CRIMEWATCH Update on MadeleineMcCann case tonight 19th March

noddy100 wrote:

Doug D wrote:Recapping on the Guardian reports, for which there has been no retraction, apology or denial as far as I can see:
 
The Guardian, Wednesday 19 March 2014 18.13 GMT
Sandra Laville
 
Madeleine McCann: a breakthrough that could be devastating
Identifying a series of attacks has proved the key to similar cases. But it could mean an end to hopes that Madeleine is alive
                                   
‘…………. Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood admitted that what they have uncovered means Madeleine might not have left the apartment alive’.
 
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/19/madeleine-mccann-breakthrough-attacks-family

21.03 James Meikle
 
‘Redwood said the assumption that Madeleine had been alive when she left the apartment" may not follow with all our thinking" on the case’.
 
So if even the possibility that ‘Madeleine might not have left the apartment alive’ is now being entertained by Redwood, has he not effectively accepted that this does completely for all the T9 checking stories, by pushing a death timeline back to before 8.30 (10.00 less 90 minutes needed for cadaver odour to develop) which is of course about the time the Mc’s left 5a?

I don't think in their eyes it does move the timeline back as they aren't using the cadaver odour as a fact 
I think they are just saying he killed her and carried her away as a possibility as there is no reference to the dogs or DNA etc
If there was then we would be home and dry

Clay Regazzoni wrote:

dantezebu wrote:

He is a certainly a mysterious character.
Does anyone know what DP did before medical school?
He qualified in 1994, which by my calculations made him 28 at the time ( he was 41 in 2007). About 4-5 years later than if he had gone directly after school.

I know it might appear from the text that he was referring to Payne here, but I don't think he was the "mysterious character". We know who he is, for a start! I think Payne's alleged predelictions (which I'm not convinced of myself, BTW) was more meant to be indicative of the kind of circles they moved in.

dantezebu wrote:

Clay Regazzoni wrote:

dantezebu wrote:

He is a certainly a mysterious character.
Does anyone know what DP did before medical school?
He qualified in 1994, which by my calculations made him 28 at the time ( he was 41 in 2007). About 4-5 years later than if he had gone directly after school.

I know it might appear from the text that he was referring to Payne here, but I don't think he was the "mysterious character". We know who he is, for a start! I think Payne's alleged predelictions (which I'm not convinced of myself, BTW) was more meant to be indicative of the kind of circles they moved in.

I was assuming it was DP because he also recently described him  as a very "enigmatic character"

HelenMeg wrote:Christobell
Were our celebratory drinks yesterday in vain or overly optimistic?

russiandoll wrote:with thanks to [email=Johanna@unterdenteppichgekehrt]Johanna@unterdenteppichgekehrt[/email] blog


  Britain's Finest

http://www.tvi24.iol.pt/videos/video/14109980/1


Scotland Yard speaks of new data that has been collected by the English investigation. But the Judiciary Police has another version.

The thesis that points towards a suspect of alleged sexual attacks against British children in the Algarve is nothing but the investigation line that was defined by the PJ team in Oporto, which reviewed the entire process.

A source at the Judiciary Police asserts that this was the line that was the basis for the reopening of the inquiry, in October last year.

This means that what has just been announced in England is part of the Portuguese process, which is under judicial secrecy. A secret that had been well kept until now and that was breached, which may weaken the trust between both police forces.

This information was given by the PJ itself to the British police and to the McCann couple, during a meeting at the Judiciary Police’s National Directory, in Lisbon.

There is an agreement between both police forces: they regularly meet in Portugal. They exchange information about the development of the investigations into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

The PJ has always kept silent about what happens during these meetings that take place behind closed doors. A stance that is being kept: Officially, the National Directory does not comment Scotland Yard’s statement.



Thank you Astro for the translation

So it could be TM leaking all this info, or have I not understood this properly

annysmithgold wrote:

russiandoll wrote:with thanks to [email=Johanna@unterdenteppichgekehrt]Johanna@unterdenteppichgekehrt[/email] blog


  Britain's Finest

http://www.tvi24.iol.pt/videos/video/14109980/1


Scotland Yard speaks of new data that has been collected by the English investigation. But the Judiciary Police has another version.

The thesis that points towards a suspect of alleged sexual attacks against British children in the Algarve is nothing but the investigation line that was defined by the PJ team in Oporto, which reviewed the entire process.

A source at the Judiciary Police asserts that this was the line that was the basis for the reopening of the inquiry, in October last year.

This means that what has just been announced in England is part of the Portuguese process, which is under judicial secrecy. A secret that had been well kept until now and that was breached, which may weaken the trust between both police forces.

There is an agreement between both police forces: they regularly meet in Portugal. They exchange information about the development of the investigations into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

The PJ has always kept silent about what happens during these meetings that take place behind closed doors. A stance that is being kept: Officially, the National Directory does not comment Scotland Yard’s statement.
This information was given by the PJ itself to the British police and to the McCann couple, during a meeting at the Judiciary Police’s National Directory, in Lisbon.




 Thank you Astro for the translation

So it could be TM leaking all this info, or have I not understood this properly

russiandoll wrote:re  "  whats this about???? why are they keeping the mccanns up to date? "


 My guess is that both forces have agreed that sadly their daughter is almost certainly deceased and this was their update late last year.

 Since October, have the Met shown the age progressed picture afaik in any statements/appeals for info?

russiandoll wrote:My guess is that both forces have agreed that sadly their daughter is almost certainly deceased and this was their update late last year.

Since October, have the Met shown the age progressed picture afaik in any statements/appeals for info?

Mirage wrote:

Clay Regazzoni wrote:

dantezebu wrote:

He is a certainly a mysterious character.
Does anyone know what DP did before medical school?
He qualified in 1994, which by my calculations made him 28 at the time ( he was 41 in 2007). About 4-5 years later than if he had gone directly after school.

I know it might appear from the text that he was referring to Payne here, but I don't think he was the "mysterious character". We know who he is, for a start! I think Payne's alleged predelictions (which I'm not convinced of myself, BTW) was more meant to be indicative of the kind of circles they moved in.

Nipple circles?

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Woofer wrote:

Doesn`t look pot bellied to me.

Woofer wrote:

Doesn`t look pot bellied to me.

Doug D wrote:I wrote (9.26):
 
So if even the possibility that ‘Madeleine might not have left the apartment alive’ is now being entertained by Redwood, has he not effectively accepted that this does completely for all the T9 checking stories, by pushing a death timeline back to before 8.30 (10.00 less 90 minutes needed for cadaver odour to develop) which is of course about the time the Mc’s left 5a?
 
Noddy100 (9.29):
 
I don't think in their eyes it does move the timeline back as they aren't using the cadaver odour as a fact 
I think they are just saying he killed her and carried her away as a possibility as there is no reference to the dogs or DNA etc
If there was then we would be home and dry
 


But is Redwood not backing himself further & further into the corner, even if he has not realized it himself yet?
The evidence from the dogs is out there, even if he he chooses not to acknowledge or use it at this time.
The possible death of M. in the apartment has now been acknowledged, which has to be before the 10.00 ‘abduction’ call, so it has surely now got to be only a matter of time before the next chapter, when the 90 minute cadaver lead-time comes into play, blowing all of the TM stories out of the water.

aquila wrote:@Mirage. Your posts make my day - everyday.

@PeterMac. You alluded to the fact that surely Scotland Yard/Redwood might fear whistleblowers. I can't find the post but I'd like to give my tuppenceworth on it. Whistleblowing really does depend on what you've had to sign in terms of confidentiality doesn't it?

Clay Regazzoni wrote:

Woofer wrote:

Doesn`t look pot bellied to me.

To be fair, he is tanned though. You know how tanned the ace of spades is? That's how tanned he is.

MILLIE wrote:
This man was VERY definitely not 'tanned'. He was black. Tanned people are fairer skinned people who have been tanned by the sun or sunbeds or skin colourants. Black people do not describe themselves as tanned any more than white people would describe themselves as pink.