Re: Gonçalo Amaral New Book: General Discussion.

by Vera Krista 15.10.21 18:42

Verdi wrote:The subject of sedation and Calpol have been discussed extensively here on CMOMM over the years.

It would be appreciated if members restrict this thread to general commentary about Gonçalo Amaral's new book and, as requested by Paulo over on his new thread, not to enter into lengthy discussion about specific topics - like Calpol!

Give me a moment to find the best thread for the sedation debate for members to add their comments.

Meanwhile you might like to read this chapter from PeterMac's free e-book..

https://whatreallyhappenedtomadeleinemccann.blogspot.com/2016/08/chapter-5-sedation.html

Between this long awaited book and the fantasy novel published by the Olive Press, the forum has gone a bit haywire - not something I like to see.

I ask your cooperation by just giving a little more thought before posting, try to locate the appropriate thread without relying on key words like Amaral/Olive Press/Jon Clarke and just diving in.

Just a little of your time will make my life so much easier.

Cheers!

NB: For information only..

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t16813-a-tale-of-sedation#416002

sorry I didn't mean to. Sad

by **crusader** 15.10.21 18:52

Not your fault @Vera Krista I think it was me who started it.

by Verdi 16.10.21 0:13

It's nobody's fault, the discussion format is in it's infancy so no one can be blamed for general commentary.

Give me time - all will be resolved.

by Verdi 16.10.21 0:29

xklamation wrote:That's a good idea Verdi, do you think you can .add the video translation that is ongoing to a new single thread? https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t17184p25-goncalo-amaral-new-book-general-discussion#443472 Otherwise it will get lost in the discussion. And it's tiresome to have to keep scrolling. Thank you.

And can you delete this post from the book analysis thread then please https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t17193-maddie-enough-of-the-lies-book-overview-and-discussion#443855 :)

I've been giving this some further thought.

Paulo Alexandre's thread should be exclusively for his translation of book excerpts and his observations, restricted to very little or no member contribution.

This thread should be exclusively for important side issues, like highlights and translations of press coverage, videos, interviews and constructive book reviews - that's where you come in xklamation whistling

! Not wishing to burden you but you have already extensively contributed in this respect so I'm confident the spirit is willing. It could be your corner so to speak, again with restricted member participation.

This way your ongoing video translation can stay where it is.

I can't be sure at the moment how much attention the book is going to attract - fourteen+ years down the line interest in the case is dwindling somewhat but I think we can be sure forum members will look for a place where they can air their views on the book and specific subject matter, a free for all so say. Trial and error might be the way forward.

Not decided yet how to approach the latter - I'll have a word with The Boss, she who must be obeyed bow2

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Do you mind taking control of this thread? It would be very much appreciated singlerose

NB: I will delete your post over yonder as requested, along with my own so as not to show favoritism big grin

by **xklamation** 16.10.21 9:25

It's all good Verdi, whatever you decide, I'm happy to help either way :) I need however to be able to edit that Video transcript post. The edit button disappeared, I just get "multi quote" and the "quote" buttons above now.

No edit button to click

Gonçalo Amaral New Book: General Discussion. - Page 4 Screen11

Edited to add: Yes, all good now, thank you Jill.

by Verdi 16.10.21 13:31

The Boss has created a new sub-forum in honour of Gonçalo Amaral, he is after all the integral kingpin of the investigation, past and present!

So, as you've graciously agreed singlerose

to give us more of your precious time, this particular thread will be yours to post-up translated Snr Amaral's interviews, book promotions, book commentary and reviews - and whatever else you think important and/or useful.

General member comments already posted here will be moved when I've decided how best to move forward with this exciting new development. Hopefully over the weekend.

You can continue your work here at your convenience - thankee salute

!

Slowly slowly catchy monkey ....

NB: I'll change your thread title in due course, so as to avoid confusion.

by Verdi 16.10.21 13:35

Strike all that, it would of course be simpler to move you xklamation!

All will be revealed - or not as the case may be ....

confused

by **xklamation** 16.10.21 14:35

Verdi wrote:Strike all that, it would of course be simpler to move you xklamation!

All will be revealed - or not as the case may be ....

ahahah what? It's fine as it is smilie

I'm good with the current format xx

by Verdi 16.10.21 16:05

I have moved you here xklamation..

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t17198-goncalo-amaral-enough-of-the-lies-promotion-and-reviews

Members can continue to discuss topics taken from the book on this thread .... 'General Discussion'.

thumbup

by **xklamation** 16.10.21 16:30

Awesome, don't have to scroll so much, thank you so much Verdi Gonçalo Amaral New Book: General Discussion. - Page 4 1f618

by **Jill Havern** 16.10.21 16:50

I knew you'd fix it Verdi high5

by **xklamation** 16.10.21 22:02

Media Coverage in Portugal

So Gonçalo Amaral was 2 days ago on a late afternoon talk show on TVI, titled Goucha, the name of the presenter, https://tvi.iol.pt/goucha/search?pagina=1&pesquisa=GON%C3%87ALO+AMARAL and here

Yesterday on CMTV morning talk show https://www.cmjornal.pt/multimedia/videos/detalhe/goncalo-amaral-arrasa-acao-das-autoridades-alemas-no-caso-maddie-esta-investigacao-e-arranjada-e-nao-tem-nada

A podcast was recorded for a political podcast on the 14th, soon to become available https://twitter.com/bfc1975/status/1448592702585679876

Tonight he was invited to "CM Jornal 20h" (News at 20h) on CMTV, in an exclusive interview (see screenshot)

Gonçalo Amaral New Book: General Discussion. - Page 4 Firefo53

And there were several Rua Segura TV programmes debating the book, the German investigation, some with interesting bits of info, which in time I'll translate.

Plus the expected media coverage on newspapers, TV, magazines.

Update: Right now, 3pm, 18 October 2021, Gonçalo Amaral is on Linha Aberta, presented by Hernâni Carvalho, on SIC TV channel.

Gonçalo Amaral New Book: General Discussion. - Page 4 Firefo56

by **sharonl** 16.10.21 22:42

Brilliant!! He seems to be doing really well.

Thanks for the update Xklamation.

by **xklamation** 16.10.21 23:04

From the new interview on CMTV tonight comes this, quickly translated:

"The PJ denies any climate of tension with the German authorities, they do not believe the criticism that has been made by the German prosecutor and that has been quoted by British journalists.

As part of the joint investigation, CMTV understands that on the 18th and 19th of this month there will be a meeting between the Judiciary Police and the German authorities. Elements (information) that have been requested continue to be provided and just recently the Germans were in Portugal to search for more clues about Maddie's disappearance."

by Silverspeed 16.10.21 23:35

xklamation wrote:From the new interview on CMTV tonight comes this, quickly translated:

"The PJ denies any climate of tension with the German authorities, they do not believe the criticism that has been made by the German prosecutor and that has been quoted by British journalists.

As part of the joint investigation, CMTV understands that on the 18th and 19th of this month there will be a meeting between the Judiciary Police and the German authorities. Elements (information) that have been requested continue to be provided and just recently the Germans were in Portugal to search for more clues about Maddie's disappearance."

Thanks xklamation. So a meeting between the two police forces this Monday and Tuesday it seems. Should be interesting.
Goncalo seems to be getting about a bit aswell which is good.

by Guest 20.10.21 14:23

xklamation wrote:Media Coverage in Portugal

Update: Right now, 3pm, 18 October 2021, Gonçalo Amaral is on Linha Aberta, presented by Hernâni Carvalho, on SIC TV channel.

There is an interesting part where Mr. Amaral and Hernâni Carvalho talk about MMRG's research, in particular the "Last Photo".

https://amp.sic.pt/Programas/linha-aberta-com-hernani-carvalho/videos/2021-10-19-Linha-Aberta-com-Hernani-Carvalho---18-de-outubro---Parte-2-c2c2102d

It starts at 24:12

Are you going to translate this part, Joana?

by **xklamation** 20.10.21 15:39

Hi Paulo, I was going to do the whole interview with Hernâni Carvalho - Linha Aberta, I told Jill that it was far more interesting, with bits of information than the one I'm currently translating with GA on CMTV Jornal, but I'm so delayed, if you have time and want to do that segment I'd be very thankful. Video transcriptions are hell compared to written texts. :) Obrigada, Paulo.

by Guest 20.10.21 17:04

xklamation wrote:Hi Paulo, I was going to do the whole interview with Hernâni Carvalho - Linha Aberta, I told Jill that it was far more interesting, with bits of information than the one I'm currently translating with GA on CMTV Jornal, but I'm so delayed, if you have time and want to do that segment I'd be very thankful. Video transcriptions are hell compared to written texts. :) Obrigada, Paulo.

No problem thumbsup

by **Jill Havern** 20.10.21 18:17

You guys

by Guest 20.10.21 19:14

Yes, thank you for what you do.

by **xklamation** 20.10.21 23:45

Finally completed the long translation https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t17198-goncalo-amaral-enough-of-the-lies-promotion-and-reviews#444289 It's a good one.

by Guest 21.10.21 14:41

https://amp.sic.pt/Programas/linha-aberta-com-hernani-carvalho/videos/2021-10-19-Linha-Aberta-com-Hernani-Carvalho---18-de-outubro---Parte-2-c2c2102d

At 24:12, Hernâni asks Gonçalo Amaral the following:

Hernâni Carvalho: Mas eu tinha outra questão para lhe pôr, que era esta - um polícia bastante conhecido, reformado, inglês, que se chama Peter, defende que a Madeleine McCann terá desaparecido a 29 de abril, ou seja, uma semana antes da data oficial do seu desaparecimento. Quer comentar?

Gonçalo Amaral: É possível, é possível. Eu neste meu novo livro falo nessa hipótese. Aborda essa hipótese. Não é só ele, ele era superintendente da polícia britânica. São outras pessoas - advogados e outras pessoas. Não é um bando de lunáticos. Eles pegaram, em termos do estado do tempo daquela altura, com análises de satélite do estado do tempo, e dizem que aquela fotografia que os pais dizem, ou a família ou o staff lá do... dos pais desta criança, que foi efetuada no domingo na piscina onde está o pai ao lado, que não é possível porque naquele dia o tempo não estava daquela forma e portanto que, para eles, aquilo só aparece para provar ou tentar induzir em erro e dizer que a criança estava viva naquela altura. Esta teoria tem algumas dificuldades de se comprovar, nomeadamente por causa do registo do infantário, nomeadamente naquele dia 3 de [maio], mas depois já se veio a saber mais tarde que há uma funcionária do infantário que será familiar...amiga de um padrinho ou da criança desaparecida...

Hernâni Carvalho: Mas eu lembro-me da folha de registo do infantário estar rasurada.

Gonçalo Amaral: Sim, sim, aquelas assinaturas são meras rubricas e que facilmente são falsificadas.

TRANSLATION:

Hernâni Carvalho: But I had another question that I wanted to ask you - a very well-know and retired British policeman, named Peter, posits that Madeleine McCann disappeared on 29 April, that is, a week before the official date of the disappearance. Do you want to comment?

Gonçalo Amaral: It's possible, it's possible. I speak about that scenario in my new book. The book touches on that scenario. It's not just him, he was superintendent of the British police. There are other people - lawyers and others. They are not a bunch of lunatics. They analysed weather records for that week, using satellite images, and they say that the photograph, of [Gerry McCann] sitting by the pool, was taken on Sunday, which is not possible [that the photo was taken on Thursday] because, on that day, the weather wasn't like that. So, according to them, [the photograph] exists to mislead or prove that the missing child was alive at that time. It's very difficult to prove this theory, namely because of the creche records, including those dated 3rd of May. However, it later turned out that there was an employee of the creche who was a relative... or a friend of someone's godfather.

Hernâni Carvalho: But I remember that the creche sheet had parts that were crossed out.

Gonçalo Amaral: Yes, yes, there are signatures and they can easily be falsified.

by Guest 21.10.21 14:47

Goncalo wrote:and they say that the photograph, of [Gerry McCann] sitting by the pool, was taken on Sunday, which is not possible because, on that day, the weather wasn't like that.

Is this translated correctly?

The weather wasn't like that on Thursday but it WAS like that on Sunday.

by Verdi 21.10.21 16:19

BlueBag wrote:
Goncalo wrote:and they say that the photograph, of [Gerry McCann] sitting by the pool, was taken on Sunday, which is not possible because, on that day, the weather wasn't like that.
Is this translated correctly?

The weather wasn't like that on Thursday but it WAS like that on Sunday.

You've taken one sentence and read out of context BlueBag.

Read again..

They analysed weather records for that week, using satellite images, and they say that the photograph, of [Gerry McCann] sitting by the pool, was taken on Sunday, which is not possible [that the photo was taken on Thursday] because, on that day, the weather wasn't like that.

by Guest 22.10.21 7:51

Verdi wrote:
BlueBag wrote:
Goncalo wrote:and they say that the photograph, of [Gerry McCann] sitting by the pool, was taken on Sunday, which is not possible because, on that day, the weather wasn't like that.
Is this translated correctly?

The weather wasn't like that on Thursday but it WAS like that on Sunday.

You've taken one sentence and read out of context BlueBag.

Read again..

They analysed weather records for that week, using satellite images, and they say that the photograph, of [Gerry McCann] sitting by the pool, was taken on Sunday, which is not possible [that the photo was taken on Thursday] because, on that day, the weather wasn't like that.

Actually I didn't.

You added the part in brackets... so "read again" isn't reading again.

I also translated the paragraph in Google and got a different outcome as well with something about a door.

Is there anyone else on this forum who can translate the paragraph properly?

by Guest 22.10.21 8:25

BlueBag wrote:
Verdi wrote:
BlueBag wrote:
Goncalo wrote:and they say that the photograph, of [Gerry McCann] sitting by the pool, was taken on Sunday, which is not possible because, on that day, the weather wasn't like that.
Is this translated correctly?

The weather wasn't like that on Thursday but it WAS like that on Sunday.

You've taken one sentence and read out of context BlueBag.

Read again..

They analysed weather records for that week, using satellite images, and they say that the photograph, of [Gerry McCann] sitting by the pool, was taken on Sunday, which is not possible [that the photo was taken on Thursday] because, on that day, the weather wasn't like that.

Actually I didn't.

You added the part in brackets... so "read again" isn't reading again.

I also translated the paragraph in Google and got a different outcome as well with something about a door.

Is there anyone else on this forum who can translate the paragraph properly?

Actually Verdi didn't - I did it while you were replying to my post.

Also, there's no mention of a "door" ("porta" in Portuguese) in Gonçalo Amaral's statement.

by **crusader** 22.10.21 8:58

My translation is exactly what Verdi posted.

by Guest 22.10.21 9:14

crusader wrote:My translation is exactly what Verdi posted.

I think you mean interpretation.

However it literally says this which can't be correct.

and they say that the photograph, of [Gerry McCann] sitting by the pool, was taken on Sunday, which is not possible because, on that day, the weather wasn't like that.

by Guest 22.10.21 9:21

São outras pessoas - advogados e outras pessoas. Não é um bando de lunáticos. Eles pegaram, em termos do estado do tempo daquela altura, com análises de satélite do estado do tempo, e dizem que aquela fotografia que os pais dizem, ou a família ou o staff lá do... dos pais desta criança, que foi efetuada no domingo na piscina onde está o pai ao lado, que não é possível porque naquele dia o tempo não estava daquela forma e portanto que, para eles, aquilo só aparece para provar ou tentar induzir em erro e dizer que a criança estava viva naquela altura.

Google translate wrote:It's other people - lawyers and other people. It's not a bunch of lunatics. They took it, in terms of the weather at that time, with satellite weather analysis, and they say that that picture that the parents say, or the family or the staff over there from... this child's parents, that was taken on Sunday at the pool where the father is next door, which is not possible because that day the weather was not like that and therefore, for them, it only appears to prove or try to mislead and say that the child was alive at that time

I know he means they say Thursday and we say Sunday... however that is not coming across for whatever reason.

by **crusader** 22.10.21 9:53

My TRANSLATION is correct.

They say that the photograph of (Gerry McCann) sitting by the pool was taken on Sunday, which is not possible (that the photo was taken on Thursday) because, on that day the weather wasn't like that.

Google TRANSLATE not Google interpretation.

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