Re: ***LIVE*** Discussion and comments thread BBC Panorama tonight 25th April 7.30pm

[sweetex]

Joana Morais ‏ @xklamation Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
The #McCann couple or their Tapas friends could force the reopening of the process if, ex., they would do the reconstruction #opinion #law

[Woofer]

Why oh why are the UK establishment going out of their way to diss the Portuguese? Even Redwood, although saying pleasing words about the PJ, could not hide is patronising attitude towards the PJ, giving the impression that the `top class` detectives are there to help them out and point them in the right direction. It incensed me. He didn`t even have the decency to admit that the PJ had commenced their review 3 months before the SY arrived. He must think we`re all stupid - well I suppose a lot of people are !!

[Guest]

More now added to the story from the hibernia times I posted earlier

No Reason to Reopen McCann Case: Portugal

LISBON

Portuguese authorities have no new evidence that would give them cause to reopen an inquiry into the disappearance in 2007 of the British youngster Madeleine McCann, police said on Thursday.

“There are no new elements at the moment that would allow for the reopening of the inquiry,” Pedro do Carmo, the deputy head of the criminal police department, said.

His comments come a day after British police reviewing her disappearance said they believed she could still be alive five years after she went missing in Praia da Luz and urged their Portuguese counterparts to reopen their search.

Do Carmo said that a team of investigators would continue “to re-examine elements of the inquiry” in collaboration with British police but he said that such a practice was normal and did not constitute a reopening of the probe.

A British team from Scotland, which has been sifting through a wealth of material relating to the youngster, said on Wednesday they had identified 195 “investigative opportunities” that could be followed up.

They also released a computer-generated image, created by experts, of how Madeleine might look now approaching what would be her ninth birthday on May 12.

Do Carmo however said that the Portuguese police had received “no formal request for the reopening of the inquiry”.

Madeleine’s parents Gerry and Kate McCann have never abandoned their high-profile campaign to find their eldest daughter who disappeared on the Portuguese south coast on May 3, 2007 while her parents were at dinner.

http://thehiberniatimes.com/2012/04/26/no-reason-to-reopen-mccann-case-portugal/19696

[russiandoll]

Tuom asked:
" must look for some more information into the handle of the patio door .
Could MMC have reached it ? and had a tragic accident on the steps ?"

Answer:
If there was a fire yes. Even with a twin under each arm.
If for nothing more than curiosity. No.

[russiandoll]

just a thought...
SY have no reason at the start of their review to believe Maddie is dead.. Redwood quoted for all to see as saying they are following EQUAL lines of enquiry, Maddie being dead or alive .
if at the outset that was their view.why is there
an appeal released almost a year later
an updated photo released a year
why not both, but much much earlier than now?
unless coincidentally they have come by some wonderful new info to prompt them to set things in motion.....just as 5th anniversary approaches.

[russiandoll]

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16216703

Portugal Police: No Need To Reopen Maddie Probe

1:54pm UK, Thursday April 26, 2012
Portuguese police say there is no reason to reopen an inquiry into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Authorities say they have no new evidence that would give them cause to reopen the case.
"There are no new elements at the moment," Pedro do Carmo, the deputy head of the criminal police department, told AFP.
His comments come a day after British police reviewing her disappearance said they believed she could still be alive.
They urged their Portuguese counterparts to reopen their search for Madeleine, who went missing in Praia da Luz in 2007.


Mr Do Carmo said that a team of investigators would continue "to re-examine elements of the inquiry" in collaboration with British police.
But he said that such a practice was normal and did not constitute a reopening of the probe.
A British team from Scotland, which has been sifting through a wealth of material relating to the youngster, said on Wednesday they had identified 195 "investigative opportunities" that could be followed up.

They also released a computer-generated image, created by experts, of how Madeleine might look now approaching what would be her ninth birthday on May 12.
Mr Do Carmo however said that the Portuguese police had received "no formal request for the reopening of the inquiry".
Madeleine's parents Gerry and Kate McCann have never abandoned their high-profile campaign to find their eldest daughter.
She disappeared on the Portuguese south coast on May 3, 2007 while her parents were at dinner.

relating to the youngster....not to the disappearance
and why the Scotland team? can anyone find this info anywhere else?

[Guest]

BBC now carrying the story..........



26 April 2012 Last updated at 13:57

Madeleine McCann case not being reopened, Portugal police say UK Police seek to bring closure to the case

Portuguese authorities say they are not reopening their investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Police in the country said there were no new elements that would allow for the inquiry to be reviewed.

Madeleine's parents had called for the case to be reopened after UK police said they had identified 195 "investigative opportunities".

Madeleine, from Rothley, Leics, was nearly four when she disappeared from a holiday apartment in Portugal in 2007.

But on Thursday, Pedro do Carmo, deputy head of the criminal police department, told news agency AFP: "There are no new elements at the moment that would allow for the reopening of the inquiry."
Earlier, a spokesman for her parents Kate and Gerry McCann told the BBC they had been "hugely encouraged" by new moves in the case.

Clarence Mitchell said Mrs McCann was "particularly pleased" with the strong family resemblance in a newly released age-progressed image of Madeleine.

Mr Mitchell told BBC Breakfast Mr and Mrs McCann were "coping as best they can".

Judicial approval

A British investigative review was set up last year, following a meeting between then Met Commissioner Sir Paul Stephenson and the Home Office.

Mr Mitchell added that Scotland Yard said it was quite possible that the missing girl could "still be alive" but it was "up to the Portuguese authorities" to decide to re-investigate the case.

Speaking about the computer generated image issued on the 25 April, Mr Mitchell said: "We need to remind people around the world that this is probably what Madeleine looks like today, not the very famous picture of her when she went missing. This is Madeleine as a young girl now."

Det Ch Insp Andy Redwood, who is leading the UK review, told the BBC's Panorama programme his team were "seeking to bring closure to the case".

He said he understood her disappearance was an abduction, mentioning 195 "investigative opportunities" which could advance the case, but police did not reveal what evidence they had to imply that Madeleine was still alive.

Mr Redwood's team of more than 30 officers has visited Portugal seven times and has returned to the holiday flat in Praia da Luz where Madeleine is believed to have disappeared.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17852433

[monkey mind]

They have to trash the PJ because they can't trash the evidence. They want peoples' attention on the incompetents not their competent findings.

They want the Portuguese to reopen the enquiry, but in a manner that is to the liking of the McCanns and those behind them. The new inquirywould take the shape of one that also trashes the findings of their incompetent colleagues. A bit like the Sy review. Exactly like it in fact.

I think the PJ are perfectly aware of this. They do not consider the rubbish that is being touted - imaginary abductors and efit photos - as new evidence.

I have far more faith in the PJ than SY who have clearly been manipulated. If they get new evidence relating to the McCans they will reopen it, on their terms. They may already have it.

As for putting faith in Redwood and his soul selling compadres, don't forget he referred to anyone who questions the McCanns story as 'conspiracy theorists'. Those words serve to create a picture in peoples minds that if you question the McCanns or by inference now, SY, then quite simply you are a nutter, not to be listened to. They are not the words of someone interested in uncovering the truth, quite the opposite in factt.

[tuom]

From Digital Spy Forum.

Quote

"Ive always been suprised any abducter could strike with all the comings and goings of "visits" by members of group.

Scenario 1:
Abductor has to have prior knowledge of kids being there(and maybe being left alone),waits for group to leave.
Visit by first of group to check.(doesnt matter who): all is well.
Yet abductor isnt scared off.
Person who checked goes back to party-coast is clear,abductor does nothing. Why?
More visits by family/friends :all is well no stranger is sighted.

Abductor does nothing.Nor does he run off.Eventually he thinks ok ill snatch her ,theres a chance a "checker" will come along even so. Doesnt make sense." End Quote.

Agree and it would make far more sense if Madeleine had been taken as soon as the parents left for the Tapas.

Ah but if MMC was taken earlier there would not have been sightings now would there ?

[Guest]

They have to trash the PJ because they can't trash the evidence. They want peoples' attention on the incompetents not their competent findings.

They want the Portuguese to reopen the enquiry, but in a manner that is to the liking of the McCanns and those behind them. The new inquirywould take the shape of one that also trashes the findings of their incompetent colleagues. A bit like the Sy review. Exactly like it in fact.

I think the PJ are perfectly aware of this. They do not consider the rubbish that is being touted - imaginary abductors and efit photos - as new evidence.

I have far more faith in the PJ than SY who have clearly been manipulated. If they get new evidence relating to the McCans they will reopen it, on their terms. They may already have it.

As for putting faith in Redwood and his soul selling compadres, don't forget he referred to anyone who questions the McCanns story as 'conspiracy theorists'. Those words serve to create a picture in peoples minds that if you question the McCanns or by inference now, SY, then quite simply you are a nutter, not to be listened to. They are not the words of someone interested in uncovering the truth, quite the opposite in factt.

Another excellent post monkey mind, Yep, the totally rubbish PJ being lambasted, whilst the Brit cops are excellent, uncovering all this evidence the bumbling PJ missed, it is all so transparant.

[tigger]

They have to trash the PJ because they can't trash the evidence. They want peoples' attention on the incompetents not their competent findings.

They want the Portuguese to reopen the enquiry, but in a manner that is to the liking of the McCanns and those behind them. The new inquirywould take the shape of one that also trashes the findings of their incompetent colleagues. A bit like the Sy review. Exactly like it in fact.

I think the PJ are perfectly aware of this. They do not consider the rubbish that is being touted - imaginary abductors and efit photos - as new evidence.

I have far more faith in the PJ than SY who have clearly been manipulated. If they get new evidence relating to the McCans they will reopen it, on their terms. They may already have it.

As for putting faith in Redwood and his soul selling compadres, don't forget he referred to anyone who questions the McCanns story as 'conspiracy theorists'. Those words serve to create a picture in peoples minds that if you question the McCanns or by inference now, SY, then quite simply you are a nutter, not to be listened to. They are not the words of someone interested in uncovering the truth, quite the opposite in factt.

Another excellent post monkey mind, Yep, the totally rubbish PJ being lambasted, whilst the Brit cops are excellent, uncovering all this evidence the bumbling PJ missed, it is all so transparant.

Monkeymind! So clearly put, to paraphrase Terry Pratchett: 'there's no justice - there's just us..'

[Guest]

[quote monkey mind]

As for putting faith in Redwood and his soul selling compadres, don't forget he referred to anyone who questions the McCanns story as 'conspiracy theorists'. Those words serve to create a picture in peoples minds that if you question the McCanns or by inference now, SY, then quite simply you are a nutter, not to be listened to. They are not the words of someone interested in uncovering the truth, quite the opposite in factt.

Tells us everything we need to know. Wonder what happened to the large file Tony handed in, and kiko's work, has it even been looked at, or filed under b for bin.

[russiandoll]

I have been looking for this re conspiracy theories from Redwood but have not yet found it...I read a journalist saying he dismissed conspiracy theories, but I interpreted that as her assumption of what he meant when he was speaking...not that he actually said those words.
where did you find the quote please?

[Spaniel]

From Digital Spy Forum.

Quote

"Ive always been suprised any abducter could strike with all the comings and goings of "visits" by members of group.

Scenario 1:
Abductor has to have prior knowledge of kids being there(and maybe being left alone),waits for group to leave.
Visit by first of group to check.(doesnt matter who): all is well.
Yet abductor isnt scared off.
Person who checked goes back to party-coast is clear,abductor does nothing. Why?
More visits by family/friends :all is well no stranger is sighted.

Abductor does nothing.Nor does he run off.Eventually he thinks ok ill snatch her ,theres a chance a "checker" will come along even so. Doesnt make sense." End Quote.

Agree and it would make far more sense if Madeleine had been taken as soon as the parents left for the Tapas.

Ah but if MMC was taken earlier there would not have been sightings now would there ?

They'd have missed dinner and fourteen bottles of wine too.

[monkey mind]

Candyfloss, indeed, very transparent. And if the current PJ were to suddenly do an about face and denounce the findings of their colleagues they would suddenly be elevated from pariah status to one of the most highly regarded police forces in the world.

Judging by how high this appears to go there is little doubt that much political pressure will have been applied behind the scenes for this to happen and I would suggest that so far, it has been resisted, hence the need for thePanorama prog and its lambasting. In this regard, the program can be seen as a good sign, the Portuguese lady of justice is not for turning.

If the PJ reopen the investigation at some point, and we no they are looking into it despite what they say, if they reopen it and it is NOT immediately preceded by a public notification in the media that the McCanns have so requested it, then this would be a very good sign indeed imho.

[russiandoll]

Madeleine's parents want the case reopened.
Maybe now Mitchell has said that, some journalist will ask them next week, will they consider going for a reconstruction to help provide some new evidence to trigger a reopening. Seeing as they want it so much.

[nobodythereeither]

Mr Do Carmo said that a team of investigators would continue "to re-examine elements of the inquiry" in collaboration with British police.
But he said that such a practice was normal and did not constitute a reopening of the probe.
A British team from Scotland, which has been sifting through a wealth of material relating to the youngster, said on Wednesday they had identified 195 "investigative opportunities" that could be followed up.

They also released a computer-generated image, created by experts, of how Madeleine might look now approaching what would be her ninth birthday on May 12.
Mr Do Carmo however said that the Portuguese police had received "no formal request for the reopening of the inquiry".
Madeleine's parents Gerry and Kate McCann have never abandoned their high-profile campaign to find their eldest daughter.
She disappeared on the Portuguese south coast on May 3, 2007 while her parents were at dinner.

relating to the youngster....not to the disappearance
and why the Scotland team? can anyone find this info anywhere else?

They obviously mean Scotland Yard .....

[monkey mind]

Russiandoll, I thought I read it somewhere amongst the reams of info that has come out these last couple of days though amongst all that it is possible I misread hearsay for a quote.....

[russiandoll]

relating to the youngster....not to the disappearance
and why the Scotland team? can anyone find this info anywhere else?




They obviously mean Scotland Yard .....

yes I know that, I worded my question awkwardly. This is a Sky News report, not a translation from foreign media?
Why not just say Scotland Yard is what I meant to ask....instead of "a British team from Scotland "?
just found it odd !!

[Zozo]

Hoho...
i bet this soo called cooperation between two polices has become sour even before it finishes.
The way SY rushed in the media declaring those new leads and saying the case should be reopened and straight away the portuguese police respond that there is no ground to reopen the case. This is really a resounding differences. What a shame of sY. just a circus show going on..

[Guest]

Russiandoll, I thought I read it somewhere amongst the reams of info that has come out these last couple of days though amongst all that it is possible I misread hearsay for a quote.....

It's here monkey mind and Russiandoll,

Dismissing conspiracy theories about Madeleine's parents' involvement, Redwood said he believed the girl's disappearance was the result of "a criminal act by a stranger".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/apr/25/madeleine-mccann-case-reopen-call

[Lady-Heather]

Twitter:

@SKYMARTINBRUNT: #McCann There is still a compelling case for reinvestigation that Portuguese Gov may not be able to resist.

#McCann Even the quoted police chief says no reason to reinvestigate "at the moment."

[Guest]

martinbrunt‏@skymartinbruntReply

#McCann Even the quoted police chief says no reason to reinvestigate "at the moment

[aiyoyo]

Madeleine's parents want the case reopened.
Maybe now Mitchell has said that, some journalist will ask them next week, will they consider going for a reconstruction to help provide some new evidence to trigger a reopening. Seeing as they want it so much.

Come on, they are only saying that because they know that is not ever going to happen. It's just PR.

Remember SY updated them all along.

If they want really want it reopened that badly they should put their money where their mouth is by writing to the PJ just as they did to DC about the review.

[Guest]

And here the stupid question by sky, don't they know KM and GM can open the investigation........


Kay Leslie‏@skykayleslie


Should Portuguese police re-open their investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine #McCann? Send us your thoughts using #skytoday

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nobby-Lobby‏@veniviedivici

@skykayleslie If Kate #McCann agrees to answer the 48 questions she refused it will trigger a re-opening ! #LEGAL #skytoday



2:59 PM - 26 Apr 12