Breaking News on Sky News - SY back in PDL suspects to be interviewed

elasticandy wrote:

Can you explain how does a conspiracy between Rebekah Brooks, David Cameron and the McCann Team work?    

Yes

NickE wrote:

PdL,Outside the bank,near the church.

Amending road signs?

Tut, tut

Tony Bennett wrote:

elasticandy wrote:

Can you explain how does a conspiracy between Rebekah Brooks, David Cameron and the McCann Team work?    

Yes

*Shakes head* Picard facepalm etc....

PM your theory to someone that can post it, maybe?

Tony Bennett wrote:Amending road signs?

Tut, tut

Shocking!   

"Nana" been doing a Banksy?

endgame wrote:
I'm only setting out the possible implications of what Rui Pereira says. What he concludes by saying is this

"Moreover, if the process[investigation] had not been reopened in our country, the cooperation would be impossible, under the Article 8º of that same law.

This legal impossibility leads us to a truly inconvenient final question: since the international judicial cooperation is impossible when there has been a court acquittal or when a process is archived, is it possible that the reopening of the process had only the (deviant) purpose to enable the cooperation and place the police Portuguese "“at the service” of the British authorities?"

If it is true, then this casts a whole new light on things. In the UK we know that RB used "persuasion" on DC to start the review.  If Pereira is correct, it sounds as though (diplomatic?) pressure was then put on the PJ to reopen in order to enable SY to operate (via ILRs) in Portugal.

One devastating implication is that this may mean that there is no second Portuguese investigation.  That the reason we have heard nothing is not because they are keeping it secret, but rather that nothing is happening.  

It also means that TextUSA's central theme (that SY are desperate to find out what the PJ are up to) is incorrect.  In fact SY are just plodding along doing their thing - getting nowhere - but making sure DC doesn't get embarrassed.  Perhaps that's why they have had to put on such a big and public show.  DC has invested a lot of money by bankrolling Team McCann.  His advisors probably now realise that it was (another) big misjudgement - but they will protect him.

That's explains also perhaps why the McCanns are a bit out of sorts.  The goal is to protect DC - not them.  Hence all the cadaver dogs, talk of Maddie being dead, digs etc - because they show that AR is "making progress" - and that DC's generous gesture has been given a real good go.

It doesn't rule out that SY eventually go after the McCanns, but it's very unlikely.  DC is on Team McCann - if they turn out to be guilty, then he's going to look like a complete @rse.

Tony Bennett wrote:

elasticandy wrote:

Can you explain how does a conspiracy between Rebekah Brooks, David Cameron and the McCann Team work?    

Yes

and... we wait

DC has already made himself look an arse in the public eye when he "opined" his view on a couple of cases before the verdicts were read out , very soon he will have to answer to the British Tax Payer how he sat and watched this circus gone on when the gruesome twosome and the Tapas7 and the mccanns  "spokesman" is in front of a Judge to answer what really happened 7 years ago .   

Bishop Brennan wrote:

endgame wrote:
I'm only setting out the possible implications of what Rui Pereira says. What he concludes by saying is this

"Moreover, if the process[investigation] had not been reopened in our country, the cooperation would be impossible, under the Article 8º of that same law.

This legal impossibility leads us to a truly inconvenient final question: since the international judicial cooperation is impossible when there has been a court acquittal or when a process is archived, is it possible that the reopening of the process had only the (deviant) purpose to enable the cooperation and place the police Portuguese "“at the service” of the British authorities?"

If it is true, then this casts a whole new light on things. In the UK we know that RB used "persuasion" on DC to start the review.  If Pereira is correct, it sounds as though (diplomatic?) pressure was then put on the PJ to reopen in order to enable SY to operate (via ILRs) in Portugal.

One devastating implication is that this may mean that there is no second Portuguese investigation.  That the reason we have heard nothing is not because they are keeping it secret, but rather that nothing is happening.  

It also means that TextUSA's central theme (that SY are desperate to find out what the PJ are up to) is incorrect.  In fact SY are just plodding along doing their thing - getting nowhere - but making sure DC doesn't get embarrassed.  Perhaps that's why they have had to put on such a big and public show.  DC has invested a lot of money by bankrolling Team McCann.  His advisors probably now realise that it was (another) big misjudgement - but they will protect him.

That's explains also perhaps why the McCanns are a bit out of sorts.  The goal is to protect DC - not them.  Hence all the cadaver dogs, talk of Maddie being dead, digs etc - because they show that AR is "making progress" - and that DC's generous gesture has been given a real good go.

It doesn't rule out that SY eventually go after the McCanns, but it's very unlikely.  DC is on Team McCann - if they turn out to be guilty, then he's going to look like a complete @rse.

I dont see it that way you dont neeed Clarence to enable the story to be spun as a win for DC either way.

As for Tonys comments after 7 years the whole investigation was going nowhere Redwood is slowly painstakingly demolishing every other option ever mentioned, when he gets to the end if there are no other options open then and only then will there be a review of the case with the only option left being the one that was on the table 7 years ago.. For SY to have done so now without OC was madness it would still have needed to be done to ensure any forward movement  from 7 years ago.

elasticandy wrote:

Tony Bennett wrote:

elasticandy wrote:

Can you explain how does a conspiracy between Rebekah Brooks, David Cameron and the McCann Team work?    

Yes

and... we wait

Then have some patience. Anyway you know full well the position Tony is in, so please do not pester.

endgame wrote:

Baldrick wrote:

Seek truth wrote:Anybody read this ? In the sun:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/5732353/Portugal-MP-Rui-Pereira-Hunt-for-Maddie-absurd.html

This is said by the MP.
And Amaral says all this being done now is irrelevant.!

Was in the paper today

I cant get the whole story without subscribing. Does anyone get the Sun online?

The significance of the Rui Pereira article quoted fully by Joanna Morais is that it effectively debunks the idea that a genuine Portuguese investigation is taking place - something that many posters here cling to as an article of faith and a source of hope. He says that the reopening of the case was a mere device to get round the fact that under Portuguese law assistance could not be provided to SY without the reopening of the case. This was done out of a culture of gutless subservience to accommodate SY and not because the Portuguese actually wanted to reopen the case. It was a technical, notional reopening. Even so, he appears to claim that the offering of support to SY is still illegal and the law has been bent to allow this.

As I have said before on the forum, there are many ways of looking at and interpreting events in the case which do not fall neatly into either whitewash or McCann trap. When  it all emerges there may yet be explanations that no one has yet considered possible. This is one of them.

That is alarming Endgame, and something I had not considered.  I always thought the PJ were carrying out a genuine investigation, not merely assisting Scotland Yard.  We cannot discard it, because it has come from a high ranking Portuguese official.  It seems to prove that what Goncalo and Joana have been saying is correct.  The graffiti on the wall in PDL during the digs may have been an angry retort by someone in the know. 

To put a counter argument to myself, I still struggle how so many people could be complicit in such a  such a huge scam, but the lengths to which Scotland Yard are going to find someone (anyone) have gone way past the realms of ridiculous. 

A very important point was made on another thread (Urhagen ?), that although Scotland Yard appear to be ticking boxes, the fact that they even have to do this, shows they have nothing substantial with which to bring a prosecution.  That's not good news.  Of course we all know they will never find something substantial while they look away from the McCanns as there is no abductor.

On a positive note, the police have been seen looking for a body in the vicinity of 5A and DCI Redwood has suggested death in the apartment - those truths cannot be put back in the jar, they are out there and they are the kiss of death to any future libel actions the parents may have had lined up.  SY have eliminated the massive red herring Tannerman, and focused the search on efits that look like Gerry.  All further complications if a whitewash were the goal. 

I wish I could be positive one way or the other!  As we reach the precipice it could still go either way.  Seven years on, the media remain pro McCann (or so it seems) and Scotland Yard appear to be working as hired hands for the parents, I hope the latter part at least is smoke and mirrors.

I really don't know if I trust DCI Redwood or not, as others have said he is probably a Master card player, he gives absolutely nothing away, which is quite unnerving - and Kate and Gerry even looked unnerved as the 3 of them sat beneath the giant portrait of Gerry.  They didn't look anything like a couple protected by the strong arm of the law and there was no sign of the chummy relationship they had with JG.   

If it is true that the PJ are not conducting their own investigation, then it could prove a death blow for justice in this case.  From what we have seen, the PJ have been dormant, in that the only witness they appear to have interviewed was the widow of the tractor driver.  Of course it could also be that they are far more discreet than Scotland Yard, or they are simply satisfied that they do not need to continue looking for an abductor.  Possibly they have reached their conclusions and are simply waiting for SY to catch up.

Can anyone please explain why WLBTS has been banned? he ahas asked on twitter because he does not know why, and has apologised for not being able to say goodbye

This is certainly unwelcome news to me. I will make enquiries.

elasticandy wrote:

Tony Bennett wrote:

elasticandy wrote:

Can you explain how does a conspiracy between Rebekah Brooks, David Cameron and the McCann Team work?    

Yes

and... we wait

This doesn't explain the conspiracy that you ask about but it might start to put you on the right track

http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/madeleine-mccann-kray-twins-margaret.html

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:This is certainly unwelcome news to me. I will make enquiries.

Thank you x

stargazer59 wrote:Can anyone please explain why WLBTS has been banned? he ahas asked on twitter because he does not know why, and has apologised for not being able to say goodbye

WTF!!??

That surely can't be true

AndyB wrote:

stargazer59 wrote:Can anyone please explain why WLBTS has been banned? he ahas asked on twitter because he does not know why, and has apologised for not being able to say goodbye

WTF!!??

That surely can't be true

It is

If this bloke had a bit more hair on top, he'd look exactly like the e-fit on the right!

Rebekah works the bloke so called running the country into opening up a review of the case. A review that would be a few extra slaps of whitewash to protect the big conspiracy by exposing it in the papers and making a big song and dance over reviewing it. Gerry works Rebekah into opening a review on his behalf that he doesn't really want. simples.
Despite the quite legitimate police methodologies put forward, Redwood hasn't spoken to the parents, not because he only gets the one chance, but because he's under secret orders not to.
Apparently the Portugese are only co-operating because they are subservient to Britain, and how exactly have "we" coerced them into this position ? Have the secret boys threatened to stop easyjet flying there unless they help Andy ?

As I've said before, who should be charged, with what, and how do you make it stick? That's the fundamental question at the bottom of this. If you've got that answer, then you can start showing how it's been covered up, then and only then you may convince me it's all a big cover up. Belligerent condescending type in fancy colours won't do it.

Nobody with any knowledge and sense doubts one bit that the dogs were absolutely right first time, but you can't lock people up just because you know at least one of them did something bad, you have to make a case. The dogs, the partial DNA, the hire car all fit the burden of proof required to post on forums that "I think they did something,they're hiding something", but they do not fit the required burden of proof of the Portugese justice system. Child neglect, cant even be proven in Portugal because of the way the law is worded. If the situation is as described, and the Portugese are not really helping beyond lip service, then I'd suggest it is related to their tiredness with the case. They think it's not going to be solved. Having somebody else suggest they need to double check your work is going to put anybody's nose out of joint. Doesn't mean animosity, I'm sure they'd love for the Met to solve it, be rid of the circus and welcome the return some of their tourist trade. I don't think we're dealign with internation incidents and conspiracies, you're dealing with tiredness and frustration. A lot of the animosity around this case comes from frustration that it still goes on.

candyfloss wrote:

elasticandy wrote:

Tony Bennett wrote:

elasticandy wrote:

Can you explain how does a conspiracy between Rebekah Brooks, David Cameron and the McCann Team work?    

Yes

and... we wait

Then have some patience.  Anyway you know full well the position Tony is in, so please do not pester.

sorry but that is outrageous basically this forum is Tony's forum - i quit -  no interest in the truth but pleasuring TB

Justformaddie wrote:

AndyB wrote:

stargazer59 wrote:Can anyone please explain why WLBTS has been banned? he ahas asked on twitter because he does not know why, and has apologised for not being able to say goodbye

WTF!!??

That surely can't be true

It is

WLBTS was certainly not a troll and there wasn't any personal abuse so I fear that the criticisms levelled against this forum are true - it isn't about openly and freely discussing anything at all, but exists only to satisfy the egos of a clique that has a very narrow opinion (and its no more than that) of what happened to Madeleine McCann. Sad, because I broadly agree with the clique

Re WLBTS: please wait until I have more information.

I have not as yet found out who banned him and why.

AndyB wrote:

Justformaddie wrote:

AndyB wrote:

stargazer59 wrote:Can anyone please explain why WLBTS has been banned? he ahas asked on twitter because he does not know why, and has apologised for not being able to say goodbye

WTF!!??

That surely can't be true

It is

WBLTS was certainly not a troll and there wasn't any personal abuse so I fear that the criticisms levelled against this forum are true - it isn't about openly and freely discussing anything at all, but exists only to satisfy the egos of a clique that has a very narrow opinion (and its no more than that) of what happened to Madeleine McCann. Sad, because I broadly agree with the clique

Certainly isn't and is baffled about why he was banned, are we not allowed to voice opinions that certain people don't agree with here? It was never like that before

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Re WLBTS: please wait until I have more information.

I have not as yet found out who banned him and why.

Well it was not me NFWTD.

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Re WLBTS: please wait until I have more information.

I have not as yet found out who banned him and why.

I am talking to him on twitter so please let me know, thank you

Gaggzy wrote:

If this bloke had a bit more hair on top, he'd look exactly like the e-fit on the right!

He might have had 6 or 7 years ago.