Breaking News on Sky News - SY back in PDL suspects to be interviewed

stargazer59 wrote:

AndyB wrote:

Justformaddie wrote:

AndyB wrote:

stargazer59 wrote:Can anyone please explain why WLBTS has been banned? he ahas asked on twitter because he does not know why, and has apologised for not being able to say goodbye

WTF!!??

That surely can't be true

It is

WBLTS was certainly not a troll and there wasn't any personal abuse so I fear that the criticisms levelled against this forum are true - it isn't about openly and freely discussing anything at all, but exists only to satisfy the egos of a clique that has a very narrow opinion (and its no more than that) of what happened to Madeleine McCann. Sad, because I broadly agree with the clique

Certainly isn't and is baffled about why he was banned, are we not allowed to voice opinions that certain people don't agree with here? It was never like that before

Gaggzy wrote: [...]

If this bloke had a bit more hair on top, he'd look exactly like the e-fit on the right!

ShuBob wrote:

stargazer59 wrote:

AndyB wrote:

Justformaddie wrote:

AndyB wrote:

stargazer59 wrote:Can anyone please explain why WLBTS has been banned? he ahas asked on twitter because he does not know why, and has apologised for not being able to say goodbye

WTF!!??

That surely can't be true

It is

WBLTS was certainly not a troll and there wasn't any personal abuse so I fear that the criticisms levelled against this forum are true - it isn't about openly and freely discussing anything at all, but exists only to satisfy the egos of a clique that has a very narrow opinion (and its no more than that) of what happened to Madeleine McCann. Sad, because I broadly agree with the clique

Certainly isn't and is baffled about why he was banned, are we not allowed to voice opinions that certain people don't agree with here? It was never like that before

I just don't get what's happening.

It's a real shame.

stargazer59 wrote:

ShuBob wrote:

stargazer59 wrote:

AndyB wrote:

Justformaddie wrote:

AndyB wrote:

stargazer59 wrote:Can anyone please explain why WLBTS has been banned? he ahas asked on twitter because he does not know why, and has apologised for not being able to say goodbye

WTF!!??

That surely can't be true

It is

WBLTS was certainly not a troll and there wasn't any personal abuse so I fear that the criticisms levelled against this forum are true - it isn't about openly and freely discussing anything at all, but exists only to satisfy the egos of a clique that has a very narrow opinion (and its no more than that) of what happened to Madeleine McCann. Sad, because I broadly agree with the clique

Certainly isn't and is baffled about why he was banned, are we not allowed to voice opinions that certain people don't agree with here? It was never like that before

I just don't get what's happening.

It's a real shame.

Ditto, it has been a long road for those of us who were on Mirror forum, 3As (yes i remember you :) ) but now??? Its about personalities , very sad

TheTruthWillOut wrote:

Tony Bennett wrote:

elasticandy wrote:

Can you explain how does a conspiracy between Rebekah Brooks, David Cameron and the McCann Team work?    

Yes

*Shakes head* Picard facepalm etc....

PM your theory to someone that can post it, maybe?

HelenMeg wrote:
Its a little depressing here tonight - missing the optimism.

Bishop Brennan wrote:

endgame wrote:
I'm only setting out the possible implications of what Rui Pereira says. What he concludes by saying is this

"Moreover, if the process[investigation] had not been reopened in our country, the cooperation would be impossible, under the Article 8º of that same law.

This legal impossibility leads us to a truly inconvenient final question: since the international judicial cooperation is impossible when there has been a court acquittal or when a process is archived, is it possible that the reopening of the process had only the (deviant) purpose to enable the cooperation and place the police Portuguese "“at the service” of the British authorities?"

If it is true, then this casts a whole new light on things. In the UK we know that RB used "persuasion" on DC to start the review.  If Pereira is correct, it sounds as though (diplomatic?) pressure was then put on the PJ to reopen in order to enable SY to operate (via ILRs) in Portugal.

One devastating implication is that this may mean that there is no second Portuguese investigation.  That the reason we have heard nothing is not because they are keeping it secret, but rather that nothing is happening.  

It also means that TextUSA's central theme (that SY are desperate to find out what the PJ are up to) is incorrect.  In fact SY are just plodding along doing their thing - getting nowhere - but making sure DC doesn't get embarrassed.  Perhaps that's why they have had to put on such a big and public show.  DC has invested a lot of money by bankrolling Team McCann.  His advisors probably now realise that it was (another) big misjudgement - but they will protect him.

That's explains also perhaps why the McCanns are a bit out of sorts.  The goal is to protect DC - not them.  Hence all the cadaver dogs, talk of Maddie being dead, digs etc - because they show that AR is "making progress" - and that DC's generous gesture has been given a real good go.

It doesn't rule out that SY eventually go after the McCanns, but it's very unlikely.  DC is on Team McCann - if they turn out to be guilty, then he's going to look like a complete @rse.

Bishop Brennan wrote:

HelenMeg wrote:
Its a little depressing here tonight - missing the optimism.

It's all part of the roller-coaster of emotions that makes this case so unique!  Sometimes we get a real dip (Pereira's statement today). Sometimes we get a massive burst of hope and enthusiasm (cadaver dogs back in town).  Sometimes it's drama - red cards being issued and outrage from friends.   Sometimes it's suspense - court days in Faro.  

But it's all good.  It's what keeps us all coming back (assuming we don't pick up a redder that is!     )     And there are plenty more twists and turns, highs and lows to go. So buckle up, and let's see what tomorrow brings.

ShuBob wrote:Stargazer, where you on the Sun forum as well   

Looking back at those early forums, it was clear that many people- and they were many- were suspicious of the couple right from the very beginning.

SchrodingersBody wrote:Rebekah works the bloke so called running the country into opening up a review of the case. A review that would be a few extra slaps of whitewash to protect the big conspiracy by exposing it in the papers and making a big song and dance over reviewing it. Gerry works Rebekah into opening a review on his behalf that he doesn't really want. simples.
Despite the quite legitimate police methodologies put forward, Redwood hasn't spoken to the parents, not because he only gets the one chance, but because he's under secret orders not to.
Apparently the Portugese are only co-operating because they are subservient to Britain, and how exactly have "we" coerced them into this position ? Have the secret boys threatened to stop easyjet flying there unless they help Andy ?

As I've said before, who should be charged, with what, and how do you make it stick? That's the fundamental question at the bottom of this. If you've got that answer, then you can start showing how it's been covered up, then and only then you may convince me it's all a big cover up. Belligerent condescending type in fancy colours won't do it.

Nobody with any knowledge and sense doubts one bit that the dogs were absolutely right first time, but you can't lock people up just because you know at least one of them did something bad, you have to make a case. The dogs, the partial DNA, the hire car all fit the burden of proof required to post on forums that "I think they did something,they're hiding something", but they do not fit the required burden of proof of the Portugese justice system. Child neglect, cant even be proven in Portugal because of the way the law is worded. If the situation is as described, and the Portugese are not really helping beyond lip service, then I'd suggest it is related to their tiredness with the case. They think it's not going to be solved. Having somebody else suggest they need to double check your work is going to put anybody's nose out of joint. Doesn't mean animosity, I'm sure they'd love for the Met to solve it, be rid of the circus and welcome the return some of their tourist trade. I don't think we're dealign with internation incidents and conspiracies, you're dealing with tiredness and frustration. A lot of the animosity around this case comes from frustration that it still goes on.

Gaggzy wrote:

If this bloke had a bit more hair on top, he'd look exactly like the e-fit on the right!

Woofer wrote:Its surely not true that WLBTS has been banned - he`d done nothing wrong - what`s going on?

Have noticed that in the last few weeks there have been several lurkers who have now suddenly found very strong voices.

Woofer wrote:Its surely not true that WLBTS has been banned - he`d done nothing wrong - what`s going on?

Have noticed that in the last few weeks there have been several lurkers who have now suddenly found very strong voices.

Cristobell wrote:
Firstly BB, I agree with many of your points, and indeed have done a post along similar lines.

However, the last line is not a given.  DC's hand thus far are clean.  He has done no more than look at the case sympathetically and (believing the McCanns had much public support) gave the go ahead for an Official Review.  Any white collar crimes were committed under the previous administration.  Why should he take the blame for the sins of Labour, especially in the lead up to a General Election. 

The result of the Review and the Investigation will be the time to judge the actions of David Cameron.  If the real perpetrators are brought to justice, DC will become a hero, if the investigation ends without any charges, he will be an incompetent fool in the eyes of the world, and Portugal will have been done over by the McCanns TWICE!

The people of PDL seem to have made up their minds this is a cover up, they don't appear to have been re-questions by the PJ, and there is no outrage in Portugal as to the cost of the 'new' investigation, which I find strange.  The people of PDL spoke out with the largely writ graffiti, but afaik, no Portuguese newspapers have taken up any protests about the costs of the new investigation to the Portuguese taxpayers.  Is it being funded by the UK?  When is someone (in the Houses of Parliament at least) going to ask what is going on? The dogs have spoken, the apartment has spoken, the stories don't match up, the circumstances are impossible, everyone who has ever been to the Algarve in the last 8 years has been interviewed, yet it appears that the 9 people who had means, motive and opportunity are to walk away with no questions asked.   If David Cameron opts to wipe their slates, that is what history will remember him for.

sofieellis wrote:

Woofer wrote:Its surely not true that WLBTS has been banned - he`d done nothing wrong - what`s going on?

Have noticed that in the last few weeks there have been several lurkers who have now suddenly found very strong voices.

And once again, someone has a go at new/ish posters. I don't understand how this is acceptable? How long does someone have to be a member before they are allowed to post their opinions?

Talk about ostracising people!

ETA: I can't understand why WLBTS has been banned either - it seems bizarre to me.

sofieellis wrote:

Woofer wrote:Its surely not true that WLBTS has been banned - he`d done nothing wrong - what`s going on?

Have noticed that in the last few weeks there have been several lurkers who have now suddenly found very strong voices.

And once again, someone has a go at new/ish posters. I don't understand how this is acceptable? How long does someone have to be a member before they are allowed to post their opinions?

Talk about ostracising people!

ETA: I can't understand why WLBTS has been banned either - it seems bizarre to me.

plebgate wrote:

elasticandy wrote:

TheTruthWillOut wrote:The Telegraph article is from August 2008.......

This 'shop' that SY want to search, could it be LUZDOC? The 24hr doctors, I guess. Right near the Smith sighting.

always been in my mind - doctors have oath of confidentiality - who knows who the mccanns knew at the practice IMO - makes an interesting hypothesis

If a child needed urgent medical attention and it was subsequently reported that the same child had been abudcted and this had been reported by her parents,  doctors would be obliged to contact the police and let them know.  

Medical confidentiality about a pateint is completely different to withholding information from the police  about a serious crime that has been committed.

edited lst line as was not clear originally.

Bishop Brennan wrote:

endgame wrote:
I'm only setting out the possible implications of what Rui Pereira says. What he concludes by saying is this

"Moreover, if the process[investigation] had not been reopened in our country, the cooperation would be impossible, under the Article 8º of that same law.

This legal impossibility leads us to a truly inconvenient final question: since the international judicial cooperation is impossible when there has been a court acquittal or when a process is archived, is it possible that the reopening of the process had only the (deviant) purpose to enable the cooperation and place the police Portuguese "“at the service” of the British authorities?"

If it is true, then this casts a whole new light on things. In the UK we know that RB used "persuasion" on DC to start the review.  If Pereira is correct, it sounds as though (diplomatic?) pressure was then put on the PJ to reopen in order to enable SY to operate (via ILRs) in Portugal.

One devastating implication is that this may mean that there is no second Portuguese investigation.  That the reason we have heard nothing is not because they are keeping it secret, but rather that nothing is happening.  

It also means that TextUSA's central theme (that SY are desperate to find out what the PJ are up to) is incorrect.  In fact SY are just plodding along doing their thing - getting nowhere - but making sure DC doesn't get embarrassed.  Perhaps that's why they have had to put on such a big and public show.  DC has invested a lot of money by bankrolling Team McCann.  His advisors probably now realise that it was (another) big misjudgement - but they will protect him.

That's explains also perhaps why the McCanns are a bit out of sorts.  The goal is to protect DC - not them.  Hence all the cadaver dogs, talk of Maddie being dead, digs etc - because they show that AR is "making progress" - and that DC's generous gesture has been given a real good go.

It doesn't rule out that SY eventually go after the McCanns, but it's very unlikely.  DC is on Team McCann - if they turn out to be guilty, then he's going to look like a complete @rse.

sofieellis wrote:

Woofer wrote:Its surely not true that WLBTS has been banned - he`d done nothing wrong - what`s going on?

Have noticed that in the last few weeks there have been several lurkers who have now suddenly found very strong voices.

And once again, someone has a go at new/ish posters. I don't understand how this is acceptable? How long does someone have to be a member before they are allowed to post their opinions?

Talk about ostracising people!

ETA: I can't understand why WLBTS has been banned either - it seems bizarre to me.