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Major Contradiction on Official Find Madeleine site

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Re: Major Contradiction on Official Find Madeleine site

Post by aiyoyo on 17.10.12 6:28

All missing children are vulnerable to exploitation including sexual exploitation, with this being the motive in many of those cases of stranger abductions where a motive can be determined.

Yet, her Maddie taken by *stranger* is an exception to the rule - there is no evidence she's come to any harm is what she had also said.

Reminding people to buy their products online at this stage is so tacky when Review is ongoing and pte detectives probably no longer used.

Why aren't they horrified by say-ville crime against children? They haven't comment.
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Re: Major Contradiction on Official Find Madeleine site

Post by Miraflores on 17.10.12 8:08

Wasn't their story that Madeleine had been abducted by paedophiles, so to say there was no evidence she had come to harm is a contradiction almost by definition.
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Re: Major Contradiction on Official Find Madeleine site

Post by sami on 17.10.12 8:28

The moment Madeleine left her family, she was harmed. Even if we are to take the example of a family looking for a child of their own, taking Madeleine from the sibilings she knew, from the parents she knew, still caused her harm.

It is not possible to say that Madeleine has not been harmed, regardless of the circumstances in which she was taken.

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Re: Major Contradiction on Official Find Madeleine site

Post by PeterMac on 17.10.12 10:54

@sami wrote:The moment Madeleine left her family, she was harmed. Even if we are to take the example of a family looking for a child of their own, taking Madeleine from the sibilings she knew, from the parents she knew, still caused her harm.
It is not possible to say that Madeleine has not been harmed, regardless of the circumstances in which she was taken.
That is the strange thing about that statement.
To forcibly take a small child from the lawful custody of its parents and against its consent MUST cause, at the very least, psychological harm.

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Re: Major Contradiction on Official Find Madeleine site

Post by statsman on 17.10.12 11:17

To forcibly take a small child from the lawful custody of its parents and against its consent MUST cause, at the very least, psychological harm.

Taking it a stage further, are the McCanns saying that child abduction where the child is not physically harmed is only a crime because it hurts the parents?

I would think they're in a minority of two in that one.
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Re: Major Contradiction on Official Find Madeleine site

Post by Guest on 17.10.12 11:34

@statsman wrote:
To forcibly take a small child from the lawful custody of its parents and against its consent MUST cause, at the very least, psychological harm.

Taking it a stage further, are the McCanns saying that child abduction where the child is not physically harmed is only a crime because it hurts the parents?

I would think they're in a minority of two in that one.
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Re: Major Contradiction on Official Find Madeleine site

Post by Olympicana_Reloaded on 23.11.12 3:48

@dragonfly wrote:On the front of the home page

Why do we continue?
There is absolutely nothing to suggest that Madeleine has been harmed.

Under missing children section - Kate's message

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All missing children are vulnerable to exploitation including sexual exploitation, with this being the motive in many of those cases of stranger abductions where a motive can be determined. Child sexual exploitation and child pornography in particular, is sadly and shockingly extensive worldwide. It is a multi-billion dollar industry aided by the use of the Internet with the ‘thirst’ for younger victims growing. Once again, my ‘bubble’ of a life burst as I began to discover the facts relating to this now global crisis. As we travelled through Europe in an attempt to raise awareness of Madeleine's abduction and appeal for help, we were repeatedly made aware of the unbelievable existence of such a horrifying activity and its vastness in our so called civilised and ‘child-loving’ society. How can such ‘businesses’ be condoned or tolerated by us all? What are the benefits for our children of being in a European Union where several member countries offer child pornography as a LEGAL past time? The most vulnerable members of our society are our children and they deserve better than this. Lack of sex offender registers, lack of reliable tracking systems for known offenders and no CRB check requirements , not even for those working with children are other major areas of concern within many parts of Europe. My eyes have certainly been opened to a whole new world out there - a very worrying one.

As a parent of an abducted child, I can tell you that it is the most painful and agonising experience you could ever imagine. My thoughts of the fear, confusion and loss of love and security that my precious daughter has had to endure are unbearable - crippling. And yet I am not the victim, Madeleine is. No child should EVER have to experience something so terrible.

But they is no suggestion she has come to any harm?

Perhaps she is confused or unaware about what may actually constituent 'harm to a child' or perhaps she is confused or unaware of whom the victims/perpetrators of such crimes against children are that she refers to in her message. I find it interesting, if not a little surprising, of the fact that she refers to traveling through Europe in an attempt to raise awareness of Madeleine's abduction and was repeatedly made aware of the unbelievable existence of such a horrifying activity yet fails to quote any official (European) sources of such information such as Interpol for instance.

Victim Identification

http://www.interpol.int/Crime-areas/Crimes-against-children/Victim-identification

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Re: Major Contradiction on Official Find Madeleine site

Post by Olympicana_Reloaded on 15.05.13 12:06

@russiandoll wrote: quote
and no CRB check requirements , not even for those working with children are other major areas of concern within many parts of Europe.

Was this a major concern of yours and Gerry's before you left for Portugal? While you were holidaying there it was with a British company, did you, knowing you intended to leave 3 under 4s in a kids club for many hours, check to confirm that the CRB cheks put in place for your children's care at home had been done for the creche staff? I know people working on British cruise ships looking after children who are CRB checked. It matters not that this was a holiday , you advertised to strangers in PdL that your children were regularly unattended for a few hours each evening. Anyone at that creche with an ulterior motive for working with children could have posed a danger. You were not happy leaving a stranger with them in the apartment as a babysitter. Yet you were happy to let strangers mind your children day after day. They would have had access in private to your eldest, taking her to the toilet for example.
As for the twins, they were in nappies weren't they? On multiple occasions strangers in their creche were changing their nappies.
So what checks did you make to ensure the safety of your vulnerable little ones I wonder.

Child pornography investigation spans from Harris County to UK, nets 4 arrests

A multi-agency investigation that spanned from Harris County to the United Kingdom since 2009 has culminated in three arrests connected to child pornography.

It all started with one arrest in Harris County, thanks to a tip from a local mother. That man's computer records led to the arrests and convictions of three others -- a school headmaster in the UK, a U.S. military service member and a military civilian employee.

JOHN HARDCASTLE

Officials said Clark had engaged in numerous conversations with a chat profile presumed to belong to a 30-year-old woman with two daughters. They discussed sexual scenarios involving children in "minute, graphic, and horrific detail," authorities said. Investigators traced that profile to York, United Kingdom. Authorities there identified the real operator as 52-year-old John Hardcastle, a high school headmaster.

Police searched Hardcastle's computer and found images of child pornography and bestiality, both of which are illegal to possess in the UK. Hardcastle pleaded guilty and eventually was sentenced via plea agreement to three years community supervision and a sex offender program. He was barred from working with children ever again.

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=9094031

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Re: Major Contradiction on Official Find Madeleine site

Post by Guest on 09.07.13 8:17

http://www.findmadeleine.com/updates/index.html

It's interesting how, for the past 3 years, the McCanns have given the date of the anniversary of Madeleine's "disappearance" as 2nd and not 3rd May. 

Perhaps for once they are telling the truth?
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Post by Guest on 09.07.13 9:14

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:http://www.findmadeleine.com/updates/index.html

It's interesting how, for the past 3 years, the McCanns have given the date of the anniversary of Madeleine's "disappearance" as 2nd and not 3rd May. 

Perhaps for once they are telling the truth?

Good pick up NFWTD, perhaps their subconcious came to the fore when stating the date.
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the 2nd

Post by marconi on 09.07.13 11:29

I thought f ths before. For a couple of times Kate was present in Praia da Luz on October the 2nd and November the 2nd.
I remember posting on Joana''s  "October the 2nd for Amaral's birthday" and November the 2nd I thought of All Souls.But I also suspected being the 2nd.

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Post by marconi on 09.07.13 11:47

I also remember that the cleaning lady had so much work to do on the 3rd, that she had no time to pick up the trash at 5a on the 3rd.

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Re: Major Contradiction on Official Find Madeleine site

Post by sheila.edwards on 09.07.13 11:51

yes how very strange, 2nd may instead of 3rd !  1st nov. is all saints day and 2nd is all souls day im sure.good obs. nfwtd. :spin:also agree with  CB point!

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Tapas 7 on the 3rd

Post by marconi on 09.07.13 12:19

Did Tapas 7 go to the beach on the 3rd, with their children, without the McCanns, to cover up the death?
And were Oldfield and Payne sayling on the afternoon, along the beach, searching for a place to hide the body? Or maybe Tapas 7 still did not know about it, only Payne.

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May 2nd

Post by worriedmum on 09.07.13 12:40

'Wednesday, May 2, was our last completely happy day. Our last, to date, as a family of five. If only it were possible to rewind. Even for an hour'


Kate McCann.
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Re: Major Contradiction on Official Find Madeleine site

Post by Guest on 09.07.13 12:50

@worriedmum wrote:'Wednesday, May 2, was our last completely happy day. Our last, to date, as a family of five. If only it were possible to rewind. Even for an hour'


Kate McCann.

 Is that from the book worriedmum?  Very strange thing to say, what about breakfast on May 3rd, and the last pool photo?
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Post by Guest on 09.07.13 12:57

I take it to mean that Wednesday was the last complete day of happiness in Kate's fairy-tale version of events. The following day was cut short because of whatever happened in the evening.

I'd better come clean (pity that others with much grubbier secrets don't do the same!) and admit that it wasn't me who noticed the discrepancy with the anniversary dates.

It was sent to me on Facebook - thank you to you-know-who-you-are who did so.
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May 2nd

Post by worriedmum on 09.07.13 13:05

It is taken from an article in The Sunday Times which does appear to be quoting from the book.
This is the link;

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/newsreview/features/article625769.ece


If you have time you might want to re-visit the 'May 2nd/Lady by the pool 'topic too.
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Post by marconi on 09.07.13 13:50

@worriedmum wrote:It is taken from an article in The Sunday Times which does appear to be quoting from the book.
This is the link;

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/newsreview/features/article625769.ece


If you have time you might want to re-visit the 'May 2nd/Lady by the pool 'topic too.

 Madeleine could have died on the evening of the 2nd.

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Re: Major Contradiction on Official Find Madeleine site

Post by marconi on 09.07.13 14:44

candyfloss wrote:
@worriedmum wrote:'Wednesday, May 2, was our last completely happy day. Our last, to date, as a family of five. If only it were possible to rewind. Even for an hour'


Kate McCann.

 Is that from the book worriedmum?  Very strange thing to say, what about breakfast on May 3rd, and the last pool photo?

 About the breakfast "where were you last night  when Sean and I/ when I was crying.?", and on the book Kate wonders: in bath?
We know already that the McCCanns are irresponsible people, and now we can read that they left 3  little children alone in bath, with the risk of drowning  Were they that far away that they could not hear those crrying children?

And the pool photo could be fake.

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Re: Major Contradiction on Official Find Madeleine site

Post by aiyoyo on 09.07.13 17:54

If your child disappears on the night of 3rd everything you did together on that day will be etched on your memory.
It does not matter whether the last activity you had with her was just between you and her, or as a family of 5, you would remember the very last thing you shared together.

There's the breakfast time (conversation remember) as a family of five. Then there's the bedtime story reading on the 3rd ? Surely that must the last time they spent happy moments as family of five?

It's a no wonder people don't believe their pulp fiction.
It's still my opinion Maddie died on the 2nd, and 3rd was spent doing the necessary before the staged abduction.
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Post by lj on 09.07.13 19:28

fascinating slip ...

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Re: Major Contradiction on Official Find Madeleine site

Post by juliet on 09.07.13 21:59

Remember when Jenni Murray on the radio asked Kate if Madeleine was asleep when they left to go to dinner. There was a terribly long pause before Kate said "Er um er yes". She didn't know, was the obvious thought, because it was a big lie.
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Re: Major Contradiction on Official Find Madeleine site

Post by Guest on 09.07.13 22:42

@juliet wrote:Remember when Jenni Murray on the radio asked Kate if Madeleine was asleep when they left to go to dinner. There was a terribly long pause before Kate said "Er um er yes". She didn't know, was the obvious thought, because it was a big lie.
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Oh, yes! I remember that one!

As well as the [non verbatim] regarding physically searching: "well ... no ... eh .. yes ... we've been looking ... but you don't function the first 48 hours... and .. eh .. we've been working real hard behind the scene ... "
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Post by russiandoll on 09.07.13 23:20

@juliet wrote:Remember when Jenni Murray on the radio asked Kate if Madeleine was asleep when they left to go to dinner. There was a terribly long pause before Kate said "Er um er yes". She didn't know, was the obvious thought, because it was a big lie.

   I am sure I read that before going to dinner Gerry took a last look in the bedroom....so she would not know unless he told her.

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