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"The Three Burglars" - A list of reasons why Operation Grange and the government can't be allowed to wrap up the Madeleine McCann case by pinning this on Jose Carlos da Silva, Ricardo Rodrigues & Paulo Riberio

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Have Scotland Yard got the right three men who were responsible for Madeleine's disappearance?

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Re: "The Three Burglars" - A list of reasons why Operation Grange and the government can't be allowed to wrap up the Madeleine McCann case by pinning this on Jose Carlos da Silva, Ricardo Rodrigues & Paulo Riberio

Post by plebgate on 30.04.16 9:51

@MayMuse wrote:https://joana-morais.blogspot.co.uk/2016/04/portuguese-police-did-not-receive-any.html

Another good reason... 

The Portuguese Judiciary Police did not receive from the English authorities, investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, any request concerning the three men linked to thefts in 2007 in the Ocean Club, in Praia da Luz, to be questioned again. Madeleine McCann disappeared on May 3, 2007 from the apartment G5A of the the Ocean Club resort. She was three years old. According to Friday's edition of Telegraph, the British authorities would want to question three men, who had been in the past detained and interrogated (and released).
You think they would have learned by now that PORTUGAL IS WATCHING.

Thanks to Joanna (again).

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Post by Mirage on 30.04.16 10:01

Seconded. And it is the ordinary people of both our countries who will force the truth. Truth is light shone on darkness and so I pay tribute to the efforts of all in this country, in Portugal, and around the world. Uniting us all in that common quest, I venture to name it Operation Luz (Light).

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Post by MayMuse on 01.05.16 0:07

@Mirage 
Yes,yes & yes... Wink what a wonderful quote! 
And it is the ordinary people of both our countries who will force the truth. Truth is light shone on darkness and so I pay tribute to the efforts of all in this country, in Portugal, and around the world. Uniting us all in that common quest, I venture to name it Operation Luz (Light).

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Post by j.rob on 01.05.16 0:13

@NickE wrote:"Madeleine’s mother Kate, 48, and father Gerry, 47, believe the theory she was snatched in a bungled burglary is one of the “most credible” explanations for her disappearance".

It´s not pedophile-ring-gangs-bastards anymore?
Great, then CEOP can bring back the holiday photos to PJ.



This is nothing but a huge farce.

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They would say that thought, wouldn't they? 


It's funny, because it is even less credible than their Tannerman story which no-one believes.

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Post by notlongnow on 02.05.16 1:32

Is there a record of any case ever, where a burglar has taken no goods/money etc and stolen a child instead?

If the police are actually entertaing this line,they are making SY look ridiculous.

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Post by Cmaryholmes on 02.05.16 8:33

I know !! One of the burglars, while burgling , remembered their auntie who can't have babies, always wanted a little girl ( about three years old would be nice) . So they took Madeleine who is living happily ever after with said auntie, and has never come to any harm. Case solved. No more ridiculous than the tales being fed to the public.

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Post by Cakefan64 on 03.05.16 19:09

I have thought for sometime that an attempt might be made to close down the Madeleine McCann case by finding a suitable fall guy to pin the "abduction" on and subsequently get the McCann's off the hook. Three burglars' though, surely they can't make this one stick?
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Post by Mirage on 03.05.16 19:35

@notlongnow wrote:Is there a record of any case ever, where a burglar has taken no goods/money etc and stolen a child instead?

If the police are actually entertaing this line,they are making SY look ridiculous.


Yes notionglow, as luck would have it there is some precedent. Wait 'til SY hear this. Massive relief all round.

"One night when Burglar Bill is out burgling, he comes across a box with holes in the lid on a doorstep. He picks it up of course and when he gets home he discovers, to his horror, that he has stolen a baby. He and the baby muddle along together until one night he is disturbed by a burglar - Burglar Betty. She is the mother of Burglar Bill's baby. Bill and Betty decide to reform and live honest lives; they return all the stolen goods, get married and live happily ever after!"     
 
I bet it turns out to be that soothing couple after all.

It's enough to make Nicola Sturgeon want to take the Scotland out of Scotland Yard.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 17.05.16 13:22

Does this mean that Ex DCI Redwood's 'LONER, stinky, pot bellied, beer promoting T-Shirt wearer, who ONLY 'targets/targetted' very young female British holidaying children, "smellytannedman" is NOT, NOW, a 'suspect' in the mysterious 'disappearance' of a three years old UK 'female' in PDL in 2007?

'HE', not being part of the three 'bungling burglators'....erm, 'gang'

If so, that was a complete 'waste' of a GrimeWatch 'special', wasn't it?.............. Andy!

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Post by Realist on 17.05.16 15:13

@Tony Bennett wrote: OK, I am starting off this thread with eight questions. I hope members here will add to my list:

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What would lead anyone to conclude that the contents of the McCann's apt. warranted the attention of not one, not two, but three burglars. For instance, was there any heavy regency furniture, large sized old Master's painters, cabinets full of Paul Storr, perhaps even Paul de Lamerie silverware to be conveyed to an awaiting removal van. Was there any sophisticated alarms to be bypassed, lifts to be deactivated, 2 metre walls to be drilled through, etc. etc.

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Post by worriedmum on 17.05.16 15:24

And how would SY explain Edie and Keela's alerts?
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Post by jeanmonroe on 17.05.16 16:33

@Realist wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote: OK, I am starting off this thread with eight questions. I hope members here will add to my list:

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What would lead anyone to conclude that the contents of the McCann's apt. warranted the attention of not one, not two, but three burglars. For instance, was there any heavy regency furniture, large sized old Master's painters, cabinets full of Paul Storr, perhaps even Paul de Lamerie silverware to be conveyed to an awaiting removal van. Was there any sophisticated alarms to be bypassed, lifts to be deactivated, 2 metre walls to be drilled through, etc. etc.

None of the 'above' but..................there WERE 'valuable' cameras, passports, money, keys (quick phone call to UK, 'get round McS they are all here in Portugal'), watches (?) .....................NONE of which were 'taken'

Oh yeah, there were also THREE 'kiddies', ALL under 4 years old, left ALONE in that, diliberately and consciously, willingly and knowingly, UNLOCKED apartment!

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Post by Realist on 17.05.16 17:14

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Oh yeah, there were also THREE 'kiddies', ALL under 4 years old, left ALONE in that, diliberately and consciously, willingly and knowingly, UNLOCKED apartment!
I think that the general consensus of opinion, Jean, is that there were only two 'kiddies'  left alone in their apt. on the evening of the 3rd. inst. May 2007 and that they probably weren't left alone as long as the McCanns would have us believe.

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Post by Guest on 17.05.16 19:17

@Tony Bennett wrote: OK, I am starting off this thread with eight questions. I hope members here will add to my list:

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3. Does Scotland Yard have any forensic evidence whatsoever from the McCanns’ apartment linking any of these three men to their alleged presence in that apartment that night? – No forensic evidence of an intruder has ever been found

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There was no Portuguese DNA database to match against in 2007.
 

The first DNA match in Portugal was in 2012. 

Arguidos are not required to provide DNA unless a judge enforces it, based on evidence.  DNA is seldom taken in Portugal.  It requires a court conviction, a sentence of 3 years plus, and a judge deciding it is appropriate. 

OG does not have a DNA match, otherwise the 3 men would be in jail.
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