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Post by xklamation 04.05.22 0:12

Good article w/ video by Mark S.  

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Post by PeterMac 04.05.22 7:46

And this morning we are back to fibres from the pyjamas.

Errr .. .    Which pyjamas ?
"The actual pyjamas she was wearing" which the McCanns held up and showed the world, and we suppose still have ?
OR – pyjamas similar in make, fabric and fibres which were sold in their tens of thousands around that time.  Including in some of the parents' accounts for the twins, which was one of the reasons for having the pair, or an identical pair.
In which case fibres will tell you nothing, except that they are cotton and artificial mix, and dyed with a particular chemical.
Since the fabric is likely to have been bought in vast rolls, to be made into a variety of items, pyjamas, nightdresses, and probably for different retailers, the fibres on their own are not capable of telling you that they are from Madeleine's Pyjamas.

And if they have a fibre, they have to match it TO something.  
They can't match it with fibres from THE pyjamas, since she was wearing them and they must have gone with her.
Unless the pyjamas the McCann's held up in the Netherlands and they have kept in a drawer in her bedroom ever since were Madeleine's in which case she was not abducted.

So they have an alleged fibre, allegedly. 
Given that Brückner is alleged to be a serial pae***** it is likely that there will be fibres from all sorts of children's and women's clothing in his various camper vans
[see Pyjamas thread passim.]
But we are solemnly told by Clarke's favourite outlet, the SUN, that they have a fibre from Madeleine's pyjamas.
So it must be true, in the Olive Press usage of that word.

All of which I suspect H. Wolters understands.  The BKA certainly will.
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Post by Verdi 04.05.22 14:03

There's a cross-over of interests here, between Brueckner and the 15th anniversary - I'll stick it here as it primarily concerns the fate of someone named as Christian Brueckner, reported to be the 'prime suspect' in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

A Mail update of yesterday's report from Nic Pisa on location. I've left out the images, it's nothing new..

German prosecutor leading Madeleine McCann probe makes bombshell revelation of a breakthrough during TV interview as her parents hold prayer vigil in their home town to mark 15 years since the three-year-old disappeared


The revelation came exactly 15 years to the day since three-year-old Madeleine McCann vanished
German prosecutor said he could not deny investigators had found new evidence in the van of prime suspect
Christian Brueckner, 45, is a convicted rapist and paedophile who is already behind bars in Germany
Investigators may have found new evidence in the back of his campervan which he used in Portugal
Kate and Gerry McCann attended a vigil to mark the 15-year anniversary of their daughter's disappearance

By Nick Pisa In The Algarve and David Averre For Mailonline and Martin Robinson, Chief Reporter

Published: 22:33, 3 May 2022 | Updated: 13:00, 4 May 2022

The German investigator probing the disappearance of Madeleine McCann has sensationally revealed there is 'new evidence' linking paedophile prime suspect Christian Brueckner to her abduction.

Speaking on Portuguese TV last night, 15 years to the day since she vanished in Praia da Luz, prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said he is 'sure' the toddler was murdered and that Brueckner, 45, did it.

Mr Wolters was interviewed on a show called Sabado yesterday to mark the anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance from her parents' holiday apartment at Praia da Luz on Portugal's Algarve coast.

He said: 'The investigation is still going on and we have found some new facts, some new evidence, not forensic evidence but evidence.'

The German prosecutor then repeated his 2020 claim that Brueckner, a convicted paedophile in prison for raping a pensioner, was responsible for her murder and said: 'We are sure that he killed Madeleine McCann. I can't give you any more details for the moment.'

It has been speculated by The Sun that the new evidence in question could be fibres from the Maddie's pink Eeyore pyjamas after she was bundled into the back of the van, despite Mr Wolters' insistence the evidence is 'not forensic'.

When asked by host Sandra Felgueiras whether it was 'true that you have found something of Madeleine McCann in Christian Brueckner's van', Mr Wolters replied: 'I'm not going to comment on the details of the investigation.' But when pressed by the interviewer: 'But you can't deny it?' Mr Wolters responded: 'I don't want to deny it', adding: 'The suspect has not yet been informed'.

Under German law, details of a police investigation cannot be revealed until a suspect and their lawyers are given the full details. The case can then be made public.

Wolters' appearance on Portuguese TV yesterday coincided with a memorial service held to commemorate the 15-year anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance.

Kate and Gerry McCann were warmly welcomed by their community during a poignant prayer service in their home village of Rothley, Leicestershire. Mrs McCann read a poem while clutching her necklace made up of three rings, likely to symbolise Maddie and the couple's two other children.

Convicted rapist and paedophile Brueckner was named by German prosecutors as prime suspect in the case two years ago with investigators saying they had 'concrete evidence' she was dead.

But since then there has been little sign of him being charged, prompting speculation there is not enough evidence of his involvement in her disappearance and earlier this week it emerged Brueckner claims to have an alibi the night she vanished.

Kate and Gerry, who hold on to hope that Madeleine - who would now be aged nearly 19 - is still alive, appeared overwhelmed by the support as they joined in prayers and readings to mark the occasion.

The annual outdoor event has been cancelled over the past two years because of Covid restrictions. Kate and Gerry said last night: 'This year we mark fifteen years since we last saw Madeleine. It feels no harder than any other but no easier either. It's a very long time.'



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In 2019 Kate turned up alone with her twins Sean and Amelie - now aged 17 - as her heart doctor husband was away in Italy at an important medical conference.

Former surgery GP turned hospital medical worker Kate, 54, had dashed from work to join Gerry at the war memorial for the welcomed event.

Kate, wearing black jeans, cornflower blue V-neck sweater and trainers, fought back tears as children lit candles for Madeleine and other lost youngsters.

Neither parent addressed the 100-strong crowd but Kate, wearing reading glasses, read a poem, saying: 'Survival can be summed up three words: Never give up.

'That's the heart of it really, just keep trying.

'Sometimes you have to get knocked down, lower than you have ever been, to stand up taller than you ever were.

'Perseverance is stubbornness.'

Prime suspect Brueckner has insisted he was with an 18-year-old German woman, having sex in his camper van miles away from where Madeleine vanished from and he has given full details to a US documentary.

When he was named in June 2020 police asked for information in the distinctive yellow and white T3 campervan and DNA experts have been examining it ever since.

In her report Sandra highlighted how the fact that Mr Wolters refused to deny that something of Madeleine's had been found was proof of his guilt.

Mr Wolters also revealed how he had not been in touch with the McCanns and said: 'There is no relationship between the McCanns and me. I have never spoken with them and I have never written to them. There is no relationship.'

He also highlighted how the fact that Portuguese police had made Brueckner an 'arguido' or suspect in the case showed the German investigation was 'going the right way'.

Brueckner is currently serving seven years for the rape of a 72-year-old woman in Praia da Luz in 2005, two years before Madeleine was snatched and he is in Germany's Oldenburg jail.

Prosecutors are investigating him over the rape of a Irish tour guide Hazel Behan in the Algarve as well as a sexual assault in Praia da Luz on a ten-year-old German girl a month before Madeleine disappeared.

He is also being probed over an indecent exposure in a children's playground in the Algarve and last month MailOnline revealed he was also being investigated over two further rapes.

The McCanns joined family, friends and villagers for their informal evening service yesterday as Wolters spoke with Portuguese TV.

A family source said: 'Kate and Gerry enjoy going to the service for a time of prayer and quiet reflection. They always appreciate the support of the public.'

They met in the chilly night air at Cross Green on the milestone anniversary - where a candle for the world's most famous missing child still burns around the clock.

During the service, local children went up to light candles to remember Madeleine, or a special person of their choice.

One little girl tripped and stumbled on the ground as she ran back to her mother, and a concerned Kate joined others calling 'Whoops!' then smiled as the child picked herself up unscathed.

Renowned and respected cardiologist Gerry, 53, casually dressed in navy trousers, salmon-pink T-shirt and grey-blue sweater, later individually thanked well wishers for attending the half-hour gathering.

Vicar of the local parish church, The Rev. Rob Gladstone, who led the prayers, opened the service by telling the crowd: 'Once again after a gap of two years we're able to come together again here at Cross Green to remember Madeleine, to show solidarity to Kate and Gerry, Sean and Amelie.

'Lord we thank you for sustaining Gerry and Kate through these painful years.

'Keep us their hope of finding Madeleine, of discovering the truth of her disappearance... real hope is hard won.'

During the gathering, touching messages of support were read out by children.

Iconic pictures of a young Madeleine were tied to the railing around the war memorial and a vase of fresh yellow flowers was placed on the ground.

The Madeleine candle burned brightly as Rev Gladstone said: 'We hope the light here in Rothley dispels the darkness.'

At times Kate and Gerry appeared tearful, at other times they smiled.

Kate, who appeared to be limping, was hugged by friends and supporters.

Three-year-old Madeleine vanished from a holiday apartment in Portugal's Praia da Luz in May 2007.

She was discovered missing from her bed in the seaside complex by her horrified mum shortly after 10pm. She had been left alone her younger siblings while her parents were dining in a nearby tapas restaurant with their seven pals.

Madeleine's great uncle, retired head teacher Brian Kennedy, 83, who lives in the same village and has attended all 13 anniversary gatherings with his wife Janet, said: 'Kate and Gerry feel heartened that something positive seems to be happening with the investigation.

'They are being kept updated by the Met Police but they have no details to share now.

'They have never lost hope even after all these years, and in juts over a week's time Madeleine would be 19.

'If you had told our family 15 years it would go on for so long without a resolution we would have thought that was very unlikely.'

He had earlier read a poem 'The Beacon' previously written for Kate and Gerry by former Poet Laureate Simon Armitage.

Madeleine's parents told of their 'need for answers' in a public posting on the eve of the latest anniversary which they say is 'a very long time.'

In a heartfelt posting on Monday on the Find Maddie and Official Campaign websites, the McCanns wrote: 'Many people talk about the need for ''closure''. It's always felt a strange term.

'Regardless of outcome, Madeleine will always be our daughter and a truly horrific crime has been committed. These things will remain.

'It is true though that uncertainty creates weakness; knowledge and certainty give strength, and for this reason our need for answers, for the truth, is essential.'

The couple praised three nations' police forces for their continued work in trying to crack the painstaking case.

They posted: 'We are grateful for the ongoing work and commitment of the UK, Portuguese and German authorities as it is this combined police effort which will yield results and bring us those answers.'

They added: 'As always, we would like to thank all of our supporters for their continued good wishes and support.

'It is a huge comfort to know that regardless of time passed, Madeleine is still in people's hearts and minds. Thank you. Kate and Gerry.'

Their post is accompanied by a touching phrase from Winnie the Pooh author AA Milne, with a picture of Pooh bear and Piglet, saying: 'But the most important thing is, even if we're apart, I'll always be with you.'

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Post by Verdi 04.05.22 14:16

What do we know about Maddie murder suspect Christian Brueckner and his criminal past?

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1976: Christian Brueckner (pictured) is born in Würzburg under a different name, believed to be Fischer. He was adopted by the Brueckner family and took their surname.

1992: Christian Brueckner is arrested on suspicion of burglary in his hometown of Wurzburg, Bavaria.

1994: He is given a two-year youth jail sentence for 'abusing a child' and 'performing sex acts in front of a child'.

1995: Brueckner arrives in Portugal as an 18-year-old backpacker and begins working in catering in the seaside resorts of Lagos and Praia da Luz.

But friends say he became involved with a criminal syndicate trafficking drugs into the Algarve.

September 2005: He dons a mask and breaks into an apartment where he rapes a 72-year-old American tourist.

The victim was bound, gagged, blindfolded and whipped with a metal cane before being raped for 15 minutes. She said afterwards that he had clearly enjoyed 'torturing' her before the rape.

April 2007: He moves out of a farmhouse and into a campervan now linked to the crime. The farmhouse is cleaned and a bag of wigs and 'exotic clothes' is found.

May 3, 2007: Madeleine McCann is snatched at around 10pm from her bed as her parents eat tapas with friends yards away.

Brueckner's mobile phone places him in the area that night. He returns to his native Germany shortly after that.

October 2011: He is sentenced to 21 months for 'dealing narcotics' in Niebüll, in northern Germany.

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2014: He moves to Braunschweig where he starts running a town-centre kiosk. He then goes back to Portugal with a girlfriend.

2016: He is back in Germany. He is given 15 months in prison for 'sexual abuse of a child in the act of creating and possessing child pornographic material'.

May 3, 2017: Brueckner is said to be in a bar with a friend when a ten-year anniversary appeal following Madeleine's disappearance is shown on German television.

He is said to have told him in a bar that he 'knew all about' what happened to her. He then showed his friend a video of him raping a woman.

MailOnline understands the friend went to police shortly afterwards.

June 2017: He heads back to Portugal and extradited again to Germany. The reason was a sentencing of the Braunschweig district court to 15 months' imprisonment for the sexual abuse of a child.

August 2018: After his release from prison he lives on the streets. But he was jailed again for drug offences.

September 2018: Brueckner is arrested in Milan, Italy and extradited to Germany and put on trial for raping the American tourist in 2007 after a DNA match to hair found at the crime scene.

July 2019: He is jailed for 21 months for drug dealing in the northern German resort of Sylt.

August 2019: Brueckner is charged with the rape of the American tourist in Praia da Luz in 2005.

December 2019: He is convicted of rape of extortion of the tourist based on DNA evidence. He is given a seven year sentence, but this has not been imposed pending an appeal.

June 3, 2020: Scotland Yard and the German police reveal that that they have identified a suspect in the Maddie McCann case

June 4, 2020: Prosecutors in Braunschweig, where he lives, say they believe Madeleine McCann has been murdered, says spokesman Hans Christian Wolters. He is named in the German press as the prime suspect.

May 4, 2021: Kate and Gerry McCann post a statement on the Official Find Madeleine Campaign website saying they still cling to the hope of seeing their daughter again as they prepare to mark her 18th birthday on May 12.

April 21, 2022: Christian Brueckner, now 44, is made an 'arguido', a formal suspect, by Portuguese authorities. But he has not been charged.

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Post by Tony Bennett 04.05.22 14:21

re:  Mr Wolters was interviewed on a show called Sabado yesterday to mark the anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance from her parents' holiday apartment at Praia da Luz on Portugal's Algarve coast.

He said: 'The investigation is still going on and we have found some new facts, some new evidence, not forensic evidence but evidence.'

The German prosecutor then repeated his 2020 claim that Brueckner, a convicted paedophile in prison for raping a pensioner, was responsible for her murder and said: 'We are sure that he killed Madeleine McCann. I can't give you any more details for the moment.'

It has been speculated by The Sun that the new evidence in question could be fibres from the Maddie's pink Eeyore pyjamas after she was bundled into the back of the van, despite Mr Wolters' insistence the evidence is 'not forensic'.

When asked by host Sandra Felgueiras whether it was 'true that you have found something of Madeleine McCann in Christian Brueckner's van', Mr Wolters replied: 'I'm not going to comment on the details of the investigation.' But when pressed by the interviewer: 'But you can't deny it?' Mr Wolters responded: 'I don't want to deny it', adding: 'The suspect has not yet been informed'.


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REPLY:  Herr Wolters is 100% FAKE. And a LIAR.

So are the media, on just about every issue of the day: Climate change, CO2, Brexit, Covid19, the coming New World Order, digital passports, the new mRNA vaccines, the PCR test, China, Trump, Biden, the 2020 'stolen' U.S. election, transgenderism, high-level paedophilia, Madeleine McCann, evolution, the Bible  

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Dr Martin Roberts: "The evidence is that these are the pjyamas Madeleine wore on holiday in Praia da Luz. They were photographed and the photo handed to a press agency, who released it on 8 May, as the search for Madeleine continued. The McCanns held up these same pyjamas at two press conferences on 5 & 7June 2007. How could Madeleine have been abducted?"

Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".  

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Post by Verdi 04.05.22 14:56

This is just disgraceful, is there no code of conduct, ethics, left in the world of journalism?

Sandra Felgueiras is a conniving minx, a career junkie who'll stop at nothing on the ladder of stardom. The ask the dogs interview with Gerry and Kate McCann all those years ago, the interview that sent social media into a frenzy because of a few words spoken, was nothing but another attempt at career advancement for Ms Felgueiras. She even gets a personal, slightly derogative, mention in Jon Clarke's booky wooky - that in itself speaks volumes.

This has been proven time and time again over the years, more recently her prominence in one or more of the 'Prime Suspect: Madeleine McCann Documentary productions.

This nonsense makes me so angry. The major problem being that the general public, those who haven't followed this case since the beginning, will believe what they read without question.

Even The Times has taken-up the story - for that is what this is, a story.

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Post by Verdi 04.05.22 15:02

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Item belonging to Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brückner ‘found in his van’

Oliver Moody, Berlin
Wednesday May 04 2022, 9.45am BST, The Times

An item belonging to Madeleine McCann has been found in a camper van belonging to a German paedophile accused of abducting the young British girl 15 years ago, it was claimed last night.

If the discovery is confirmed it will be one of the first significant breakthroughs in the two-year investigation into Christian Brückner, who has been identified as the prime suspect in Madeleine’s disappearance.

Sandra Felgueiras, a Portuguese television presenter who has covered the case for several years, claimed a local police source had told her that one of Madeleine’s possessions had turned up in a fresh search of Brückner’s old VW camper van.

Brückner was living in the van at a location several miles away from the McCann family’s holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, on the Algarve coast of Portugal, when the girl vanished in 2007.

His mobile phone is said to have been active in the area on the evening in question but he has repeatedly denied any involvement in her suspected kidnapping and insists he has an alibi.

However, Hans-Christian Wolters, the prosecutor leading the German investigation into the case, said his team had uncovered “new facts and new evidence”, without going into details.

There has been unconfirmed speculation in parts the British press that the item may be several threads from the pink Winnie the Pooh-branded pyjamas Madeleine was wearing on the night she disappeared.

Wolters told Portuguese TV: “It’s not forensic evidence, but evidence, and because of our evidence, we are sure [Brückner] is the murderer of Madeleine McCann.”

Asked by Felgueiras whether it was true that an article associated with Madeleine had been found in Brückner’s van, Wolters said he could not comment on the details of the investigation.

Brückner, 45, is serving a seven-year prison sentence in the northwest German town of Oldenburg for raping a 72-year-old American tourist on the Algarve. He has multiple previous convictions for a range of crimes including child abuse, theft and drug trafficking.

Yesterday it emerged that he had been denied parole by a court because of the risk that he would reoffend. His legal team had applied for the sentence to be lifted after he served half of the term, including a period in pre-trial detention.

The application was rejected on April 21. On the same day Brückner was interviewed for the first time by German prosecutors, acting on behalf of the Portuguese police. The authorities in Portugal recently named him as an arguido, meaning a suspect who has yet to be arrested or charged. This measure appears to be an effort to circumvent Portugal’s 15-year statute of limitation on serious crimes.

However, Brückner invoked his right to remain silent under Portuguese law and declined to answer any questions about where he had been when Madeleine disappeared.

German prosecutors have indicated that they intend to charge Brückner in the coming months but he may first face charges for other crimes, including the alleged rape of Hazel Behan, a young Irishwoman, in 2004.

Yesterday, in a statement marking the 15th anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance, her parents said they still felt an “essential . . . need for answers”.

Kate and Gerry McCann posted on their website an illustration of Pooh and Piglet together with the words: “The most important thing is, even if we’re apart, I’ll always be with you.”

“It’s a very long time,” the McCanns wrote on their Find Madeleine website. “Many people talk about the need for ‘closure’. It’s always felt a strange term. Regardless of outcome, Madeleine will always be our daughter and a truly horrific crime has been committed.

“These things will remain. It is true though that uncertainty creates weakness; knowledge and certainty give strength, and for this reason our need for answers, for the truth, is essential.”

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Post by Verdi 04.05.22 15:14

So suddenly the run-down camper van makes a re-appearance for another photo-shoot and forensic examination.

Where has it been since Brueckner allegedly last sat at the wheel?

If fibres have been found in the van, how do we link that find to Madeleine McCann?  If Madeleine was abducted and transported in the van, dead or alive, if wearing pyjamas she was allegedly wearing when abducted - how can you connect without the missing pyjamas?

DNA?  Forensic evidence?  But Herr Wolter says there is no evidence - allegedly.

Where is the profile for Madeleine's DNA?  Still on that mysterious pillow case collected by Gerry McCann on his first trip back to the UK in May 2007?  

The trip from which he returned to Portugal with excess baggage in the form of a government media monitoring director - photographs of Madeleine previously unseen - a pillow case.  A pillow case said to be used exclusively by Madeleine at the Roafley household,  a clean reference source of Madeleine's DNA stuffed in a back-pack, alongside the stolen wallet and whine gums?

Beam me up Scotty ....

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Post by PeterMac 04.05.22 15:24

Times comments were heavily vetted. / Censored.

It took over 4 hours for mine to be allowed to squeak through
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If they have found ‘several threads’ they will have to be compared with control samples from the original pyjamas. Even that will only tell whether they are from the same batch of material from which no doubt thousands of pyjamas and other nightclothes were made, possibly in India, and sent to distributors and retailers throughout the world. But that too will be difficult since the pyjamas were supposed to have been ‘abducted’ at the same time.
I fear this is Tabloids clutching at ‘fibres’ to make a story."

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Post by Doug D 04.05.22 15:52

'An item belonging to Madeleine McCann has been found in a camper van belonging to a German paedophile accused of abducting the young British girl 15 years ago, it was claimed last night.'

But 'not forensic'. (Wolters)

Forensic definition:

'relating to or denoting the application of scientific methods and techniques to the investigation of crime.'

So that surely rules out the 'threads' nonsense.

I find it hard to believe they even managed to trace the camper van, let alone supposedly find something 'belonging to Madeleine' in it after all this time. Looks more like Grange bollocks to me.
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Post by Jill Havern 04.05.22 16:15

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It's been two years since I've heard the most diverse conspiracy theories about Christian Bruckner since German justice pointed him out as the murder of Madeleine McCann.
I have my well-educated opinion on this matter, but while I listen, my job is to report facts, not rumors, nor convictions.
But my real duty to public opinion is no less when we are talking about a politician or a police officer. Or a former police officer who relentlessly influenced the public opinion.
For this reason, in 2008, when I read all the volumes of the investigation conducted by Gonçalo Amaral, I found that the alleged evidence he collected against the McCann couple was not evidence but assumptions. A kind of "copy-paste" of what I had done in the Joana case investigation.
The so-called evidence found by the dogs in the room of the apartment where they vacationed and in McCann’s rental car a month after their daughter’s disappearance has not been lab-confirmed to belong to Madeleine. And it was this irrefutable fact by science that led the Portuguese justice system to eliminate them.
But when this truth came public, Gonçalo Amaral had already been removed from the case for speaking to journalists. One of them used a statement from him on "on" and that was why she was removed.
From then on, the said inspector started a fight, writing books and making documentaries insisting on his thesis and accusing the superiors who fired him for not letting him do the job he should because of political pressure.
But the question I ask is, does any good cop start by identifying a suspect and then force his theory to fit into the theory he preconceived?
No. No good investigator does that. But Gonçalo Amaral did it. And insists on doing so.
And that's why there are no eternal truths.
There are facts that will be revealed.
Until 2019, no one had associated Christian Bruckner to the Madeleine case despite him being outside the Ocean Club at the time of his disappearance and being a known pedophile to the Portuguese and German authorities.
I understand that for the Portuguese public opinion it is easier to believe that McCann's negligence by leaving their children alone, while they went to dinner with their friends, turns them into the real culprits.
But this couple has been living with that guilt from day one. 15 years ago.
And that's the only fact we can point them out.
Today, the Portuguese Judicial Police has only one defendant in this case. His name is Christian Bruckner and he had traces of Madeleine in the caravan he was wearing at the time.
Intellectual honesty demands that all who have been convinced by a outdated false theory see reality.
Too bad they stand still in time.
Like the thousands who believe Elvis Presley didn't die or that the man didn't go to the moon.
I do not tell you this for any reason other than my duty of intellectual honesty.
The truth doesn't always please us. But if it's the one that exists, it's the only one we should report.


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"His name is Christian Bruckner and he had traces of Madeleine in the caravan he was wearing at the time."   Mrs

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Post by crusader 04.05.22 16:55

I didn't know a lab could confirm cadaver odour, is this true?

Dogs don't lie.
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Post by CaKeLoveR 04.05.22 17:01

I don't understand that, either. Or can computers detect, or recogonise, or  confirm odours these days?
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Post by Verdi 04.05.22 17:28

Sandra Felgueiras wrote:I do not tell you this for any reason other than my duty of intellectual honesty.
The truth doesn't always please us. But if it's the one that exists, it's the only one we should report.

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Post by CaKeLoveR 04.05.22 17:31

And the same from me.
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Post by crusader 04.05.22 17:32

That's her truth, doesn't mean it's "the" truth.
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Post by Andema83 04.05.22 17:52

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Sandra Felgueiras
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O - my - god... is this lady for real?

I have my own opinion on Ms. Felgueiras and thought she was simply opportunistic and career driven, I fully agree with [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and his assessment. But that lengthy piece she wrote on Facebook... well, I have no words for that. Is she just not very bright or what's wrong with her?? No, Labs can't detect cadaver odor, cadaver dogs also cannot detect DNA - speaking of those sniffer dogs: How can Sandra explain the coincidence of cadaver scent having been detected by British and not Portuguese dogs in the McCanns places and on their belongings *only*?
I think I know what her answer would be: I'm supposed to ask the dogs, right?
Ugh...!

PS: And her stupid waffle about conspiracy theorists and her lame badmouthing of Goncalo Amaral isn't even worth mentioning.
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Post by Jill Havern 04.05.22 17:53

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The dogs told the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

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Post by Verdi 04.05.22 18:04

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It's been two years since I've heard the most diverse conspiracy theories about Christian Bruckner since German justice pointed him out as the murder of Madeleine McCann. think
I have my well-educated opinion on this matter duh , but while I listen, my job is to report facts interview , not rumors whisper , nor convictions prisoner . tease

But my real duty to public opinion is no less when we are talking about a politician or a police officer. Or a former police officer who relentlessly influenced the public opinion. wft

For this reason, in 2008, when I read reading all the volumes of the investigation conducted by Gonçalo Amaral, I found that the alleged evidence he collected against the McCann couple was not evidence but assumptions. A kind of "copy-paste" of what I had done in the Joana case investigation. nails

The so-called evidence found by the dogs in the room of the apartment where they vacationed and in McCann’s rental car a month after their daughter’s disappearance has not been lab-confirmed to belong to Madeleine thinking . And it was this irrefutable fact by science that led the Portuguese justice system to eliminate them. splat

But when this truth came public, Gonçalo Amaral had already been removed from the case for speaking to journalists. One of them used a statement from him on "on" [?] and that was why she was removed. dontgetit

From then on, the said inspector started a fight, writing books and making documentaries insisting on his thesis and accusing the superiors who fired him for not letting him do the job he should because of political pressure. gun boxing mail juggle spray

But the question I ask is, does any good cop start by identifying a suspect and then force his theory to fit into the theory he preconceived? whisper

No. No good investigator does that. But Gonçalo Amaral did it. And insists on doing so. bignono

And that's why there are no eternal truths. girlno

There are facts that will be revealed. girlno bignono

Until 2019, no one had associated Christian Bruckner to the Madeleine case despite him being outside the Ocean Club at the time [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] of his [?] disappearance and being a known pedophile to the Portuguese and German authorities. whisper

I understand that for the Portuguese public opinion it is easier to believe that McCann's negligence by leaving their children alone, while they went to dinner with their friends, turns them into the real culprits. notlistening

But this couple has been living with that guilt from day one. 15 years ago. shark

And that's the only fact we can point them out. whistle2

Today, the Portuguese Judicial Police has only one defendant in this case. His name is Christian Bruckner and he had traces of Madeleine in the caravan he was wearing at the time. girlno bignono

Intellectual honesty demands that all who have been convinced by a outdated false theory see reality. eyes

Too bad they stand still in time. flan flinger

Like the thousands who believe Elvis Presley didn't die or that the man didn't go to the moon. aaaah

I do not tell you this for any reason other than my duty of intellectual honesty. liar

The truth doesn't always please us. But if it's the one that exists, it's the only one we should report. interview liar

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Post by CaKeLoveR 04.05.22 18:07

You haven't done one of those for a long time!
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Post by Jill Havern 04.05.22 18:10

An emoji for all occasions!   big grin

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Post by Verdi 04.05.22 18:23

This is classic..

But my real duty to public opinion is no less when we are talking about a politician or a police officer. Or a former police officer who relentlessly influenced the public opinion.

So .... the media, the press, the pro-McCann documentaries, Swann and Summer, Jon Clark, Tracey Kandohla aka Olive Oyl, the former CEOP bloke, the British police, the British government, Clarence Mitchell, Old Uncle Tom Cobley 'n all .... haven't influenced public opinion - eh?

Is that why team McCann went to such drastic lengths to ban Snr Amaral's book, The Truth of the Lie - eh Ms Felgueiras?

You want truth so lets have it - the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

You can start by telling us exactly where you fit in the defence campaign - big bucks eh?

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Post by Andema83 04.05.22 18:27

Strange how McCann supporters (Sandra F. included, of course) always sound like a broken record: "Goncalo Amaral framed the McC" (yadayada), "Joana Cipriano" (yadayada), "not Madeleines DNA in the rented vehicle" (yadayada), "dissenters =trolls and haters/conspiracy theorists" (yadayada) blah.
One thing about Sandra F.s change of mind bugged me though: Her claim she found out from the PJ files in 2008 that Amaral allegedly lied to her about the DNA - well why didn't she speak up before???

This alone tells me all I need to know about this lady really, so much for her "intellectual honesty" - another blah.

Frankly, I don't care so much about Ms. Felgueiras particularly, but as a somewhat prominent journalist she has, indeed, a duty towards her viewers! Instead, she choses to insult our intelligence and serves her career advancement purposes angry2.
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Post by Guest 04.05.22 18:49

the lastest about the artificial noses is still; dogs are too good.

martin grime and his trained dogs are part of one of the teams that have worked to get an device called an artificial nose up and working, but the dogs noses keeps beating the artificial ones. 

it was also not really meant to replace the dogs, but to have a control for the places these dogs signal on. and following from control an answer of what it is. but dogs are more than only a nose, they are very able to search every kind or type of surroundings. 

a stationary unit could be helpful in places like an airport, but in the field, or in building that has a lot of furniture around, or even after a blast dogs would win it in versatility. 

the biggest thing is the nose, only when they get at least an score around that of trained dogs, the next fase could be looking into using it by drones. 

it is certainly not reserved for criminal investigations, but also after earthquakes, and other major disasters. 

dog have some negative sides, not their fault of course. you have to do a lot of very serious training, most work best in a set team with always the same handler. all dogs can smell a lot, but are not always trainable, there are a lot of situations that has a lot of danger to those dogs. you also can not stock them, with just some maintenance from time to time. 

dogs are still a magnificent source to use, and on some places they probably still would always the better choice, but a device that is easier (to learn) to use, can be already in stock local, that would be very welcome. 

the biggest factor will be reproducible data, and in human minds that means going from believing into accepting the results are correct. in criminal matter, that still would not be the big decider, there always has to to be made that connection into being a true part of a case to work on. 

even if it gets out into a workable device, it would take still years to made the prototype into a commercial product. the first goal that is set is at least something that could be used in the training of the dogs, not to replace them.

but one of the difficulties still is, we are still not really knowing what exact scent those dogs smell. and when research find that out, i do hope they are able to keep that a secret. all existing artificial 'air the cadaver' would not mislead a dog of the quality of eddy. 

there are already pretty simple to use devices for some other smells, usually the simple ones, and not used as stand alone evidence of something. like a breathalyzer. that one only have to detect the smell of ethanol, the scent of death is always a composition of many components, that also differ in time and circumstances around decomposing. 
for easier concepts of smell there is quite a boom of devices. this is a very nice worked out powerpoint about smell, and smelling, natural and artificial; 

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a shame there is no clear year of making on this. 

i think eddy himself has set a very high standard in the research works done into getting that artificial nose into an evolution to something that one day will work. he and his equals must still be laughing themselves barking mad, somewhere over the rainbow, about us poor morsels trying to make that nose.
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