Re: CRIMEWATCH Update on MadeleineMcCann case tonight 19th March

by **PeterMac** 19.03.14 13:19

And having ruled out Tannerman, Redwood has now ruled out Smithman.
Wrong T shirt.
So yet again he has told the world there was no abduction.

by Okeydokey 19.03.14 13:20

tiny wrote:Oh dear.

martinbrunt ‏@skymartinbrunt 43m
#Madeleine Scot Yard detectives appeal for info on previous abduction attempts in Algarve before Madeleine McCann vanished in 2007

Er - how long have they been working on this case? Only now do they get round to making such an appeal? Hmm...

by Doug D 19.03.14 13:21

This has just been added to the Met Police Press page following the press briefing:

Adding to the statement issued earlier today, DCI Andy Redwood said at the subsequent media briefing:

“In six of the 12 potentially linked offences the suspect either sat or lay on the bed, before committing the sexual assault in four of those cases (where there were five actual victims). In nine of the 12 cases there was no forced entry or stolen property; and where there was it was minimal.   “Nine of these offences were reported to police at the time (including the four where there had been a sexual assault); two were reported to a holiday rep and then subsequently to the authorities back in the UK; and one was not reported at the time.   “In terms of the ongoing investigation, we have submitted three International Letters of Requests (ILORs) to date, consisting of 41 priority areas of work, which in turn contain 287 separate requests. There will be further ILORs to come to ensure that we bring our complete investigation to the Portuguese and they include our multiple priority lines of inquiry.  “We have also submitted 30 ILORs to other countries to assist our inquiries. The team has taken over 500 statements and the process itself has raised 5569 actions.  “Within the investigation we have identified 60 persons of interest, of which we have been able to discount 22. We are still working on the remaining 38, which are at various stages of completion.  “In addition to persons of interest we are aware of 530 sex offenders from the UK and elsewhere whose whereabouts are unaccounted for. These have been broken down into high, medium and low priority. 59 are currently considered high priority; and some of those have also been declared persons of interest.  “There have been 26 visits to Portugal at both a strategic and tactical level; and officers have travelled to and worked with the authorities from Spain, Belgium, Jersey, Switzerland, Holland and Germany; as well as colleagues from across the UK.”  

I think my previously stated 'ray of hope' about eliminating everybody else in order to eventually 'prove the circumstantial' can be discarded, because with these figures it's never going to happen, not in our lifetimes anyway.

by gbwales 19.03.14 13:22

The piece on BBC news was an utter disgrace - They completely slagged off the PJ, saying it was only SY that had caused things to pick up in the investigation.
Am heading towards an anger-stroke if this keeps up.

Although hilariously Andy Redwood described his own hair and voice when describing their 'suspect'.

Incidentally - whilst we know it's NOT a significant new lead, it may be another case of having to eliminate individuals (I'd think it would be quicker to just start with the actual facts and evidence, but hey let's be generous here...)
And Redwood's quotes in The Guardian (Source would be PA for this) - actually come over a lot more nuanced and, if you read this bit carefully, quite intriguing...

"While I completely accept that there are differences (between the break-ins and the McCann case), there is no abduction that we can see, but the assumption from that is that Madeleine McCann has been abducted. That may not necessarily follow with all our thinking about what may have become of Madeleine McCann.
"It is really critical for us to identify this offender and prove or disprove whether he was involved in Madeleine's disappearance."

by SixMillionQuid 19.03.14 13:22

The MET's interactive map.

https://www.thinglink.com/scene/502807952751591426

Hover your mouse pointer over points of information and this will help you find the swarthy, smelly, nationalist, racist potential abductor who only likes English girls.

by Okeydokey 19.03.14 13:23

Andrew77R wrote:The garbage about 'police seeking intruder who sexually assaulted girls between 2004-06' is on the BBC news website now.

The BBC has to operate to certain standards of truthfulness. They will need to be careful.

by jeanmonroe 19.03.14 13:26

This is, from DCI Redwood, a 'sheer panic, rabbit caught in the headlights' response to GA interview.

He's absolutely 'cacking his pants' that GA is one person he CANNOT 'control'

He is 'cacking his pants' that a foreign 'whistle blower' (current, EX PJ?) will expose his, and the corrupt ridden Met's, utter incompetence/non cooperation in this hugely expensive, taxpayer funded, 'investigation'

All , imo, obviously.

by Mirage 19.03.14 13:26

Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,
Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.
And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.
And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood.
And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in.
Wherefore that field was called, The field of blood, unto this day.

by Okeydokey 19.03.14 13:31

What can one say? It's taken three years for them to put this info together? Are they claiming that none of these families ever contacted the UK Police back in 2007 following the unprecedented publicity about the case? Or if they did, are they claiming the UK Police hung on to the info and never passed it on to the PJ? Either is incomprehensible.

If we had a UK media worth anything at all they would ask the Met some searching questions about these alleged incidents.

by AndyB 19.03.14 13:34

Okeydokey wrote:
Andrew77R wrote:The garbage about 'police seeking intruder who sexually assaulted girls between 2004-06' is on the BBC news website now.

The BBC has to operate to certain standards of truthfulness. They will need to be careful.

They certainly should operate to certain standards of truthfulness (as well as impartiality and balance) but I see no evidence of it in their coverage of the McCann case. What do they need to be careful of?

by ultimaThule 19.03.14 13:36

My own 'revelation' having taken the form of being shown a 'bigger picture' I intend to keep the faith until at least 13 May of this year.

Should no 'breakthrough'' have occurred by that date, I will have to < hoikes bosoms > take myself along to Belgravia Police Station and give that Andy Redwood a piece of my miind.

That should move things along... big grin

by suzyjohnson 19.03.14 13:37

BREAKING NEWS: Madeleine McCann police hunt 'lone intruder who sexually abused five British girls at holiday homes in the Algarve between 2004 to 2010'

Dramatic new breakthrough in seven-year search for snatched toddler
Hunt for man who broke into holiday homes and abused five British girls
A tanned, dark-haired man suspected of child sex assaults from 2004-2006
The suspect was wearing a distinctive burgundy top with a white circle
Madeleine McCann, aged three, was taken from Praia da Luz in May 2007
Police say paedophile is suspected of committing 12 break-ins in Algarve
Four were in Carvoeiro, six in the Vale da Parra, and two in Praia da Luz

By HARRIET ARKELL
PUBLISHED: 11:32, 19 March 2014 | UPDATED: 13:05, 19 March 2014

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Sensational breakthrough: Police are looking for a man who sexually abused young British girls in the resort where Madeleine McCann went missing in 2007
Police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann are looking for a prolific paedophile who sexually abused five girls at holiday homes in the Algarve before the British toddler went missing.
British detectives announced their astonishing breakthrough today as it emerged three of the reports linked to the same man were only reported to them after they launched a fresh appeal for information last October.

The tanned, dark-haired man is suspected of breaking into holiday properties where British families were staying and sexually abusing five white British girls aged between seven and 10, Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood said today.
The sex attacks took place between 2004-2006, shortly before Madeleine vanished in 2007, and are among a series of 12 break-ins to holiday homes in the Algarve that police believe were committed by the same man.
In six of the break-ins, the man sat on or got into bed with young girls. On one occasion, he abused two young girls in the same villa.
Two of the attacks were in the resort of Praia da Luz, where Madeleine was staying in a holiday apartment with her family when she was taken.
There were also four in Carvoeiro and six in the Vale da Parra, Praia da Gale district.

Most of the attacks took place in low season, police said.

They had previously been discounted by Portuguese investigators because they are spread over a wide geographical area and there were no apparent attempts at abduction.
Nine of the 12 incidents were reported to Portuguese police at the time they happened, and details of three of those became known to British investigators only after they made televised appeals last autumn.
Witnesses describe the man as having dark, tanned skin with short dark unkempt hair. He spoke in English with a foreign accent, his voice was described as slow, or possibly slurred.

He was sometimes bare chested, some describe him as having a pot belly, and three victims said that he had a noticeable odour.

On two occasions in Vale de Parra and Praia da Gale he was wearing a distinctive burgundy long sleeve top, on one of those occasions it was described as having a white circle on the back.
DCI Redwood said: 'This is an offender who has got a very, very unhealthy interest in young, white, female children whom he is attacking whilst they are on holiday in their beds.'
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New clue: Detectives on the Madeleine case say the man they are looking for wore a distinctive burgundy top

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Police said the suspect may have been in the villa or looking round the villa for some time before committing the offences or being disturbed either by a parent, or the child waking up, and said he remained calm, even when disturbed.
On two occasions, they said, the noise of a bin collection lorry could be heard nearby.
DCI Redwood said today that tracing the man is one of his priority lines of inquiry.
He said: 'We need to establish the identity of this man - these offences are very serious and no-one has been charged in connection with them.'

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Resort: Madeleine went missing from this holiday apartment at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz in May 2007

He said some of the offences were previously known about, but three of them, including what is believed to be the first in the series of 12 break-ins, were new reports to police and came about as a result of their appeal for more information last October.

Mr Redwood's team currently have 38 people classed as 'persons of interest' to the inquiry, and are also sifting through details of 530 known sex offenders whose whereabouts they cannot account for.
Of those 59 are classed as high priority, and some of those are British.
British investigators have so far sent three international letters of request to Portuguese authorities over the investigation, covering 41 priority areas for the team, involving 287 separate requests.

Deputy Assistant Commissioner Martin Hewitt showed his anger at the slow pace of the legal process, saying: 'That's causing us frustration because we know what we want to do and we are ready to go with that. But the process is the process.'

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Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann posed two years ago with a picture of how she might now look

Another 30 letters have been written to other European countries, but the force would not reveal where.
Madeleine, who was then nearly four, disappeared from her family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in the Algarve on May 3 2007 as her parents dined at a nearby restaurant with friends.

British detectives launched a fresh investigation into the youngster's disappearance in July last year - two years into a review of the case - and made renewed appeals on television in the UK, the Netherlands and Germany.

After shelving their inquiry into Madeleine's disappearance in 2008, Portuguese authorities said last October that a review had uncovered enough new information to justify reopening it.

by SixMillionQuid 19.03.14 13:38

Okeydokey wrote:What can one say? It's taken three years for them to put this info together? Are they claiming that none of these families ever contacted the UK Police back in 2007 following the unprecedented publicity about the case? Or if they did, are they claiming the UK Police hung on to the info and never passed it on to the PJ? Either is incomprehensible.

If we had a UK media worth anything at all they would ask the Met some searching questions about these alleged incidents.

They're excuse is that all of this new info came from their appeal last October. But if I remember correctly they were only looking for the man carrying the child towards the beach and the men hanging around the apartments. This new guy person seems to have been created from a puff of smoke.

by tasprin 19.03.14 13:42

Doug D wrote:This has just been added to the Met Police Press page following the press briefing:

Adding to the statement issued earlier today, DCI Andy Redwood said at the subsequent media briefing:

“In six of the 12 potentially linked offences the suspect either sat or lay on the bed, before committing the sexual assault in four of those cases (where there were five actual victims). In nine of the 12 cases there was no forced entry or stolen property; and where there was it was minimal.   “Nine of these offences were reported to police at the time (including the four where there had been a sexual assault); two were reported to a holiday rep and then subsequently to the authorities back in the UK; and one was not reported at the time.    “In terms of the ongoing investigation, we have submitted three International Letters of Requests (ILORs) to date, consisting of 41 priority areas of work, which in turn contain 287 separate requests. There will be further ILORs to come to ensure that we bring our complete investigation to the Portuguese and they include our multiple priority lines of inquiry.  “We have also submitted 30 ILORs to other countries to assist our inquiries. The team has taken over 500 statements and the process itself has raised 5569 actions.  “Within the investigation we have identified 60 persons of interest, of which we have been able to discount 22. We are still working on the remaining 38, which are at various stages of completion.  “In addition to persons of interest we are aware of 530 sex offenders from the UK and elsewhere whose whereabouts are unaccounted for. These have been broken down into high, medium and low priority. 59 are currently considered high priority; and some of those have also been declared persons of interest.  “There have been 26 visits to Portugal at both a strategic and tactical level; and officers have travelled to and worked with the authorities from Spain, Belgium, Jersey, Switzerland, Holland and Germany; as well as colleagues from across the UK.”  

I think my previously stated 'ray of hope' about eliminating everybody else in order to eventually 'prove the circumstantial' can be discarded, because with these figures it's never going to happen, not in our lifetimes anyway.

Sounds like Team McCann - running the PJ ragged with false leads..

by jeanmonroe 19.03.14 13:43

There have been 26 visits to Portugal at both a strategic and tactical level; and officers have travelled to and worked with the authorities from Spain, Belgium, Jersey, Switzerland, Holland and Germany; as well as colleagues from across the UK.”
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SO, SIX more 'visits' to Portugal, since the Groovy 'gang' last pitched up for their pizzas!

Have 'travelled' to SEVEN 'foreign' countries!

Officers have 'worked with colleagues' from across the UK.

Hope they worked with the Assistant Chief Constable of Leicestershire Police who wrote: “While one or both of them (McCanns) may be innocent, there is no clear evidence that eliminates them from involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance”.

Who said 'a policemans lot is not a happy one'?

All that foreign 'travel/air miles' at taxpayers 'expense'?

HAPPY DAYS,, I'D SAY!

by gbwales 19.03.14 13:44

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Loving the shirt. Reminds me of the Mysterons. Can we name this new dead-end "Mysteron Man" please?

by **Tony Bennett** 19.03.14 13:45

Doug D wrote:This has just been added to the Met Police Press page following the press briefing:

Adding to the statement issued earlier today, DCI Andy Redwood said at the subsequent media briefing:

“In six of the 12 potentially linked offences the suspect either sat or lay on the bed, before committing the sexual assault in four of those cases (where there were five actual victims). In nine of the 12 cases there was no forced entry or stolen property; and where there was it was minimal.   “Nine of these offences were reported to police at the time (including the four where there had been a sexual assault); two were reported to a holiday rep and then subsequently to the authorities back in the UK; and one was not reported at the time.   “In terms of the ongoing investigation,

1. we have submitted three International Letters of Requests (ILORs) to date,

2. consisting of 41 priority areas of work,

3. which in turn contain 287 separate requests.

4. There will be further ILORs to come to ensure that we bring our complete investigation to the Portuguese

5. and they include our multiple priority lines of inquiry.  

6. We have also submitted 30 ILORs to other countries to assist our inquiries.

7. The team has taken over 500 statements

8. and the process itself has raised 5,569 actions.  

9. Within the investigation we have identified 60 persons of interest,

10. of which we have been able to discount 22.

11. We are still working on the remaining 38,

12. which are at various stages of completion.  

13. In addition to persons of interest we are aware of 530 sex offenders from the UK and elsewhere whose whereabouts are
unaccounted for.

14. These have been broken down into high, medium and low priority.

15. 59 are currently considered high priority; and some of those have also been declared persons of interest.  

16. There have been 26 visits to Portugal at both a strategic and tactical level;

17. and officers have travelled to and worked with the authorities from Spain,

18. Belgium,

19, Jersey,

20. Switzerland,

21. Holland

22. and Germany;

23. as well as colleagues from across the UK.  

I think my previously stated 'ray of hope' about eliminating everybody else in order to eventually 'prove the circumstantial' can be discarded, because with these figures it's never going to happen, not in our lifetimes anyway.

"JUST LOOK AT THE STATS!

THIS JUST PROVES THAT MY ENQUIRY IS GENUIINE" - D.C.I. Andy Redwood

by ultimaThule 19.03.14 13:46

AndyB wrote:
Okeydokey wrote:
Andrew77R wrote:The garbage about 'police seeking intruder who sexually assaulted girls between 2004-06' is on the BBC news website now.

The BBC has to operate to certain standards of truthfulness. They will need to be careful.
They certainly should operate to certain standards of truthfulness (as well as impartiality and balance) but I see no evidence of it in their coverage of the McCann case. What do they need to be careful of?

When making a comparison of what has been published in the Portuguese press and aired on Portugal's various tv channels and what has been put before the public in the UK, it can be seen that in one of these two countries, were the parents found to be complicit in crime(s) against their daughter, they may have cause to claim that they could not be fairly tried because of the content in the media's coverage of the case.

by Mirage 19.03.14 13:46

Today's Daily Mail:

Yard corruption probe files destroyed in 2 days': Fury at 'mass shredding' of documents linked to Lawrence

Large quantities of evidence relating to possible corruption in the Met Police were destroyed over 48 hour period in 2003, it emerged today

Barrister Mark Ellison, who reviewed police investigation into murder of black teenager, said hard copies of documents were missing

A source told the BBC that a 'lorry load' of files, videos and photographs had been systematically shredded

Met Police said today 'a number of documents were shredded' in 2003, and that they were working to find out 'exactly what happened'

Stephen Lawrence, 18, was stabbed to death in south-east London in April 1993 by gang of white youths shouting racist abuse

It was suggested that the handling of the case by the Met was tainted by 'institutional racism.

: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2583458/Scotland-Yard-spent-two-days-shredding-lorry-load-papers-relating-inquiry-police-corruption-Stephen-Lawrence-murder-investigation.html#ixzz2wPoWK5UU

Reason No 2 for burying bad news. First Goncalo then this. No wonder Andy looks like he did on BBC.

One thing I notice is the serenity of GA. There's nothing like peace of mind. Something money can't buy, not even an enormous fund.

by gbwales 19.03.14 13:48

Mirage wrote:
One thing I notice is the serenity of GA. There's nothing like peace of mind. Something money can't buy, not even an enormous fund.

by jeanmonroe 19.03.14 13:53

There will be further ILORs to come to ensure that we bring our complete investigation to the Portuguese and they include our multiple priority lines of inquiry
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AND THERE YOU HAVE IT, FROM SY/MET, IN ONE SENTENCE!

"TO ENSURE ...................THEY 'INCLUDE' OUR PRIORITY LINES OF INQUIRY."

THE MAIN ONE OF WHICH IS:

"ABDUCTION, ABDUCTION, AND ABDUCTION, ONLY ABDUCTION, because our 'clients, the McCanns, TOLD us THAT is what 'HAPPENED'

by ultimaThule 19.03.14 13:53

gbwales wrote:

Loving the shirt. Reminds me of the Mysterons. Can we name this new dead-end "Mysteron Man" please?

It looks more like 'bulls-eye' man to me, gb, and this latest 'suspect' is just another bullshit target like all the others NSY are engaged in eliminating from the murder investigation known as Operation Grange.

by **Tony Bennett** 19.03.14 13:59

Mirage wrote:Today's Daily Mail:

Yard corruption probe files destroyed in 2 days': Fury at 'mass shredding' of documents linked to Lawrence

Large quantities of evidence relating to possible corruption in the Met Police were destroyed over 48 hour period in 2003, it emerged today

Barrister Mark Ellison, who reviewed police investigation into murder of black teenager, said hard copies of documents were missing

A source told the BBC that a 'lorry load' of files, videos and photographs had been systematically shredded

Met Police said today 'a number of documents were shredded' in 2003, and that they were working to find out 'exactly what happened'

Stephen Lawrence, 18, was stabbed to death in south-east London in April 1993 by gang of white youths shouting racist abuse

It was suggested that the handling of the case by the Met was tainted by 'institutional racism.

: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2583458/Scotland-Yard-spent-two-days-shredding-lorry-load-papers-relating-inquiry-police-corruption-Stephen-Lawrence-murder-investigation.html#ixzz2wPoWK5UU

Reason No 2 for burying bad news. First Goncalo then this. No wonder Andy looks like he did on BBC.

One thing I notice is the serenity of GA. There's nothing like peace of mind. Something money can't buy, not even an enormous fund.

This wicked act of deliberately covering up widespread police corruption, back in 2003, occured on Sir John Stevens' watch.

No doubt he and other corrupt senior officers approved of this hasty act of destruction of evidence.

He was the boss.

The buck stops with him.

He should have his knighthood removed forthwith.

by AndyB 19.03.14 13:59

ultimaThule wrote:
AndyB wrote:
Okeydokey wrote:
Andrew77R wrote:The garbage about 'police seeking intruder who sexually assaulted girls between 2004-06' is on the BBC news website now.

The BBC has to operate to certain standards of truthfulness. They will need to be careful.
They certainly should operate to certain standards of truthfulness (as well as impartiality and balance) but I see no evidence of it in their coverage of the McCann case. What do they need to be careful of?
When making a comparison of what has been published in the Portuguese press and aired on Portugal's various tv channels and what has been put before the public in the UK, it can be seen that in one of these two countries, were the parents found to be complicit in crime(s) against their daughter, they may have cause to claim that they could not be fairly tried because of the content in the media's coverage of the case.

I think that's an entirely different point to the one that Okeydokey was making, which I take to be that the BBC should be careful about what they say because they are under an obligation to be truthful and, if they are not, there will be consequences. My question (which was mostly rhetorical) was to ascertain what the consequences would be if the BBC were dishonest or misleading in their coverage of Madeleine's disappearance. (The answer being none)

As to your point; are you seriously suggesting that the BBC are deliberately misleading the public over information that is already in the public domain merely to avoid prejudicing a trial that doesn't exist?

by ultimaThule 19.03.14 14:04

As I've struggled to read the print and the content is already under debate on 'Crimewatch update tonight'It seems to me that a link to the Daily Mail article on that thread would suffice, suzy, otherwise we'll have another situation where there are several threads covering what is essentially the same topic, which not only becomes confusing but also means that important points can be overlooked.