Re: The Mystery of the Make-Up Photo - was it taken on the same day as the Last Photo?

by **Jill Havern** 27.11.17 0:08

loopzdaloop wrote:Where's the thread on here that talked about the 'make up' photo being the 'last' photo as it was taken after she was dead.

PeterMac wrote this chapter about the tennis balls photo being the new 'last photo': http://whatreallyhappenedtomadeleinemccann.blogspot.co.uk/2016/08/chapter-21-is-tennis-balls-photo-new.html

by polyenne 27.11.17 11:14

In the Jon Corner video, the accompanying music to the Madeleine photos is Dido' Here with Me. In the circumstances, even those could be construed to be ill-judged :

Oh I am what I am
I'll do what I want
But I can't hide
And I won't go, I won't sleep
I can't breathe
Until you're resting here with me
And I won't leave, and I can't hide
I cannot be until you're resting here with me

by Mjc 27.11.17 19:45

Verdi wrote:Good evening Mjc and welcome to CMoMM .

The controversial image of Madeleine McCann, now commonly known as the 'make-up photograph' or the 'Lolita photograph', was included in the infamous video released by the McCanns close friend Jon Corner..

link I'm unable to post

The short video released by Jon Corner for the Madeleine McCann 2010 anniversary appeal, also included other seeming inappropriate images of Madeleine, as can be seen above.

Before surmising possible scenarios for the release of the 'make-up photograph', it needs to be taken in context with the other inappropriate images included in the video. This is not the release of one questionable photograph under scrutiny, it's the whole compilation produced by the man who appears to be custodian of all Madeleine McCann photographs.

"So beautiful, astonishingly bright, and I’d have to say very charismatic. She would shine out of a crowd. So—God forgive me—maybe that’s part of the problem. That special quality. Some ******* picked up on that."

Jon Corner

Makes you wonder doesn't it?

Thanks for the welcome Verdi and the video link. I was aware that a video was the source of the photos, but had never actually watched it, until now.
On watching the video I also noticed another strange thing. At 1.31 you can see part of the photo of Maddie from 'the last photo'. It's pinned to the wall with other photos and is partly obscured by the office chair where - presumably Kate - is using a laptop. It's just Maddie's hat and top of her face but it's clearly the same photo, yet Gerry's arm - which should be right by her hat - is gone? I can't understand why this would be.

Seems to a lot of trouble to have gone to airbrush his arm out of that picture and for no particular reason?

I'm new to this forum (which still seems quite vast), so apologies if this anomaly has already been explained or discussed on this thread or elsewhere.

by Mjc 27.11.17 20:10

And one final oddity is at 1.58. Same desk with Kate sat at it, from a different angle, and there is the Skirting Board photo beautifully framed and angled slightly towards the camera as if to say "it is completely normal for a favourite close-up photo of ones child to be one where they are mostly upside-down" (without a climbing frame in sight).

It is a well established that facial recognition is significantly diminished when that face of the subject is upside down. (I would post a link to support this, but as I'm new here I can't as the site blocks it.)

So by way of a completely non-scientific poll, does anyone here have any close-up photo of their child or grandchild on display anywhere (or know of anyone else that does), where the child's face is largely upside-down?

by Verdi 27.11.17 21:11

In response to both your posts #528/529, the purpose of the video is lost on me. Whatever, it's clearly staged by Jon Corner - he is afterall a film producer of sorts.

The images of Madeleine scattered around Kate McCann strategically poised at a desk that you specifically mention, are the same images as contained elsewhere in Jon Corner's video. I can only conclude that Gerry McCann was airbrushed out as he was superfluous to requirements - let's face it, who wouldn't want to airbrush Gerry McCann out :)? The poolside at 02:15 minutes..

Personally, I don't think there's much to be gained by minutely scrutinizing this video - the true reason for it's production is however another matter altogether.

ETA: Your point however is not entirely lost. Taking into account the image of Madeleine given to the PJ for official release..

The Mystery of the Make-Up Photo - was it taken on the same day as the Last Photo? - Page 22 15of20

The Mystery of the Make-Up Photo - was it taken on the same day as the Last Photo? - Page 22 15of20

.. clearly a younger Madeleine, in addition to the scores of other images released into the public domain - none of which are in any way useful to the 'search' apart from the Ocean Club playground and the Ocean Club poolside photograph - the most recent and therefore most useful images of Madeleine.

One could almost be inclined to think the 'search' didn't want Madeleine to be recognized.

by Sarshy 11.05.18 17:11

Does anyone else see lines streaming down from Maddies eyes in the make up photo like tears have washed away make up and left tear stains?

by Verdi 11.05.18 22:00

Sarshy wrote:Does anyone else see lines streaming down from Maddies eyes in the make up photo like tears have washed away make up and left tear stains?

Frankly no - and that's an emphatic no !

by inspectorgadget 12.05.18 1:13

The last photo ? Something that has been nagging me for many years (apart from the sheer incongruity of a father being involved in a family photo where he isn't even in contact with or looking at his kids, one of whom is actually missing from said photo) is this : get the picture up and have a look at the background , what do you see ? You see nothing. Why are there no others in the pic? There are no beach towels, there are no sunbathers, there are not even any personal belongings on any sunbeds in frame. How is this possible ? Either the pic was taken on a Saturday (changeover day , hence quiet) or it was taken on another day when there was no one around. It wasn't taken on the day purported. Clouds or not.

by Verdi 12.05.18 1:51

Inconclusive, there's nothing to be deduced from empty sunbeds or lack of towels/personal belongings - it was the end of April beginning of May, hardly conducive to sunbathing and poolside leisure ..

The Mystery of the Make-Up Photo - was it taken on the same day as the Last Photo? - Page 22 News-graphics-2007-_645125a

The Mystery of the Make-Up Photo - was it taken on the same day as the Last Photo? - Page 22 News-graphics-2007-_645125a

What's being suggested here anyway? Even the wildest imagination can't be thinking the sunbeds were added or the subjects were added - added to what and where and when?

Watch the birdie - say cheeze.. The Mystery of the Make-Up Photo - was it taken on the same day as the Last Photo? - Page 22 1f600

The Mystery of the Make-Up Photo - was it taken on the same day as the Last Photo? - Page 22 1f600

by Guest 12.05.18 6:52

Sarshy wrote:Does anyone else see lines streaming down from Maddies eyes in the make up photo like tears have washed away make up and left tear stains?

No.

by JohnyT 12.05.18 10:10

Personally I wouldn't put too much emphasis on the content of the photo rather than the DATE it was taken.
As for looking at the camera and interacting with his kids......I have family photos like that too where I (or my wife) is looking at the camera. That, IMHO, means nothing.

by Cookiecat 12.05.18 16:19

Reply to Sarshy yes the photo looks like tear stained or God forbid like she is drugged or dead.. the photo has been talked about on forum not as much as pool picture . .but I do agree it should be investigated it is not a picture of happy child playing with make up.. a case of hiding in plain sight maybe??

by Guest 12.05.18 21:11

Cookiecat wrote:Reply to Sarshy yes the photo looks like tear stained or God forbid like she is drugged or dead.. the photo has been talked about on forum not as much as pool picture . .but I do agree it should be investigated it is not a picture of happy child playing with make up.. a case of hiding in plain sight maybe??

Ah... the dead Madeleine photo... again.

Yawn.

by Cookiecat 12.05.18 21:21

Sorry Bluebag but it is not yawn .. the photo is distrubing yet the pool photo discussed more ... why?Is pool photo easy to digest and noone dissects make up photo because its too distastfull or real ... that photo reveals all ...its the one needs looked at they are having a laff in plain sight

by polyenne 13.05.18 0:00

Oh it’s been discussed alright, with the “thermometer” on the wall.

Search for them both

by Guest 13.05.18 7:27

Cookiecat wrote:Sorry Bluebag but it is not yawn .. the photo is distrubing yet the pool photo discussed more ... why?Is pool photo easy to digest and noone dissects make up photo because its too distastfull or real ... that photo reveals all ...its the one needs looked at they are having a laff in plain sight

It's been discussed big time - maybe you already saw it.

I'm pretty sure there were wind-up people in on it, especially the "its a dead Madeleine" in the photo.

"that photo reveals all"

Whatever.

I don't like kids in make-up and I don't like nods to Lolita poses... however that is far from revealing all.

by Kira7 10.01.19 23:53

I believe Madeleine applied the blue eyeshadow herself because as you can see there's even blue eye shadow smeared under her right eye down her cheek. And I see nothing pedo about the other solo two candids either. When I was that age I also posed in such a way with my head back, or sucking on a lollipop or with makeup on just for fun. I see nothing suggestive or indicative here.

by Verdi 11.01.19 21:02

Kira7, your comments have been moved here - hopes that's OK with you..

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t14726p150-photographs-revisited-general#395501

by **PeterMac** 11.01.19 21:34

One picture was taken by a man who served time in prison for child pornography. The other wasn't

The Mystery of the Make-Up Photo - was it taken on the same day as the Last Photo? - Page 22 Mcalpi10

The Mystery of the Make-Up Photo - was it taken on the same day as the Last Photo? - Page 22 Makeup10

by Phoebe 24.03.19 21:09

Every cloud has a silver lining they say and one thing Summers and Swan have provided is a very clear picture of Madeleine's head taken from the "last photo" of her. It clearly shows that her hair has a small plait tied off with white elastic. I seem to remember some discussion about her hair being the same in the "Make up" photo and featuring a pink "hair bead" leading to suggestions that the two photos may have been taken on the same day. It's not impossible that they loosened the plait and replaced it with a pink slide for the make up photo, but drawing conclusions that the photos were taken on the same day because of having the "same hair style" would appear to be unsound.

The Mystery of the Make-Up Photo - was it taken on the same day as the Last Photo? - Page 22 D2czuIaW0AUDX-F

The Mystery of the Make-Up Photo - was it taken on the same day as the Last Photo? - Page 22 D2czuIaW0AUDX-F

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by Verdi 24.03.19 23:33

I'm astonished that you use propaganda produced by Winter and Goose by way of example. The illustration is probably the worse copy of the poolside images that I've seen to date.

It's been through more processes than a tin of spam.

Shifting sands are unsound - thought for the day think

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by Phoebe 25.03.19 9:22

The fact that there is an elastic band tying off the small plaited section of Madeleine's hair is clear in ALL of the "last photo images - not merely on the enlarged one used as the cover of S&S book. It seems to have been a popular style with her. We don't have access to any of the original photos, so the same argument be made re. interference with any of them.
Maybe the expert who verified for TCMoMM that the last photo wasn't photo shopped could compare the version he analysed with this enlargement and offer his expert advice.
The Mystery of the Make-Up Photo - was it taken on the same day as the Last Photo? - Page 22 Hqdefault

The Mystery of the Make-Up Photo - was it taken on the same day as the Last Photo? - Page 22 Hqdefault

by Verdi 25.03.19 11:29

Phoebe wrote:Maybe the expert who verified for TCMoMM that the last photo wasn't photo shopped could compare the version he analysed with this enlargement and offer his expert advice.

What do you hope to achieve by comparing good quality elastic bands over a period of years? Will your eventual conclusions assist the work of the forum in any way, or will it just add another distraction.

I can't see anything to be gained by this exercise - the poolside photograph is a key element as stand alone evidence of the most likely (evidenced based) time of Madeleine's disappearance. A family album photograph from past year is not going to help one iota.

by Verdi 26.03.19 11:36

Phoebe wrote:I seem to remember some discussion about her hair being the same in the "Make up" photo and featuring a pink "hair bead" leading to suggestions that the two photos may have been taken on the same day.

You might find this helpful..

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t12958-the-mystery-of-the-make-up-photo-was-it-taken-on-the-same-day-as-the-last-photo

by iwantanswers 26.03.19 14:25

Hello,

I've just joined today as have followed the case for years and taken an interest in it again after it's all been brought up again.

I just wondered if anyone has questioned why there's a huge discrepancy in the shape of her ear in the make up photo compared to what it actually looks like?

You can clearly see the shape of her ear on this photo however, on the make up photo, it very clearly looks like it's been shaped to make a P.

I'm not sure if this has any relevance whatsoever but it may be a huge marker?

The Mystery of the Make-Up Photo - was it taken on the same day as the Last Photo? - Page 22 Maddynomaareenkeer

The Mystery of the Make-Up Photo - was it taken on the same day as the Last Photo? - Page 22 Maddynomaareenkeer

The Mystery of the Make-Up Photo - was it taken on the same day as the Last Photo?