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Post by Mark Willis on 07.08.18 9:00

About time MWT's machinations were aired. I have always thought him a charlatan. Thanks for placing all the articles in one place.
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Post by Jill Havern on 07.08.18 9:07

Snipped from a letter CMOMM sent in 2013 to Surrey Police:

ex- Surrey PC.     Mark Williams-Thomas.

Bringing the Force, and the Service, into Disrepute.

Mark Williams-Thomas’  name crops up in various places.  He bills himself as an “expert in Child abuse”, and refers back to his service in the Surrey Police, when it seems he was a DC for a short time and a Family Liaison Officer, also for a short time. [3]

It is recorded that he was prosecuted for Blackmail, one assumes by Surrey Officers, and although acquitted left the Force in 1990 under circumstances which he has never explained.  From what we can gather he completed only 11 or 12 years service.  Strangely he claims to have been re-employed by Surrey Police as a DC for one year in 2009, and also claims to have worked whilst in the police on child protection variously for 12 years, and for 20 years.  [1]  [2]  [3]  [4]  [5]

He previously claimed that he single-handedly brought the Savile case to the notice of the public. He has pontificated on several other cases and has said that he is engaged in viewing Child Pornography on the internet “for research purposes”.   He has not made it clear that he is among the persons authorised to do so.   [5]

But one of his more damaging claims is that whilst he was in Surrey Police he ‘led’ a number of murder and national paedophile investigations. [3]   [6]

Surrey, like all other forces, operates along ACPO guidelines for the investigation of serious crime, allocating even “simple”  murders to DI or DCI, overseen by Det Supt, and that a National Paedophile enquiry would be co-ordinated by the DChSupt, reporting to the ACC Crime and would be on a joint Inter-force Liaison group specially set up for the purpose.

For Mark Williams-Thomas to represent that he, as a junior DC personally ”led” such enquires must cause the general public of Surrey to doubt whether they have been given a proper professional service.  This is potentially damaging for the image of Surrey Police and of the Service as a whole.

Whilst anyone is entitled to carve out a professional life after retirement or resignation, and fantasists may not commit offences by their statements - unless thereby they obtain pecuniary advantage -  his activities seem to be beyond acceptable, and it may be that the Surrey police should be invited to consider issuing some form of explanatory statement, perhaps in the form of a Press release, to be used at the appropriate moments, in which the true facts about his service and real experience were set out.  [7]

 It cannot be in the public interest, especially in the currently extremely sensitive areas of child sexual abuse and paedophilia, for a person to make bogus claims about his expertise, based on a series of false statements about his service as a Surrey Police Officer.  




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1 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-savile-investigator-mark-[url=http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-savile-investigator-mark- williams-thomas-1509838#ixzz2SuTADf4z]williams-thomas-1509838#ixzz2SuTADf4z[/url]

"As a police officer I worked in the area of child protection for 20 years". 

2 [url=http://hardcastleintel.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/criminal-fraud-on-massive- scale.html]http://hardcastleintel.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/criminal-fraud-on-massive- scale.html[/url]

Let us look at just one of those who has driven the hysteria over Sir James Savile and who claims he "exposed " the truth in his TV tabloid show "Exposure" when what he actually did was present a series of claims.
Mark Williams-Thomas is described repeatedly as a "child protection expert". Even Australia's respected ABC program 4 Corners introduced him as such.
He has no justification for making the claim and offering himself up as an expert on how to protect children.
The truth about Mark Williams-Thomas is this  he was a uniformed police officer on the beat for 9 years with the Surrey Police.
He graduated to Detective Constable - a role he held for only nine months before he left the Surrey Police under unexplained circumstances.
No detective constable in any police force around the world conducts police investigations. Rather they are part of a team with an Inspector (at the least) overseeing an inquiry. A DC could be answering phones, chasing up addresses, sitting in a car with another officer watching a suspect.
Yet the media has blithely accepted Williams-Thomas exaggerated claim that implies he was a major investigator on a number of important cases including the jailing of celebrity Jonathan King who oddly, was not the subject of any investigation until after Williams-Thomas left the force.
It would be prudent not to ask Williams-Thomas former colleagues at the Surrey Police what they think of him taking all the credit for the team's hard work.
This eight-month former DC then popped up with a company "advising' on child protection, a subject of which he had no specific knowledge of apart from his own self appointed, non-existent qualifications.
Two companies he set up were closed down.

3 http://www.menspeakers.co.uk/speakerdetail.asp?speakerid=212

"Bringing with him his wealth of experience as hands on former Detective, Mark Williams-Thomas is able to provide a new dimension to many of the criminological problems facing today's society – for example, how the police investigate major crime and the risk management of sex offenders in the community.”   His expertise includes in particular risk management and assessment of offenders and he now owns his own Child Protection and Risk Management Consultancy - WT Associates Ltd. Prior to setting up WT Associates in 2005, Mark was a police Detective specialising in major crime. He worked on or was in charge of some of the largest paedophile and murder investigations in the country, as well as being was one of only 10 specialist Family Liaison officers during his time in the police. Mark is also completing a Masters in Criminology at the University of Central England."


4 http://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/feb/24/mark-williams-thomas- jimmy-savile?CMP=twt_fd

He began his police career in Surrey in 1989, where he was a detective and family liaison officer. He launched the high-profile investigation into the singer and record and TV producer Jonathan King in 2000, leading to his conviction in 2001 for abusing boys, and led a local inquiry into paedophilia.
Williams-Thomas has described himself as a "doer" during his 11 years in the force and was once told by a superior that he was a "nightmare to manage". 

http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/mark-williams-thomas -ma-pg-dig
Child Protection Expert & Criminologist
TV Presenter/Media
September 2005 – Present (8 years)

Consultant
Child Protection Consultant
2005 – 2011 (6 years)

Detective
Surrey Police
Public Company; 1001-5000 employees; Law Enforcement industry
2009 – 2010 (1 year)

[? ? ?]

 6 [url=http://williams-thomas.co.uk/To Catch a Paedophile]http://williams-thomas.co.uk/To%20Catch%20a%20Paedophile[/url]

I've spent the past 18 months shadowing the officers of Scotland Yard's Paedophile Unit and, despite being a former detective with more than 12 years of experience in child protection, I've been horrified by what I've seen.
It's not just the appalling nature of the photographic images that so alarms me; it's the number of them.


 7 http://www.williams-thomas.co.uk
Mark Williams Thomas (M.A) - TV Presenter, Criminologist & Child Protection Expert
Mark is a former police detective who has far-reaching experience of working at the centre of high profile investigations.
During Mark's police service, he specialised in child protection and major crime and he is renowned throughout the UK's police forces as well as the national media for his expertise in these areas.       

[my emphases]
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Re: The Mark Williams-Thomas thread

Post by Jill Havern on 07.08.18 11:20

Surrey police to hold review after trial of Jonathan King collapses

Commissioner apologises for failures in case against 73-year-old charged with sex offences

An independent review will take place after “fundamental failures” led to the collapse of disgraced music industry figure Jonathan King’s trial, a police and crime commissioner has said.

Surrey police have apologised for serious failings in their investigation and an urgent independent review has been commissioned following the decision to dismiss the case due to failures in the disclosure process. There will be no further action against King and he will not be retried over alleged historical sex offences.

The 73-year-old, of Bayswater, central London, had denied 23 serious sexual assault charges against boys aged between 14 and 16 alleged to have taken place between 1970 and 1988. The trial collapsed in June and it has been confirmed that the proceedings against King will not continue.




King, an ex-radio, TV and pop star and producer of acts including 10cc and Genesis, was released from prison in 2005 after serving half of a seven-year term for abusing underage boys between 1983 and 1989. He was previously found guilty at the Old Bailey in 2001 of sex offences against five youngsters aged 14 and 15.

In a statement after the recent proceedings were stopped, the police and crime commissioner for Surrey, David Munro, said: “I have read the judge’s decision in full and, as the police and crime commissioner for this county, I’m afraid it makes very difficult and concerning reading.

“It is clear to me there were fundamental failures in the disclosure process which have resulted in the decision to dismiss what was an important trial involving alleged victims of serious sexual offences. I am very sorry for all those involved who have been badly let down by this unacceptable and troubling situation.

“They have been denied the opportunity for a fair trial due to the undoubted shortcomings of disclosure which have been laid bare. I am extremely disappointed and have contacted the chief constable and already spoken to the deputy chief constable about this matter seeking a fuller explanation of what went wrong.”

He said they all agreed that an independent review should be commissioned to scrutinise the case “and the wider disclosure process within Surrey police to explore whether this was an isolated incident”.

“Clearly something has gone drastically wrong in this case and this must be addressed as a matter of urgency or we risk all that hard work being undone,” he said. “I will ensure my office carefully scrutinise the review and any changes required to restore the public’s faith in this area of policing.”

Surrey police said it was aware of the ruling at Southwark crown court to stay proceedings against King, adding: “We recognise that there were serious organisational failings in the investigation, particularly in relation to disclosure process and we will continue to study the judge’s ruling in detail.”

A spokesman for the Crown Prosecution Service said: “During the trial, the police made us aware of issues with their handling of disclosure in the case. We asked the court to dismiss the jury and worked with the police to remedy this ahead of a retrial. We appreciate today’s decision will be upsetting for the complainants and will contact them to explain our decision not to appeal the ruling.

“While we are satisfied the CPS handled the disclosure process appropriately and robustly in this case, there is an unprecedented focus from police and prosecutors to drive improvements in this area.”

Birds solicitors, which represented King, said: “This case is yet another example of failings in the disclosure process. The judgment of the court sets out the detail of those failings which the judge described as a ‘debacle’.”

The CPS said King originally faced 24 charges, but one was dropped.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/aug/06/surrey-police-to-hold-review-after-trial-of-dj-jonathan-king-collapses
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Re: The Mark Williams-Thomas thread

Post by Jill Havern on 07.08.18 11:56

Nikki Plummer‏ @nikki_plummer  12m12 minutes ago


Remember this #FakeNews beauty #MarkWilliamsThomas  Not content with ruining #Portugal s tourism you tried to ruin #Cyprus s too. Didnt half add some weight to Kate & Gerry #McCann s "abduction" story for a short while tho eh #MWT on #ThisMorning Until the truth poured out...



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Re: The Mark Williams-Thomas thread

Post by willowthewisp on 07.08.18 14:40

Hi Jill Havern,Verdi, So Mark williams Thomas left his Police " Note Book" with personal information with a Journalist,who No doubt broke the story about Mr Jonathon King gave close support to  Mr Cliff Richards at his "Privacy Trail" against the BBC,where it transpired the information passed as to person and Address in Berkshire with a live "Warrant" from South Yorkshire Police?

But it was Dan Johnson,the BBC Reporter "Blackmailing the Police",that forced them to reveal the person's address,well done Justice Mann for your "Fair Hearing" Not,held behind closed doors,something to hide Mr Mann about Mr Richards in regard to Operation Yewtree and a special guest house list in Richmond?

Just part of the elusive cover up on systematic child abuse in the UK," Nothing to see Here,Move along People " Bryn Alyn,Elyn,Kincora,Dunblane!?
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Re: The Mark Williams-Thomas thread

Post by Tony Bennett on 08.08.18 22:14

It appears that Mark Williams-Thomas's name came up in the recent case of Cliff Richard v the BBC, which the BBC lost.

This would appear to be an extract from the judge's judgment:



If so, it looks as though the alleged victim of Cliff Richard brought his story to the attention of the police via Mark Wiliams-Thomas and ITV.  

Also, according to the judgment in the case of the collapse of the second criminal case against Jonathan King in June, back in 2000 MWT was hawking around the names and addresses of King's alleged victims and offering journalists - for money - to arrange interviews with them.

Now, it seems that it was in the very same year (2000) that MWT 'left' Surrey Police, for reasons that until now we have not been able to find out.

A reasonable guess, based upon the sensational revelations in the Jonathan King case, would be that his misconduct came to light and that MWT was offered the choice by Surrey Police to resign - or be disciplined, or prosecuted, for misconduct in public office. As the Daily Mail reported, this offence, if proved, carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment.

It may be that MWT was vey fortunate not to be prosecuted over his alleged misconduct.

As we know, MWT WAS prosecuted soon afterwards for alleged blackmail - the offence of demanding money by making threats. He was eventually found not guilty.

It remains a mystery how he was given the information that led to him being able to front the programme which outed Jimmy Savile, making him look like a public hero.

On his website, he makes this boast:

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Mark is a multi award winning investigative reporter and has amongst his awards, two Royal Television Society Awards, a Broadcasting Press Guild Award and an International Peabody Award. He is also BAFTA nominated.

He is a former police detective and a criminologist who has far-reaching experience of working at the center of high profile investigations and undertaking major reviews.

Mark has over the last decade reported on nearly all the biggest crime stories including: Oscar Pistorius , The Alps murders, Tia Sharp murder, Claudia Lawrence murder, the murder of Alice Gross and the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

One of Mark's greatest skills is his ability to get exclusive access and interviews with key people related to the cases.

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We may legitimately ask: who exactly is helping him make these contacts - and why?

On the Madeleine McCann case, MWT was one of those sent out very soon to Praia da Luz where he made the ludicrous claim that Leonor Cipriano was innocent of the brutal murder of her own daughter, Joana, aged 8, despite the Supreme Court of Portugal in a long and detailed judgment having confirmed the guilt of her and her brother Joao, and sentenced them to 16-year jail terms (which I consider a light sentence btw).

He has made other strange pronouncements on this and other cases.   

He has also openly boasted on Twitter that he watches hours and hours of child sexual abuse, which he said was 'for professional reasons of research'. For anyone else, as with Pete Townshend of The Who, who ran a similar defence, this would be a crime. So, again, who exactly has given him permission to watch all this child sexual abuse - and why?    

Only last week he claimed that before Barry George/Bulsara was WRONGLY found guilty of murdering Jill Dando - he, MWT himself - knew the identity of the hit-man who killed her! And the media gratefully allowed him to come and spout this nonsense on TV just weeks ago!

I don't know about anyone else here, but I suspect that CMOMM member Richard D Hall was a lot nearer the truth in his recent 'Kill Jill' film than Mark Williams-Thomas will ever be about that execution.    



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ETA:    My attention has since been drawn to this Press Gazette report (some time ago) in which it is CONFIRMED that Mark Williams-Thomas WAS the source of information and the man who put the alleged victim in touch with South Yorkshire Police.


So far Williams-Thomas's efforts in that case have resulted in:

* a multi-million pound investigation by S Yorks Police into Cliff Richard which got nowhere

* Cliff Richard suffering ill-health and having to spend over £1 million defending himself

* A court case by Cliff Richard against the BBC which cost licence-payers hundreds of thousands of pounds and which resulted in a judgment which could restrict press freedoms.

Well done again, MWT      

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Post by Tony Bennett on 09.08.18 10:28

Here is Mark Williams-Thomas talking to a journalist in 2013 and boasting of how he would flout the law and police regulations by breaking strict police confidence about investigations:



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Post by Keitei on 09.08.18 21:35

Check Tweets out here: https://twitter.com/ScrewPsychoSup1

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Post by willowthewisp on 10.08.18 21:28

So what can anyone do if Mark Williams Thomas has been part of the "Masterplan"to cover up,who or what has been involved in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann?

fuck all,that's what anyone can do?

You can link him to "Twitter" posts,Teddy Shepperd,connecting his part(MWT) to the obvious disgust of millions of people,where it states he was working for the McCann's all along,due to his part of being involved via the Metropolitan Police Service,Gold Group 8th May 2007/Operation Grange?

You can then connect,Martin Brunt,Sky News Corporation,via Teddy Shepperd,Twitter, the "Dossier" to Sir Bernard Hogan Howe,Big Jim Gamble,Gerry,exposure of the Trolls,Mrs Brenda Leyland,the excuse will be it's "Circumstantial" in a case of this complexity,put down to "Conspiracy Theories" with too much time on their hands?

The more you unfurl about what these people have been involved with leads to only One point,child abuse,but there is No obvious evidence of Madeleine McCann being abused?

The parents have stated an "Hellish Liar"Paedophiles have taken Madeleine,there are the connections to person's who have frequented a known Address in Richmond Surrey,who the parents met,then there is Clement Freud connections to powerful Media magnets, Rupert Murdoch,Rebekah Brooks,David Cameron,Andy Coulson,Kenneth Clarke,Ben Fellows all circumstantial,without one shred of proof,think about it? 

In May/June 2007 the Metropolitan Police Service/Interpol investigated to a possible Paedophile Gang to have abducted Madeleine McCann. In 2008,they concluded they could find No Paedophile ring or Gang in Operation,yet in other News Paper findings,they stated the opposite,so who knows what they did or Did Not find "Operational"?

Are they all connected to Alexis Jay IICSA, directed away from the Kincora Boy's Home, MI5/6,IRA,DUP, Ministers of the Church,Royal Family?
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Post by Verdi on 14.08.18 15:49

In the week a judge throws out a THIRD historic abuse case against pop mogul Jonathan King convicted of molesting boys... Police appear in dock over missing evidence of star witness who helped secure his seven-year sentence

Child sex abuse case that saw pop mogul Jonathan King handed a seven-year jail sentence has been reopened
Fresh evidence is being considered by the Criminal Cases Review Commission
The commission is set to decide whether it will be ordering a new appeal

By David Rose for The Mail on Sunday

Published: 00:17 BST, 12 August 2018 | Updated: 00:20 BST, 12 August 2018

The child sex abuse case that saw pop mogul Jonathan King handed a seven-year jail sentence has been reopened in the light of fresh evidence – including documents which dramatically undermine the testimony of a star witness at his 2001 trial.

Fresh evidence is being considered by the Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC), which will decide whether to order a new appeal. It emerged as a result of King’s trial this year on separate, though related, charges of ‘historic’ sex abuse, some dating back to 1970.

That case was brought to an end last week when the judge issued a damning ruling, accusing Surrey Police of failing to disclose critical evidence and misleading the court.



Judge Deborah Taylor told Southwark Crown Court that it would be impossible for King to get a fair trial because ‘the integrity of the criminal justice system and processes have been undermined publicly in a fundamental way by disclosure failures and persistent misleading of the court’.


She added: ‘A trial has been aborted due to the failures. The time of the court and public money have been wasted, in a time of scarce resources… Continuation would undermine public confidence in the administration of justice.’


The Mail on Sunday can reveal that the fresh evidence to be considered by the CCRC includes:

Witness A – one of five underage victims King was convicted of abusing in 2001 – who gave a long, unpublished interview to the News of the World four years before he spoke to the police, in which he revealed a very different story from his trial testimony. This newspaper has established he told the reporter in 1997 that he met King when he was with a friend at an amusement arcade, and was not assaulted until weeks later;

In 2001, Witness A said former DJ King first approached him when he was alone at a market stall, drove him in his Rolls-Royce to a ‘peep show’ and, later that same day, took him to his home, where he assaulted him. The police knew of these discrepancies seven months before the 2001 trial, but allegedly did not disclose the 1997 account to the defence team;

As the MoS first revealed in 2016, an investigation by the author Bob Woffinden, who died earlier this year, shows that another boy King was convicted of abusing was not in the same country as the music mogul throughout the period when he claimed he was certain the alleged abuse took place. He was in England, but tickets, receipts and credit card bills unearthed by Woffinden show that King was in America;

A 2014 report by Merseyside police on Operation Arundel, the original 2001 Surrey investigation, was only disclosed to King’s lawyers shortly before the 2018 case finally collapsed. The report, triggered by Surrey’s widely criticised investigation of allegations against Jimmy Savile before his death, made sweeping criticisms of the way Arundel officers took statements from alleged victims, saying the method they used ‘increases the possibility of error’, and ‘the integrity of any statement taken in this manner is open to question’;

The report says officers failed to tape the questions they asked during interviews, while victims’ statements were written up and signed ‘days if not weeks’ afterwards from short ‘trigger notes’, instead of immediately. The CCRC will now decide whether this casts doubt on all the evidence that convicted King in 2001;

The first Arundel detective to take a statement from an alleged victim of King was Mark Williams-Thomas, now a TV presenter. According to Judge Taylor’s ruling, after Williams-Thomas left the force, police found ‘a document on his computer offering for sale names and introductions to victims of Mr King’. The judge also said that when he left, Williams-Thomas took his police notebooks concerning King with him. The prosecution said he should not have done this because they were force property;

In 2018, though not in 2001, King was charged with abusing Witness B, the alleged victim interviewed by Williams-Thomas. Witness B could not have testified in person because illness had destroyed his ability to speak: the jury would have been asked to convict King on the basis of his 2001 statement. Witness B’s medical records, which showed he had been in numerous mental institutions and had been a drug addict, were only disclosed in June, shortly before the trial collapsed.

Yesterday, King, 73, told this newspaper in an exclusive interview: ‘I’m naturally delighted by the outcome, but my real hope is to protect others in future, and to let the many teachers, care workers and others who have also been wrongly convicted of so-called historic sexual abuse to have their cases reopened too
.

‘There needs to be change at all levels. But as Judge Taylor has done, we must start with the behaviour of the police.’

He said that Surrey Chief Constable Nick Ephgrave, the man ultimately responsible, should resign.

King’s long career in pop began in 1965 when he had a top five hit while still a Cambridge student. He went on to write, perform and produce many more, while also discovering bands such as Genesis.

His contacts were also impeccable. In 2001, Simon Cowell stood him bail, and when he was arrested, King had been offered the chairmanship of recording giant EMI on an annual £5 million salary.

Other famous friends included former Page 3 model Samantha Fox.

He admits the sexual opportunities that success gave him were endless, and some might find his promiscuous behaviour reprehensible.

But he says he never made any secret of it, and was always clear he was not interested in settling down. In a recent video, he ironically described himself as a ‘vile pervert’.

‘I’m bisexual,’ he said, ‘and I had sex with hundreds of people. About 40 per cent were women.

‘But I found it absurd that in the 1970s and 1980s, I could legally have sex with a 16-year-old girl but not with a boy the same age because the age of consent for gay sex was 21.

‘So I deliberately broke the law with young men who were over 16, and who wanted to have sex with me.’

King insisted he went to elaborate lengths to ensure he never slept with anyone under 16, adding: ‘I was very good at seduction. I’m sorry if some people have come to regret having sex with me in later life. But if anyone said no, I accepted it. I knew some of those who made allegations, but I didn’t have sex with any of them.’

In all, King has faced four trials.

The first – in which he was convicted of abusing boys aged 14 and 15, with offences ranging from buggery to touching inappropriately – led to his seven-year jail sentence, of which he served three and a half years.

In the second, in November 2001, he was accused of abusing two boys but found not guilty on all counts.

A third trial due after that was dropped by the prosecution.

The charges he would have faced then were ‘left on file’. But King was assured by his lawyers that they would never be revived.

Legal experts say it is highly unusual for charges of this kind to be tried years later. However, this is what happened in King’s fourth trial, which ended last week.

Of the ten alleged victims, seven – including Witness B – had first made statements in 2001, when their claims were either left on file or did not lead to charges.

The other three came forward after King was arrested in 2015 amid huge publicity.

The 2001 trial started in June. In April, King’s defence, led by solicitor Steven Bird and Henry Blaxland QC, had tried to get the case stopped as an ‘abuse of process’, arguing it was unfair to revive the old allegations.

At that stage, the judge disagreed. But then, following pressure from King’s defence, further documents were disclosed, including the Merseyside report on Operation Arundel and Witness B’s extensive medical records.

The prosecution, acting on information from the police, had wrongly told the court these documents contained ‘nothing of relevance’, and that there was no ‘final version’ of the Merseyside report – when, in fact, there was, and Surrey Police had a copy in their files.

King was found not guilty on the two charges which had lain on file, including the claim he abused Witness B. Then the case was aborted.

Meanwhile, a long statement to police by the News of the World reporter describing his interview with Witness A in 1997, with its many discrepancies from his 2001 evidence, had also come to light.

It had been sent to King’s office as part of a package of ‘unused material’ in October 2001 but he never examined it because by then he had been convicted, and was in Belmarsh prison.

King said he was sure that the reporter’s statement had not been disclosed before his trial, and if it had been, his barrister, Ron Thwaites QC, who had a formidable reputation, would have used it to undermine Witness A’s allegations.

The 2018 prosecution lawyers said ‘it is not possible to say’ if the reporter’s statement was disclosed before the 2001 trial or not, but admitted that the information it contained was ‘not in any statement made by [Witness A] himself’.

‘I was misled,’ Judge Taylor said at the end of last week’s ruling.

She added that, whether the misleading was deliberate or not, to allow this ‘would give rise to a belief that in this type of case, where there are sexual allegations against figures in the public eye, the courts are prepared to sanction the end justifying the means’.

Perhaps most astonishingly of all, she also suggested that the 2018 case had ‘not been driven by complainants’ allegations’, but ‘by concerns about reputational damage to Surrey Police in the wake of the Savile case and the consequent Merseyside investigation’.

Last night the CCRC confirmed that it had reopened the 2001 case. A spokesman said: ‘We will examine whatever material there may be which is relevant. Anything that concerns witnesses’ credibility will have a bearing.’

Williams-Thomas said he ‘not been given any opportunity to defend myself’ before the judge issued her ruling, saying that he should have been. He said he left the police with an ‘exemplary record’ and only kept his notebooks because he was advised to do so.

As to the document the judge said was found on his computer offering to sell details of King’s alleged victims, he said: ‘After two investigations, no action was taken against me.

‘It must follow that no offences were disclosed. I categorically deny any wrongdoing here or in relation to any of the other criticisms… I pride myself on my ability to protect victims of such crimes.’

A Surrey Police spokesman said: ‘We recognise there were serious organisational failings in the investigation, particularly in relation to disclosure.’

The force ‘deeply regret we did not meet the required standards to ensure a fair trial. For this we wholeheartedly apologise.’

The spokesman added that the force had commissioned an ‘independent review’ and a formal complaint by King was now being investigated. However, Chief Constable Nick Ephgrave had ‘no intention of resigning’.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6051299/Child-sex-abuse-case-saw-pop-mogul-Jonathan-King-handed-seven-year-jail-sentence-reopened.html

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Post by willowthewisp on 14.08.18 16:26

Hi Verdi,well,well,this smoothly anointed Ex Police Officer Mark William's Thomas involved in scandalous accusations of Police Officers deliberately withholding information from a Crown Court Trail Judge,whilst serving as a Surrey Police Officer,then keeping hold of his "Police notebook",with juicy titbits?

You see its far cheaper to have the Police, " censored the case up" than re-investigate it properly,prepare it for Crown court via CPS/DPP,with all defects apparent,then thrown out for non-disclosure grounds, by the defendants legal team genius?

Then on any IOPC investigation,blame the original Police Officers or other Police forces for their incompetent practices,yet they are supposedly trained to the same standards of "Hendon",so they never pass out as "Serving Police Constables",misconduct in Public Office apparent?
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Post by nomendelta on 15.08.18 7:43

The gossip email "popbitch" featured MWT this week - interesting reading.

A few years ago, we told you that Simon Cowell’s company Syco was teaming up with policeman-turned-presenter Mark Williams-Thomas to produce a UK true crime series to rival Netflix’s hit, Making A Murderer. There’s certainly an interesting 10-part true crime documentary to be made – but we doubt it’s the story they’re thinking of.

Jonathan King’s latest trial collapsed this week, with the judge placing a lot of blame on the conduct of Surrey Police. Singled out for particular, excoriating scorn was former Surrey policeman… Mark Williams-Thomas.

The judge pointed out that in King’s first case (in 2001) MW-T was the officer assigned to take statements from the accusers. He then left the police force, but took the names and contact details of King’s accusers with him and tried to sell them to the media (a big no-no for police officers). Somehow, much of the info seemed to end up in the hands of… Max Clifford.

Meanwhile, Jonathan King was arrested and put up on a £150,000 bail. This meant he was unable to take up the offer to be a judge on ITV’s talent show, Popstars, so King recommended a then-unknown industry figure to take his place… Simon Cowell.

Cowell got a job on the franchise’s spin-off, Pop Idol (in 2001), partly as a result of King’s recommendation. Cowell didn’t need to do anything to thank King however, as he’d already chucked £50,000 in towards his bail.

And how did Cowell celebrate his newfound stardom? By hiring the PR services of… Max Clifford (who, you may remember, died three years into an eight year prison sentence for sexually assaulting women and girls).

There’s a load more to this story – so Netflix, if you’re reading, call us. We have your next hit right here.

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Post by Verdi on 15.08.18 12:21



Focusing on the deceased and unproven historic cases of sex abuse, sure does keep the spotlight off the living prolific child sex abuse offenders of today.

Looks to me like Max Clifford was the custodian of an image protection racket for the wealthy.  He - a child sex abuser himself!


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Post by Verdi on 15.08.18 12:30



Transcript

Woman on phone (Naimh???) ?I'd like to see what kind of a Mickey Mouse search, you know, police investigation was done by the Portugal, err, police?

Nicky Campbell Well, I'll tell you what, let me stop you there.  I'll come back to you because, Mark Williams Thomas, you know stuff about, you know a lot about that, don't you?

Mark Williams-Thomas Good morning.  Yes I do.  Yes, I mean I think Gerry and Kate have come out now talking for two reasons. One, to try and keep that profile there and to talk about the effect it's had on them.  And I think its important to remember, of course, that as a parent you will never give up the search for your child.  Last year I met Patty Wetterling in the US. Her son was abducted at the age of eleven, Jacob. He's still missing.  And Patty still goes through it constantly every single day.  And bringing it to the home shores, Ruth Wilson who went missing on the 27th of November, 95.  I know Ruth's parents very, very well and worked with them. And she's missing and she vanished at the age of sixteen. No sight or anything at all,  And these parents will never give up.  Every single phone call that they get, particularly around anniversaries and Christmas they wait in anticipation that they will get some news.  So Gerry and Kate will never give up.

But obviously what they are asking for now is a re-investigation over some of the elements of it.  And if we go back to the initial stage there was obviously an awful lot that was done, there was an awful lot that wasn't done.  But we mustn't forget that this is a Portuguese investigation and however much influence the British have over Portugal .it is ultimately their investigation.  They've conducted what they consider to be an investigation.  There are no new leads or inquiries that would require them to open the investigation.  The one thing that Gerry and Kate could do with all the Tapas would be to go back to the Portuguese police and say we will co-operate 100% with a review in relation to a reconstruction.  And don't forget that reconstruction was something that never took place and at the time I was certainly saying that reconstruction would have been very valuable but they would all have to co-operate.


NC I'm sure I remember a reconstruction on television, watching it being re-enacted.

MWT Not with Gerry and Kate other than they went back with their own investigators and did a kind of reconstruction.  The Portuguese police wanted to do a full reconstruction with all the Tapas and with everyone back in their?, going through the process (????????)

NC Well, where do you think Madeleine is now?

MWT Well the sad reality is that when children go missing the main age group for children to go missing is ten to 16. That's where the high numbers are. But between the ages of 1 and 4, which is obviously what Madeleine was at the time, within the period of 8 minutes and there are some interesting statistics here, is 20% of children between the ages of 1 and 4 will be located within 8 minutes.  99% of those children will be located within 196 minutes.  So that shows you the sheer, the percentage of children who will be recovered very quickly.  And out of those 98% of those children will be found within 1.2 kilometres of the location to which they have gone missing.

Where do I think Madeleine is now?  Well Madeleine was?  I still believe that Madeleine was abducted outside the apartment. She walked outside the apartment and that's where she was abducted.  Gerry and Kate have got to keep hope that Madeleine isn't dead and until such time as they have got some confirmation and direct intelligence that tells them that she is dead they will always live on the hope that she will return.  The sad reality is that is probably very unlikely.


Naimh Can I just say?

NC Yeah Naimh(?????)

Naimh ?that your statistics were for Britain and I am sure they don't hold true for Portugal.  I'm sure the British Government could have applied some pressure.  I mean, you could have a special investigation where the British police, I know if someone went missing here in England it would be a completely different scenario.  The child would be found in the next 24 hours, 48 hours or whatever.  You know, they need to have a special department, I mean instead of wasting money on stop and search.  I was hearing on your radio that they did a hundred thousand stop and searches and 99.9% were useless, you know.  Instead of spending those resources on frightening the community, you know, we should spend it on situations where we can help parents where children, especially young children, 1 -10, go missing, abroad, you know.

MWT I think, I'll just pick up on that point. I think you are absolutely right as far as knowledge as to how to investigate missing children has improved incredibly.  And I was at a conference yesterday, the national Missing Persons Conference in Coventry and there is clearly an awful lot is now being done, is being done co-ordinated using agencies as well as the police service to help find missing children.  And in Portugal they are some way behind.  I think from a policing point of view they are probably five, maybe six years, maybe even more than that behind in the way they deal with missing children and indeed some of their other investigations.  But I think now, if a child goes missing in the UK, there is a incredible amount of resources that are pulled in and worked on to be able to find that child very quickly and, of course, we have experience of that.

NC OK. Its 9.30 and I am grateful to Naimh(????) and also John in Dunbarton


[Thanks to pamalam at gerrymccannsblog.co.uk]
Mark Williams-Thomas was never officially assigned to investigating the case of Madeleine McCann so wft is he doing selling himself across the nation's media?  He's not even consistant, his opinion is up and down like a fiddlers elbow.


violin What a con!

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Post by sharonl on 15.08.18 21:07

Quote:  Mark Williams-Thomas  

I still believe that Madeleine was abducted outside the apartment. She walked outside the apartment and that's where she was abducted


If this was the case, how does MWT explain the McCanns claims: -

1.  The shutters were jemmied
2.  The curtains were open and blowing
3.  The door was not in the position that they left it
4.  The abductor drugged the twins
5.  Gerry had only just checked on Madeleine - she was asleep
6.  The door was not wide open when Kate entered the apartment - Madeleine would not have carefully closed the door behind her, would she?


Quote  Kate McCann "I knew that she had been abducted because of the state of the place"

Were the McCanns lying Mark?  Why would they do that if Madeleine had been abducted?

Also Gerry was just outside the apartment chatting to Jez Wilkins and passed by Jane Tanner.  Did no-one see or hear Madeleine or this abductor?  Surely she would have screamed if someone picked her up awake?

Tannerman was allegedly carrying a sleeping child

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Post by Verdi on 15.08.18 22:00

To add - how does he explain this ..





Answers in a plain brown envelope please - it'll get there ....

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Post by sharonl on 15.08.18 22:26

big grin  I would like to hear more of Marks' theory, a timeline would be handy.  Then perhaps we could ask him to explain a few things.

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Post by Verdi on 15.08.18 23:35

Hey - maybe he would like to join CMoMM to set the record straight sarcastic.

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Post by Keitei on 16.08.18 21:17

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/mark_williams_thomas

Mark Williams-Thomas

Edward Williams made this Freedom of Information request to Surrey Police

[size=16]Currently waiting for a response from Surrey Police, they should respond promptly and normally no later than 7 September 2018(details).



Dear Surrey Police,
I refer you to this online article: 
http://barristerblogger.com/2018/08/08/t...
"One of the complainants in the case – he cannot, of course, be named but we can call him Complainant A – was a man whose statement had originally been taken in 2000 by a police officer in the Surrey Police. When this blog was originally published it was unclear whether identification of the police officer had been authorised by the judge; it is now clear that his name can be reported. It is Mark Williams-Thomas, now a journalist and TV presenter. I am afraid that until I have a chance to update the post properly he still appears below as “Mr X.”"
"When Mr X left the force he took his notebooks relating to inquiries into Mr King with him. They were, as the Prosecution said, not Mr X’s to keep; they were official documents belonging to Surrey Police. A police officer’s notebook, of course, is always of great importance, being in many cases the only contemporaneous record of relevant events. 
No attempt was made to recover the notebooks by Surrey Police, and nor did Mr X, return them to the police. Why he did not return them voluntarily once he knew that Mr King had been charged and put on trial is not explained."
"Three years after Mr X left the police, he was prosecuted for an unrelated offence. That much was well known, and he was in fact acquitted. However, what was not disclosed to the defence until a very late stage is that during the investigation into the other offence, a document was found on his computer “offering for sale names and introductions to victims of Mr King.” This information came into the hands of Surrey Police’s Anti-Corruption Unit in 2014 – what it was doing between 2003 and 2014 is not revealed in the judgment – but the Anti-Corruption Unit did not pass it on to the officers investigating Mr King. "
REQUESTS. 
1.Provide all data showing what attempts you have made to recover the officer's notebook. 
2.Provide "document [that] was found on his computer “offering for sale names and introductions to victims of Mr King.” 
3.Provide cost of the failed King prosection. 
4.Provide a list of officers and staff who have been disciplined as a result of the failed prosecution. 
5. Confirm or deny if you have reported yourself to the IOPC for the disclosure issues. 
6. Provide all correspondence between you and the Surrey P&CC on this failed prosecution.
Yours faithfully,
Edward Williams

Smith, Tony 14860, Surrey Police 9 August 2018
Dear Edward WILLIAMS,
Freedom of Information: 000630/18
I write in connection with your FOI request which was recently received.
We will respond within 20 working days to this request.
Yours Sincerely,
Neil Coventry 
Information Access Team 
Surrey Police 
Telephone 01483 630007

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