Re: Former Detective Inspector Dave Edgar says the motive for taking Madeleine was sexual and insists her parents had nothing to do with her disappearance

by suzyjohnson 28.03.17 8:12

I don't think a priest would necessarily tell anyone what they had been told in confidence. But I doubt they would continue to go along with telling a lie themselves, I don't think they would actively encourage people to donate or search for example, if they knew for certain that a child was not missing.

by Brightonboy 28.03.17 9:29

I can agree with that Suzy, I still have a hunch he knows more than he is letting on

by Mirage 28.03.17 9:54

Old DE wouldn't know due diligence if it jumped up and smacked him in the face. Towit that ridiculous reconstruction he got up, missing most of the relevant players, and with stage direction by Gerry McCann of all people!

Edgar was on hand to pour oil on troubled waters with Jane Tanner in tears and Gerry in a snit over who saw who, who was where. Gerry insists he was studying a towering white wall while chatting to Jez. Jane lights some unexpected fuse by mentioning Kate had been wondering where Gerry was as he'd been so long, and was maybe watching the footie. CUT! Cue Gerry bolting forward and barging across the road to demonstrate his wall staring habit.

You couldn't make it up. Oh wait....

There'll be another crud story along shortly. Even the Telegraph have fallen victim to flaky news.

by MTSTAR 28.03.17 10:25

Verdi wrote:
MTSTAR wrote:I think you're spot on about the Priests. I think one in particular knows quite a lot.
Yeh - and the very reverend name is Father Haynes Hubbard

That was another video I hadn't seen until yesterday. What an idiot!
In my post, I was thinking more about the Priest in PDL. Didn't Kate ask for a Priest in the early days? I seem to recollect this Priest saying he had been deceived or something to that effect. He could know quite a bit.

by sar 28.03.17 11:20

Brightonboy wrote:I guess you've got to ask yourself what the priest has been told that still allows him to forgive the mccanns enough to befriend them? Theories.... something along the lines of madeleine died while playing with one of our doctor friends, he was throwing her in the air and catching her and he dropped her and she accidentally died, we covered it up because he would've been struck off as there was evidence we were illegally sedating the kids at night? Would a scenario like that be enough for the priest to forgive and keep quiet while still remaining friendly? It's gotta be an accidental death story it's just what have they told him as a reason it had to be covered up? Obviously speculating

....maybe an over zealous "twizzling session"???? Just a possible opinion.

by sar 28.03.17 11:29

..nb unless I'm mistaken it's only been the redtops / scum etc that have been having anything to do with this story for ages??? they are desperate for sales, The bbc & terrestrial telly have, baring a few bits and pieces have been keeping schtum?? The empty vessel makes the most noise but it is the full vessel you should be worried about being nicked / falling over blah blah...

by Liz Eagles 28.03.17 11:53

Here is the very slick Father Haynes Hubbard after only one year of Madeleine's disappearance who admits he also has had his ~~fifteen~~ two minutes of fame whilst being interviewed by Esther Addley from the Guardian which headlines the story as
The tour guides are listing the house as a tourist attraction'.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/audio/2008/apr/18/adddley.mccann

Peter Hyatt would have a field day analysing this nonsense.

ETA: Father Haynes Hubbard sure has all the answers. IIRC it was reported that his house was broken into and his laptop was nicked.

by Liz Eagles 28.03.17 12:59

If you look at the case of April Jones and look at the vicar in Machynlleth who conducted herself with such dignity and care for everyone in the parish - I'm sure she didn't do that without the assistance of her 'firm'. She did a good job and probably feared speaking to the media. Maybe that's because she was sincere and honest and dealing with a crisis and trying to take care mentally, spiritually, emotionally and practically for everyone who had turned up to search and offer their humanitarian services. Despite massive media presence she spoke to the media. Not in the way that Haynes Hubbard did but in an honest and open way, no doubt backed by her 'employers' who helped her.

Father Haynes Hubbard makes my teeth itch. The Anglican/Catholic explanation irks me. This is PR and it's sick.

Kate McCann was carefully photographed holding rosary beads leaving a Portuguese church after a service conducted by an Anglican priest (I still struggle to understand that concept and I lived in Greece where American priest was only give two minutes to speak to the English speaking flock) and he takes on a media role, the likes of which I've never seen before or since.

by Verdi 28.03.17 13:26

Brightonboy wrote:I guess you've got to ask yourself what the priest has been told that still allows him to forgive the mccanns enough to befriend them? Theories.... something along the lines of madeleine died while playing with one of our doctor friends, he was throwing her in the air and catching her and he dropped her and she accidentally died, we covered it up because he would've been struck off as there was evidence we were illegally sedating the kids at night? Would a scenario like that be enough for the priest to forgive and keep quiet while still remaining friendly? It's gotta be an accidental death story it's just what have they told him as a reason it had to be covered up? Obviously speculating

A priest is God's messenger, it's God through the medium of the religious institution that forgives the sinner, not the individual preacher.

With respect, the remainder of your post goes way beyond speculation into the realms of pure invention. Sorry but there is not a shred of evidence or intelligence to support your theory. Whilst I quite understand the temptation to create theories to suit the imagination, it's preferable if the forum can at least try to adhere to available evidence.

Here you will find detail of the many representatives of the cloth that have in some way been connected to the case, a starting point if this is your particular area of interest - otherwise you can simply ignore it..

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/PRIESTS.htm

by willowthewisp 28.03.17 13:58

Hi Verdi,that is some line up of Ministers isn't it and what do they know,that they are not telling us?

by Cmaryholmes 28.03.17 14:13

MTSTAR wrote:
Verdi wrote:
MTSTAR wrote:I think you're spot on about the Priests. I think one in particular knows quite a lot.
Yeh - and the very reverend name is Father Haynes Hubbard

That was another video I hadn't seen until yesterday. What an idiot!
In my post, I was thinking more about the Priest in PDL. Didn't Kate ask for a Priest in the early days? I seem to recollect this Priest saying he had been deceived or something to that effect. He could know quite a bit.

'We are in this with them' ........hmmmmmm

by Carrry On Doctor 28.03.17 14:21

@MTSTAR, I think the priest you have in mind is Father Jose Pacheco. He is said to be a 'shell' of the man he once was.

by Liz Eagles 28.03.17 14:37

I lived in Greece (Crete) that had a fairly substantial intake of positive economic migrants. I didn't once meet with a single Anglican religious ceremony that catered for English speakers.

by suzyjohnson 28.03.17 14:56

Verdi wrote:
Brightonboy wrote:I guess you've got to ask yourself what the priest has been told that still allows him to forgive the mccanns enough to befriend them? Theories.... something along the lines of madeleine died while playing with one of our doctor friends, he was throwing her in the air and catching her and he dropped her and she accidentally died, we covered it up because he would've been struck off as there was evidence we were illegally sedating the kids at night? Would a scenario like that be enough for the priest to forgive and keep quiet while still remaining friendly? It's gotta be an accidental death story it's just what have they told him as a reason it had to be covered up? Obviously speculating
A priest is God's messenger, it's God through the medium of the religious institution that forgives the sinner, not the individual preacher.

With respect, the remainder of your post goes way beyond speculation into the realms of pure invention. Sorry but there is not a shred of evidence or intelligence to support your theory. Whilst I quite understand the temptation to create theories to suit the imagination, it's preferable if the forum can at least try to adhere to available evidence.

Here you will find detail of the many representatives of the cloth that have in some way been connected to the case, a starting point if this is your particular area of interest - otherwise you can simply ignore it..

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/PRIESTS.htm

Verdi, that's not Brightonboy's theory, he's just wondering what kind of explanation might mean that a priest would sympathise with the McCanns.

by **Jill Havern** 28.03.17 15:02

willowthewisp wrote:Hi Verdi,that is some line up of Ministers isn't it and what do they know,that they are not telling us?

Good Lord (no pun intended) I hadn't seen that page before.

Surely they're not all connected to this case?

It makes you wonder if the Pope himself wasn't in Praia da Luz on that holiday - maybe Richard D. Hall will enlighten us in his NEW film 'Why The Cover Up?' which is DUE OUT ANY DAY NOW!

by Verdi 28.03.17 15:11

suzyjohnson wrote:
Verdi, that's not Brightonboy's theory, he's just wondering what kind of explanation might mean that a priest would sympathise with the McCanns.

Same meat different gravy.

by Verdi 28.03.17 15:15

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Translation of Father Pachecos Statement to the PJ 30th October 2007

Jose Manuel Conceicao Pacheco

The first time he had contact with the McCann's was on 5th May at about 19.00. This was a personal contact with them in the Ocean Club at their apartment, but not the apartment Madeleine disappeared from. They were accompanied by members of the holiday group.

This was an important meeting for the McCann's and which had not been possible to the fact that they were busy. He knows that on the fateful night the McCann's requested the presence of a priest, but he was only informed the following morning.

On the 5th, the theme they talked about was the disappearance and he gave all possible spiritual comfort and they prayed together. They also agreed that the couple would go to the church the following day to attend a mass.

He also prayed with the McCann's on the 6th and 8th May in their apartment.

He gave them the key to the church on the 7th or 8th May upon the suggestion of John Geraghty, a resident of the parish, so that they could calmly go to the church without any media pressure. Someone from the church gave the key to John Geraghty, who then passed it on to the McCann's, with Father Pacheco's permission.

He does not remember the date upon which the key was returned.

Other contact with the McCann's took place at the end of mass when he would comfort them.

He would also meet with the McCann's after they returned from their trips and remembered they were animated when they returned from Morocco as they thought they would Madeleine there. He also comforted Kate when the news of a child buried in Arau broke, as she revealed great nervousness and anxiety, thinking that the child had died.

When questioned, he said he never heard their confessions, perhaps because they only spoke English.

He never talked to them alone.

He states that they showed great suffering to the loss of their daughter.

He adds that a parish bulletin was published giving spiritual, moral and human support to the couple and to other missing children.

by MTSTAR 28.03.17 15:21

Carrry On Doctor wrote:@MTSTAR, I think the priest you have in mind is Father Jose Pacheco. He is said to be a 'shell' of the man he once was.

Really? Makes you wonder what he knows. Is he not allowed to unburden himself?

by Verdi 28.03.17 15:36

Carrry On Doctor wrote:@MTSTAR, I think the priest you have in mind is Father Jose Pacheco. He is said to be a 'shell' of the man he once was.

Following the McCanns arguido interviews in September 2007, after they fled Portugal, there was a blitz of reportage in the UK press (around the 17/19th September) - this included claims about Father Jose Pacheco, all emanating from 'a source' close to His Reverence.

If the UK press reports concerning Dr Goncalo Amaral are anything to go by, I think anything connected to the Madeleine McCann case reported in the UK, should be viewed with considerable scepticism. Remember the more recent reports about Dr Amaral featured in the press a short while ago? I haven't got a link to hand but it was clear to me at the time, that UK tabloids were snooping around looking for something juicy to report back to Blighty.

The UK press are ruthless - they've got no scruples. They care not who they ruin for the sake of a story.

by Cmaryholmes 28.03.17 15:40

MTSTAR wrote:
Carrry On Doctor wrote:@MTSTAR, I think the priest you have in mind is Father Jose Pacheco. He is said to be a 'shell' of the man he once was.

Really? Makes you wonder what he knows. Is he not allowed to unburden himself?

If he is 'a shell of the man he once was' , why doesn't he grow a backbone and just tell the truth ?

by Liz Eagles 28.03.17 15:42

Verdi wrote:
suzyjohnson wrote:
Verdi, that's not Brightonboy's theory, he's just wondering what kind of explanation might mean that a priest would sympathise with the McCanns.
Same meat different gravy.

Gravy? Gravy? Dahling it's called jus nowadays, that watered down stuff concentrated into bottles squirted 'artistically' onto your plate in a dribble that's flourished with the back of a spoon to make you gasp in awe at the presentation of a chef that's given you a plate of meat or fish and it that makes you wonder why you went to a Michelin starred restaraunt to be served something really awful and pay your bill with joy!

by Verdi 28.03.17 15:54

aquila wrote:
Verdi wrote:
suzyjohnson wrote:
Verdi, that's not Brightonboy's theory, he's just wondering what kind of explanation might mean that a priest would sympathise with the McCanns.
Same meat different gravy.
Gravy? Gravy? Dahling it's called jus nowadays, that watered down stuff that makes you wonder why you went to a Michelin starred restaraunt to be served something really awful and pay your bill with joy!

And how that does annoy me! The word 'jus' is pinched from French and it means juice - not gravy nor even sauce, as I repeatedly shout at the television, "IT'S NOT JUS IT'S BLEEEEPING GRAVY"!.

I once saw one of those celebrity chefs being interviewed, he revealed some of the tricks of the trade which equated a Michelin star serving to that of the local greasy spoon - only considerably more expensive to the 'client'.

All to give food the status of 'sexy' - what a con!

by Liz Eagles 28.03.17 16:06

Verdi wrote:
aquila wrote:
Verdi wrote:
suzyjohnson wrote:
Verdi, that's not Brightonboy's theory, he's just wondering what kind of explanation might mean that a priest would sympathise with the McCanns.
Same meat different gravy.
Gravy? Gravy? Dahling it's called jus nowadays, that watered down stuff that makes you wonder why you went to a Michelin starred restaraunt to be served something really awful and pay your bill with joy!
And how that does annoy me! The word 'jus' is pinched from French and it means juice - not gravy nor even sauce, as I repeatedly shout at the television, "IT'S NOT JUS IT'S BLEEEEPING GRAVY"!.

I once saw one of those celebrity chefs being interviewed, he revealed some of the tricks of the trade which equated a Michelin star serving to that of the local greasy spoon - only considerably more expensive to the 'client'.

All to give food the status of 'sexy' - what a con!

I think we're off topic here.

I agree with everything you think and feel about food. Let's take it to the members' lounge because I'd like to discuss the travesty of food.

by suzyjohnson 28.03.17 20:46

Verdi wrote:
suzyjohnson wrote:
Verdi, that's not Brightonboy's theory, he's just wondering what kind of explanation might mean that a priest would sympathise with the McCanns.
Same meat different gravy.

No, completely different Verdi.

He isn't telling us his theory.

He is asking whether the McCanns could have said something to the priest to gain his sympathy.

No theory of what happened involved, (excepting the theory that the priest may know more than he has said)

by suzyjohnson 28.03.17 20:50

' ....... When questioned, he said he never heard their confessions, perhaps because they only spoke English ........'

So, in other words Fr Pachecos had no idea what they were actually talking about? He didn't even speak the same language?

Former Detective Inspector Dave Edgar says the motive for taking Madeleine was sexual and insists her parents had nothing to do with her disappearance