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Post by Guest on 28.09.14 11:39

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Woofer wrote:I'm so naive sometimes...I was half believing the spoof....until the bit about the woodpecker  laughat
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I'm truly amazed that so many people carried on regardless after the 'woodpecker' bit
This as past me by,what about a woodpecker?
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Post by Guest on 28.09.14 11:54

WMD wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Woofer wrote:I'm so naive sometimes...I was half believing the spoof....until the bit about the woodpecker  laughat
@ Woofer

I'm truly amazed that so many people carried on regardless after the 'woodpecker' bit
This as past me by,what about a woodpecker?

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CONTRADICTION 10: Dr Payne says he walked in through the patio door without knocking. Kate McCann said she was in the shower and heard knocking.

The ‘knocking’ sound could have been anything. Maybe a stray woodpecker. Or something wrong with the pipes to the shower, making a ‘knocking’ sound as the water flowed through the pipe


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Post by Guest on 28.09.14 20:56

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WMD wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Woofer wrote:I'm so naive sometimes...I was half believing the spoof....until the bit about the woodpecker  laughat
@ Woofer

I'm truly amazed that so many people carried on regardless after the 'woodpecker' bit
This as past me by,what about a woodpecker?

Snipped from Tony's original post, (my bold)......

CONTRADICTION 10: Dr Payne says he walked in through the patio door without knocking. Kate McCann said she was in the shower and heard knocking.

The ‘knocking’ sound could have been anything. Maybe a stray woodpecker. Or something wrong with the pipes to the shower, making a ‘knocking’ sound as the water flowed through the pipe


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Ah! thankyou,maybe Dave Edmunds was playing in the background.
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Post by BlueBag on 28.09.14 21:14

Woodpecker knocking is not funny.
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Post by Mariayan on 28.09.14 21:20

@BlueBag wrote:Woodpecker knocking is not funny.
Why? 

I've just read this on facebook and think it's hilarious!

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Post by BlueBag on 28.09.14 21:22

Some of my best friends are woodpeckers and don't like being made fun of.

They have good lawyers so go ahead and make their day.
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Post by Tony Bennett on 30.09.14 15:02

Woodpeckers knocking

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DP = David Payne

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DP: Knock, knock

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KM: OK, hang on a sec, Dave, I'm just towelling off, wait till I've put the towel round me

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Post by BlueBag on 30.09.14 15:04

"Woodpeckers did it" is a new and interesting theory.

"Chilling..." and "explosive" probably.
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Post by Gaggzy on 30.09.14 15:20

@Tony Bennett wrote:Woodpeckers knocking

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz6aux7_P5k


DP = David Payne

KM = Kate McCann


DP: Knock, knock

KM: Who's there?

DP: David

KM: OK, hang on a sec, Dave, I'm just towelling off, wait till I've put the towel round me

KM : Sorry, David. I can't let you in. Madeleine is frightened of pain (Payne).
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Post by Gaggzy on 30.09.14 15:29

DP = David Payne

KM = Kate McCann


DP: Knock-knock.

KM : 'Who's there?'

DP : 'David.'

KM : 'David who?'

DP : 'Er ... I, err, s'pose, er ... sort of ... like, urm, yes ... you know, err, I, er, can't, uhm ... erm ...'

KM : 'Go away you f*****g t****r I'm trying to get the twins sedated asleep.'   laughat
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Post by PeterMac on 11.09.15 17:02

Payne could not remember what Kate was wearing when he visited . . .

Right. I believe it.
This is what Kate says

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Post by Robittybob1 on 28.06.16 0:21

I think that is a very important clue.  Most guys would have been delighted to meet Kate just wearing a towel, but he can't remember, but remembers what the kids were wearing.  Really strange.  What woman would admit to answering the door just wrapped in a towel unless that was the truth.
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Post by MayMuse on 28.06.16 0:58

@Robittybob1 wrote:I think that is a very important clue.  Most guys would have been delighted to meet Kate just wearing a towel, but he can't remember, but remembers what the kids were wearing.  Really strange.  What woman would admit to answering the door just wrapped in a towel unless that was the truth.
I think you should try reading the PJ files and examine both their statements, as KateM and DavidP can hardly agree on anything of that supposed rendezvous.

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Post by Robittybob1 on 28.06.16 2:38

I know that but who is telling the most truth, whose memory is the best.  To me if you answer the door wrapped in a towel that is the truth, for it is such a defining moment.
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Post by worriedmum on 28.06.16 12:45

@Robittybob1 wrote:I know that but who is telling the most truth, whose memory is the best.  To me if you answer the door wrapped in a towel that is the truth, for it is such a defining moment.
 

But you see, as a mum of four, I have great difficulty in imagining a situation where I would have a shower shortly before the children's bedtime.
Firstly, why couldn't I wait? They were going to be in bed for 7.30 and we are assured, asleep...
Secondly, holiday apartments are unfamiliar and I would say children are more likely to hurt themselves if not supervised ,and if they are tired- however we do have ''and if Madeleine hurt herself in the apartment , how would that be our fault''. Thirdly, according to David and Kate the patio door was unlocked.  Fourthly, Kate says she later had a bath after the children were in bed and before she went to the tapas.

So I couldn't say with certainty that I think Kate's account is more believable than David Payne's...
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Post by Robittybob1 on 28.06.16 12:51

@worriedmum wrote:

But you see, as a mum of four, I have great difficulty in imagining a situation where I would have a shower shortly before the children's bedtime.
Firstly, why couldn't I wait? They were going to be in bed for 7.30 and we are assured, asleep...
Secondly, holiday apartments are unfamiliar and I would say children are more likely to hurt themselves if not supervised ,and if they are tired- however we do have ''and if Madeleine hurt herself in the apartment , how would that be our fault''. Thirdly, according to David and Kate the patio door was unlocked.  Fourthly, Kate says she later had a bath after the children were in bed and before she went to the tapas.

So I couldn't say with certainty that I think Kate's account is more believable than David Payne's...
Do you cook the dinner or go the laundry without your kids?  It doesn't sound that bad if it was just a quick shower after her run.
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Post by MayMuse on 28.06.16 13:15

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@worriedmum wrote:

But you see, as a mum of four, I have great difficulty in imagining a situation where I would have a shower shortly before the children's bedtime.
Firstly, why couldn't I wait? They were going to be in bed for 7.30 and we are assured, asleep...
Secondly, holiday apartments are unfamiliar and I would say children are more likely to hurt themselves if not supervised ,and if they are tired- however we do have ''and if Madeleine hurt herself in the apartment , how would that be our fault''. Thirdly, according to David and Kate the patio door was unlocked.  Fourthly, Kate says she later had a bath after the children were in bed and before she went to the tapas.

So I couldn't say with certainty that I think Kate's account is more believable than David Payne's...
Do you cook the dinner or go the laundry without your kids?  It doesn't sound that bad if it was just a quick shower after her run.
Quick shower after run AND a bath before leaving the apartment? Which is it? Kate says two different things and surely the night your daughter was supposedly "abducted" you would go over every minute detail to ensure it was correct to assist the investigation; I don't buy poor memories either. Not one of the TM can put a sentence together without it being contradicted by the other, not to mention timings which is suspicious IMO

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Post by Robittybob1 on 28.06.16 13:25

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Quick shower after run AND a bath before leaving the apartment? Which is it? Kate says two different things and surely the night your daughter was supposedly "abducted" you would go over every minute detail to ensure it was correct to assist the investigation; I don't buy poor memories either. Not one of the TM can put a sentence together without it being contradicted by the other, not to mention timings which is suspicious IMO
It could be both.  Shower first and when Gerry got home some fun and a bath.  I have not studied that and I'm sure it wouldn't matter, for by that time the kids were asleep.
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Quick shower after run AND a bath before leaving the apartment? Which is it? Kate says two different things and surely the night your daughter was supposedly "abducted" you would go over every minute detail to ensure it was correct to assist the investigation; I don't buy poor memories either. Not one of the TM can put a sentence together without it being contradicted by the other, not to mention timings which is suspicious IMO
It could be both.  Shower first and when Gerry got home some fun and a bath.  I have not studied that and I'm sure it wouldn't matter, for by that time the kids were asleep.
Different statements and what is reported in her book. Yes "details" do matter in a case of a child who simply vanished without trace. And not just that she drank "New Zealand" wine!

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Post by worriedmum on 28.06.16 13:49

robbitybob, you are priceless!

''Do you cook the dinner or go the laundry without your kids?  It doesn't sound that bad if it was just a quick shower after her run''


Yes of course I cook the dinner-but the children would be next to me, in the same room or in sight and earshot-ditto the laundry. The point is, the shower was a choice. Three tots , tired, cranky,in an unfamiliar apartment(they were in creches all day) and you choose to go in the smallest and by definition most private room. You can't hear because of the shower, you can't see... But hey, maybe Madeleine was in charge - after all , she was at bedtime when they went out...
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@worriedmum wrote:robbitybob, you are priceless!

''Do you cook the dinner or go the laundry without your kids?  It doesn't sound that bad if it was just a quick shower after her run''


Yes of course I cook the dinner-but the children would be next to me, in the same room or in sight and earshot-ditto the laundry. The point is, the shower was a choice. Three tots , tired, cranky,in an unfamiliar apartment(they were in creches all day) and you choose to go in the smallest and by definition most private room. You can't hear because of the shower, you can't see... But hey, maybe Madeleine was in charge - after all , she was at bedtime when they went out...
One way or the other it was not the crime.  If someone did sneak in and play with the kids (twizzing them) while she was showering, that too was a possibility.
It is impossible to tell exactly what happened.
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Post by MayMuse on 28.06.16 14:12

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@worriedmum wrote:robbitybob, you are priceless!

''Do you cook the dinner or go the laundry without your kids?  It doesn't sound that bad if it was just a quick shower after her run''


Yes of course I cook the dinner-but the children would be next to me, in the same room or in sight and earshot-ditto the laundry. The point is, the shower was a choice. Three tots , tired, cranky,in an unfamiliar apartment(they were in creches all day) and you choose to go in the smallest and by definition most private room. You can't hear because of the shower, you can't see... But hey, maybe Madeleine was in charge - after all , she was at bedtime when they went out...
One way or the other it was not the crime.  If someone did sneak in and play with the kids (twizzing them) while she was showering, that too was a possibility.
It is impossible to tell exactly what happened.
What wasn't the crime? 
So we have "someone" sneaking in whilst Kate was having a shower or a bath? Twizzing the "kids" around and one "accidentally" died? They then did what? 
Remove the "evidence" whilst Kate was in the apartment? 
So a "kiddie twizzer burglar" did it? 
Kate didn't hear or see a thing? 
No screams, shouts, and her clothes just magically produced cadaver odour all by themselves? 
Give me strength! tease

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Post by Robittybob1 on 28.06.16 14:20

@MayMuse wrote:
@Robittybob1 wrote:
@worriedmum wrote:robbitybob, you are priceless!

''Do you cook the dinner or go the laundry without your kids?  It doesn't sound that bad if it was just a quick shower after her run''


Yes of course I cook the dinner-but the children would be next to me, in the same room or in sight and earshot-ditto the laundry. The point is, the shower was a choice. Three tots , tired, cranky,in an unfamiliar apartment(they were in creches all day) and you choose to go in the smallest and by definition most private room. You can't hear because of the shower, you can't see... But hey, maybe Madeleine was in charge - after all , she was at bedtime when they went out...
One way or the other it was not the crime.  If someone did sneak in and play with the kids (twizzing them) while she was showering, that too was a possibility.
It is impossible to tell exactly what happened.
What wasn't the crime? 
So we have "someone" sneaking in whilst Kate was having a shower or a bath? Twizzing the "kids" around and one "accidentally" died? They then did what? 
Remove the "evidence" whilst Kate was in the apartment? 
So a "kiddie twizzer burglar" did it? 
Kate didn't hear or see a thing? 
No screams, shouts, and her clothes just magically produced cadaver odour all by themselves? 
Give me strength! tease
"What wasn't the crime?"  Having a shower and later a bath.
So we have "someone" sneaking in whilst Kate was having a shower or a bath? Twizzing the "kids" around and one "accidentally" died? They then did what?"  Accidently bumped her head and her nose bled, gave her some medicine, and later Kate put her to bed.

Kate didn't hear or see a thing?"  She was in the shower.

No screams, shouts, and her clothes just magically produced cadaver odour all by themselves?"  This cadaver odour was discovered some weeks later.
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Post by plebgate on 28.06.16 14:27

@MayMuse wrote:
@Robittybob1 wrote:
@worriedmum wrote:robbitybob, you are priceless!

''Do you cook the dinner or go the laundry without your kids?  It doesn't sound that bad if it was just a quick shower after her run''


Yes of course I cook the dinner-but the children would be next to me, in the same room or in sight and earshot-ditto the laundry. The point is, the shower was a choice. Three tots , tired, cranky,in an unfamiliar apartment(they were in creches all day) and you choose to go in the smallest and by definition most private room. You can't hear because of the shower, you can't see... But hey, maybe Madeleine was in charge - after all , she was at bedtime when they went out...
One way or the other it was not the crime.  If someone did sneak in and play with the kids (twizzing them) while she was showering, that too was a possibility.
It is impossible to tell exactly what happened.
What wasn't the crime? 
So we have "someone" sneaking in whilst Kate was having a shower or a bath? Twizzing the "kids" around and one "accidentally" died? They then did what? 
Remove the "evidence" whilst Kate was in the apartment? 
So a "kiddie twizzer burglar" did it? 
Kate didn't hear or see a thing? 
No screams, shouts, and her clothes just magically produced cadaver odour all by themselves? 
Give me strength! tease
I wish I could, I am tired just trying to make out exactly what's being inferred with this word twizzing!

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