Breaking News on Sky News - SY back in PDL suspects to be interviewed

ChippyM wrote:How big are these rats?  Could they have carried off a rather small 4 year old?  

FrankS wrote:

Justformaddie wrote:

whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:

Daryl Dixon wrote:
As I've posted before, it's my belief that the original dog alerts have been invalidated or discredited in some way and therefore are immaterial to the current investigation.

Do you have any evidence to base this belief on?

Has this happened?

Of course it has not happened.

It's Daryl's BELIEF. That is all.

The only persons to discredit the dogs are the 'unreliable' Mccanns.

Plus the shills. Noticed on Twitter that the shills are now saying that apt 5a was infested with RATS. According to them, Rats give off a similar smell like Seabass to Cadaver or some rubbish like that. Clutching at straws to try and discredit the dogs.

The dogs are never wrong. Simple.

HelenMeg wrote:

NickE wrote:

FrankS wrote:From Brunty - 54 mins ago.

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[ltr]#Madeleine Cops apparently have examined a car used by one of four suspects at the time Madeleine McCann vanished. Witnesses being quizzed[/ltr]

Did anyone outside the investigation saw this with their own Eyes?
By the way,where is McCann's Renault today?

What, after John Geraghty kindly gave it a home in one of his garages? I think we can assume it has been thoroughly fumigated, forensically cleaned and probably its interior replaced.

Woofer wrote:
Daryl Dixon`s thoughts on the dogs (or Grime) being discredited is not impossible.  It will have to happen if a whitewash is on the cards.  A few years ago someone wrote a long piece on some blog or forum which really dissed Grime.

whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:

Woofer wrote:
Daryl Dixon`s thoughts on the dogs (or Grime) being discredited is not impossible.  It will have to happen if a whitewash is on the cards.  A few years ago someone wrote a long piece on some blog or forum which really dissed Grime.

Nonetheless still just a belief not based on evidence, as far as I know.

whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:

Woofer wrote:
Daryl Dixon`s thoughts on the dogs (or Grime) being discredited is not impossible.  It will have to happen if a whitewash is on the cards.  A few years ago someone wrote a long piece on some blog or forum which really dissed Grime.

Nonetheless still just a belief not based on evidence, as far as I know.

Justformaddie wrote:Who in their right mind would keep a car that is supposed to have been in contact with the body of a worldwide known child? Sm had his car burnt out in 2008 didn't he, would that have been kept?

pennylane wrote:Erm, so the rats only hung out in the McCanns apartment for some reason.  Perhaps they sensed they were among friends? 

NickE wrote:

FrankS wrote:From Brunty - 54 mins ago.

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[ltr]#Madeleine Cops apparently have examined a car used by one of four suspects at the time Madeleine McCann vanished. Witnesses being quizzed[/ltr]

Did anyone outside the investigation saw this with their own Eyes?
By the way,where is McCann's Renault today?

whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:

Woofer wrote:
Daryl Dixon`s thoughts on the dogs (or Grime) being discredited is not impossible.  It will have to happen if a whitewash is on the cards.  A few years ago someone wrote a long piece on some blog or forum which really dissed Grime.

Nonetheless still just a belief not based on evidence, as far as I know.

woodforthetrees wrote:All fingers are pointing to Roland Rat... yet another 80's and 90's childrens tv presenter with a tendancy to do unthinkable things with minors

Case solved!

 

aquila wrote:Both the UK police and the PJ discredited the dogs imo. The dogs alerted to specific items and specific places. None of these items were impounded for long.

Cuddlecat, Kate's trousers etc were returned to her. Apartment 5a was returned to its owner. The Renault car was returned to its owner. Some will say this is usual. I don't believe that and for the very reason that it's well known forensic technology improves year on year and both the car and the apartment were potential crime scenes - these were a hire car and a hired out apartment. I have never understood why the  PJ didn't keep hold of apartment 5a and the car - just as I don't understand why there has never been any mention of UK police advising them to do so. It's all a bit too convenient for me.

The millions pumped into the limited company didn't spur 'the big boys' employed by the McCanns to buy/rent the apartment or the car.

I believe the car has gone to the knackers yard and I'd love to know who owns the apartment now and how its owner Mrs McCann (not related) has been recompensed or suffered?

Just my opinion.

Okeydokey wrote:
The problem with the current NSY investigation is that they haven't explained why they are ignoring the evidence of the dogs, in other words, why they think the dogs inaccurately signalled on 7, I think it was, occasions in relation the McCanns' car, apartment and belongings.

Equally they haven't explained why they believe the Tapas 9 version despite glaring inconsistencies, including their failure to act on Jane Tanner's alleged sighting of the adduction which she had shared with others in the group by a few minutes after 10pm according to their own account, the failure to knock on Mrs Fenn's door and ask whether she had seen anything etc etc.

whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:

Okeydokey wrote:
The problem with the current NSY investigation is that they haven't explained why they are ignoring the evidence of the dogs, in other words, why they think the dogs inaccurately signalled on 7, I think it was, occasions in relation the McCanns' car, apartment and belongings.

Equally they haven't explained why they believe the Tapas 9 version despite glaring inconsistencies, including their failure to act on Jane Tanner's alleged sighting of the adduction which she had shared with others in the group by a few minutes after 10pm according to their own account, the failure to knock on Mrs Fenn's door and ask whether she had seen anything etc etc.

You appear to have reliable sources placed inside Operation Grange, please do share with the rest of us.  Or perhaps what you've said above isn't fact at all, but your own perception of events?

1.1. The sofa

The alleged similarity between hairs found on the discarded sofa and in Apartment 5A is only theoretical. Since no DNA had been obtained in 2007 from S.M. the only comparison that could be done in the Lisbon lab was to extract and analyse the MtDNA from the hairs and place them in the relevant Haplotype groups.

Haplotype X - apart. Ocean Club e sofa of 1-seat in the garage in Portimao 
Haplotype Y - apart. Ocean Club e sofa of 1-seat in the garage in Portimao 
Haplotype Z - Residencia Liliana e sofa of 1-seat in the garage in Portimao

But since there are only a certain number of haplotypes it is of absolute no relevance if the same haplotype is found in two different spots.

There was also a similarity of hairs in a completely unrelated apartment in Burgau and Apartment 5A. And if my hair was tested I am sure my haplotype would fit one of the hairs found in 5A as well.

1.2. The hearsay

The statement concerning the alleged overheard conversation regarding a body that had to be disposed of was neither made to the PJ nor is it part of the original rogatory process and can therefore only have been made to one of the McCann's private investigators. How much credibility does this have if it was the then suspects PI's that "unearthed" this statement? The credibility of Metodo 3 (and I suspect it was them) has been at it's height when they promised Maddie to be back by Christmas and has since lost considerably...

1.3. The arson

This was a crime directed at the Arguido, the burning of his car and the framing of him. Wouldn't it be a good idea to try and find out who did it and why, instead of turning the victim of a crime into a suspect of another crime because he had been a victim in the first place?
Do we have to point out that this crime was committed during the reign of Metodo 3?

2.1 The burglarizer

In the list of employees of the Ocean Club there is the word "furto" attached to the Arguido's name, written by the PJ investigation which means "theft". But so it is with 2 other persons that are not being targeted by Scotland Yard. Of course it is normal that people that have been charged previously with some kind of offence should be investigated, but this had obviously been done by the PJ who came up with no connection. We should not forget that NOTHING was taken from 5A exept the body of a little girl.

2.2 The phonecalls

The only phonecall relating to J.S. in the released PJ files is to the number allegedly belonging to R.R. at 21:51. Nothing else.

2.4. The residence

J.S. lives in Edificio Luztur in Rua Primero do Maio. The Smith sighting was in Rua 25 de Abril roughly 350 metre away, in no way a suspicious distance in such a small town if you live in the centre and not in some ex-pat area.

2.5. The e-fit

The person who allegedly helped to draw up this e-fit was 60-80% convinced that it had been Gerry McCann who he had seen. The fact that the e-fit had been hidden by the McCanns for years and the sighting covered-up weighs heavy against the possible similarity of somebody's face to an e-fit done by private investigators of the then suspects.

Acting strangely might be excused when you are suffering from schizophrenia. Apart from that we have the same MO of the then accused's PI's contacting witnesses and getting e-fits done. Not in any way an independent source. Phonecalls are not in the files

Having been only 16 years at the time of the "disappearance" he is supposed to fit the description of a witness who described a man 18-20 years of age as being a charity collector, which in itself is not a crime, at least not outside the Metodo world.

This and the one phonecall that can be found in the files should be sufficient to drag this young man in front of the vicious british media? I think not.

ultimaThule wrote:

lj wrote:

Cristobell wrote:

ultimaThule wrote:

Cristobell wrote:I think if the McCanns had help, they would never have used the hire car to move the body - that was an act of desperation, Mark Harrison was due to arrive to conduct thorough searches.  The McCanns are both doctors, so too some of their friends, they would have worked with cadavers as students and would be familiar with the smell they leave behind, using their own car was incredibly risky, and not something they would have done if they had another option (a helper).

We are talking about the death of a child here.  How likely is it that the parents would have trusted complete strangers? Why would Malenka or Murat get involved in such a heinous crime to assist people they don't know in the disposal of a child's body?  What were the chances of the McCanns holidaying in a small Portuguese resort, that they had never been to before, finding such hardened criminals among the locals?

I have watched Hideho's video of Malenka, he has no criminal record and as a 'normal' man, its not in the least surprising that he had porn on his computer.

I agree with others, who think SY are ticking boxes created by the McCanns.  They tried their damnest to pin the crime on Robert Murat, and they will clutch any straw that might get them off the hook.

While I incline to the view that the McCanns did not have help when moving the body, you have made a number of assertions that I cannot agree with, Cristobell, as:

1. Medical students do not dissect decomposed cadavers and the predominant odour in the path lab is that of formaldehyde,

I believe doctors would be familiar with the smell of cadaverine.  You don't.  That's fine.  Should add Doctors are often called out to certify a death, and such is life, bodies are not always 'fresh' - particularly among the elderly and those who live alone, where they can go undiscovered for hours, days, weeks.

2, 'Normal' men don't keep porn on their computers and I would regard any man that does with suspicion. .  

I recently watched a documentary about teens and porn.  About 99% of the boys said the first thing they looked up online was porn.  It made me laugh.  Most men (and some women) like porn, that's a fact - the porn industry would not exist if they didn't.

3.  The absence of a criminal record is no indication of probity as all convicted criminals once had no record of offending and some long practising criminals die with a clean sheet.

Indeed. But one of the defences used by the McCanns is their lack of previous.  We may as well completely scrap the CRB forms, if they are meaningless as you say.  Unfortunately it is one of the few ways we have in judging a person's character, and on the whole, it proves effective.

4.. Gerry had been to Portugal before the couple's MW holiday and the McCanns, together with the twins and an older female child, were allegedly seen on a beach close to PDL at Easter 2007.


Yes, I read he had been on a golfing holiday to the Algarve, but as far as I know he did not stay in PDL, nor was he familiar with the area. I'm happy to be proved wrong, but I've never seen anything to suggest he had been there before.  As for the 'alleged' sighting in Easter 2007, I'll file that under Stephen Birch etc.    

Medical students do have to attend necropsies, as have most doctors.  Some might very well be garther in the decomposition process. I doubt if they had any idea about how long dogs can still find that smell.

Attending autopsies, or necropsies as you prefer to call them, is not part of the curriculum in UK medical schools, lj, and many thousands of practising doctors have never set foot in a mortuary or viewed, let alone performed, an autopsy,.  In those med schools where anatomy continues to be learned using traditional methods as opposed to videos and computers, dissections are carried out on previously prepared cadavers in the anatomy lab where, as I have said, the overwhelming odour is that of formaldehyde.  

Although this links to the site of a USA med school, the process of preparing and supplying cadavers for dissection is no different to that which is practised in the UK:  http://www.indiana.edu/~rcapub/v18n1/p17.html

Cristobell does not appear to be aware that in cases where a body has lain undiscovered for days/weeks or more, the police call on specially trained police surgeons (also known as forensic physicians) who work on a rota system providing a 24 hr service every day of the year.   These doctors may also be practising GPs but are highly unlikely to be the GPs of the 'patients' they are called on to attend.  

Cristobell has also overlooked the fact that as the odour of a decomposing corpse is rarely detectable to the human nose until 24 hours or more after death, it's perfectly possible for hospital and other doctors to go from med school through to retirement without having been exposed to that distinct odour which, once it has assailed the nostrils, can never be forgotten.