Re: 'The Last Photo': The key questions

by Guest 01.08.11 14:15

I thought someone from MW and his computer, plus Russell O'Brien and Kate's camera, is how they say the prints were made. Will see if I can locate his name.

ETA, sorry, getting confused here, it was Alex Woolfall, link for story [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

by jd 01.08.11 14:30

Thanks Invinoveritas, I hadn't seen all these photos before and was unaware they were released thanks

Its a shame that they are in black and white as you can't really make out most of them (though I understand why) and to be able to see them in their natural form would be most interesting. I did notice though that it appears even the police who would have seen the best image possible are placing quite a few questions marks to MBM (Maddie). Seems to them they are not sure if pics have Maddie in them!!! (could possible be her is what they are saying) and there doesn't seem to be many of even 'possibly' Maddie either which means she is not in the photo. I don't think there was any of Maddie on the beach and from the B&W pics it looks as though they are of the twins and McCanns, certainly no MBM in the descriptions titles

It does make you wonder why there is hardly any pics of Maddie and why the ones we have seen she seems to be different, quite different and I am not sure what she looked liked then except for the poolside photo maybe. And KM states that "she loved to photo Maddie and Maddie love to be photographed".....If this wasn't so serious I'd laugh at this statement

by jd 01.08.11 14:39

Stella wrote:I thought someone from MW and his computer, plus Russell O'Brien and Kate's camera, is how they say the prints were made. Will see if I can locate his name.

ETA, sorry, getting confused here, it was Alex Woolfall, link for story [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

This was 2 days later and obviously he is part of the cover up with this story. The poster in question was made within 2 hours of KM finding Maddie had gone which is remarkably quick not to mention why they are making posters when nobody knew exactly what could have happened at that time, Maddie could simply have walked off and the whole resort were in the early process of searching for her. Then we have a condractictory statement from Amy Tierney (the resort receptionist or manager) to try and explain why these posters were made only 2 hours later, but using her Kodak printer and possibly a USB memory stick, which doesn't make sense at the moment

by Guest 01.08.11 14:42

Ar, yes, thanks jd, it's all coming back to me now. I've been too engrossed in guest lists and creche sheets for far too long now, I forgot.

by jd 01.08.11 14:46

Stella wrote:Ar, yes, thanks jd, it's all coming back to me now. I've been too engrossed in guest lists and creche sheets for far too long now, I forgot.

I know, there is so much to take in! but its starting to come together

by Invinoveritas 01.08.11 20:03

jd,

after our correspondence today about SD and SDHC I asked my daughter to bring me her SDHC for an experiment, she then told me that she might have deleted over 500 photos from the card, she actually had done, I then looked for a programme (i.e. software) to resolve and restore the problem and pictures, which I also found and restored

Now , my question is: Why don´t the Hampshire constabulary use the software that I found to come to a conclusion?

by jd 01.08.11 20:22

Invinoveritas wrote:jd,

after our correspondence today about SD and SDHC I asked my daughter to bring me her SDHC for an experiment, she then told me that she might have deleted over 500 photos from the card, she actually had done, I then looked for a programme (i.e. software) to resolve and restore the problem and pictures, which I also found and restored

Now , my question is: Why don´t the Hampshire constabulary use the software that I found to come to a conclusion?

Maybe I misunderstood the police report but I thought that they did when they say on point 18 "Using my forensic software I was able to locate 73 pictures files in the unallocated clusters which had been deleted and were no longer accessible to the camera user" . These pics were to the user seemed to be deleted but they remain on the card until it is overwritten by a new pic being taken, so they had 73 deleted ones and 43 pics that were on the camera that the McCanns could see. I understand it is the same principle with computer hard drives which makes absolute sense. The only way to totally get rid of deleted pics (or any data) off the drive is to do a proper high level format going over all the zero and ones, which depending on the drive size can take hours and hours. Even then there are various levels of high level formatting and the more reliable ones can take days. The normal quick format which most people use doesn't actually delete whats on the drive, its just allows the user to be able to go over the data that is there...if this makes sense

by Invinoveritas 01.08.11 21:17

jd, it makes absolute sense what you are saying, I doubt very much that anyone in 2007 was aware of a programme that shreds and destroys data, be that as it may, I´m off to bed, see you later[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

by lj 02.08.11 2:38

These programs were very common in 2007. Any forensic computer specialist should be known with them.

by Angelique 02.08.11 3:41

A reference to a USB stick suggests a pc somewhere with data transferred onto it obviously. But why did they need it. They had memory cards. Unless it had photos on and was brought with them. I read in the PJ files that they searched for local printers similar "glossy photos" but none were found.

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So they must have either been brought in with them or maybe Murat has a copier with glossy paper.

by ROSA 03.08.11 2:37

The PJ have all these photos but nothing is wrong nothing was done

by ROSA 05.08.11 1:30

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by Guest 05.08.11 9:35

Unfortunately the black and white photos supplied by Rosa are more or less impossible to see. Does anyone has a better copy of the one on the bottom left as it's of Madeleine and the girl with her back to the camera in the colour photo below. The latter was supposedly Amelie but the hair colour is wrong. It will be interesting to see if this mystery child can be identified.

by dragonfly 05.08.11 12:44

ok I've been reading about peoples theories in regards to when Madeleine was last seen , some even saying something happened to Maddie has early as the 28th?
Given the statements and Kate's diary, and Kate writing down the most smallest of details ie 'drank a glass of nz wine' 'dryed hair' 'brushed teeth' (on par with like saying you put on your shoes)
Could one of the more read up researchers enlighten me to the 'day Maddie had her hair beaded' Surely if you make notes of teeth brushing, given the kids crisps and biscuits ,
you would note that the trip out on a happy occasion getting Maddie her little plait/bead down the beach front or wherever she had it done,
or that Kate went and bought a bead and sat on the balcony or in doors doing a home version, as this would of been a lovely memory for Kate,
as I've said seen mentions of Kate reading them a book, or notes of bathing them , Does it say anywhere when and where this was done? Would the person who came in to contact with Maddie doing her hair , be a person of interest to the enquiry ? as they would of been someone who had contact directly with Maddie and her parent/parents, This person would could of got information regarding the family while doing her bead/plait Have the Mccann's Investigators gone down this line of enquiry ? Where is this mentioned in diary or statements?- leaving no stone unturned

by Guest 05.08.11 12:49

The hair bead was probably one of those ones attached to a hair band that you can buy anywhere and put in yourself.

by dragonfly 05.08.11 12:54

Stella wrote:The hair bead was probably one of those ones attached to a hair band that you can buy anywhere and put in yourself.

Why the 'careful' removal of it then? as Kate said ? taking off a elastic band you just slide it off ,

by Guest 05.08.11 13:02

dragonfly wrote:
Stella wrote:The hair bead was probably one of those ones attached to a hair band that you can buy anywhere and put in yourself.
Why the 'careful' removal of it then? as Kate said ? taking off a elastic band you just slide it off ,

Not if you have been wearing it for a couple of days and it has got all tangled up. Pulling it off would be very painful, especially when according to Kate's diary, she knew that Madeleine had "a fear of pain".

by dragonfly 05.08.11 13:14

Stella wrote:
dragonfly wrote:
Stella wrote:The hair bead was probably one of those ones attached to a hair band that you can buy anywhere and put in yourself.
Why the 'careful' removal of it then? as Kate said ? taking off a elastic band you just slide it off ,
Not if you have been wearing it for a couple of days and it has got all tangled up. Pulling it off would be very painful, especially when according to Kate's diary, she knew that Madeleine had "a fear of pain".

So the photos of Maddie in the park, was not wearing it, So are those photos from first day? bead In for a couple of days , only one photo taking of her with bead in over a period of days, So why people think she went missing on 28th then?

by Guest 05.08.11 13:26

dragonfly wrote:
Stella wrote:
dragonfly wrote:
Stella wrote:The hair bead was probably one of those ones attached to a hair band that you can buy anywhere and put in yourself.
Why the 'careful' removal of it then? as Kate said ? taking off a elastic band you just slide it off ,
Not if you have been wearing it for a couple of days and it has got all tangled up. Pulling it off would be very painful, especially when according to Kate's diary, she knew that Madeleine had "a fear of pain".
So the photos of Maddie in the park, was not wearing it, So are those photos from first day? bead In for a couple of days , only one photo taking of her with bead in over a period of days, So why people think she went missing on 28th then?

The 28th AFTER dark, not during the day between arrival and bedtime, when there was plenty of photo time.

by Guest 05.08.11 15:08

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This is an elasticated hair band anyone could have put on for her.

by ROSA 05.08.11 20:52

dragonfly if you look at the creche records its easy to see M did not go to creche that is how you come to the 28th

by Guest 05.08.11 20:56

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The one thing that strikes me about this pictures (except for the one where she is holding the tennis balls) is why are Madeleine's arms so rigid? It's the same in the airport video.

by ROSA 05.08.11 22:37

Did the police tell kate to show them all the outfits the kid (M?) has on in ALL these photos?

by jd 06.08.11 0:07

ROSA wrote:Did the police tell kate to show them all the outfits the kid (M?) has on in ALL these photos?

Very good question

by Guest 06.08.11 9:30

I remember that the question of what clothing was given to the police was raised in another forum and the answer was given that the items supplied to the tracker dogs were a bath towel and a blanket. Sadly there are no photos (fake or otherwise) of Madeleine wearing these items!