the curtains. In my opinion, this result contained information too meagre to permit a meaningful interpretation.'

So blood was found on the blue curtain and it was not a false positive by Keela as you claim at all.

You clearly don't realise that blood is made up of two major components: plasma and CELLULAR MATERIAL.

http://www.britannica.com/science/plasma-biology/images-videos/blood-plasma-and-cellular-material/83750

'Blood: Plasma and Cellular Material

Blood is made up of two major components: plasma and cellular material.'
Do watch the video and listen to it :)

and of course, from Martin himself:

'The components of blood are approximately: 

Red cells 40-50%
Plasma 55% (of which 95% is water)
White cells 
Platelets
DNA can only be removed from white cells. 
This would suggest that, of the samples signalled by the dog looking for human blood, approximately 5% are available for DNA tests.'
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm

You really must try harder Cass :)"

Dorbi ‏@KDMoose  Jun 22
@Syn0nymph @MilesDKAB white was curtain alerted to by blood dog, white curtain was tested for blood. no blood found on white curtain #mccann

Denise Thomson ‏@Syn0nymph  Jun 22
@KDMoose @MilesDKAB Lowe mentions nowt abt swabbing white curtain 4 cellular material and sending for LCN does he? He only swabs .. #mccann

@KDMoose @MilesDKAB the hem of blue curtain 2 but if he had then likelihood, would have found dna too as both in touch with floor #mccann ‐Mon Jun 22 14:13:57 +0000 2015

@KDMoose @MilesDKAB You really should read the files more thoroughly :) #mccann ‐Mon Jun 22 14:14:22 +0000 2015

@KDMoose @MilesDKAB DNA only found in white blood cells of cellular material. Martin confirms this if you'd bother to read #mccann ‐Mon Jun 22 14:16:33 +0000 2015

Dorbi ‏@KDMoose  Jun 22
@Syn0nymph @MilesDKAB does he conclude no blood was found? #mccann

Denise Thomson ‏@Syn0nymph  Jun 22
@KDMoose @MilesDKAB With his first tests yes, then he does a cellular swab and LSN test on ONLY the hem of blue curtain & dna found #mccann

Dorbi ‏@KDMoose  Jun 22
@Syn0nymph @MilesDKAB why does he not do this with the white curtain? #mccann #genuinequestion

Denise Thomson
‏@Syn0nymph @KDMoose @MilesDKAB I don't know, I would have thought that in the interest of thoroughness he should have done #mccann
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She's not mentioned a word about it since and once again has had to concede that her 'indisputable proof' that Keela made a false alert to blood was incorrect :)
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Post by tinkier 04.07.15 18:43

sallypelt wrote:Isn't Kate Holt an American, posting on Twitter from America? I thought I read that she was, back when Brenda Layland died.
But I stand to be corrected.
Kate Holt and Cass are definitely the same person, I believe she resides in Bury.
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tinkier wrote:
sallypelt wrote:Isn't Kate Holt an American, posting on Twitter from America? I thought I read that she was, back when Brenda Layland died.
But I stand to be corrected.
Kate Holt and Cass are definitely the same person, I believe she resides in Bury.
She does, yes.
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Post by Guest 04.07.15 21:52

A series of taking the rise out of Isabelle McFadden,posted by Kate Holt.

https://youtu.be/N4n-YWFX15w
https://youtu.be/Q4UlmhXUack

There's 9 in total.


https://sentencedtothepillory.wordpress.com/the-isabelle-mcfadden-series/
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Post by tinkier 05.07.15 0:44

WMD wrote:A series of taking the rise out of Isabelle McFadden,posted by Kate Holt.

https://youtu.be/N4n-YWFX15w
https://youtu.be/Q4UlmhXUack

There's 9 in total.


https://sentencedtothepillory.wordpress.com/the-isabelle-mcfadden-s
Think she (cass/kate) might be wise to seek professional help!
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Post by PeterMac 05.07.15 8:27

tinkier wrote:
Think she (cass/kate) might be wise to seek professional help!
From the pictures I was sent she might need medical help as well. I hope they were 'staged'
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Post by Amy Dean 05.07.15 10:07

As far as you know they are genuine and not photo-shopped?
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Post by lj 05.07.15 15:40

PeterMac wrote:
tinkier wrote:
Think she (cass/kate) might be wise to seek professional help!
From the pictures I was sent she might need medical help as well.  I hope they were 'staged'

From your hints I get a picture.

Isn't it a crime to send those type of pictures unrequested, even if they are not real?

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