backwards

by russiandoll 16.10.11 17:45

tell you what I did, I read Kates book backwards...last chapter to first. very interesting.

by Upsy Daisy 16.10.11 19:24

ha! Did you spot anything untoward that way, as opposed to the other way, or are both ways as bad??? I can't bring myself to read it.. I barely manage to watch that pair on any videos, they make me churn inside! [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

by rainbow-fairy 16.10.11 19:27

russiandoll wrote:tell you what I did, I read Kates book backwards...last chapter to first. very interesting.

Did it make the gibberish any more believable?!?

by steevo1962 16.10.11 23:52

I hope that no-one is offended by this video that I found?

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by Seek truth 04.06.13 18:11

What about the video on you tube Gerry McCann is happy!
Few days after his daughter is missing.

And is it me or are the Mccanns giving too many excuses in their interviews? To explain why they are coping really well, they mention the public have given them strength. There is too much of this.
They Seem to need to give explanations.

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in their interviews they also hold hands and talk over each other when they feel stuck, they give each other support when their talking instead of when crying.

by Ayniia 04.06.13 18:31

Seek truth wrote:What about the video on you tube Gerry McCann is happy!
Few days after his daughter is missing.

And is it me or are the Mccanns giving too many excuses in their interviews? To explain why they are coping really well, they mention the public have given them strength. There is too much of this.
They Seem to need to give explanations.

in their interviews they also hold hands and talk over each other when they feel stuck, they give each other support when their talking instead of when crying.

Nothing wrong with they supporting each other. Nor with them ot crying. People react differently in moments of stress and how many times we saw ( not comparing, just saying ) guilty people crying on tv?
Ok he was happy laughing few days after his daughter disappearing, but what about having a couple hours of sleep in the very night she was gone?

by Cristobell 04.06.13 21:10

rightgoodlaugh wrote:I don't know whether this has been posted before but I found this TED talk on how to spot a liar VERY revealing. It describes (and shows) exactly the same behaviour Kate and Gerry display. Specifically, it shows that the clusters of body language Gerry display and his desire to over-explain with trivia (his blogs) are distraction devices. Also it shows video of two 'grieving' mothers of murdered children: one genuine and one not.

It's 20 mins long, but well worth it! [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

That was ver good, rightgoodlaugh and I wonder if some of us can recognise these signs instinctively, without actually knowing the science. The reason I wonder, is because there are so many of us out there who have known darn well from the start that we were being lied to! It may be why this case remains so controversial. Some cannot, or won't, see what we can, and it is so vexing.

This hugely informative short talk illustrates pretty much everything we have suspected. As you say we have seen an awful lot of these clusters in interviews over the years, the shoulder shrugging, the saying 'yes' while nodding 'no' (there was a classic Dave Edgar doing this) and of course, the curled lip sneer and the smug smiles.

Thank you very much for posting this. Coincidently I had recently been introduced to Ted Talks by my student son, and am now a huge fan.

by Guest 04.06.13 23:30

Have a good look at this TED video at 13'30" and see if you recognise this facial expression ...

by aiyoyo 05.06.13 4:44

Châtelaine wrote:Have a good look at this TED video at 13'30" and see if you recognise this facial expression ...

The twitched "contemptuous" mouth, or the groping hand?

by Seek truth 05.06.13 20:45

Yes Ayniia, he did sleep that night, they also never ran out searching with Jane Tanner who saw which way the man headed, how dumb is that! laughat

What I meant by supporting each other was, take a look at the interviews, whenever they feel awkward and look terribly guilty (when speaking) that's when they squeeze each others hand or take over.
They need each other to answer the questions.
He doesn't support her when she's about to pretend to cry. He supports her when she's looking guilty watch their eyes. laughat

They look like liars in their interviews.

Yes I know people react differently, but after six years? Its not just the one time he was caught looking very happy.

They look guilty as hell, don't know who they think they're fooling.

by Ayniia 05.06.13 21:07

Seek truth wrote:Yes Ayniia, he did sleep that night, they also never ran out searching with Jane Tanner who saw which way the man headed, how dumb is that!

What I meant by supporting each other was, take a look at the interviews, whenever they feel awkward and look terribly guilty (when speaking) that's when they squeeze each others hand or take over.
They need each other to answer the questions.
He doesn't support her when she's about to pretend to cry. He supports her when she's looking guilty watch their eyes.

They look like liars in their interviews.

Yes I know people react differently, but after six years? Its not just the one time he was caught looking very happy.

They look guilty as hell, don't know who they think they're fooling.

Here you have an example: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

And you might like this video, there's also part 2 [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

by aiyoyo 06.06.13 6:44

If JT did see the man why didnt she tell the Police quickly?

It's those of the WTF moments just like Kate who on discovering the open window did look out the window to see whether Maddie has fallen out.

We are talking about a bunch of intelligent professionals.

by plebgate 06.06.13 8:37

as Mr. said, the abductor was nearly caught by Jane Tanner.

Nearly caught eerrrrrr how was he nearly caught - by the time she told anybody about her sighting of the abductor he could have been in Morocco, Spain, New Zealand, blah blah blah - take your pick.

by Seek truth 06.06.13 19:38

Ayniia, thanks,
brilliant, hadn't seen that video!

They blame the Portuguese, but if Madeleine had a Portugese passport it would have been more difficult to get her out of Portugal.
Portuguese nationals, children, can not leave Portugal without both their parents without some kind of consent. Many have been left behind! I know it's a lot harder, but can't remember how it works exactly.

With a British passport your child doesn't need both parents, with the Portuguese passport or ID they do, if I'm not wrong.

by Seek truth 06.06.13 19:58

aiyoyo wrote:If JT did see the man why didnt she tell the Police quickly?

It's those of the WTF moments just like Kate who on discovering the open window did look out the window to see whether Maddie has fallen out.

We are talking about a bunch of intelligent professionals.

Maybe intelligent professionals but sometimes looks like it wasn't exactly planned properly.

Like it was a sudden death, and they panicked and weren't thinking straight as we can see in their statements. JT speaking out much later too wasn't well planned.

Intelligent are the Portuguese too! educated, I heard they can't leave school until they've passed all their tests, before moving on to the next year, sometimes have to repeat the whole year again! sad

Makes brilliant minds though!

by Ayniia 07.06.13 0:44

Seek truth wrote:Ayniia, thanks,
brilliant, hadn't seen that video!
They blame the Portuguese, but if Madeleine had a Portugese passport it would have been more difficult to get her out of Portugal.
Portuguese nationals, children, can not leave Portugal without both their parents without some kind of consent. Many have been left behind! I know it's a lot harder, but can't remember how it works exactly.
With a British passport your child doesn't need both parents, with the Portuguese passport or ID they do, if I'm not wrong.

Seek truth wrote:
Maybe intelligent professionals but sometimes looks like it wasn't exactly planned properly.
Like
it was a sudden death, and they panicked and weren't thinking straight
as we can see in their statements. JT speaking out much later too wasn't
well planned.
Intelligent are the Portuguese too! educated, I heard
they can't leave school until they've passed all their tests, before
moving on to the next year, sometimes have to repeat the whole year
again! [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
Makes brilliant minds though!

You welcome [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Thank you for the compliment on the Portugueses too [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
IF Madeleine had been taken, It would've been very easy to get her anywhere in the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] area. But surely not so easy to Morocco . British blonde girl missing with her face all over the news in the next day being taken to Morocco and no one spotting her, I won't say impossible but very close. Also we know from her family she was "a screamer" so I really doubt she'd go unnoticed.
Also It's basic and in need of no explanation that publicizing her coloboma would very likely be BAD for her. But wait "it was good marketing". We don't need to doubt the Mccanns,they did all the work on that for us.

by whmon 21.07.13 12:01

Five ways to detect a liar

Prof Richard Wiseman, a Psychologist from Hertfordshire University outlined ways to spot a liar;

Me, myself I: Liars make up stories that never actually happened, and so tend to reduce the number of times they refer to themselves. Look out for any sudden drop in words like me, mine and I
Shifty: Lying is difficult and people tend not to move around when they are concentrating on something. Be wary if a person suddenly becomes very still
Umm ... err: Liars are far more hesitant than truth tellers and tend to stumble over their words. Listen out for tell-tale umms and errs.
Timing: Liars often have to think about what they are going to say before they speak. Be suspicious if someone suddenly pauses before starting to answer a question.
Token gesture: Liars tend to move their hands around more than truth tellers. Be wary if someone suddenly starts covering up their mouth or touching their hair as they chat.

by Newintown 21.07.13 18:41

aiyoyo wrote:If JT did see the man why didnt she tell the Police quickly?

It's those of the WTF moments just like Kate who on discovering the open window did look out the window to see whether Maddie has fallen out.
We are talking about a bunch of intelligent professionals.

I'm just re-reading some of the older posts on this topic.

Where did that quote come from aiyoyo, was it from K McCann's book, I haven't seen it mentioned before. I haven't bought the book (didn't want to add to their £millions).

by Newintown 21.07.13 21:47

Newintown wrote:
aiyoyo wrote:If JT did see the man why didnt she tell the Police quickly?

It's those of the WTF moments just like Kate who on discovering the open window did look out the window to see whether Maddie has fallen out.
We are talking about a bunch of intelligent professionals.

I'm just re-reading some of the older posts on this topic.

Where did that quote come from aiyoyo, was it from K McCann's book, I haven't seen it mentioned before. I haven't bought the book (didn't want to add to their £millions).

Actually having thought about this, I think it is quite significant as it is telling everyone that Madeleine would have been able to climb up to the window and fall out of it. If she wasn't tall enough to get to the windowsill and fall out Kate Mcann wouldn't have mentioned it, so are we being told by K McCann's subconscious that this is what happened to Madeleine if she was left alone for 10/20/30 minutes whilst her parents were elsewhere doing other things more interesting than looking after their own kids, IMO. Did she fall out the window on her head when she wasn't supervised, is that why she was sleepy when KM brought her back from the kiddies play group? More questions, questions, questions........

ETA: I wonder if the PJ checked for blood outside around the apartment and under the window, that would be interesting to know.

by jcloth 21.12.13 19:01

I took the opportunity to insert examples of the McCanns lying into Meyer's lecture - think it makes a compelling case!

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by bobbin 21.12.13 21:23

jcloth wrote:I took the opportunity to insert examples of the McCanns lying into Meyer's lecture - think it makes a compelling case!

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Very worth while lecture with appropriate inserts. We know we have seen them and trust that the police /psychological analysts have seen them too. thumbup

by Guest 21.12.13 21:39

Great video, nice editing. Well done. There are many more of these"facial expressions", but these will do ...

by canada12 21.12.13 21:51

I would love to be able to do extreme closeups on their hands as they're speaking - specifically Gerry holding Kate's hand - just to see if there are any subtle "signal" gestures going on between them.

by Seek truth 21.12.13 21:59

I say;

Let's find and put together all the videos and photos that show the mccanns crying, so it can be studied.

Or their fake sad faces.

Very hard to find!

sad1

by canada12 21.12.13 22:02

I think the photos taken of Gerry and Kate on the night of and early morning following Madeleine's disappearance are fairly honest. Kate looks devastated and exhausted. I think that much is genuine.