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Post by NickE 02.05.14 21:04

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A CMTV emite este sábado à noite, pelas 23h00, um especial de informação sobre os sete anos do desaparecimento de Maddie


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Kate McCann está preparada para notícia da morte de Maddie
Kate McCann voltou a falar sobre o desaparecimento da filha, há sete anos, na Praia da Luz do Algarve.
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The CMTV issues this Saturday night, by 23:00, a special information about the seven years of the disappearance of Maddie 


Kate McCann are prepared on news of the death of Maddie.
Kate McCann returned to talk about the disappearance of their daughter, seven years ago, in Praia da Luz in the Algarve. 
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Post by whatliesbehindthesofa 02.05.14 22:17

Kate McCann is prepared for news about the death of Maddie. She really does seem to be expecting news of her death, doesn't she? I wonder if she knows what form that news will take yet.
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Post by canada12 02.05.14 22:32

Who knows, but if SY come out with the conclusion that Madeleine is dead, and they have proof of it, then Operation Grange presumably becomes an investigation into Madeleine's death.

IMO, if the McCanns then try to claim she died accidentally, they would have had knowledge of it, and that opens up the possibility of Fraud regarding The Fund and whatever other charges stem from concealing a death.

If the McCanns claim no knowledge, that opens up the investigation into how she died.

Interesting times ahead, if SY is about to conclude Madeleine is deceased.
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Post by Doug D 02.05.14 22:49

Canada 12:
 
‘if SY come out with the conclusion that Madeleine is dead, and they have proof of it’,
 
What will they need?
 
Dogs. (Indicative only, but the best they’ve got?)
Body (Who knows, but seems unlikely)
New statement from one of T7 (Not proof?) unless a confession maybe, but even so would that be proof?
 
Where else is ‘proof’ likely to come from?
 
I’m struggling with this one.
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Post by whatliesbehindthesofa 02.05.14 22:54

The question that I'm wrestling with is - if the investigation is a whitewash as many here believe, will this news be of a death in 5A or somewhere else? It it's a death in 5A, surely the finger of suspicion must point directly at the McCanns. If it's a death elsewhere, then for certain any evidence for it must be false.
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Post by notlongnow 02.05.14 23:02

Surely 5a as AR hinted recently.
Really struggling to how this is going to pan out.
If it is the dogs then that is going to be awkward due to lack of time for the scent.
Or will we be fed the 90 minute is not factual and the scent  is detectable in minutes/secs after death?
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Post by sofieellis 02.05.14 23:15

Is this a full programme tomorrow night? Will there be any way of viewing a translation anywhere?
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Post by suzyjohnson 02.05.14 23:41

If SY do conclude that Madeleine is dead (or probably dead) where does this leave things in respect of the libel trial?

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Post by NickE 03.05.14 7:44

@notlongnow wrote:Surely 5a as AR hinted recently.
Really struggling to how this is going to pan out.
If it is the dogs then that is going to be awkward due to lack of time for the scent.
Or will we be fed the 90 minute is not factual and the scent  is detectable in minutes/secs after death?
"7. Do Portuguese police hold the key to solving the case?
British detectives fear local Portuguese police could unwittingly be sitting on vital forensic evidence key to the case.
Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood said last month":
My feeling is that these forensic evidence does not come from any "Smellyman","binman" or a "Flatman .... unt zu weiter.


According to the last TV interview,Amaral said,there were forensic findings that it was not technically possible to check at the time,

 I have heard unconfirmed reports that PJ has sent these forensic findings to Belgium for a DNA trace a couple of months ago, if this is true remains to be seen.
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Post by SixMillionQuid 03.05.14 13:27

@NickE wrote:
@notlongnow wrote:Surely 5a as AR hinted recently.
Really struggling to how this is going to pan out.
If it is the dogs then that is going to be awkward due to lack of time for the scent.
Or will we be fed the 90 minute is not factual and the scent  is detectable in minutes/secs after death?
"7. Do Portuguese police hold the key to solving the case?
British detectives fear local Portuguese police could unwittingly be sitting on vital forensic evidence key to the case.
Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood said last month":
My feeling is that these forensic evidence does not come from any "Smellyman","binman" or a "Flatman .... unt zu weiter.


According to the last TV interview,Amaral said,there were forensic findings that it was not technically possible to check at the time,

 I have heard unconfirmed reports that PJ has sent these forensic findings to Belgium for a DNA trace a couple of months ago, if this is true remains to be seen.
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Now you know why SY and the McCanns are annoyed...they don't know what's going on in Portugal. No opportunity for pre-emptive spin from their spin machines.

It now appears Tractorman had an alibi and I believe this is the only burglar the PJ were looking at. The other pedo / burglars originate from SY.

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Post by lj 03.05.14 15:55

@NickE wrote:
@notlongnow wrote:Surely 5a as AR hinted recently.
Really struggling to how this is going to pan out.
If it is the dogs then that is going to be awkward due to lack of time for the scent.
Or will we be fed the 90 minute is not factual and the scent  is detectable in minutes/secs after death?
"7. Do Portuguese police hold the key to solving the case?
British detectives fear local Portuguese police could unwittingly be sitting on vital forensic evidence key to the case.
Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood said last month":
My feeling is that these forensic evidence does not come from any "Smellyman","binman" or a "Flatman .... unt zu weiter.


According to the last TV interview,Amaral said,there were forensic findings that it was not technically possible to check at the time,

 I have heard unconfirmed reports that PJ has sent these forensic findings to Belgium for a DNA trace a couple of months ago, if this is true remains to be seen.
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So after FFS sorry FSS screwed up the first batch they are trying to get their fingers on what's left. I hope Portugal is wiser.

You know after all this carbage I would not blame Portugal if they would say: here keep you pathetic parents, find a British patsy and let us get on with our lives.

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Post by jeanmonroe 03.05.14 16:00

DO NOT QUOTE ME ON THIS!

There's 'speculation', and ONLY 'speculation', with GA is pointing to DCI Redwood's 'comments':  "the assumption from that is that Madeleine McCann has been abducted. That may not necessarily follow with all our thinking about what may have become of Madeleine McCann"

Ergo: DCI Redwood possibly/probable "AGREEING" WITH HIS (GA'S) ORIGINAL 'CONCLUSION AND THEORY'.

"there was a possibility that Madeleine had not left her family's holiday apartment alive when she disappeared in May 2007".

Ergo: DCI Redwood possibly/probably "AGREEING" WITH HIS (GA'S) ORIGINAL 'CONCLUSION AND THEORY'.

And that he has 'informed' the lbel case trial judge of the same 'comments' from the lead investigator of the UK investigation 'team'.

THIS MAY ALL ONLY BE CONJECTURE BUT, IF TRUE, WILL HAVE SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES FOR THE LIBEL CASE.

"a possibility that Madeleine had not left her family's holiday apartment alive when she disappeared in May 2007".

(even in 'mitigation')
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Post by TheTruthWillOut 03.05.14 16:09

@jeanmonroe wrote:DO NOT QUOTE ME ON THIS!

There's 'speculation', and ONLY 'speculation', with GA is pointing to DCI Redwood's 'comments':  "the assumption from that is that Madeleine McCann has been abducted. That may not necessarily follow with all our thinking about what may have become of Madeleine McCann"

"there was a possibility that Madeleine had not left her family's holiday apartment alive when she disappeared in May 2007".

And that he has 'informed' the lbel case trial judge of the same 'comments' from the lead investigator of the UK investigation 'team'.

THIS MAY ALL ONLY BE CONJECTURE BUT, IF TRUE, WILL HAVE SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES FOR THE LIBEL CASE.

"a possibility that Madeleine had not left her family's holiday apartment alive when she disappeared in May 2007".

(even in 'mitigation')


It wouldn't surprise. Even Kate is strongly hinting at death now after 7 years of dismissing it. Preemptive strike for when Andy/SY makes it official, I would guess.
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Post by Newintown 03.05.14 16:16

@TheTruthWillOut wrote:
@jeanmonroe wrote:DO NOT QUOTE ME ON THIS!

There's 'speculation', and ONLY 'speculation', with GA is pointing to DCI Redwood's 'comments':  "the assumption from that is that Madeleine McCann has been abducted. That may not necessarily follow with all our thinking about what may have become of Madeleine McCann"

"there was a possibility that Madeleine had not left her family's holiday apartment alive when she disappeared in May 2007".

And that he has 'informed' the lbel case trial judge of the same 'comments' from the lead investigator of the UK investigation 'team'.

THIS MAY ALL ONLY BE CONJECTURE BUT, IF TRUE, WILL HAVE SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES FOR THE LIBEL CASE.

"a possibility that Madeleine had not left her family's holiday apartment alive when she disappeared in May 2007".

(even in 'mitigation')


It wouldn't surprise. Even Kate is strongly hinting at death now after 7 years of dismissing it. Preemptive strike for when Andy/SY makes it official, I would guess.

It doesn't leave the McCanns in a very good position though if AR is saying that Madeleine may not have been alive when she disappeared from the apartment as it takes over 60 minutes for the cadaver scent to form; any would-be abductor would not hang around for 60 minutes or so before taking a dead Madeleine out of the apartment, which only leaves one scenario ........

As someone mentioned on another thread, are the McCanns now backed into a corner and are trying every trick in the book to point the finger elsewhere and away from themselves, but they just can't get rid of those pesky dogs' findings.

GM stated that he saw MBM asleep in bed at 9.10 p.m. he can't get out of that now, it's written in his statement, never to go away, unless someone loses all the files.   smilie

ETA: Having said that I hope copies of all statements in this case have been made and are stored somewhere very, very safe.

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Post by Newintown 03.05.14 16:37

@jeanmonroe wrote:DO NOT QUOTE ME ON THIS!

There's 'speculation', and ONLY 'speculation', with GA is pointing to DCI Redwood's 'comments':  "the assumption from that is that Madeleine McCann has been abducted. That may not necessarily follow with all our thinking about what may have become of Madeleine McCann"

Ergo: DCI Redwood possibly/probable "AGREEING" WITH HIS (GA'S) ORIGINAL 'CONCLUSION AND THEORY'.

"there was a possibility that Madeleine had not left her family's holiday apartment alive when she disappeared in May 2007".

Ergo: DCI Redwood possibly/probably "AGREEING" WITH HIS (GA'S) ORIGINAL 'CONCLUSION AND THEORY'.

And that he has 'informed' the lbel case trial judge of the same 'comments' from the lead investigator of the UK investigation 'team'.

THIS MAY ALL ONLY BE CONJECTURE BUT, IF TRUE, WILL HAVE SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES FOR THE LIBEL CASE.

"a possibility that Madeleine had not left her family's holiday apartment alive when she disappeared in May 2007".

(even in 'mitigation')

Thanks for amending your post from when I last read it.  It does make a lot of sense as to why the libel case has been held up as well as the WOC issue being investigated.

AR making that statement has opened a can of worms, so much for the McCanns saying that the PJ and SY are not working together (in their dreams!!)

Whatever the McCanns say you can always take the opposite as the truth.

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Post by TheTruthWillOut 03.05.14 16:47

@Newintown:

It really does put them in a very bad position. Kate looked really scared in the BBC interview.

And I really want to believe that SY is doing a genuine investigation and in the last 10 months or whatever it has been they have checked/eliminated every possibility/lead no matter how preposterous (which the press have had a field day with). 

And now the heat is really being felt.

I could very well be wrong, but think one way or the other the end game is fast approaching.
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Post by ultimaThule 03.05.14 17:57

@suzyjohnson wrote:If SY do conclude that Madeleine is dead (or probably dead) where does this leave things in respect of the libel trial?

At the request of counsel for the McCanns and for reason(s) which were not made public, the trial was adjourned prior to the date (January 7?) set for the hearing of closing arguments after which it would appear the judge further adjourned the proceedings in order that the defence could obtain doumentation from the UK in respect of their request for the issue of the Wardship (of Madeleine Beth McCann) to be evaluated.

The latest news from Lisbon is that documentation has either been submitted to the court or will be submitted shortly, after which I would expect there to be some further delay while the issue is evaluated.  

It will then remain to be seen whether the issue of Wardship causes the McCanns' case to fail or whether the court proceeds to hear closing arguments.  In the event of the latter,  I would expect the defence to argue that NSY's long running investigation has not ruled out, or is moving towards, or has established, the possibility that the child died before she was 'taken' from the apartment as evidenced by Andy Redwood's recent statement.

Having a particular interest in matters of law, and having been engaged in exploring the differences between the judicial systems of England/Wales and Portugal, it is my intention to expound on the above on the libel trial thread in the near future.

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@TheTruthWillOut wrote:@Newintown:

It really does put them in a very bad position. Kate looked really scared in the BBC interview.

And I really want to believe that SY is doing a genuine investigation and in the last 10 months or whatever it has been they have checked/eliminated every possibility/lead no matter how preposterous (which the press have had a field day with). 

And now the heat is really being felt.

I could very well be wrong, but think one way or the other the end game is fast approaching.

I can't see this dragging out much longer either. Both the trial and the SY investigation appear to have very nearly run their course.

I think however, it is strange that the Macs still appear to have confidence in SY, despite Andy R stating that M might not have left the apartment alive. Did that statement not anger them? After all, could it not be argued that that comment also discouraged the search for a living child? Why didn't/don't they seem to be challenging Andy on that?
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@MILLIE wrote:
@TheTruthWillOut wrote:@Newintown:

It really does put them in a very bad position. Kate looked really scared in the BBC interview.

And I really want to believe that SY is doing a genuine investigation and in the last 10 months or whatever it has been they have checked/eliminated every possibility/lead no matter how preposterous (which the press have had a field day with). 

And now the heat is really being felt.

I could very well be wrong, but think one way or the other the end game is fast approaching.

I can't see this dragging out much longer either. Both the trial and the SY investigation appear to have very nearly run their course.

I think however, it is strange that the Macs still appear to have confidence in SY, despite Andy R stating that M might not have left the apartment alive. Did that statement not anger them? After all, could it not be argued that that comment also discouraged the search for a living child? Why didn't/don't they seem to be challenging Andy on that?

Perhaps because they're backed into a corner and their only recourse is to agree with SY and Andy R. If they go off on a rant about not accepting that Madeleine could be dead, this puts them at odds with SY, and at this point it's possible they're still trying to find out what's actually going on in the investigation. If they alienate SY they risk being cut out of the process. Not that I believe they're included in the process to begin with. I think they're being fed a load of tosh by whoever they believe is their "inside person" at SY. IMO, it may even be that CM has been "turned" and is working for SY and feeding Kate and Gerry false info. I don't suppose that's occurred to them....
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Post by Cristobell 03.05.14 21:55

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@MILLIE wrote:
@TheTruthWillOut wrote:@Newintown:

It really does put them in a very bad position. Kate looked really scared in the BBC interview.

And I really want to believe that SY is doing a genuine investigation and in the last 10 months or whatever it has been they have checked/eliminated every possibility/lead no matter how preposterous (which the press have had a field day with). 

And now the heat is really being felt.

I could very well be wrong, but think one way or the other the end game is fast approaching.

I can't see this dragging out much longer either. Both the trial and the SY investigation appear to have very nearly run their course.

I think however, it is strange that the Macs still appear to have confidence in SY, despite Andy R stating that M might not have left the apartment alive. Did that statement not anger them? After all, could it not be argued that that comment also discouraged the search for a living child? Why didn't/don't they seem to be challenging Andy on that?

Perhaps because they're backed into a corner and their only recourse is to agree with SY and Andy R. If they go off on a rant about not accepting that Madeleine could be dead, this puts them at odds with SY, and at this point it's possible they're still trying to find out what's actually going on in the investigation. If they alienate SY they risk being cut out of the process. Not that I believe they're included in the process to begin with. I think they're being fed a load of tosh by whoever they believe is their "inside person" at SY. IMO, it may even be that CM has been "turned" and is working for SY and feeding Kate and Gerry false info. I don't suppose that's occurred to them....
What a terrible position the McCanns must be in, they probably don't know who they can trust.  We have seen many good examples of the McCanns bullying behaviour in public, through their libel actions and extreme form of media monitoring. we can only imagine what the bullying must be like behind the scenes.  Didn't Jane say she was a bit scared of Gerry?

When a bullying regime topples, no one can trusted, and they will all be pointing fingers at each other.  Look how quickly Max Clifford's friends have deserted him.
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Post by Cristobell 03.05.14 22:57

It is being said on twitter that something new is expected to come out on the CMTV programme tonight (starts 2300) - I've asked them to keep us updated.
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Post by ChippyM 03.05.14 22:59

They can't have an angry response to anything AR says because one of their defences all along has been that the nasty, incompetent, foreign PJ. have been hampering the search, out to get them and messed up the investigation...and that is the only reason they were suspects . If AR. has come to some of the same conclusions they can't claim the same defence, so they say nothing.
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Post by HelenMeg 03.05.14 23:03

@ChippyM wrote:They can't have an angry response to anything AR says because one of their defences all along has been that the nasty, incompetent, foreign PJ. have been hampering the search, out to get them and messed up the investigation...and that is the only reason they were suspects . If AR. has come to some of the same conclusions they can't claim the same defence, so they say nothing.
Yes, and to keep their remaining supporters onside they cannot afford to look angry or speak in public against SY. They have no choice but to give the appearance that they are happy with what SY is doing etc. However, we can see from their website that they are a odds with SY investigation. Also, look at their demeanor now and how it has changed from the times when they were defiant and felt protected and above the law. They were smiling, smirking and bullying. Now the tables have turned and they are much meeker and more subdued. They dont know whats going on in either investigation - wonder if their Tapas mates joined them at Rothley today?  Will be surprised if even the Paynes turned up.
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Post by petunia 03.05.14 23:05

According to David steel the dogs,Robert murat, and sexual predators
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Post by Seek truth 03.05.14 23:15

@ChippyM wrote:They can't have an angry response to anything AR says because one of their defences all along has been that the nasty, incompetent, foreign PJ. have been hampering the search, out to get them and messed up the investigation...and that is the only reason they were suspects . If AR. has come to some of the same conclusions they can't claim the same defence, so they say nothing.
Well before they claim the portuguese police were useless, they have to prove it first, because I only find the papers mentioning that nonsense. Does it look like they were doing nothing? there are 11,000 pages out on the net to read ! PJ FILES and AMARAL wrote the book too. 

The mccanns shouldn't complain the whole world helped search aswell.
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