The Mystery of the Make-Up Photo - was it taken on the same day as the Last Photo?

nyxy,

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Can we start again?

A hearty to CMOMM nyxy.

Without constructive commentary open to further scrutiny, how can we ever move forward towards the ultimate goal - justice in the name of Madeleine McCann.

If you are wavering on the subject of when the last photograph was most probably taken (not the make-up image I hasten to add), perhaps you might like to read forum member PeterMac's exemplary analysis.  You are not asked nor expected to agree with anything or everything, only that you consider the evidence that supports the conclusion of the many dedicated researchers and analysts who have devoted so much personal time and energy to the subject of the Complete Mystery of Madeleine McCann.

http://whatreallyhappenedtomadeleinemccann.blogspot.com/2016/08/chapter-14-last-photo-pool-photo.html

Please don't feel abashed by some unfortunate misunderstanding.  Your membership is valued here on CMOMM just the same as any other genuine member.

The make up photo is so pale. I think I am going to be sick. But to me the photo looks dead. Well it does, its pale and lifeless and the eyes have no emotion whatsoever they are glassy. I have to go.

Sorry to repost on an old thread but I only saw this photo the other night and struggled to sleep, felt uneasy. Like a sick feeling in my stomach and yet I don't even have children yet. 

I actually showed this to a few friends who have discussed the case before. Interestingly, 3 of them suggested that the blue object is a shoulder and her hair is being pulled back. One of them also suggested that she thinks Maddie could be dead in the photo due to the angle. 

I note that Tony touched on the hidden messages in the initial post however he cannot see these. The video also makes me feel weird, not sure why the word information needs to come up so many times. Considering Jon Corner is a "professional". 

Even worse, if this photo was taken on the Sunday and Maddie was alive. Could she have died in an incident following this picture? Still makes me feel sickly writing this now. Eww

Verdi wrote:Your question is shared by many an observer coati mundi, including me.  Indeed, the entire content of Jon Corner's 2010 video appeal raises eyebrows, to say the least.

Sadly, it's the people behind sick videos that are feeding the child pornography industry.

Like every insalubrious aspect of life - if you don't feed it, it will starve and die.

Good to see that Jon Corner has gone from strength to strength 

http://www.salfordstar.com/article.asp?id=1918

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/officers/luXmgBI29iwZV3QmmHnEMWvKB8Y/appointments

PinkPanther wrote:Sorry to repost on an old thread but I only saw this photo the other night and struggled to sleep, felt uneasy. Like a sick feeling in my stomach and yet I don't even have children yet. 

I actually showed this to a few friends who have discussed the case before. Interestingly, 3 of them suggested that the blue object is a shoulder and her hair is being pulled back. One of them also suggested that she thinks Maddie could be dead in the photo due to the angle. 

I note that Tony touched on the hidden messages in the initial post however he cannot see these. The video also makes me feel weird, not sure why the word information needs to come up so many times. Considering Jon Corner is a "professional". 

Even worse, if this photo was taken on the Sunday and Maddie was alive. Could she have died in an incident following this picture? Still makes me feel sickly writing this now. Eww

I’ve thought the same as your friend in that she’s dead.  I would like to know who the ‘they’ are that Kate referred to when she called out to Gerry that ‘They’ve taken her’.  Were  K &G allowing people to go into their apartment to look at the children? Everything I think of feels sick and twisted but I can’t help feeling something vile went horribly wrong.

MTSTAR wrote:

PinkPanther wrote:Sorry to repost on an old thread but I only saw this photo the other night and struggled to sleep, felt uneasy. Like a sick feeling in my stomach and yet I don't even have children yet. 

I actually showed this to a few friends who have discussed the case before. Interestingly, 3 of them suggested that the blue object is a shoulder and her hair is being pulled back. One of them also suggested that she thinks Maddie could be dead in the photo due to the angle. 

I note that Tony touched on the hidden messages in the initial post however he cannot see these. The video also makes me feel weird, not sure why the word information needs to come up so many times. Considering Jon Corner is a "professional". 

Even worse, if this photo was taken on the Sunday and Maddie was alive. Could she have died in an incident following this picture? Still makes me feel sickly writing this now. Eww

I’ve thought the same as your friend in that she’s dead.  I would like to know who the ‘they’ are that Kate referred to when she called out to Gerry that ‘They’ve taken her’.  Were  K &G allowing people to go into their apartment to look at the children? Everything I think of feels sick and twisted but I can’t help feeling something vile went horribly wrong.

That terrible comment that Kate made in her book about Madeleine’s perfect genitals being torn apart made feel physically sick.

PeterMac wrote:The book was written for the twins.  And now they are old enough to understand the terms, I wonder how they feel about it.
I wonder, incidentally, whether there is a copy in the house for them to see, and show to their little friends who pop round for tea and dinner at the bottom of the garden.

The twins have already been damaged by media articles published about their school, a place held open for Madeleine, the school bus radio revelation about Amaral and Kate going on telly to talk about fear of leaving them in a car to pay for petrol.

PeterMac wrote:The book was written for the twins.  And now they are old enough to understand the terms, I wonder how they feel about it.
I wonder, incidentally, whether there is a copy in the house for them to see, and show to their little friends who pop round for tea and dinner at the bottom of the garden.

Hi PeterMac, Happy Friday.

The question is, how many parents let their children visit the mccann house for tea?
How many go over and have/had play time and socializing  with the twins?
How many, if any, allowed their children to have sleepovers at the mccann house?
If so, when did this start?
Do/did the mccanns let the twins go to other childrens houses for tea and or socializing?
If so when did this start?

I wonder if the twins have read the book?
Was there a copy in the house ready for the twins to read when they chose?
Did the mccanns ever read the book to the twins?
If the twins read the book and there wasn't a copy in the house, how did they read it?
If the twins read the book, did they ask kate and gerry questions about the contents?
If so would the mccanns have answered them?
If they answered them how believeable and honest were their answers?
Have kate and gerry, I wonder, ever spoken about the PJ and UK police and what they did ?
I wonder if the twins have ever asked why kate didn't answer the over 48 questions (there were more as several were compound questions which is a big no no)?
I wonder if the twins have ever asked why kate and gerry never searched for Maddie?
I wonder if the twins are allowed to talk freely about Maddie and their parents behavior and language?
If so when?
I wonder if the twins read on the internet about Maddie and the language and behavior of their parents in relation to the language and behavior of innocent parents as compared to guilty parents?
If so when did they start?
I wonder if kate and gerry have asked the twins what, if anything they remember of that vacation?
If so when?
I wonder, if the twins know more regarding what they remember about that vacation. would they tell kate and gerry everything they remember, such as, not seeing Maddie anytime after the Sunday/Monday?
If not, why?
Would it be because they thought that if they told kate and gerry they remember not seeing Maddie after a certain day, they might have an 'accident'
After all once you have killed something/someone, you have broken though that barrier and the second one is easier.
The more people/animals you kill the easier as you become more detached.
The same would go for any crime, once you have crossed that threshold and gotten away with it, you have lost that fear and it becomes easier.
Have the twins confided in each other?
Do kate and gerry fear that the twins might know something and go to the police?
Do they fear the twins might have or may decide to confide in a friend or teacher who will then go to the police?
Do the twins know something such as overhearing an argument from that vacation or during any of the last 13 years regarding Maddie such as who did what to her, what they did with her body, where they dumped her/disposed of her remains and are waiting until they reach 18/age of majority before saying or doing something as they can't be taken in to care by social services?
Have they ever looked in Maddie's bedroom at all the presents bought for her?
Given kate has told us she bought clothes for Maddie over the years, what have they done with all the toys and clothes bought for the younger Maddie such as when she was 5?
If they have moved them to the attic, have they ever looked there?
Did Amelie get all Maddie's clothes as she got older, including all the one bought for Maddie?
I wonder if there is anything kate and gerry have told the twins they cannot say/do/look at/look for?
As an aside, I wonder what would happen if a cadaver dog was brought to the house?

Am I the only one who for years, every time there was mention of police and ambulance being called to a house for an injured child wonder if it was in Rothley Towers?
Am I the only one who on hearing of someone injured/attacked in their house wonder if it is Rothley Towers?

Given all the stresses the mccanns are under from the original incident, maintaining the facade, suing various individuals and companies and , in the case of Dr. Gonçalo Amaral for over £1m, suing him in not only their names but that of the twins and Maddie and losing rather badly and having to pay not only their costs but also the costs of Dr. Gonçalo Amaral and currently trying to get that overturned by going to the ECHR, forgetting/ignoring their, I would assume Intelligent lawyers/not understanding etc that the ECHR cannot overturn a guilty verdict, cannot sue an individual only the state/relying on the tapas 7 to say nothing (If they are still talking to them)
The guilt eating away at them, especially kate,wondering if today is the day it all comes tumbling down?
Wondering if the PJ will let the Germans test the 'saliva' sample allegedly from a a young boy on the bed cover from the bed in the children's room in apartment 5a in PDL?
Having the Germans do further tests on the sample from the hire car and discovering that the 4 degraded markers that were too degraded to test then but can be tested bow due to modern advances.
The sample on the bed cover turning out to be semen as originally recorded and then mysteriously altered to saliva.
Then having to explain how semen came to be on the bed cover of a childs bed in the bedroom where Maddie was allegedly abducted from.
Having all the men provide a DNA sample for comparison and then wondering/knowing there is a match and possibly to whom.

Kate is emotionally fragile and has a vicious and violent temper as seen by her language in her book and in interviews where she uses words like"Furious, Raging, Incandescent"
Kicking and hitting things and explaining away by friends the large bruises on her wrists as her hitting the wall (although how she bruised her wrists like that hitting a wall when it would be her hands that would be hurt) and no mention of the ones on her upper arms.
All the bruises looking more like restraint bruises than temper bruises.
In one TV interview when talking about the alleged crying incident with Maddie, she held her arms out as if holding Maddie and shaking her violently when saying she should have asked her more aboutwhat happened rather than letting Maddie allegedly walk away as if nothing had happened.
In other interviews, kate spoke of committing a murder-suicide:

"It really isn't easy," coping. "Some days are better than others. ... There's days when you think, 'I can't do this anymore,' and you just want to press a button, and we're all gone, and it's all finished, and we're all together and gone. Wherever. But you can't, you know. Just occasionally you'll have a -- if you're having a really bad day, which we do. And you can't help but think that."




Not the thing any innocent parent would ever consider, especially given the belief their missing child could be found at any moment, definitely though the thoughts of a guilty parent who didn't want to do time in jail or even execution and didn't want their child(ren) living with someone else.

Over the years, the house must have been like a tinderbox, just wondering when kate will have a meltdown over a news article in the press about Dr. Gonçalo Amaral, especially when they lost (Boy it will be interesting when their cases gets dropped by the ECHR)
If it isn't then we will be asking a chit load of questions about how they can sue an individual in a criminal case when no one else has ever been allowed to and, also more importantly, who applied political pressure to get the ECHR to allow the case and why?
Media articles that don't paint them in a positive light or reminds readers about their awkward language and behavior after the alleged abductions, such as not physically searching:






Just things to ponder about?

Hobs wrote:

I wonder if the twins have...

...just things to ponder about 

[REST SNIPPED]

The twins seem to be doing very well, actually.

For several years, they have been competing successfully in competitive sports such as swimming, athletics and cross-country, representing their school and athletics club at regional and even national events.

Kate McCann has for some time been the joint manager of the athletics club's Under-15 girls' cross-country team, a sport in which Amelia has competed very successfully for years.

This is publicly-available information on the internet, and reports about their athletic prowess regularly feature in their local newspaper, the Loughborough Echo, this one for example:

https://www.loughboroughecho.net/sport/other-sport/swimming/seven-titles-for-loughborough-swimmers-14192428

Tony Bennett wrote:

Hobs wrote:

I wonder if the twins have...

...just things to ponder about 

[REST SNIPPED]

The twins seem to be doing very well, actually.

For several years, they have been competing successfully in competitive sports such as swimming, athletics and cross-country, representing their school and athletics club at regional and even national events.

Kate McCann has for some time been the joint manager of the athletics club's Under-15 girls' cross-country team, a sport in which Amelia has competed very successfully for years.

This is publicly-available information on the internet, and reports about their athletic prowess regularly feature in their local newspaper, the Loughborough Echo, this one for example:

https://www.loughboroughecho.net/sport/other-sport/swimming/seven-titles-for-loughborough-swimmers-14192428

I expect it helps having a multi-million pound savings pot to dip in to to pay for all these sports.  Many parents struggle to put food on the table, let alone pay entrance fees for swimming pools or athletics clubs.

@cookiemuncher  Ouch, ouch, ouch, ouch!!! 

But very true

Tried and failed to multi quote.

I was looking again at that blue eye-shadow pic. 

Read a the last few comments, but not whole thread.

I agree with some awful suggestions. 

Madeleine looks to be in a lying down position but photoshopped upright. 

She could almost be in a post mortem photo.

As in "chapel of rest."

But this would be too sick. Surely they wouldn't put that out!?

And then I remember the words in K's book - as mentioned above. They clearly are that sick.

Lance De Boils wrote:As in "chapel of rest."

But this would be too sick. Surely they wouldn't put that out!?

And then I remember the words in K's book - as mentioned above. They clearly are that sick.

I don't think you can come up with some of those suggestions unless you've actually lived them i.e. what KM has mentioned in her book (for the twins to read when they're older, ffs.    )

I can't imagine what that would do to the twins' minds.

The book entry - bloody hell. Even if K had those thoughts, why write them down for publication? Very odd.

Do we know where that photo was taken? Sorry if I missed that bit.

cookiemuncher wrote:

Lance De Boils wrote:As in "chapel of rest."

But this would be too sick. Surely they wouldn't put that out!?

And then I remember the words in K's book - as mentioned above. They clearly are that sick.

I don't think you can come up with some of those suggestions unless you've actually lived them i.e. what KM has mentioned in her book (for the twins to read when they're older, ffs.    )

I can't imagine what that would do to the twins' minds.

I forgot to add that unless you've lived a crisis it's hard to even think about how you would react or say in a book.  When I found my Mother dead on her bedroom floor it was a great shock and it's not something you could think about when it never happens because you don't know how you would feel or how you would react or cope until it happens.

That's why I believe that KM lived those "moments" she mentions in her book to describe them so clearly.

Its terrible think that they dont see a problem in the makeup photo being published while she was missing. I dont know if anyone talked about it yet but her neck looks weird for me. In the left the line is not straight and in the right it looks more curved than it should be. But maybe is because of the light.

Yes, the image has been discussed at great length - from the size and angle of the nose, right down to the mouth and sideways to the ear lobes and - that's only the beginning.

  jstice!

I have an interpretation of the make-up photo that may not have been considered before. Could this have been the last photo? the last ever photo of Madeleine Post Mortem? But not in a sinister way. There is a lot of discussion around the blue colouration in the background and what item or object it could be, with suggestions ranging from a t-shirt to sun lounger or surfboard. But I have another suggestion. I think it might be the end of a dressing up dress that we are catching a glimpse of.
Gerry referred to Madeleine as a princess and we know from the videos that she loved to dress up. 
 
What do we do when someone we love dies and we prepare them for the funeral? We dress them in something they like to wear.
The fairytale princess in Sleeping Beauty, Aurora, wore a pink dress but when they thought she had died she was laid to rest in a blue dress. 
Was Madeleine wearing a Sleeping Beauty costume in this photo? 
Was Madelene their sleeping beauty? The thought of death too much to bear so just endlessly asleep. (Hence the endless search)
When my mother died last year I did the same three things I think I see demonstrated here. Favourite outfit, Makeup and necklace.
She wore an outfit she loved, I painted her nails and I made her a daisy chain necklace from daisies in her garden like we did when I was a child.

I'd like to think if Madeleine is this little sleeping beauty that she is warmed by the Portuguese sun by day, bathed in the moonlight of the most extraordinary night sky and knows each twinkling star as her friend.

Or perhaps the image is as it appears .... fake.