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Post by cookiemuncher 05.07.20 22:40

Silentscope wrote:
Verdi wrote:
Silentscope wrote:The production of a body is of course not ESSENTIAL for a prosecution, but it sure stops the chosen abduction narrative cold.

The PJ are surely on the right track based on the available evidence.

The Germans have recently uncovered a Shed in Munster purpose built with Terrabytes of encrypted Pedoporn, and have so far made 17 arrests in connection with associated networks in the Internet.

To your question(s)

1. Herr Wolter is the State prosecuter for Braunschweig.
2. His game plan is to remove as many Paedophiles as possible from society to a) preserve innocence. b) remove any chance that far right organisations can capitalise on this as they are demanding the death penalty be reinstated for childmolesters. 
3. The CDU Christian Democratic Union

No it doesn't stop the chosen abduction narrative cold, the abduction theory is still alive and kicking to this very day.  It was/is the remit of the Metropolitan Police special unit, Operation Grange.

Yes and the German endeavours to wipe-out paedophilia and safe-guard children is commendable but your reference  has no apparent connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

That aside, as you no doubt realised, I was referring to Herr Wolter's rationale for direct involvement with the case of missing Madeleine McCann, not his general standing in the world of crime.


There appears to be something lost in translation here, 

If regrettably a body was found today and then positively and independently identified, how could Op Grange still say it’s a missing person enquiry. Maddie was reported missing but is now found. End of story. Or?

The only apparent connection with the disappearance is a telephone call, the Germans are apparently sincere in their endeavours to either prove or disprove CBs relevance to this and other running investigations.

I suspect Herr Wolters is doing what Dr. Amaral did, his job - without fear or favour. He is certainly not being hampered by his Political peers at the moment. I personally doubt he has any ulterior motives. You must ask him personally as I cannot speak for him or the BKA. SORRY...
re: your last sentence 

"I doubt he has any ulterior motives.  You must ask him personally as I cannot speak for him or the BKA.  SORRY...."

But you are aren't you, that's why you've come on to the forum to try and derail the abduction theory.

You keep ignoring the fact that cadaver odour takes an hour to form yet you still persist that this German guy, I can't be bothered to spell his name, murdered Madeleine and took her away all in about a length of 20 minutes or so of Gerry having a wee in the apartment, watching the football and KM screaming "Madeleine's gone", and running to the Tapas Bar whilst leaving the twins alone in the apartment, or have I missed something.
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Post by sharonl 05.07.20 22:41

Given that he is a burglar, with a ready supply of mobile phones, he is unlikely to take out a contract or register his phone.

If he did register his phone, where would he register it too? He had not address.

So we have a guy with a PAYG mobile and no address. How did the police trace the phone to him at the time?

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Post by Tony Bennett 05.07.20 22:57

Way back in 2013 and 2014, Operation Grange came up with a blizzard of statistics about how many witness statements they'd taken, how many paedophiles they'd traced, how many
suspects they'd interviewed etc. etc.

It was mainly to convince the gullible British public that this really, really was a very serious and meticulous investigation.

Amongst that welter of statistics was a boast that they'd examined the mobile 'phone records of over 11,000 people and had issued rogatory requests to 31 countries in order to get hold of them.

I thought at the time: "They are going to spend literally hundreds of man-hours trawling through the mobile 'phone records simply in order to find a suitable fake suspect".

And this why we've ended up with this wild goose chase after Christian Brueckner.

If this tells us anything, it shows us the utter desperation of the powers-that-be to make us believe a lie.

What really happened to Madeleine to.make them expend millions of pounds and so much time and effort for over 13 years?

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Post by sallypelt 05.07.20 23:30

Tony Bennett wrote:Way back in 2013 and 2014, Operation Grange came up with a blizzard of statistics about how many witness statements they'd taken, how many paedophiles they'd traced, how many
suspects they'd interviewed etc. etc.

It was mainly to convince the gullible British public that this really, really was a very serious and meticulous investigation.

Amongst that welter of statistics was a boast that they'd examined the mobile 'phone records of over 11,000 people and had issued rogatory requests to 31 countries in order to get hold of them.

I thought at the time: "They are going to spend literally hundreds of man-hours trawling through the mobile 'phone records simply in order to find a suitable fake suspect".

And this why we've ended up with this wild goose chase after Christian Brueckner.

If this tells us anything, it shows us the utter desperation of the powers-that-be to make us believe a lie.

What really happened to Madeleine to.make them expend millions of pounds and so much time and effort for over 13 years?
Tony, I don't think anyone who has been following this MM saga for the past 13 years believe that CB has anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance, BUT could there be something in the use of mobile phones?  Wasn't there some discussion about the T9 - and particularly David Payne - getting his hands on pay-as-you-go mobile phones? Why would they want these phones, when they all had mobile phones already? Where would have had these phones from? I doubt if he would have gone into a shop to buy them if the T9 were trying to hide something. 

This is a quote, taken from The Telegraph, dated 3 June 2020:
…"in 2007, when Madeleine McCann went missing from the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz, the iPhone was still a month away from going on sale. Most people carried basic mobile phones without touchscreens, internet connections and GPS chips.

However, mobile phone records, including location data and records of calls and texts made between numbers, could still be used to trace criminal suspects and potential accomplice"
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Post by Silverspeed 06.07.20 0:31

Verdi wrote:
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Silentscope wrote:Thanks Verdi for putting me on the right page!

Recent news from the German front reports that from 768 calls generated from the Akte X/Y Programme, 16 were on target reference the phone number. One of them claims to know who the owner was.
Investigations are running to see who topped this card up.
Most people wouldn't be able to remember their own mobile phone number from 13 years ago, let alone someone else's. Pull the other one.

I can't even remember my own mobile phone number today smilie !  I haven't a clue about anyone else's phone number - they are stored in my phone so I don't need to remember.

As you say, pull the other one.  Never mind about mobile phone numbers, I think people forget all the past spin associated with the case - thirteen years of it!

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I can remember my own mobile number, as i have kept the same number for a few years mainly for business reasons, but i wouldn't have a clue what anyone else's number would be. Not even members of my own family. The chances of someone remembering somebody else's mobile number from 13 years ago is about as likely as someone remembering what pyjamas their child was wearing on a particular night, on holiday over six years ago, and still having them even though they would have obviously outgrown them ages ago. It's just absurd.
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Madeleine McCann: Christian Brueckner facts exposed
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Madeleine McCann: an at-a-glance look at reporting on the missing child.
The media continues to look at Christian Brueckner, which given his status as a prisoner of the German state is a news beat light easy on shoe leather.
The Star kicks things off by telling readers that the man suspected of kidnapping and murdering Madeleine McCann once live next to a British policeman in Portugal. Do you know your next door neighbour? Do you know what they’re up, if they have a criminal record for child abuse or work for an organisation some see as institutionally racist?
The insight into life on Brueckner’s street comes via Austrian couple Oliver and Karin Stenard. They tell a telly show in Portugal that they employed Brueckner as a handyman. He lived opposite them with his girlfriend. “The next door neighbour at the time’s an English policeman,” the Star quotes one saying. “He’s working for Scotland Yard.” The Sun watches the same show. The Sun presents its review of the show as an “exclusive”.
What of this copper? Was he sent to Portugal to watch the suspect? That seems unlikely because he is said to have already owned the property in 2007 when Brueckner was there and Madeleine McCann vanished. “Scotland Yard detective who lived next door to Madeleine McCann suspect in the Algarve ‘is working with police to find her’,” says the Mail. Now he is or then he was? The Mail adds:
The British police officer owns a house next door to a property where the German paedophile worked following the youngster’s disappearance, the drifter’s former Algarve bosses say.
We’re then told the suspect allegely exposed himself to children:
…angry parents revealed he had escaped trial in the Algarve despite exposing himself to four young children in a playground while he was on the run from German police for a separate sex crime. One of the parents fought back tears in an interview last night as she admitted: ‘If he had snatched one of the children and put them in his van, we might never have seen them again.’
He didn’t snatch the woman’s child. And as far as the evidence goes we do not know if he has ever snatched a child. “Madeleine McCann suspect ‘could have snatched another child’, say parents of young girl he allegedly exposed himself to.” says the Telegraph. Well, he could have. And then again, he might not have. As for snatching “another child”, well, police have yet to charge him snatching any child.
Nelia Bras, mum of one of the youngsters Brueckner allegedly pleasured himself in front of, added: ‘My daughter was eight at the time. He spoke to her in English and asked her, ‘What’s your name?’
‘It’s very traumatic knowing that someone who’s been linked to so many cases and is perhaps a very dangerous man was so close to my little girl and spoke to her and could have snatched her or any other child who was there.’
And then the speculation is cranked up.
“Christian Brueckner was living in the house in Foral when Madeleine McCann disappeared,” says Karin Stenard. “Foral is a big area and there was no-one around at the time. I say he killed her and there was a lot of space to bury her. I think her body may be buried there and I told the police that.”
The report below the TV show on Portuguese broadcaster RT’s website tells us (via Google Translate):
Germany knew that Christian Bruckner had been a pedophile since 1994, found him twice in Portugal and never associated him with the disappearance of Madeleine Mccann. Nor do the Portuguese authorities, although they have extradited him twice for sexual crimes against children. The first in 1999, the second in 2017.
For 22 years, this man lived among us and traveled without any motorhome control in Europe, benefiting from the free movement guaranteed since the Schengen agreement.
Burckner was last extradited in 2017, after being caught in the act of committing a crime that today qualifies as sexual abuse against four Portuguese children, all of them girls under the age of 14.
Despite the flagrant crime in a playground in São Bartolomeu de Messines, this crime by Brukner against Portuguese children was never prosecuted and remains unpunished.
Allegedly.
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Post by Justice_4_Maddie 06.07.20 1:00

Hey guys,I'm new here. 

Cant figure out how to multi quote on this forum but in response to people saying how can someone remember a phone number from many years ago. Personally I think its very believable that people would remember this guys phone number. He was a drug dealer and these sort of people have many calls/texts each day for people wanting drugs. Its not that far fetched for me to believe that someone still remembers this scum bags phone number because people that want drugs are needy for them and remembering a dealers number would be important to said person wanting the drugs. Also don't forget that payphones were more frequently used in 2007 so remembering or writing down someones number wouldve been more common also.
 

Just my 2 cents! And I pray this new lead brings the justice that Maddie deserves. God bless.
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Post by Verdi 06.07.20 1:30

sandancer wrote:" One morning I saw him chasing the sheep " 

Was he shouting " mint sauce " ?    laugh spit coffee roflmao

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Post by Verdi 06.07.20 1:39

sallypelt wrote: Wasn't there some discussion about the T9 - and particularly David Payne - getting his hands on pay-as-you-go mobile phones? Why would they want these phones, when they all had mobile phones already? Where would have had these phones from? I doubt if he would have gone into a shop to buy them if the T9 were trying to hide something.

There was indeed..

01:26:10 Reply "Yeah, I mean err it may well have been SA gave us a contact of someone that was a friend of the family in Portugal who err could get us mobile phones because Kate and Gerry you know hadn't got any contact, you know way of contacting, their batteries were running out or something like that so SAhad basically said err you know there's, there's these people that we know there and you know that could have been it.'

David Payne's rogatory interview - April 2008

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Post by Verdi 06.07.20 1:44

Silverspeed wrote:
Verdi wrote:
Silverspeed wrote:
Silentscope wrote:Thanks Verdi for putting me on the right page!

Recent news from the German front reports that from 768 calls generated from the Akte X/Y Programme, 16 were on target reference the phone number. One of them claims to know who the owner was.
Investigations are running to see who topped this card up.
Most people wouldn't be able to remember their own mobile phone number from 13 years ago, let alone someone else's. Pull the other one.

I can't even remember my own mobile phone number today smilie !  I haven't a clue about anyone else's phone number - they are stored in my phone so I don't need to remember.

As you say, pull the other one.  Never mind about mobile phone numbers, I think people forget all the past spin associated with the case - thirteen years of it!

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I can remember my own mobile number, as i have kept the same number for a few years mainly for business reasons, but i wouldn't have a clue what anyone else's number would be. Not even members of my own family. The chances of someone remembering somebody else's mobile number from 13 years ago is about as likely as someone remembering what pyjamas their child was wearing on a particular night, on holiday over six years ago, and still having them even though they would have obviously outgrown them ages ago. It's just absurd.

I jest, these days I can remember my current mobile phone number, (it took a long time to register) I too move the sim card/contract from one phone to another so as to retain the same number  Mainly because it's become like an ID card,  the mini-me so to speak.

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Post by Doug D 06.07.20 9:23

Those nasty Germans at it again!
 
Der Fall hatte weltweit für Aufsehen gesorgt, auch weil die Eltern des damals dreijährigen Kindes jahrelang nichts unversucht ließen, ihre Tochter doch noch zu finden.
 
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The case had caused a sensation worldwide, also because the parents of the then three-year-old child did nothing for years to find their daughter.
 
https://www.n-tv.de/panorama/Kein-dringender-Verdacht-gegen-Christian-B-article21889317.html?fbclid=IwAR3qUzJwj7q_KCWg2OmevC4tPSlX3cseyao4Ajs6BrH4yM5ApQeSJekRsR8
 
Surely not??????!!!!!!??????
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Post by PeterMac 06.07.20 9:27

They went to ask the Pope if he had got her, but he explained he wasn't interested in little girls!
Then Gerry went to the US to ask if the President had got her, but he explained he was too busy killing children in Iraq
Then they went to Morocco, but they explained they preferred camels
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PeterMac wrote:They went to ask the Pope if he had got her, but he explained he wasn't interested in little girls!
Then Gerry went to the US to ask if the President had got her, but he explained he was too busy killing children in Iraq
Then they went to Morocco, but they explained they preferred camels

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Post by ROSA 06.07.20 10:03

N0T expecting much to come out of Germany with regards to this latest suspect …………………………………………...the real suspects lie in plain sight

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For Paulo Sargento, the thesis that Gonçalo Amaral revealed at first hand to "SP" that the blanket could have been used in a funeral ceremony at the Luz chapel "is very interesting".
 
And he adds: "In reality, when the McCanns went to Oprah's Show, the blanket was mentioned. At a given moment, when Oprah tells Kate that she heard her mention a blanket several times, Kate argued that a mother who misses a child always wants to know if she is comfortable, if she is warm, and added, referring to Maddie, that sometimes she asked herself if the person who had taken her would cover her up with her little blanket (but the blanket was on the bed after Maddie, supposedly, disappeared!!!).
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Flashing News

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner 'exposed himself' to young girl

A mum has claimed the convicted German paedophile was caught with his trousers down under a slide in San Bartolomeu de Messines, 40 miles from the resort of Praia da Luz where Maddie went missing

ByAnthony BlairSenior News Reporter
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10:47, 6 JUL 2020Updated10:56, 6 JUL 2020

Christian Brueckner, the man suspected of involvement in the kidnapping of Madeleine McCann, allegedly exposed himself to a young girl in a playground.

A mum has claimed the German convicted paedophile chillingly ( cold ) spoke to her daughter while he exposed himself in a playground.

She said she found Brueckner with his trousers down under a slide in the Portugal town of San Bartolomeu de Messines, 40 miles from Praia da Luz where Madeleine, three, went missing in 2007.

The 43-year-old was arrested in 2017 for carrying out a sex act in front of four children.

He was extradited to his native Germany and is currently in jail for drug offences.

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-22308100


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Post by Silentscope 06.07.20 14:48

In reply to my apparent non compliance with the PJs evidence, 

You keep ignoring the fact that cadaver odour takes an hour to form yet you still persist that this German guy, I can't be bothered to spell his name, murdered Madeleine and took her away all in about a length of 20 minutes or so of Gerry having a wee in the apartment, watching the football and KM screaming "Madeleine's gone", and running to the Tapas Bar whilst leaving the twins alone in the apartment, or have I missed something.

IF the German suspect Brückner (and it’s still looking increasingly LESS likely if he will be connected) was indeed responsible for anything to do with the alleged abduction, the only way he COULD have done it was to have entered 5A sometime between Madeleines arrival at the OC and her reported abduction.

If he was involved he left no physical traces, and his profile suggests he would have left a mess that someone else would have to clear up. I don’t believe he was the alleged abductor. He will no doubt be either confirmed or ruled out of the investigation by the BKA in due course. They are not hampered by Politics.

When all the Pawns are used up, the Bishops have turned away, the Knights are running in circles and the Castles offer no protection, it’s CHECKMATE. 

Unless someone has a vast list of future patsys saved up to perpetuate the never ending story....
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Post by Silentscope 06.07.20 15:09

Doug D wrote:Those nasty Germans at it again!
 
Der Fall hatte weltweit für Aufsehen gesorgt, auch weil die Eltern des damals dreijährigen Kindes jahrelang nichts unversucht ließen, ihre Tochter doch noch zu finden.
 
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The case had caused a sensation worldwide, also because the parents of the then three-year-old child did nothing for years to find their daughter.
 
https://www.n-tv.de/panorama/Kein-dringender-Verdacht-gegen-Christian-B-article21889317.html?fbclid=IwAR3qUzJwj7q_KCWg2OmevC4tPSlX3cseyao4Ajs6BrH4yM5ApQeSJekRsR8
 
Surely not??????!!!!!!??????
Google translate is wrong - UNVERSUCHT means untried, they left nothing untried for years to find their daughter. 

Good that Christian B is eliminated from the enquiry at last, but he has plenty other crimes to answer for...
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Post by Verdi 06.07.20 15:45

Silentscope wrote:Google translate is wrong - UNVERSUCHT means untried, they left nothing untried for years to find their daughter.

At least the googlel translate was on the mark. Your much appreciated correction might be linguistically correct but it's not factually correct!

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Post by Verdi 06.07.20 15:50

Silentscope @ #345

What are you trying to say - your post makes little or no sense.

I did however notice your frequent use of the words abduct and abduction.

Madeleine McCann was not abducted.

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Post by splurgegun 06.07.20 16:16

@ silentscope

Bruckner was eliminated?  by who?
Where does that leave the German prosecutor with the concrete evidence? Or does concrete evidence translate as something different in German?
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Post by splurgegun 06.07.20 16:35

Has anyone watched the Aktenzeichen XY episode?  is there a subtitled version?  Was it any good? or a complete waste of time?
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