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REASONS TO BE CHEERFUL by Dr Martin Roberts
Reasons to be Cheerful
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By Dr Martin Roberts
27 July 2013
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By Dr Martin Roberts
27 July 2013
REASONS TO BE CHEERFUL
John Twomey (writing in the Daily Express, 26 July 2013):
GM: "It's taken a tremendous amount of pressure off us as a family to have that support now and to know people are now actively looking."
So why didn't the McCanns do exactly that, at the time and afterwards? Tia Sharp's father couldn't wait to look for his missing daughter, and he was nowhere near the vicinity when she disappeared. And what were Messrs. Edward and Cowley doing to earn their salaries exactly.
At last people are 'actively looking.' But for whom? And for what?
Timesonline (Steve Bird and David Brown in Praia da Luz and Adam Fresco, May 24, 2007) was among a number of newspapers to carry a report of what has become known as the 'last photo':
"The picture was taken at 2.29pm on May 3 - Mrs McCann's camera clock is one hour out so the display reads 1.29pm."
Precise EXIF data derived from the exposure include:
'Date/Time Digitized 2007:05:03 13:29:51+01:00'
On Sept. 6, 2007, Kate McCann made a lengthy statement to police which included the following observations:
"... they went to the apartment for lunch .... This would be around 12:35/12:40 .... Lunch lasted around 20 minutes. After finishing lunch they stayed for a while at the apartment, then they went to the recreation area .... They remained at this area for about an hour, maybe more, then they left the twins at the crèche next to the Tapas and both of them took Madeleine to the other crèche.
"After leaving Madeleine at around 2:50 p.m., they both had, once more, a tennis lesson."
In her more recent book (Madeleine, p.66) she claims: "Together we took Sean and Amelie back to the Toddler Club at around 2.40 p.m. and dropped Madeleine off with the Minis ten minutes later." (The times entered in the two crèche registers are 2.45 p.m. and 2.50 p.m. respectively).
Ten minutes, during which to dry and dress five pairs of feet ("We then sat round the toddler pool for a while, dipping our feet in, and I took what has turned out to be my last photograph to date of Madeleine"), leaving six minutes to reach the crèche. Not impossible. But is it likely?
Kate McCann (again in 'Madeleine'): "Some images are etched for all time on my brain. Madeleine that lunchtime is one of them. She was wearing an outfit I'd bought especially for her holiday: a peach-coloured smock top from Gap and some white broderie-anglaise shorts from Monsoon – a small extravagance, perhaps, but I'd pictured how lovely she would look in them and I'd been right. She was striding ahead of Fiona and me, swinging her bare arms to and fro. The weather was a little on the cool side and I remember thinking I should have brought a cardigan for her, although she seemed oblivious of the temperature, just happy and carefree."
How curious? Kate thought Madeleine might have benefitted from a cardigan that afternoon, but not so Amelie, who was sitting immediately alongside her elder sister at the pool and likewise dressed in a short-sleeved top. Gerry too seemed oblivious to the temperature, although dressed only in his t-shirt (the one he is seen wearing aboard the airport transfer bus on the day of arrival) and shorts. Gerry was impervious to both hot and cold it appears, as the body that had just spent five days playing tennis in the sun had just about as much colour as one might expect to get from a Sunday spent dining out in the back garden.
Anyway, a proud mother allows herself a 'small extravagance' over her daughter's holiday wardrobe - then waits five days before she reveals it, barely 48 hrs. before the family are due to return home?
No, no. Madeleine must have worn her special holiday outfit prior to May 3. But then Kate ought not to have been pleasantly surprised by the confirmation of her own fashion sense that afternoon at the pool, where she describes herself as having previously 'pictured' Madeleine in her new outfit. Surely by Thursday she would already have seen Madeleine in her Gap-Monsoon ensemble at least once? (She'd been wearing her Disney pyjamas all week after all). And if Madeleine looked so lovely in her designer outfit on Thursday, she would have looked no less lovely when wearing it beforehand, and no less photographically tempting. Yet it took Kate until Thursday to seize the moment, despite being prepared to run back to their apartment to fetch her camera in order to take a snap of Madeleine holding some tennis balls ("She looked so gorgeous in her little T-shirt and shorts, pink hat, ankle socks and new holiday sandals that I ran back to our apartment for my camera to record the occasion").
Although Kate attributes this photograph of hers to the Tuesday (ruling out Rachel Oldfield or Jane Tanner's claim to it, whilst contradicting the Ocean Club's own timetable, which shows mini-tennis scheduled for the Monday) Madeleine's new holiday sandals were clearly unveiled at the commencement of the holiday, not nearer its conclusion. Perhaps by the Thursday Kate had already pictured Madeleine looking lovely in her designer wear after all.
John Twomey (writing in the Daily Express, 26 July 2013):
GM: "It's taken a tremendous amount of pressure off us as a family to have that support now and to know people are now actively looking."
So why didn't the McCanns do exactly that, at the time and afterwards? Tia Sharp's father couldn't wait to look for his missing daughter, and he was nowhere near the vicinity when she disappeared. And what were Messrs. Edward and Cowley doing to earn their salaries exactly.
At last people are 'actively looking.' But for whom? And for what?
Timesonline (Steve Bird and David Brown in Praia da Luz and Adam Fresco, May 24, 2007) was among a number of newspapers to carry a report of what has become known as the 'last photo':
"The picture was taken at 2.29pm on May 3 - Mrs McCann's camera clock is one hour out so the display reads 1.29pm."
Precise EXIF data derived from the exposure include:
'Date/Time Digitized 2007:05:03 13:29:51+01:00'
On Sept. 6, 2007, Kate McCann made a lengthy statement to police which included the following observations:
"... they went to the apartment for lunch .... This would be around 12:35/12:40 .... Lunch lasted around 20 minutes. After finishing lunch they stayed for a while at the apartment, then they went to the recreation area .... They remained at this area for about an hour, maybe more, then they left the twins at the crèche next to the Tapas and both of them took Madeleine to the other crèche.
"After leaving Madeleine at around 2:50 p.m., they both had, once more, a tennis lesson."
In her more recent book (Madeleine, p.66) she claims: "Together we took Sean and Amelie back to the Toddler Club at around 2.40 p.m. and dropped Madeleine off with the Minis ten minutes later." (The times entered in the two crèche registers are 2.45 p.m. and 2.50 p.m. respectively).
Ten minutes, during which to dry and dress five pairs of feet ("We then sat round the toddler pool for a while, dipping our feet in, and I took what has turned out to be my last photograph to date of Madeleine"), leaving six minutes to reach the crèche. Not impossible. But is it likely?
Kate McCann (again in 'Madeleine'): "Some images are etched for all time on my brain. Madeleine that lunchtime is one of them. She was wearing an outfit I'd bought especially for her holiday: a peach-coloured smock top from Gap and some white broderie-anglaise shorts from Monsoon – a small extravagance, perhaps, but I'd pictured how lovely she would look in them and I'd been right. She was striding ahead of Fiona and me, swinging her bare arms to and fro. The weather was a little on the cool side and I remember thinking I should have brought a cardigan for her, although she seemed oblivious of the temperature, just happy and carefree."
How curious? Kate thought Madeleine might have benefitted from a cardigan that afternoon, but not so Amelie, who was sitting immediately alongside her elder sister at the pool and likewise dressed in a short-sleeved top. Gerry too seemed oblivious to the temperature, although dressed only in his t-shirt (the one he is seen wearing aboard the airport transfer bus on the day of arrival) and shorts. Gerry was impervious to both hot and cold it appears, as the body that had just spent five days playing tennis in the sun had just about as much colour as one might expect to get from a Sunday spent dining out in the back garden.
Anyway, a proud mother allows herself a 'small extravagance' over her daughter's holiday wardrobe - then waits five days before she reveals it, barely 48 hrs. before the family are due to return home?
No, no. Madeleine must have worn her special holiday outfit prior to May 3. But then Kate ought not to have been pleasantly surprised by the confirmation of her own fashion sense that afternoon at the pool, where she describes herself as having previously 'pictured' Madeleine in her new outfit. Surely by Thursday she would already have seen Madeleine in her Gap-Monsoon ensemble at least once? (She'd been wearing her Disney pyjamas all week after all). And if Madeleine looked so lovely in her designer outfit on Thursday, she would have looked no less lovely when wearing it beforehand, and no less photographically tempting. Yet it took Kate until Thursday to seize the moment, despite being prepared to run back to their apartment to fetch her camera in order to take a snap of Madeleine holding some tennis balls ("She looked so gorgeous in her little T-shirt and shorts, pink hat, ankle socks and new holiday sandals that I ran back to our apartment for my camera to record the occasion").
Although Kate attributes this photograph of hers to the Tuesday (ruling out Rachel Oldfield or Jane Tanner's claim to it, whilst contradicting the Ocean Club's own timetable, which shows mini-tennis scheduled for the Monday) Madeleine's new holiday sandals were clearly unveiled at the commencement of the holiday, not nearer its conclusion. Perhaps by the Thursday Kate had already pictured Madeleine looking lovely in her designer wear after all.
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I am sure Clarence Mitchell MP (prospective) wil have an explanation. After all there is an explanation for everything . . .
Picking away at the details until they bleed is classic detective work.
Picking away at the details until they bleed is classic detective work.
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I am always intrigued by this photo. On (I think) 12th June 2007 GM was wearing these exact clothes, glasses etc and looked just as sunburned. Amelie was wearing the exact same shirt on that day as in this photo except that it was pink. ([You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]) Interestingly, it is the work of 5 minutes on photoshop to turn a pink shirt orange using the hue/saturation tool - I've done it easily and I'm no expert. I find it interesting also because of the little flecks of pink that still can be seen on the orange shirt especially around the tassels.
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Kate is such a prol. Always trying to get in that she buys "the best". She thinks it makes her look good.
How sad really, completely devoid of real motherly feelings.
How sad really, completely devoid of real motherly feelings.
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The strange thing is though
' ........... Some images are etched for all time on my brain. Madeleine that lunchtime is one of them. She was wearing an outfit I'd bought especially for her holiday: a peach-coloured smock top from Gap and some white broderie-anglaise shorts from Monsoon ...........'
The top in the picture is actually pink
' ........... Some images are etched for all time on my brain. Madeleine that lunchtime is one of them. She was wearing an outfit I'd bought especially for her holiday: a peach-coloured smock top from Gap and some white broderie-anglaise shorts from Monsoon ...........'
The top in the picture is actually pink
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I've always found the photo odd, as in, the picture just doesn't look right. Yet I can't exactly put my finger on the problem.
IMO the most common fault with general snaps is not getting your picture level, yet this is spot on. Now if you're good at taking level pictures, imo it follows you're not too bad at getting the composition of the subject(s) pretty good too. However the composition, as it is, is pretty pants, three people in a snap you sort of give each person a third of the picture each (which it doesn't). But oddly enough (looking at the small sized picture) if you place your finger over Maddie and just have Jerry and one twin, the picture composition isn't too bad for a holiday snap.
Therefore IMO the picture has been cropped for whatever reason or it's been tampered with to add MM.
IMO the most common fault with general snaps is not getting your picture level, yet this is spot on. Now if you're good at taking level pictures, imo it follows you're not too bad at getting the composition of the subject(s) pretty good too. However the composition, as it is, is pretty pants, three people in a snap you sort of give each person a third of the picture each (which it doesn't). But oddly enough (looking at the small sized picture) if you place your finger over Maddie and just have Jerry and one twin, the picture composition isn't too bad for a holiday snap.
Therefore IMO the picture has been cropped for whatever reason or it's been tampered with to add MM.
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What I find odd is that the sun must be directly overhead to cast the shadows it does (directly under the sun lounger) but at 2.29 surely the shadows should be longer?
(Leave aside for anotehr topic the selfishness of and adult wearing sunglasses for protection against bright sunshine, while the girls' eyes are unprotected.)
(Leave aside for anotehr topic the selfishness of and adult wearing sunglasses for protection against bright sunshine, while the girls' eyes are unprotected.)
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Wahrheit wrote:I am always intrigued by this photo. On (I think) 12th June 2007 GM was wearing these exact clothes, glasses etc and looked just as sunburned. Amelie was wearing the exact same shirt on that day as in this photo except that it was pink. ([You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]) Interestingly, it is the work of 5 minutes on photoshop to turn a pink shirt orange using the hue/saturation tool - I've done it easily and I'm no expert. I find it interesting also because of the little flecks of pink that still can be seen on the orange shirt especially around the tassels.
its a pink t shirt with orange tassels!
Do we really need another ridiculous faked photos thread?....
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Is there an original 'ridiculous faked photos thread' ? I must have missed it, yet I have been following here since day 1.Lostfridge wrote:Wahrheit wrote:I am always intrigued by this photo. On (I think) 12th June 2007 GM was wearing these exact clothes, glasses etc and looked just as sunburned. Amelie was wearing the exact same shirt on that day as in this photo except that it was pink. ([You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]) Interestingly, it is the work of 5 minutes on photoshop to turn a pink shirt orange using the hue/saturation tool - I've done it easily and I'm no expert. I find it interesting also because of the little flecks of pink that still can be seen on the orange shirt especially around the tassels.
its a pink t shirt with orange tassels!
Do we really need another ridiculous faked photos thread?....
The only other photo threads that I have seen show how many of the photos have been clearly faked.
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Did anyone investigate when (or even whether) Gap & Monsoon actually stocked Madeleine's outfit?
It fits her very well which makes me think that the outfit is old. If you were buying a child an "extravagant" outfit, or any outfit for that matter, wouldn't you make sure that there is plenty of room for them to grow into it?
It fits her very well which makes me think that the outfit is old. If you were buying a child an "extravagant" outfit, or any outfit for that matter, wouldn't you make sure that there is plenty of room for them to grow into it?
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bobbin wrote:Is there an original 'ridiculous faked photos thread' ? I must have missed it, yet I have been following here since day 1.Lostfridge wrote:Wahrheit wrote:I am always intrigued by this photo. On (I think) 12th June 2007 GM was wearing these exact clothes, glasses etc and looked just as sunburned. Amelie was wearing the exact same shirt on that day as in this photo except that it was pink. ([You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]) Interestingly, it is the work of 5 minutes on photoshop to turn a pink shirt orange using the hue/saturation tool - I've done it easily and I'm no expert. I find it interesting also because of the little flecks of pink that still can be seen on the orange shirt especially around the tassels.
its a pink t shirt with orange tassels!
Do we really need another ridiculous faked photos thread?....
The only other photo threads that I have seen show how many of the photos have been clearly faked.
bobbin, yes there is a photo thread, 103 pages of it......
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Also this one....
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photoshopping or not, I find the following significant regarding this photograph : [ bold mine ]
A child with coloboma will receive specialist care at hospital during the early years to monitor the effect of the coloboma and their eye health. The frequency of these checks will depend on the child's needs. Children who have coloboma can be more at risk of glaucoma (increased eye pressure) and retinal detachment. There are treatments for both of these conditions which the hospital would explore with you.
If your child's eye health is stable and no further complications appear then they will usually attend an eye test every six months up to the age of seven years and then annually. These eye tests will usually take place with an optician or orthoptist.
Children with coloboma may need glasses. Glasses cannot correct the vision problems caused by the coloboma. However, glasses can correct short-sightedness or long-sightedness which can help to correct the parts of vision that haven't been affected by coloboma.
Sometimes cosmetic contact lenses may be considered at a later stage. These can help to make the pupil look round rather than keyhole shaped.
Prescription sunglasses due to the light-sensitivity may also be suggested, as may some low vision aids and equipment to help a child make the most of their sight.
Also, considering the prominence given to this eye defect by the parents, medical records would contain information re Maddie's eye.
It looks much more than a fleck on the cover of Kate's book. It looks like a classic coloboma imo as described on the RNIB web site.
A child with coloboma will receive specialist care at hospital during the early years to monitor the effect of the coloboma and their eye health. The frequency of these checks will depend on the child's needs. Children who have coloboma can be more at risk of glaucoma (increased eye pressure) and retinal detachment. There are treatments for both of these conditions which the hospital would explore with you.
If your child's eye health is stable and no further complications appear then they will usually attend an eye test every six months up to the age of seven years and then annually. These eye tests will usually take place with an optician or orthoptist.
Children with coloboma may need glasses. Glasses cannot correct the vision problems caused by the coloboma. However, glasses can correct short-sightedness or long-sightedness which can help to correct the parts of vision that haven't been affected by coloboma.
Sometimes cosmetic contact lenses may be considered at a later stage. These can help to make the pupil look round rather than keyhole shaped.
Prescription sunglasses due to the light-sensitivity may also be suggested, as may some low vision aids and equipment to help a child make the most of their sight.
Also, considering the prominence given to this eye defect by the parents, medical records would contain information re Maddie's eye.
It looks much more than a fleck on the cover of Kate's book. It looks like a classic coloboma imo as described on the RNIB web site.
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***Poe wrote:Did anyone investigate when (or even whether) Gap & Monsoon actually stocked Madeleine's outfit?
It fits her very well which makes me think that the outfit is old. If you were buying a child an "extravagant" outfit, or any outfit for that matter, wouldn't you make sure that there is plenty of room for them to grow into it?
I checked the following site last year. It's a.o. an archive of GAP clothing 2005 - 2013. I haven't found the top Madeleine is wearing in the "last picture".
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It would be very interesting to ask GAP and MONSOON directly, to say whether they have ever had these clothes in their outfits, and if so, which year.Châtelaine wrote:***Poe wrote:Did anyone investigate when (or even whether) Gap & Monsoon actually stocked Madeleine's outfit?
It fits her very well which makes me think that the outfit is old. If you were buying a child an "extravagant" outfit, or any outfit for that matter, wouldn't you make sure that there is plenty of room for them to grow into it?
I checked the following site last year. It's a.o. an archive of GAP clothing 2005 - 2013. I haven't found the top Madeleine is wearing in the "last picture".
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I am not in the UK but wonder if someone would think it an idea to contact the above's customer services departments directly.
Although the photo faking has been analysed exceptionally well in the past, (and demonstrated as beyond doubt in many instances...e.g. coloboma at 6 o'clock and 7 o'clock in different photos) this is nevertheless a very timely and worthwhile thread, bringing up new angles already.... particularly the observation that a coloboma would need some sort of eye protection, above and beyond what one would normally do to ensure two little girls, sitting in hot, bright, overhead sunshine, over reflecting pool water, would need as protection.
Again, very neglectful parents, to protect Gerry's own eyes, whilst he and the photographer (Kate?) do not even consider protecting their little daughters' eyes.
For anyone in doubt, and just as an aside, having mentioned the heat and angle of sun, how is it that the shadows cast on Maddie's front, are a little fainter and at a slightly different angle from the 'strong' shadows and angle cast on Gerry's front.
Any discerning viewer would see that it looks as if two photos have been amalgamated, to simulate one composite photo, where unfortunately the photo-shopper's eye to detail has failed to make a correct adjustment to strength of light/shadow and angle of sun to correlate correctly when bringing the two photos together.
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Châtelaine wrote:***Poe wrote:Did anyone investigate when (or even whether) Gap & Monsoon actually stocked Madeleine's outfit?
It fits her very well which makes me think that the outfit is old. If you were buying a child an "extravagant" outfit, or any outfit for that matter, wouldn't you make sure that there is plenty of room for them to grow into it?
I checked the following site last year. It's a.o. an archive of GAP clothing 2005 - 2013. I haven't found the top Madeleine is wearing in the "last picture".
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Thank you Châtelaine.
I can't find the top/dress either. I wonder if Kate was laying the groundwork for another marketing ploy. The "madeleine by Kate" clothing range at Gap.
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A Gap in your family ?Poe wrote:
Thank you Châtelaine.
I can't find the top/dress either. I wonder if Kate was laying the groundwork for another marketing ploy. The "madeleine by Kate" clothing range at Gap.
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Apart from the natural initial rush to help find a missing British child I can't think of any celeb or company that has maintained allegiance or formed a new allegiance to Team McCann (we'll discount the relatively new ally on the block Hugh Grant as he has an obvious interest in the Hacked Off farce). It seems the 'leading' charity Missing People are the only ones who love 'em.
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Who is/was Madeleine, each time I look at photos of her it just doesn't seem like the same little girl. I've not see this photo before, her nose seems different. Is it Madeleine?
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Can one of our clever techy members put this photo alongside the pool 'last photo'.Cherry Blossom wrote:Who is/was Madeleine, each time I look at photos of her it just doesn't seem like the same little girl. I've not see this photo before, her nose seems different. Is it Madeleine?
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If it is Madeleine, and it does look like her, then the nose is definitely longer and older than the pool photo.
If that is the case then the police need to get post haste round to the person who 'delivered' this photo because it is of a child 'older' than the one claimed to be of Maddie on her apparent abduction date 03.05.07.
Once again, the poor child looks somewhere between nervous, apprehensive, unsure if or how to please...she also has strange colouring on the neck, but perhaps that's the photo reproduction.
Poor little love....if only she could just have a warm, cuddly reassuring hug from someone whom she could really trust.
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Cherry Blossom wrote:Who is/was Madeleine, each time I look at photos of her it just doesn't seem like the same little girl. I've not see this photo before, her nose seems different. Is it Madeleine?
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Me too. Every photo I see looks like a different girl. I know kids change a lot very quickly but that said, certain things don't. The girl with the tennis balls looks about six months to a year older than the girl in the pool yet those photos were supposedly taken the same week? Mad
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What is that car in the back-ground. It looks like an old black one, a bit of a banger. Could it be a photo of Kate, changed a bit, looking at some 35 years ago when that sort of shiny material, fluffy edged jacket was the sort of stuff that C&A produced as ski wear for a growing UK winter skiing holiday market. I haven't seen that sort of material for a long time. Is any one current with that sort of material these days. With my kids all grown up, I'm out of the loop now.Cherry Blossom wrote:Who is/was Madeleine, each time I look at photos of her it just doesn't seem like the same little girl. I've not see this photo before, her nose seems different. Is it Madeleine?
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Cherry Blossom wrote:Who is/was Madeleine, each time I look at photos of her it just doesn't seem like the same little girl. I've not see this photo before, her nose seems different. Is it Madeleine?
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Confusing isn't it!
Looks nothing like this photo -supposedly of Madeleine.
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yes, it is Madeleine. photos can look different from the person.
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marconi wrote:yes, it is Madeleine. photos can look different from the person.
You are probably correct, however, I find it almost impossible to believe that the Madeleine in Donegal (April 2007)and the Madeleine with the tennis balls - both photos look like M was of the same age -suddenly then morphs into a much younger Madeleine in the 'alleged' last photo by the pool.
This last photo should have been available there and then on the 3rd May ready to give to the GNR, the fact that it wasn't speak volumes.
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bobbin wrote:What is that car in the back-ground. It looks like an old black one, a bit of a banger. Could it be a photo of Kate, changed a bit, looking at some 35 years ago when that sort of shiny material, fluffy edged jacket was the sort of stuff that C&A produced as ski wear for a growing UK winter skiing holiday market. I haven't seen that sort of material for a long time. Is any one current with that sort of material these days. With my kids all grown up, I'm out of the loop now.Cherry Blossom wrote:Who is/was Madeleine, each time I look at photos of her it just doesn't seem like the same little girl. I've not see this photo before, her nose seems different. Is it Madeleine?
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That cannot be Madeleine. Her permanent (adult) front teeth are clearly visible making the girl in this photo 6 or 7 years old. I think this is probably an old photo of Kate.
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Re: REASONS TO BE CHEERFUL by Dr Martin Roberts
Could it be, that the medical records (witheld) would have shown no coloboma at all, causing the marketing ploy to fall flat on its face, and secondly, to have scuppered a zillion sightings from all over the world, including the only real one: that of Maddie happily running around in her new environment, uncolombomaed, and therefore undetected?russiandoll wrote:photoshopping or not, I find the following significant regarding this photograph : [ bold mine ]
A child with coloboma will receive specialist care at hospital during the early years to monitor the effect of the coloboma and their eye health. The frequency of these checks will depend on the child's needs. Children who have coloboma can be more at risk of glaucoma (increased eye pressure) and retinal detachment. There are treatments for both of these conditions which the hospital would explore with you.
If your child's eye health is stable and no further complications appear then they will usually attend an eye test every six months up to the age of seven years and then annually. These eye tests will usually take place with an optician or orthoptist.
Children with coloboma may need glasses. Glasses cannot correct the vision problems caused by the coloboma. However, glasses can correct short-sightedness or long-sightedness which can help to correct the parts of vision that haven't been affected by coloboma.
Sometimes cosmetic contact lenses may be considered at a later stage. These can help to make the pupil look round rather than keyhole shaped.
Prescription sunglasses due to the light-sensitivity may also be suggested, as may some low vision aids and equipment to help a child make the most of their sight.
Also, considering the prominence given to this eye defect by the parents, medical records would contain information re Maddie's eye.
It looks much more than a fleck on the cover of Kate's book. It looks like a classic coloboma imo as described on the RNIB web site.
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Re: REASONS TO BE CHEERFUL by Dr Martin Roberts
Châtelaine wrote:***Poe wrote:Did anyone investigate when (or even whether) Gap & Monsoon actually stocked Madeleine's outfit?
It fits her very well which makes me think that the outfit is old. If you were buying a child an "extravagant" outfit, or any outfit for that matter, wouldn't you make sure that there is plenty of room for them to grow into it?
I checked the following site last year. It's a.o. an archive of GAP clothing 2005 - 2013. I haven't found the top Madeleine is wearing in the "last picture".
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As if that were at all possible: the Bewk is getting increasingly ridiculous
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Re: REASONS TO BE CHEERFUL by Dr Martin Roberts
Portia wrote:Could it be, that the medical records (witheld) would have shown no coloboma at all, causing the marketing ploy to fall flat on its face, and secondly, to have scuppered a zillion sightings from all over the world, including the only real one: that of Maddie happily running around in her new environment, uncolombomaed, and therefore undetected?russiandoll wrote:photoshopping or not, I find the following significant regarding this photograph : [ bold mine ]
A child with coloboma will receive specialist care at hospital during the early years to monitor the effect of the coloboma and their eye health. The frequency of these checks will depend on the child's needs. Children who have coloboma can be more at risk of glaucoma (increased eye pressure) and retinal detachment. There are treatments for both of these conditions which the hospital would explore with you.
If your child's eye health is stable and no further complications appear then they will usually attend an eye test every six months up to the age of seven years and then annually. These eye tests will usually take place with an optician or orthoptist.
Children with coloboma may need glasses. Glasses cannot correct the vision problems caused by the coloboma. However, glasses can correct short-sightedness or long-sightedness which can help to correct the parts of vision that haven't been affected by coloboma.
Sometimes cosmetic contact lenses may be considered at a later stage. These can help to make the pupil look round rather than keyhole shaped.
Prescription sunglasses due to the light-sensitivity may also be suggested, as may some low vision aids and equipment to help a child make the most of their sight.
Also, considering the prominence given to this eye defect by the parents, medical records would contain information re Maddie's eye.
It looks much more than a fleck on the cover of Kate's book. It looks like a classic coloboma imo as described on the RNIB web site.
But if there was no coloboma at all, surely Madeleine's GP would have alerted the police to this obvious lie?
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Re: REASONS TO BE CHEERFUL by Dr Martin Roberts
IF she had a GP.None has come forward or be named.chris wrote:Portia wrote:Could it be, that the medical records (witheld) would have shown no coloboma at all, causing the marketing ploy to fall flat on its face, and secondly, to have scuppered a zillion sightings from all over the world, including the only real one: that of Maddie happily running around in her new environment, uncolombomaed, and therefore undetected?russiandoll wrote:photoshopping or not, I find the following significant regarding this photograph : [ bold mine ]
A child with coloboma will receive specialist care at hospital during the early years to monitor the effect of the coloboma and their eye health. The frequency of these checks will depend on the child's needs. Children who have coloboma can be more at risk of glaucoma (increased eye pressure) and retinal detachment. There are treatments for both of these conditions which the hospital would explore with you.
If your child's eye health is stable and no further complications appear then they will usually attend an eye test every six months up to the age of seven years and then annually. These eye tests will usually take place with an optician or orthoptist.
Children with coloboma may need glasses. Glasses cannot correct the vision problems caused by the coloboma. However, glasses can correct short-sightedness or long-sightedness which can help to correct the parts of vision that haven't been affected by coloboma.
Sometimes cosmetic contact lenses may be considered at a later stage. These can help to make the pupil look round rather than keyhole shaped.
Prescription sunglasses due to the light-sensitivity may also be suggested, as may some low vision aids and equipment to help a child make the most of their sight.
Also, considering the prominence given to this eye defect by the parents, medical records would contain information re Maddie's eye.
It looks much more than a fleck on the cover of Kate's book. It looks like a classic coloboma imo as described on the RNIB web site.
But if there was no coloboma at all, surely Madeleine's GP would have alerted the police to this obvious lie?
And if he/she would have wanted to breach professional confidentality, going 'public' with CR lurking in the wings?
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Re: REASONS TO BE CHEERFUL by Dr Martin Roberts
Wahrheit wrote:I am always intrigued by this photo. On (I think) 12th June 2007 GM was wearing these exact clothes, glasses etc and looked just as sunburned. Amelie was wearing the exact same shirt on that day as in this photo except that it was pink. ([You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]) Interestingly, it is the work of 5 minutes on photoshop to turn a pink shirt orange using the hue/saturation tool - I've done it easily and I'm no expert. I find it interesting also because of the little flecks of pink that still can be seen on the orange shirt especially around the tassels.
Wow!
I've never seen that top in pink before.
It would be interesting to know where it was bought as you could then conclusively say what colours it came in.
If it did come in orange as well as pink then that would be very interesting.
Kate had lots of detail about where she bought other clothes so it would be strange if she did not know.
I hope someone on here will alert Scotland yard to this piece of evidence as they said they were happy to take info from anywhere.
The question is, if the last photos were faked, then why.
There is definite evidence of fakery having been utilised, and if it was used once then why not again?
I think all this adds to the death occurring earlier than the day of the action.
Possibly the day that the neighbour heard crying all night, where the mccanns also retrofitted Maddie apparently asking the next morning 'why didn't you come for us mummy?', the only occasion the Mccanns concede information that might make them look bad. As proving Maddie was alive that day trumps being seen as neglectful.
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