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Post by Mirage on 19.03.14 14:04

From today's Dailyn Mail:

Ministers 'blocking secret court reform': Concerns falling on deaf ears, says judge

Sir James Munby says the rule of the controversial court 'must change'

He says journalists must be allowed to attend hearings for open justice


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2583949/Ministers-blocking-secret-court-reform-Concerns-falling-deaf-ears-says-judge.html#ixzz2wPtYtnq7

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I make no apology for re-posting this from yesterday's BBC:

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John Cleese, Sir David Attenborough, JK Rowling, and Victoria Wood are among 200 performers, writers and academics calling on newspapers to agree to the Royal Charter on press regulation.

They have added their names to an advert from campaign group Hacked Off.

Its declaration says the charter, published a year ago, safeguards newspapers from political interference.

But the industry is setting up its own regulator. It says it fears the charter may allow outside control of the press.

Proposals to change the existing system of press regulation emerged following the phone-hacking affair and subsequent Leveson Inquiry into the ethics and practices of newspapers.

The Royal Charter was finally agreed by all three main political parties last October. It follows many of the recommendations of the Leveson Inquiry and proposes the Press Complaints Commission be replaced by a regulator with greater powers.

The tycoon Sir Richard Branson; actors Peter Capaldi, Michael Palin and Stephen Fry; comedians Rory Bremner and Miranda Hart; Professor Richard Dawkins; writer Salman Rushdie; film director Danny Boyle; playwrights Sir David Hare and Sir Tom Stoppard, and the former Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams are among the other signatories to the advertisement backing the charter.

'Nothing to lose'
It appears in several newspapers and magazines and says a "free press is a cornerstone of democracy.

"It has nothing to lose, and can only be enhanced, by acknowledging unethical practice in its midst and acting firmly to ensure it is not repeated."

The declaration signed by the celebrities adds that "editors and journalists will rise in public esteem when they accept a form of self-regulation that is independently audited on the lines recommended by Lord Justice Leveson.

"It is our view that this Charter safeguards the press from political interference while also giving vital protection to the vulnerable."

Hacked Off has carried out a high-profile campaign, led by actors Hugh Grant and Steve Coogan, to reform the press in the wake of the Leveson report.

The group, which says it relies on donations from supporters for its funding, has been pressing for the Royal Charter to be adopted.

Meanwhile, a new regulatory body, called the Independent Press Standards Organisation, is being set up by most of the national newspapers.

It will have similar powers of imposing fines on newspapers for breaches of a standards code to those being proposed by the Royal Charter.

'Stand with victims'


But it has been criticised by groups such as the Media Standards Trust for not being sufficiently independent of the big newspaper groups.

However, the BBC's media correspondent David Sillito says the newspapers are unlikely to agree to any oversight by the committee proposed by the Royal Charter that seeks to ensure the standards laid out in the Leveson Report.

Gerry McCann, father of missing Madeleine McCann, has been one of Hacked Off's most prominent supporters.

Mr McCann said it was "not a surprise" that so many public figures had put their names to the campaign.

He went on: "But it is very gratifying that they are prepared to stand publicly with the victims of press abuse and call on the newspapers to comply with the Royal Charter."

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Just join the dots and see what a cesspit of evil this country has become. The rich, the powerful, the famous - all organising the world along their own lines and making sure the little people are gagged.

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Post by Guest on 19.03.14 14:07

Daily Mail thread merged here.
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Post by lj on 19.03.14 14:16

@Mirage wrote:Expect to see crecheman live in the studio explaining why he was walking backwards to Christmas while holding a child in an uncomfortable position and looking for a lost blanket. On the table: a pair of child's pyjamas which Kirsty Young will hold up for the nation to see.

Old Andy will be hunkered down at HQ and Kirsty will be shooting the crap via video link about how there's always "hoop". She will then blather on about Gerry telling her off-camera that statistics show the younger the child when taken, the more chance of it turning up one day.

Meanwhile, behind old Andy's head, the inky backdrop begins to ribbon and form an image of hell freezing over.

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Post by Guest on 19.03.14 14:19

From the guardian:
Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, in charge of the hunt for Madeleine, accepted there were differences between these cases and that of Madeleine's disappearance but added that there was a possibility that Madeleine had not left her family's holiday apartment alive when she disappeared in May 2007.

Redwood said the assumption that Madeleine had been alive "may not follow with all our thinking" on the case.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/19/madeleine-mccann-police-intruder-girls-algarve

Thsi is the only significant news IMO.
It seems Redwood is taking the dog indications into account.


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Post by plebgate on 19.03.14 14:29

dantezebu wrote:From the guardian:
Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, in charge of the hunt for Madeleine, accepted there were differences between these cases and that of Madeleine's disappearance but added that there was a possibility that Madeleine had not left her family's holiday apartment alive when she disappeared in May 2007.

Redwood said the assumption that Madeleine had been alive "may not follow with all our thinking" on the case.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/19/madeleine-mccann-police-intruder-girls-algarve

Thsi is the only significant news IMO.
It seems Redwood is taking the dog indications into account.



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Post by jeanmonroe on 19.03.14 14:29

http://www.met.police.uk/madeleine-mccann-appeal/

"The Metropolitan Police Service continues to offer a reward of up to £20,000 for information leading to the identification, arrest and prosecution of the person(s) responsible for the abduction of Madeleine McCann from Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. "
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So, there again you have it, straight from the horse's mouth, TODAY, 19th March 2014..

...........leading to the identification, arrest and prosecution of the person(s) responsible for the abduction of Madeleine McCann from Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007"

RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ABDUCTION OF MADELEINE MCCANN.

"there is no EVIDENCE that Madeleine McCann was abducted" the McCann lawyer, conceded in the High Court room, under oath"

But, according to the MET, THE 'abduction' of Madeleine McCann DID take place on 3rd May 2007!

Can't BOTH be 'wrong' can they?




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Post by ultimaThule on 19.03.14 14:32

@AndyB wrote:
@ultimaThule wrote:
@AndyB wrote:
@Okeydokey wrote:
Andrew77R wrote:The garbage about 'police seeking intruder who sexually assaulted girls between 2004-06' is on the BBC news website now.

The BBC has to operate to certain standards of truthfulness. They will need to be careful.
They certainly should operate to certain standards of truthfulness (as well as impartiality and balance) but I see no evidence of it in their coverage of the McCann case. What do they need to be careful of?
When making a comparison of what has been published in the Portuguese press and aired on Portugal's various tv channels and what has been put before the public in the UK, it can be seen that in one of these two countries, were the parents found to be complicit in crime(s) against their daughter, they may have cause to claim that they could not be fairly tried because of the content in the media's coverage of the case.
I think that's an entirely different point to the one that Okeydokey was making, which I take to be that the BBC should be careful about what they say because they are under an obligation to be truthful and, if they are not, there will be consequences. My question (which was mostly rhetorical) was to ascertain what the consequences would be if the BBC were dishonest or misleading in their coverage of Madeleine's disappearance. (The answer being none)

As to your point; are you seriously suggesting that the BBC are deliberately misleading the public over information that is already in the public domain merely to avoid prejudicing a trial that doesn't exist?
In making an observation I have not made any accusation of the type you suggest, Andy.

It seems to me there is a marked difference between "information that is already in the public domain" in terms of what can be seen on the world wide web and "information that is already in the public domain" in terms of what can be seen in and on the world's MSM.

In making a comparison between what has been, and is being, reported in the UK's MSM with regard to this case and what has been and, is currently being, made available to the Portguese public by their country's MSM, I have reached a conclusion which I've put forward on this thread. 

Others may beg to differ but, as only time will tell if my assumptions are correct, I see no cause to labour the point.
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Post by Guest on 19.03.14 14:32

@jeanmonroe wrote:http://www.met.police.uk/madeleine-mccann-appeal/

"The Metropolitan Police Service continues to offer a reward of up to £20,000 for information leading to the identification, arrest and prosecution of the person(s) responsible for the abduction of Madeleine McCann from Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. "
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So, there again you have it, straight from the horse's mouth, TODAY, 19th March 2014..

...........leading to the identification, arrest and prosecution of the person(s) responsible for the abduction of Madeleine McCann from Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007"

RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ABDUCTION OF MADELEINE MCCANN.

"there is no EVIDENCE that Madeleine McCann was abducted" the McCann lawyer, conceded in the High Court room, under oath"

But, according to the MET, THE 'abduction' of Madeleine McCann DID take place on 3rd May 2007!

Can't BOTH be 'wrong' can they?


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Post by Guest on 19.03.14 14:35

dantezebu wrote:From the guardian:
Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, in charge of the hunt for Madeleine, accepted there were differences between these cases and that of Madeleine's disappearance but added that there was a possibility that Madeleine had not left her family's holiday apartment alive when she disappeared in May 2007.

Redwood said the assumption that Madeleine had been alive "may not follow with all our thinking" on the case.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/19/madeleine-mccann-police-intruder-girls-algarve

Thsi is the only significant news IMO.
It seems Redwood is taking the dog indications into account.



So what's his theory? That this serial child sex attacker killed Madeleine in the apartment and then took her with him? So we potentially have this dark-haired pervert AND Smith man wandering around PdL carrying lifeless-looking fair-haired girls fitting Madeleine's description?
What a shame the McCanns wasted so much time telling the public to look for a woman in Barcelona who resembled Posh Spice.
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Post by plebgate on 19.03.14 14:36

dantezebu wrote:From the guardian:
Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, in charge of the hunt for Madeleine, accepted there were differences between these cases and that of Madeleine's disappearance but added that there was a possibility that Madeleine had not left her family's holiday apartment alive when she disappeared in May 2007.

Redwood said the assumption that Madeleine had been alive "may not follow with all our thinking" on the case.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/19/madeleine-mccann-police-intruder-girls-algarve

Thsi is the only significant news IMO.
It seems Redwood is taking the dog indications into account.


Well it looks that way Dantezebu and he says there are differences between those cases and that of Maddies.    Having read this, I am still cautiously optimistic that  Mr. Redwood is keeping all options open.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 19.03.14 14:38

[quote="plebgate"]
dantezebu wrote:From the guardian:
Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, in charge of the hunt for Madeleine, accepted there were differences between these cases and that of Madeleine's disappearance but added that there was a possibility that Madeleine had not left her family's holiday apartment alive when she disappeared in May 2007.

Redwood said the assumption that Madeleine had been alive "may not follow with all our thinking" on the case.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/19/madeleine-mccann-police-intruder-girls-algarve

Thsi is the only significant news IMO.
It seems Redwood is taking the dog indications into account.
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YES.

DCI Redwood does seem to imply that the notoriously unreliable dogs 'alerts' may well now have been 'factored' in.

Well, they were UK dogs, after all!

NOT them 'foreign' dogs rubbish!

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Post by Guest on 19.03.14 14:43

@jeanmonroe wrote:
@plebgate wrote:
dantezebu wrote:From the guardian:
Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, in charge of the hunt for Madeleine, accepted there were differences between these cases and that of Madeleine's disappearance but added that there was a possibility that Madeleine had not left her family's holiday apartment alive when she disappeared in May 2007.

Redwood said the assumption that Madeleine had been alive "may not follow with all our thinking" on the case.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/19/madeleine-mccann-police-intruder-girls-algarve

Thsi is the only significant news IMO.
It seems Redwood is taking the dog indications into account.
---------------------------------------------------

YES.

DCI Redwood does seem to imply that the notoriously unreliable dogs 'alerts' may well now have been 'factored' in.

Well, they were UK dogs, after all!

NOT them 'foreign' dogs rubbish!

If his basis for saying this IS the dog indications.
Then he must also take account of the other sites indicated, clothes, cc and car.

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Post by AndyB on 19.03.14 14:44

dantezebu wrote:From the guardian:
Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, in charge of the hunt for Madeleine, accepted there were differences between these cases and that of Madeleine's disappearance but added that there was a possibility that Madeleine had not left her family's holiday apartment alive when she disappeared in May 2007.

Redwood said the assumption that Madeleine had been alive "may not follow with all our thinking" on the case.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/19/madeleine-mccann-police-intruder-girls-algarve

Thsi is the only significant news IMO.
It seems Redwood is taking the dog indications into account.

Thank you for pointing this out dantezebu. In my anger I had failed to digest the Guardian article properly when I first read it. Obviously I hope you're right and they're moving away from the ridiculous abduction theory. Unfortunately the cynic in me thinks that, even if you are right, its a precursor to setting up mysteron/target man as the one that caused Madeleine's death

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Post by Watching The Detectives on 19.03.14 14:46

......and the refuse collection lorry...as the getaway vehicle.......

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Post by aiyoyo on 19.03.14 14:47

@tasprin wrote:Apparently he was a swarthy foreigner with a bad odour who targeted white British children


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New appeal following the disappearance of Madeleine McCann

[b]English    Nederlands    Deutsche   Português



Witnesses describe the man as having dark (as in tanned) skin with short dark unkempt hair. He spoke in English with a foreign accent, his voice was described as slow, or possibly slurred. He was sometimes bare chested, some describe him as having a pot belly, and three victims said that he had a noticeable odour.

On two occasions in Vale de Parra and Praia da Gale he was wearing a distinctive burgundy long sleeve top, on one of those occasions it was described as having a white circle on the back.

Since he targeted only British why appeal in UK, Netherlands and Germany ?
Does Redwood expect this swarthy garlic smelling creature to be found in the countries of appeal ?
Since he roamed freely in PDL and vicinities in Portugal would it not be logical to appeal in Portugal?



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Post by ultimaThule on 19.03.14 14:47

@plebgate wrote:
dantezebu wrote:From the guardian:
Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, in charge of the hunt for Madeleine, accepted there were differences between these cases and that of Madeleine's disappearance but added that there was a possibility that Madeleine had not left her family's holiday apartment alive when she disappeared in May 2007.

Redwood said the assumption that Madeleine had been alive "may not follow with all our thinking" on the case.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/19/madeleine-mccann-police-intruder-girls-algarve

Thsi is the only significant news IMO.
It seems Redwood is taking the dog indications into account.


Well it looks that way Dantezebu and he says there are differences between those cases and that of Maddies.    Having read this, I am still cautiously optimistic that  Mr. Redwood is keeping all options open.
In a murder investigation which has placed a burden of some £6million+ to date on the hard-pressed UK economy, I would expect Redwood to take everything into account, including exhibit KH1, the rog statements, the pact, the couple's various performances on the world's stage, the indications made by the dogs, and the drains beneath the kitchen sink.   yes
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Post by tasprin on 19.03.14 14:51

dantezebu wrote:From the guardian:
Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, in charge of the hunt for Madeleine, accepted there were differences between these cases and that of Madeleine's disappearance but added that there was a possibility that Madeleine had not left her family's holiday apartment alive when she disappeared in May 2007.

Redwood said the assumption that Madeleine had been alive "may not follow with all our thinking" on the case.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/19/madeleine-mccann-police-intruder-girls-algarve

Thsi is the only significant news IMO.
It seems Redwood is taking the dog indications into account.


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Post by Bishop Brennan on 19.03.14 14:52

dantezebu wrote:

If his basis for saying this IS the dog indications.
Then he must also take account of the other sites indicated, clothes, cc and car.


I'm not sure. Given his current new top suspect, he's no doubt going on a theory of sexual assault followed by murder followed by removing and disposing of the body. Quite when all this happened is unclear, and how he left no trace or DNA of himself is also left unsaid. But there is no way he can allow the dogs to be brought into this or else he is back with the PJ conclusion. The dogs barking at Kate's clothes and the car makes it just impossible to point at anyone else.
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Post by jeanmonroe on 19.03.14 14:52

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In 2008 Isabel assisted Partner Adam Tudor in representing Kate and Gerry McCann in bringing libel complaints following a sustained media campaign of false allegations concerning the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine.

My bolding.

In her Affidavit, Ms Martorell had said on oath that "Madeleine was abducted" She conceded that she had been told that but didn't know whether of not that was TRUE Her information came from her clients.

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Post by plebgate on 19.03.14 14:55

and if he is Keeping Calm and (possibly) taking the World Renowned Dogs into account, then Mr. Lee Rainbow's statement must also be taken into account?

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Post by Tony Bennett on 19.03.14 14:56

dantezebu wrote:From the guardian:

Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, in charge of the hunt for Madeleine, accepted there were differences between these cases and that of Madeleine's disappearance but added that there was a possibility that Madeleine had not left her family's holiday apartment alive when she disappeared in May 2007.

Redwood said the assumption that Madeleine had been alive "may not follow with all our thinking" on the case.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/19/madeleine-mccann-police-intruder-girls-algarve

Thsi is the only significant news IMO.
It seems Redwood is taking the dog indications into account.
The McCanns cannot waver from Gerry having seen Madeliene alive and 'in the recovery position' at about 9.09pm on Thursday 3 May.

If she was taken 'dead' from the apartment, it must have been between about 9.09pm and 10.00pm, the time Kate says she entered the apartment and found Madeleine missing.

I suppose Redwood could claim that that the detectable cadaverine odour could have developed in the very short time space of 51 minutes, to account for both Eddie & Keela having alerted to blood and cadaver odour behind the sofa in the living-room. But he would then have to go on and explain 10 other 'alerts' by Eddie & Keela, 3 more in the apartment, 3 on the clothes, 3 connected with the hired car, and one on Cuddle Cat.

The other possibility of the meaning of the 'possibility that Madeleine had not left her family's holiday apartment alive' could of course mean that Redwood thinks she was dead before Gerry's check at 9.05pm to 9.10pm.

To say the very least, this would seriously conflict with the account of events given by the McCanns and ther Tapas 7 friends.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 19.03.14 14:56

@Watching The Detectives wrote:......and the refuse collection lorry...as the getaway vehicle.......

So NOT a TRACTOR then?

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Post by ultimaThule on 19.03.14 14:57

@Watching The Detectives wrote:......and the refuse collection lorry...as the getaway vehicle.......
It's a welcome addition to the tractor, the white van, and the motorbike, WtD, as it raises the possibility of this particular convoy having been spotted on its return journey to the hellish lairs in the hills around Luz.    yawn
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Post by plebgate on 19.03.14 15:02

The Pink one is speaking on BBC news 24 in a few minutes.

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Post by tasprin on 19.03.14 15:08

DCI Redwood has discounted Tannerman and the 9.15 timeline. The focus is on the time between 9.40 - 10 pm. SY are still looking for Smithman and now they think there is a possibility Madeleine did not leave the apartment alive:

'there was a possibility that Madeleine had not left her family's holiday apartment alive when she disappeared in May 2007.

Redwood said the assumption that Madeleine had been alive "may not follow with all our thinking" on the case'

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