Re: ***LIVE*** Discussion and comments thread BBC Panorama tonight 25th April 7.30pm

[russiandoll]

just to throw something in from left field..in the legal sense stranger abduction is defined as stranger or slight acquaintance.

[Guest]

martinbrunt‏@skymartinbrunt

#McCann There is still a compelling case for reinvestigation that Portuguese Gov may not be able to resist.
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11m martinbrunt‏@skymartinbrunt

#McCann Portuguese police unlikely to want to be seen being bumped into reinvestigation by Scot Yard...and within 24 hours.

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martinbrunt‏@skymartinbruntReply

#McCann Portuguese police say they've had no formal request to reopen investigation.

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1h martinbrunt‏@skymartinbrunt

#McCann Portuguese judiciary say no justification for reopening investigation into disappearance of Madeleine McCann

[espeland]

Well, DCI Redwood and Scotland Yard appear to be incompetent. I was still confident of hearing about progress soon but instead have to hear this from Portugal.

What new evidence do you have, DCI Redwood, and where did it come from? The Beazer?

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Tom Worden‏@tom_wordenReply

"hypotheses and speculation" not enough to reopen the #Madeleine investigation, Attorney General's office says #McCann

That just about says it all imo. Don't think much of SY's new leads then

[Lady-Heather]

just to throw something in from left field..in the legal sense stranger abduction is defined as stranger or slight acquaintance.

Yes. 'someone not known to the child' http://uk.missingkids.com/en_GB/docs/Understanding_Child_Abduction_Home_Office_Doc.pdf

Murat (and associates)?

[Guest]

And from Sandra Laville Crime Correspondent of the Guardian........


Sandra Laville‏@sandralavilleReply

AG spokesman says he will only re open the case if new, credible relevant facts arise, not mere hypotheses or speculations.#mccann

Bet SY don't like their theories being called hypotheses or speculation.

[Spaniel]

Well, DCI Redwood and Scotland Yard appear to be incompetent. I was still confident of hearing about progress soon but instead have to hear this from Portugal.

What new evidence do you have, DCI Redwood, and where did it come from? The Beazer?

He probably thinks Dave Edgar's a super sleuth.

[russiandoll]

just to throw something in from left field..in the legal sense stranger abduction is defined as stranger or slight acquaintance.

Yes. 'someone not known to the child' http://uk.missingkids.com/en_GB/docs/Understanding_Child_Abduction_Home_Office_Doc.pdf

Murat (and associates)?

I said this yesterday when all seemed doom and gloom. AR seemed to be speaking from a script. I think maybe words are being used very judiciously.
There was the comment about the key issue of mobile phone analysis yesterday in Guardian I think....that key issue and no other key issue was mentioned.

[Guest]

And from Sandra Laville Crime Correspondent of the Guardian........


Sandra Laville‏@sandralavilleReply

AG spokesman says he will only re open the case if new, credible relevant facts arise, not mere hypotheses or speculations.#mccann

Bet SY don't like their theories being called hypotheses or speculation.

Erm...Madeleine is either alive or sadly dead - what else can it be called other than hypotheses or speculation?

[aiyoyo]

OMG, are we so blind we miss the obvious?

Of course the purpose of sending the Yard was to get their hands on the unreleased files. Files mccanns have been hankering after all this while.

We will soon find out whether the contents will be used in the upcoming trial.

[russiandoll]

quote from Redwood in interview


"We are rapidly approaching the fifth anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance on the third of May next Thursday, erm, and also coincidental to that on the twelfth of May, Madeleine would have been nine years old – will be nine years old

its as bad as the rogatories

[Woofer]

OMG, are we so blind we miss the obvious?

Of course the purpose of sending the Yard was to get their hands on the unreleased files. Files mccanns have been hankering after all this while.

We will soon find out whether the contents will be used in the upcoming trial.

OMG i suddenly feel sick.

[david_uk]

OMG, are we so blind we miss the obvious?

Of course the purpose of sending the Yard was to get their hands on the unreleased files. Files mccanns have been hankering after all this while.

We will soon find out whether the contents will be used in the upcoming trial.

holy moles i said this pages back! no one said anything! . But yeh! this is about gettin ghold of those withheld files. end of.

[Woofer]

OMG, are we so blind we miss the obvious?

Of course the purpose of sending the Yard was to get their hands on the unreleased files. Files mccanns have been hankering after all this while.

We will soon find out whether the contents will be used in the upcoming trial.

OMG i suddenly feel sick.

And this ties in very nicely with their brazen confirmation that they have been in constant touch with the McCanns, which is sooooooooooooooooo unprofessional.

[david_uk]

" There is a chance she is alive, or sadly dead"



No shit, muppet

[Guest]

Martin Brunt was on Sky earlier saying that within a few weeks there would be something more positive from PJ, rather than a throwaway statement by a Portuguese Chief who he quoted was Dep Head of Criminal Dept in Lisbon, and said that it would be up to the Attorney General.

Well he has just tweeted this..........


martinbrunt‏@skymartinbruntReply


#McCann Now Portugal's Attorney-General says case will be reopened a only if there are "credible and relevant new facts, not speculation."

The top man no less is saying only if there are 'credible' facts. I think SY need to be interviewed again, and clarify their position.

[uppatoffee]

quote from Redwood in interview


"We are rapidly approaching the fifth anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance on the third of May next Thursday, erm, and also coincidental to that on the twelfth of May, Madeleine would have been nine years old – will be nine years old

its as bad as the rogatories

"would have been 9 years old." another one for forensic linguistics? Another example of the Subconscious speaking before brain can engage?

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martinbrunt‏@skymartinbruntReply


#McCann Is "hypotheses and speculation" a Portuguese attack on the integrity of Scot Yard's 195 leads?

[Newintown]

I don't know if this is on another thread but the DM has a heading up -

"Portuguese police refuse to reopen Madeleine McCann case saying there's no new evidence (despite Scotland Yard saying they've got 195 new leads"

It's all so bl**dy predictable!!

There aren't any comments as yet but you can guess they'll all be along the lines of "oh, poor, poor McCanns", "how can the McCanns be treated like this by the Portugese police", and on and on it goes ...

I don't expect there will be any printed asking why KM doesn't answer the 48 questions that were put to her or why her, Gerry and the Tapas lot won't do a reconstruction which will reopen the investigation.

It really is becoming a joke. C'mon McCanns show some bl**dy balls and get your asses back to Portugal and do that damn reconstruction.

[Guest]

Hark at this tweet from Brunty........

martinbrunt‏@skymartinbruntReply

#McCann Issue of reopening investigation in danger of turning into a diplomatic row with Portugal Att-Gen dissing Scot Yard

[tigger]

Hark at this tweet from Brunty........

martinbrunt‏@skymartinbruntReply

#McCann Issue of reopening investigation in danger of turning into a diplomatic row with Portugal Att-Gen dissing Scot Yard

[aiyoyo]

Martin Brunt was on Sky earlier saying that within a few weeks there would be something more positive from PJ, rather than a throwaway statement by a Portuguese Chief who he quoted was Dep Head of Criminal Dept in Lisbon, and said that it would be up to the Attorney General.

Well he has just tweeted this..........


martinbrunt‏@skymartinbruntReply


#McCann Now Portugal's Attorney-General says case will be reopened a only if there are "credible and relevant new facts, not speculation."

The top man no less is saying only if there are 'credible' facts. I think SY need to be interviewed again, and clarify their position.

If they (PJ) do reopen it certainly wont be on Yard new evidence of 195 fresh leads!
What the AR said so far made me puke. There could be a very dark agenda and conspiracy and like I said earlier the review could just be British Government way of getting access to unreleased files.

On the other hand, however, both the Yard and PJ may be in this strategy together, playing the blinders I mean, so who knows what is going to happen.

The Yard urge PJ to reopen, but surely as coppers they should know better that there will be cost involved. No government authority is going to allocate budget just to follow up leads (god only knows where they got them from), when so many thousands had been either eliminated or checked out before that led nowhere.

[anil39200]

Watched the panorama programme. Actually thought the DCI spoke and sounded much more like a politician, ie took so many words to say very little. Then picked up on spokesman mitchell and his 'absolutely no evidence etc etc ' SO Messrs Mitchell, Redwood, et al all with the same mantra, here is the thing, question, What evidence do you have for an abduction? JT sighting?
KM who 'knows' because she was there? .....Mmmmm. oh DR AMARAL is getting his books back.....will that be on all the pages or primetime aunty beeb? Nah! As for the programme....poor. panorama used to be insightful and well researched, not establishment biased.

[Woofer]

Hark at this tweet from Brunty........

martinbrunt‏@skymartinbruntReply

#McCann Issue of reopening investigation in danger of turning into a diplomatic row with Portugal Att-Gen dissing Scot Yard

I`m not surprised - and its all as a result of UK agencies fouling up the PJ`s initial investigation (which was initiated by the McCanns). Let`s foul up their investigation and then blame them for it all going wrong - typically bully tactics. And they still continue to blame the Portuguese - yes, this could well result in a diplomatic row. It`s no co-incidence I`m sure that this recent attack took place on 25th April, Portugal`s Freedom Day. But why???

[Guest]

Hark at this tweet from Brunty........

martinbrunt‏@skymartinbruntReply

#McCann Issue of reopening investigation in danger of turning into a diplomatic row with Portugal Att-Gen dissing Scot Yard

Bloody cheek, makes me so angry - it's the PJ who are continually dissed in this country