Re: The Mystery of the Make-Up Photo - was it taken on the same day as the Last Photo?

by **Verdi** Sat Jul 02, 2016 11:56 pm

@TonyBennett: Madeleine's pupils are quite large, so not a well lit area, again imo.

Substance abuse can cause dilated pupils.

by Nina Sun Jul 03, 2016 12:25 am

Verdi wrote:
sharonl wrote:What is the black item on the wall to the left of Madeleines' head?

According to a member way back on another thread, it's a thermometre. How that conclusion was drawn I haven't the foggiest but if it be so, can't say I've ever seen such a fixture on the balcony of tourist accommodation.

That other member was on facebook and she said it reminded her of a thermometer she had in a shaded outside wall in her house in Spain.or it could be a balcony/patio/terrace light.

by plebgate Sun Jul 03, 2016 1:01 am

Nina wrote:
Verdi wrote:
sharonl wrote:What is the black item on the wall to the left of Madeleines' head?

According to a member way back on another thread, it's a thermometre. How that conclusion was drawn I haven't the foggiest but if it be so, can't say I've ever seen such a fixture on the balcony of tourist accommodation.
That other member was on facebook and she said it reminded her of a thermometer she had in a shaded outside wall in her house in Spain.or it could be a balcony/patio/terrace light.

Could the blue object in the background be an inflatable lilo against the wall?
It looks to me to be the shape of the top of a lilo and I think I can see white shade at the sides?

by **Tony Bennett** Sun Jul 03, 2016 1:08 am

Verdi wrote:@TonyBennett: Madeleine's pupils are quite large, so not a well lit area, again imo.

Substance abuse can cause dilated pupils.

(The words above were from 'Heather Hopper' in another place, which I quoted)
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I think it would be very helpful if we had an expert in the house who could say exactly to what extent Madeleine's pupils are dilated in the Make-Up Photo, especially when compared with other photos of her.

We also probably need an expert in the effects of drugs on pupils.

I distinctly recall a most peculiar photo of Gerry McCann, I think dressed as a doctor, with a rather 'mad' expression on his face, a kind of weird, clownish grin. I must admit he did look rather 'out of it', and a lot of folk asked: 'What was he on?'

Can anyone produce it? - his pupils were said to be 'dilated' on that one as well

by **Verdi** Sun Jul 03, 2016 1:12 am

Tony Bennett wrote:
Verdi wrote:@TonyBennett: Madeleine's pupils are quite large, so not a well lit area, again imo.

Substance abuse can cause dilated pupils.
(The words above were from 'Heather Hopper' in another place, which I quoted)
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I think it would be very helpful if we had an expert in the house who could say exactly to what extent Madeleine's pupils are dilated in the Make-Up Photo, especially when compared with other photos of her.

We also probably need an expert in the effects of drugs on pupils.

I distinctly recall a most peculiar photo of Gerry McCann, I think dressed as a doctor, with a rather 'mad' expression on his face, a kind of weird, clownish grin. I must admit he did look rather 'out of it', and a lot of folk asked: 'What was he on?'

Can anyone produce it? - his pupils were said to be 'dilated' on that one as well

The Mystery of the Make-Up Photo - was it taken on the same day as the Last Photo? - Page 3 Kate+and+gerry

NB: Apologies, I should have made it clear that the comment was made by someone other than your goodself.

ETA: http://www.phoenixhouse.org/prevention/signs-and-symptoms-of-substance-abuse/

by **Verdi** Sun Jul 03, 2016 1:14 am

A better image without the side order..

The Mystery of the Make-Up Photo - was it taken on the same day as the Last Photo? - Page 3 Whose_10

by **Tony Bennett** Sun Jul 03, 2016 1:18 am

Verdi wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
Verdi wrote:@TonyBennett: Madeleine's pupils are quite large, so not a well lit area, again imo.

Substance abuse can cause dilated pupils.
(The words above were from 'Heather Hopper' in another place, which I quoted)
-----------------

I think it would be very helpful if we had an expert in the house who could say exactly to what extent Madeleine's pupils are dilated in the Make-Up Photo, especially when compared with other photos of her.

We also probably need an expert in the effects of drugs on pupils.

I distinctly recall a most peculiar photo of Gerry McCann, I think dressed as a doctor, with a rather 'mad' expression on his face, a kind of weird, clownish grin. I must admit he did look rather 'out of it', and a lot of folk asked: 'What was he on?'

Can anyone produce it? - his pupils were said to be 'dilated' on that one as well

NB: Apologies, I should have made it clear that the comment was made by someone other than your goodself.

Wow, that was quick!

Yes, the better image shows us VERY dilated pupils on Gerry McCann, but I know little or nothing about what causes dilated pupils - except the dark, of course.

Are Madeleine's pupils significantly dilated in the Make-Up Photo? or not?

I meant to add that Madeleine's eyes in that photo do seem to have the same expressionless look, like those of someone in a catatonic state

by **Verdi** Sun Jul 03, 2016 1:22 am

Tony Bennett wrote:
Verdi wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
Verdi wrote:@TonyBennett: Madeleine's pupils are quite large, so not a well lit area, again imo.

Substance abuse can cause dilated pupils.
(The words above were from 'Heather Hopper' in another place, which I quoted)
-----------------

I think it would be very helpful if we had an expert in the house who could say exactly to what extent Madeleine's pupils are dilated in the Make-Up Photo, especially when compared with other photos of her.

We also probably need an expert in the effects of drugs on pupils.

I distinctly recall a most peculiar photo of Gerry McCann, I think dressed as a doctor, with a rather 'mad' expression on his face, a kind of weird, clownish grin. I must admit he did look rather 'out of it', and a lot of folk asked: 'What was he on?'

Can anyone produce it? - his pupils were said to be 'dilated' on that one as well

NB: Apologies, I should have made it clear that the comment was made by someone other than your goodself.
Wow, that was quick!

Yes, the better image shows us VERY dilated pupils on Gerry McCann, but I know little or nothing about what causes dilated pupils - except the dark, of course.

Are Madeleine's pupils significantly dilated in the Make-Up Photo? or not?

I meant to add that Madeleine's eyes in that photo do seem to have the same expressionless look, like those of someone in a catatonic state

Can't see it myself but I'm sure someone in the house will have an informed opinion.

by Roxyroo Sun Jul 03, 2016 1:46 am

Substance abuse causes the eyes to dilate wen a drug such as heroin is leaving the body, they go to tiny pin points wen drug is first ingested/being high.Added withdrawal symptoms are yawning and eyes watering. Conversely a drug such as cocaine makes pupils dilate immediately once taken. This line of thought with doc McCann always reminds me of Doctor Shipman, who was a morphine addict. In fact several bottles were found in his garage!

by Roxyroo Sun Jul 03, 2016 2:26 am

Nina wrote:
sharonl wrote:The floor board picture seems to have been taken in the McCanns' kitchen

I would imagine all the skirting boards in the house will be the same design. Now why does that dress concern me?

Me too. Its too big for her anyway

by joyce1938 Sun Jul 03, 2016 10:35 am

I think maybe that too big dress could be a hand me down ? Once a kid see's the dress ,she would want to wear it ,maybe a cousins ? joyce1938

by MayMuse Sun Jul 03, 2016 4:47 pm

Nina wrote:
Verdi wrote:
sharonl wrote:What is the black item on the wall to the left of Madeleines' head?

According to a member way back on another thread, it's a thermometre. How that conclusion was drawn I haven't the foggiest but if it be so, can't say I've ever seen such a fixture on the balcony of tourist accommodation.
That other member was on facebook and she said it reminded her of a thermometer she had in a shaded outside wall in her house in Spain.or it could be a balcony/patio/terrace light.

It looks like a bracket for a hanging basket, my parents had one like that and the basket fits on the top of the bracket. Could this photo have been taken in Donegal before they went to Portugal?

by **Tony Bennett** Sun Jul 03, 2016 10:47 pm

MayMuse wrote:
Nina wrote:
Verdi wrote:
sharonl wrote:What is the black item on the wall to the left of Madeleines' head?

According to a member way back on another thread, it's a thermometre. How that conclusion was drawn I haven't the foggiest but if it be so, can't say I've ever seen such a fixture on the balcony of tourist accommodation.
That other member was on facebook and she said it reminded her of a thermometer she had in a shaded outside wall in her house in Spain.or it could be a balcony/patio/terrace light.
It looks like a bracket for a hanging basket, my parents had one like that and the basket fits on the top of the bracket. Could this photo have been taken in Donegal before they went to Portugal?

The McCanns had an opportunity to say 'Madeleine put this make-up in Donegal' - but they did not say that.

They claimed it was 'a few weeks before' they went to Portugal, clearly implying that it happened at home in Rothley.

Everything they have said about that photograph looks wrong.

by tinkier Sun Jul 03, 2016 11:28 pm

Verdi wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
Verdi wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
Verdi wrote:@TonyBennett: Madeleine's pupils are quite large, so not a well lit area, again imo.

Substance abuse can cause dilated pupils.
(The words above were from 'Heather Hopper' in another place, which I quoted)
-----------------

I think it would be very helpful if we had an expert in the house who could say exactly to what extent Madeleine's pupils are dilated in the Make-Up Photo, especially when compared with other photos of her.

We also probably need an expert in the effects of drugs on pupils.

I distinctly recall a most peculiar photo of Gerry McCann, I think dressed as a doctor, with a rather 'mad' expression on his face, a kind of weird, clownish grin. I must admit he did look rather 'out of it', and a lot of folk asked: 'What was he on?'

Can anyone produce it? - his pupils were said to be 'dilated' on that one as well

NB: Apologies, I should have made it clear that the comment was made by someone other than your goodself.
Wow, that was quick!

Yes, the better image shows us VERY dilated pupils on Gerry McCann, but I know little or nothing about what causes dilated pupils - except the dark, of course.

Are Madeleine's pupils significantly dilated in the Make-Up Photo? or not?

I meant to add that Madeleine's eyes in that photo do seem to have the same expressionless look, like those of someone in a catatonic state
Can't see it myself but I'm sure someone in the house will have an informed opinion.

Antihistamines e.g Diphenhydramine (benadryl) can cause dilated pupils as well as having a sedative effect. Even more so on a young child who had maybe a little more than the prescribed dose.

by **Verdi** Mon Jul 04, 2016 12:15 am

[color:1db2=000000][color:1db2=000000]Direct quotes from the Dail[color:1db2=000000]y Mail [snipped]..

[color:1db2=000000]Last week her parents returned to Portugal to put pressure on the police to renew their investigation, which was dropped in July 2008, and released the photo and a new video in the hope of triggering new leads in the search for their daughter, who would now be six.

[color:1db2=000000] The Mystery of the Make-Up Photo - was it taken on the same day as the Last Photo? - Page 3 Newmaddiepicture

[color:1db2=000000]Having fun: The new photo showing Madeleine in blue eyeshadow, beads and

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The couple, both 42-year-old doctors from Rothley, Leicestershire, said their three-man team of private detectives hunting for Madeleine had discovered leads in police case files which had previously been dismissed.

In an interview with a Portuguese newspaper, Mr McCann said: 'There are leads, clues which weren't investigated. That information has been sent to the authorities.[color:1db2=000000]..

[color:1db2=000000][color:1db2=000000][size=13][color:1db2=000000][size=13]We know that one of the leads was followed up and eliminated, and another was considered irrelevant. We don't agree. I'm not saying we have somebody who saw Madeleine. But clues lead to other clues and we have to convince the police to investigate them.'

The couple, who will spend tomorrow with friends, would not give more details of the leads they want followed up, saying that could hinder the investigation.

Mr McCann added: 'We are going to call for the case to be reopened. Can it be done? It can. Will it be done? I don't know.'

[/size][/size][color:1db2=000000][color:1db2=000000][size=13][color:1db2=000000][size=13][size=13][color:1db2=000000][size=13][size=13]A short film released by the couple yesterday shows some of their efforts to find their missing child over the past three years, from handing out posters in Portugal to chasing up leads from their home.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1270357/Maddie-plays-dressing-weeks-vanished-McCanns-fly-Portugal-bid-reopen-case--release-new-picture.html

Reader please be advised that the McCanns had the opportunity to stop the investigation being archived by the PJ in 2008 - they didn't!

Again I ask, whatever your opinion of the short video produced by family friend Jon Corner, how could the provocative images possibly be seen as 'showing some of their efforts to find their missing child'?

ETA: Sorry for the mess - mccannfiles again.
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by worriedmum Mon Jul 04, 2016 12:21 am

Sorry, but there is no way I would describe that as a picture of a little girl 'having fun'. Just no.

by canada12 Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:27 am

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If anything this is an attempt to emulate the Graham Ovenden photo which you can see here:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/df/62/b8/df62b8cfb3fd1b9f9d5ec202bd34dbfc.jpg

(For reference purposes the photo is called "Sam" and it was published in 1972)

Sorry but I can't see it being accidental. And Graham Ovenden was a notorious photographer of young children. You can read all about him online at your leisure.
This photo of Madeleine is, in my opinion, an attempt to copy Ovenden's photo. Whoever took it knew exactly what they were doing and also knew about the Ovenden photo.

by **Verdi** Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:54 am

canada12 wrote:

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If anything this is an attempt to emulate the Graham Ovenden photo which you can see here:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/df/62/b8/df62b8cfb3fd1b9f9d5ec202bd34dbfc.jpg

(For reference purposes the photo is called "Sam" and it was published in 1972)

Sorry but I can't see it being accidental. And Graham Ovenden was a notorious photographer of young children. You can read all about him online at your leisure.
This photo of Madeleine is, in my opinion, an attempt to copy Ovenden's photo. Whoever took it knew exactly what they were doing and also knew about the Ovenden photo.

Oh I'm totally aware of Graham Ovenden and I totally agree - let's not be shy..

The Mystery of the Make-Up Photo - was it taken on the same day as the Last Photo? - Page 3 Df62b8cfb3fd1b9f9d5ec202bd34dbfc

The Mystery of the Make-Up Photo - was it taken on the same day as the Last Photo? - Page 3 Df62b8cfb3fd1b9f9d5ec202bd34dbfc

Only one example of the man's depravity in the name of art - condoned by an elite sect of society that cannot see any harm in depicting a child's form as a sex object..

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2015/10/graham-ovendens-art-is-controversial-but-its-destruction-is-a-scandal/

So, no problem - apparently. You can produce provocative images of children without censure just as long as it's classified as 'art'.

angry2

What is wrong with this world?

by Doug D Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:16 am

Don’t think I have ever seen the full Ovendon photo before, but if the MM photo was an attempt to emulate it, that could explain the strange way the published photo has been cut.

Alternative solution is that it has been cut this way to prevent identification of the location, as I can't see that the original photo would have been taken in this way, but then why it was ever published at all beats me.

I wonder whether the PJ ever looked for/found any photos of MM on the ‘dark web’ or whatever it is they call it?

by worriedmum Mon Jul 04, 2016 8:50 am

I also wonder whether the photo has been released and publicised in Portugal. If it was taken in Portugal, someone might recognise the location.

by **Tony Bennett** Mon Jul 04, 2016 9:45 am

Could these two photographs of Madeleine have been taken on the SAME DAY?

The Mystery of the Make-Up Photo - was it taken on the same day as the Last Photo? - Page 3 1make-10

The Mystery of the Make-Up Photo - was it taken on the same day as the Last Photo? - Page 3 1make-10

The Mystery of the Make-Up Photo - was it taken on the same day as the Last Photo? - Page 3 Sssmad10

by worriedmum Mon Jul 04, 2016 10:04 am

Madeleine's hair does look the same length, with the same long piece hanging over her eye. She looks flushed on the pool photo,but how could we tell what order they were taken in?

I have a huge problem with the shading on the dressing up photo. If you look at the neck where there is a strange 'kink' you will notice that the top half of the neck, roughly, is a pinker colour than the bottom half. There is a wavy line if you look closely. I have the same problem with the tennis photo. The arm has wavy darker lines and of course there is the White Hand issue. I have previously read that the blue 'eyeshadow' is not eyeshadow at all, but has been applied digitally to the image. Can anyone offer expert advice?

by **Jill Havern** Mon Jul 04, 2016 10:27 am

It looks like a pink strap underneath the gold coloured bead necklace, same as the Last Photo.

by **Tony Bennett** Mon Jul 04, 2016 11:21 am

Get'emGonçalo wrote:It looks like a pink strap underneath the gold coloured bead necklace, same as the Last Photo.

YES. That is another chilling 'coincidence'

by Nina Mon Jul 04, 2016 12:07 pm

Tony Bennett wrote:
Get'emGonçalo wrote:It looks like a pink strap underneath the gold coloured bead necklace, same as the Last Photo.
YES. That is another chilling 'coincidence'

I cannot post screen shots on this group but please look at this on 500 magnification.

Please compare the pink edge of clothing on the makeup photo with the edging of the top on the pool picture. The way it is formed and stitched is the same so I would agree there is every likelihood it is the same garment.

Also on the same magnification and on the makeup photo please check Madeline's right cheek bone and her neck. There is, imo, some bruising in both these areas.There is certainly discolouration against her very pale skin.

The Mystery of the Make-Up Photo - was it taken on the same day as the Last Photo?